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They should be able to slug their way to West title. Anaheim has failed miserably this off season, Seattle is probably a decade away from contending. The only way the lose the West is if the A's arms click on all cylinders next year.
Jambi said:
Might want to do that math problem over again. Lee supposedly has a 5/120 contract with a 27.5m option for 2016 with the Phillies, a possible total of 6/147NY reportedly offered 7/160. While he may have left quite a few millions on the table, I have no idea where you're getting that he signed for 75m less.
FTR, Lee's deal is this:2011 - $11 million2012 - $21.5 million2013 - $25 million2014 - $25 million2015 - $25 million2016 - $27.5 million if option picked up or $12.5 million buyout.So the max value of the contract is 6/135, with a guarantee of $120 million.Jambi said:Might want to do that math problem over again. Lee supposedly has a 5/120 contract with a 27.5m option for 2016 with the Phillies, a possible total of 6/147NY reportedly offered 7/160. While he may have left quite a few millions on the table, I have no idea where you're getting that he signed for 75m less.
And as per the crawl on MLBN, Heyman wrote the Yanks offer was 6/132m guaranteed, 7th year option around 17m, bringing the total close to 150m. Not that big of a disparity as everyone wants to believe.FTR, Lee's deal is this:2011 - $11 million2012 - $21.5 million2013 - $25 million2014 - $25 million2015 - $25 million2016 - $27.5 million if option picked up or $12.5 million buyout.So the max value of the contract is 6/135, with a guarantee of $120 million.Jambi said:Might want to do that math problem over again. Lee supposedly has a 5/120 contract with a 27.5m option for 2016 with the Phillies, a possible total of 6/147NY reportedly offered 7/160. While he may have left quite a few millions on the table, I have no idea where you're getting that he signed for 75m less.
Until the Rangers1) Establish themsilves as consistent winners2) show that they can maintain a Top 5-10 payroll over time.that they will seldom even be in these battles for a Cliff Lee, much less win them. If a player can both make his money and has a real chance at winning, then all of a sudden those silly sunday afternoon starts in the Texas heat won't be the problem it is when are a historically bad franchise that has only occassionally spent money.Doctor Detroit said:
Does it really matter. Lets be real. If Cliff Lee never played again after 2010 he would retire a wealthy millionaire. 100 million, 120 million on top of what he has already made, does it really matter?FTR, Lee's deal is this:2011 - $11 million2012 - $21.5 million2013 - $25 million2014 - $25 million2015 - $25 million2016 - $27.5 million if option picked up or $12.5 million buyout.So the max value of the contract is 6/135, with a guarantee of $120 million.Jambi said:Might want to do that math problem over again. Lee supposedly has a 5/120 contract with a 27.5m option for 2016 with the Phillies, a possible total of 6/147NY reportedly offered 7/160. While he may have left quite a few millions on the table, I have no idea where you're getting that he signed for 75m less.
your point still stands, just wanted to get that out there.And as per the crawl on MLBN, Heyman wrote the Yanks offer was 6/132m guaranteed, 7th year option around 17m, bringing the total close to 150m. Not that big of a disparity as everyone wants to believe.FTR, Lee's deal is this:2011 - $11 million2012 - $21.5 million2013 - $25 million2014 - $25 million2015 - $25 million2016 - $27.5 million if option picked up or $12.5 million buyout.So the max value of the contract is 6/135, with a guarantee of $120 million.Jambi said:Might want to do that math problem over again. Lee supposedly has a 5/120 contract with a 27.5m option for 2016 with the Phillies, a possible total of 6/147NY reportedly offered 7/160. While he may have left quite a few millions on the table, I have no idea where you're getting that he signed for 75m less.
This structure matters a lot for the Phillies payroll.Does it really matter. Lets be real. If Cliff Lee never played again after 2010 he would retire a wealthy millionaire. 100 million, 120 million on top of what he has already made, does it really matter?FTR, Lee's deal is this:2011 - $11 million2012 - $21.5 million2013 - $25 million2014 - $25 million2015 - $25 million2016 - $27.5 million if option picked up or $12.5 million buyout.So the max value of the contract is 6/135, with a guarantee of $120 million.Jambi said:
It's twenty million dollars. That's a lot of money, even if you already have a bankroll of $100 million. People who aren't millionaires can easily sit here and say, eh what's a few million here or there...but the reality is that most of these guys weren't born millionaires. A million bucks is a ton of money, no matter how you look at it.Does it really matter. Lets be real. If Cliff Lee never played again after 2010 he would retire a wealthy millionaire. 100 million, 120 million on top of what he has already made, does it really matter?FTR, Lee's deal is this:2011 - $11 million2012 - $21.5 million2013 - $25 million2014 - $25 million2015 - $25 million2016 - $27.5 million if option picked up or $12.5 million buyout.So the max value of the contract is 6/135, with a guarantee of $120 million.Jambi said:
It's happening.
Gotta admit that he would have made my week if he came out in a press conference and announced his Phillie signing and then when asked why he turns down the other contracts he talked nothing but good thing about Texas and the organization and then he says that he didn't sign with the Yankees because their fans are scumbags for spitting on his wife. Something like: "I would have signed with the Yankees but their fans are classless pieces of feces. Spit on my wife? Fine! I just spit right back at you"It would have been funnyRaider Nation said:
Wouldn't be surprised. Love what they've assembled.
cliff always goes thru a rough patch every year. its because if his control is slightly off he doesnt have the stuff to compensate. hell be fine. the reason for his lack of wins is mostly due to the phillies offense and now perhaps its been mental.Good decision, Cliffy!
Weird bump.Greinke was pretty bad last year. Not as bad as Lee has been this year, but Greinke is not as good this year as Lee was last year.It's certainly not a case where one guy is clearly better than the other.
I agree that you can't say one guy is clearly better than the other and I'm certainly not going to sit here and say I was right...but saying Greinke was "pretty bad" last year is just not true. He had an inflated ERA due to some bad luck, but he led ML starters in K/9 and had a 1.20 WHIP for the season.Weird bump.Greinke was pretty bad last year. Not as bad as Lee has been this year, but Greinke is not as good this year as Lee was last year.It's certainly not a case where one guy is clearly better than the other.
Yea, he wasn't bad. Just an exaggeration on my part.As a comparison, Cliff Lee has a 1.2 WHIP this year and a 9.0 K/9 and an inflated ERA as wellI agree that you can't say one guy is clearly better than the other and I'm certainly not going to sit here and say I was right...but saying Greinke was "pretty bad" last year is just not true. He had an inflated ERA due to some bad luck, but he led ML starters in K/9 and had a 1.20 WHIP for the season.Weird bump.Greinke was pretty bad last year. Not as bad as Lee has been this year, but Greinke is not as good this year as Lee was last year.It's certainly not a case where one guy is clearly better than the other.
I just think it's hilarious that the guy has as many wins this season as I do.Granted, he's making a lot more money than me despite our comparable win totals.Weird bump.
