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CNN now calling burning cities mostly peaceful protests (1 Viewer)
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Hold up...
Isn’t Trump’s biggest battle cry right now that “we” aren’t safe unless he’s POTUS?
Just spitballing here but hasn’t all of this unrest and violence recently been on his watch?
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
So now the peaceful protesters are targeting individuals and endangering families in their homes. I am glad none of our local posters in here are having their houses targeted with arson so they can proclaim how peaceful their city is. The police chief and everyone with two eyes would disagree with that assessment, but whatever.
I was showing a claim that nobody on the left is blaming Trump false. Of course, tons and tons of people on the left from you to Biden are blaming Trump, so thank you for illustrating it.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Huh.
It's almost like someone is misrepresenting the extend of the troublemakers to incite his followers to violence.
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Possum
Footballguy
Huh - I guess if your apartment building or business gets set on fire and only one fire engine has to respond, it's like it never even happened.
the political misrepresentation on both sides is ridiculous.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah -- I hadn't seen the 'mayor's building' story when I posted that. And I suspect the quote above was before that event too.
Possum
Footballguy
I hear ya man, no worries - wasn't trying to call you out or anything. Trump distorts the truth all the time, no doubt about that. I'm just frustrated as a liberal who's growing increasingly disillusioned with the stuff I'm seeing from the left on a lot of issues these days.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Trump has been trying to stop the peaceful protests that result in looting, destruction, injury, and death for months. The left thought the riots would divide the races and classes further and provided backing. Now that the polls show that Americans don’t actually want their cities destroyed as part of a political game (can’t believe that was ever a strategy) now the left is going to try to flip the script. I hope people are smart enough to see what is happening.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think most people are smart enough to know the left wasn't doing as you claim here...
Yes...Trump was trying to stop peaceful protests...that right there should be a red flag but some find him trying to limit the constitutional rights of Americans to be a good thing...I don't.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Your idea and my idea of peaceful protests are very different. My peaceful protests don’t include burning buildings, mass looting, injuries and murder. Trump has not spoken out about any actual peaceful protests.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Yes, that is bad. You know what else is bad, is Democrat mayors and governors not charging cops for the crimes they are committing, and sending them in to crush protesters in their cities. Even our handsome sweetie governor that liberals love to swoon over sent in the national guard to destroy protests.
I think it stands to reason that many of them would have ended a long time ago if the cops were charged like the rest of us would be. The brutality is as much a state response as it is federal. Dems and Republicans are pretending that there is a major difference between them on this issue, but they are really the same when push comes to shove.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im going off of what you stated...you stated he tried to stop peaceful protest. I also don't include buring things, lootings, injuries, or murder in peaceful protest. So if you meant other things...you should not have claimed he was trying to stop peaceful protest...whether they lead to the other things is up for debate.
And yes...he actually has spoken out about those and cleared out peaceful protestors with some form of tear gas so he could take a picture with a bible.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...mayors and governors don't charge people with crimes. So I would also be upset if they were exceeding their power to do so
I also agree that its bad that cops who have committed crimes have not been charged and have largely been protected in the system (to claim that is all on Democrats is where we get off the rails big time). Sending in state guard is fine...I would agree some of these Governors could be doing a lot more.
There's a well-known experiment in which two groups of people were shown video footage of a protest and asked whether the protesters had a peaceful or a violent intent. The first group was told that the footage was of a pro-life, anti-abortion protest. The conservatives in the group generally thought the protesters had a peaceful intent, while the liberals generally thought they had a violent intent. The second group, shown the exact same video, was told that the footage was of a protest by activists for gay rights. The conservatives in the group generally thought the protesters had a violent intent while the liberals generally thought they had a peaceful intent.
The people in the experiment weren't trying to be biased. Human brains always perceive things in ways that are influenced by preconceptions, life experience, cultural background, etc. It's inevitable. Some people are better at putting those things aside than others, but nobody's perfect at it, and most people aren't very good at all.
Have the BLM protests been mostly peaceful? I don't know. The one I saw up close was 100% peaceful, but there has been some rioting, looting, and other violence associated with others. This is an example of where it'd be nice if journalists were more evenly balanced in their political views instead of about 95% leaning left versus 5% leaning right. The journalists saying "mostly peaceful" aren't trying to be biased, and they're not necessarily wrong, but their observations are hard to rely on because they're necessarily colored by their preconceptions.
I don't know what to do about this. It'd be nice to have more conservative reporters and editors. It'd be nice to have more liberal oil executives and farmers. It'd be nice to have more male nurses and more female scientists. But people are free to go into whatever fields attract them, and different personality types (sometimes correlated with gender or political views) are drawn to different jobs. So it appears that we're stuck with a largely left-leaning media.
It's hard for us to detect bias in people who share the same biases that we have. So liberals will consume mainstream media and wonder what all the fuss is about. No detectable bias there! It's not that liberals are incapable of detecting bias -- show them some Fox News and they'll detect it instantly. But it's very hard for liberals to detect liberal bias, even though such bias is very obvious to conservatives.
Are the protests mostly peaceful? I don't know. The fact that most media sources seem to agree with each other, though, isn't great evidence that the reporting is accurate. The obvious competing explanation for their general agreement is that most media sources share the same biases as each other. Which is unfortunate.
The people in the experiment weren't trying to be biased. Human brains always perceive things in ways that are influenced by preconceptions, life experience, cultural background, etc. It's inevitable. Some people are better at putting those things aside than others, but nobody's perfect at it, and most people aren't very good at all.
Have the BLM protests been mostly peaceful? I don't know. The one I saw up close was 100% peaceful, but there has been some rioting, looting, and other violence associated with others. This is an example of where it'd be nice if journalists were more evenly balanced in their political views instead of about 95% leaning left versus 5% leaning right. The journalists saying "mostly peaceful" aren't trying to be biased, and they're not necessarily wrong, but their observations are hard to rely on because they're necessarily colored by their preconceptions.
I don't know what to do about this. It'd be nice to have more conservative reporters and editors. It'd be nice to have more liberal oil executives and farmers. It'd be nice to have more male nurses and more female scientists. But people are free to go into whatever fields attract them, and different personality types (sometimes correlated with gender or political views) are drawn to different jobs. So it appears that we're stuck with a largely left-leaning media.
It's hard for us to detect bias in people who share the same biases that we have. So liberals will consume mainstream media and wonder what all the fuss is about. No detectable bias there! It's not that liberals are incapable of detecting bias -- show them some Fox News and they'll detect it instantly. But it's very hard for liberals to detect liberal bias, even though such bias is very obvious to conservatives.
Are the protests mostly peaceful? I don't know. The fact that most media sources seem to agree with each other, though, isn't great evidence that the reporting is accurate. The obvious competing explanation for their general agreement is that most media sources share the same biases as each other. Which is unfortunate.
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Quint
Footballguy
i think the protests are mostly peaceful. and most of the peaceful protests take place during the daylight hours (with a few recent exceptions of people harassing diners in outdoor settings).
once the sun goes down, and the clock winds toward the small hours, that's when things turn violent - i consider vandalism, arson, assault, battery all examples of violence, ymmv - and that's when the situation goes from "protest" to [insert whatever verbiage describes people who are participating in violent acts].
and this not new to the recent events: it's been going down like this for years. i find it fascinating that nobody in the media shares this opinion, at least publicly.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
The damage has been done to downtown business and housing in ways aerial views could never show.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Compared to a lot of other places and protests this wasnt anywhere near as bad. Everybody was pretty ready for it. I live in a city right next to tosa and used to live and work in tosa.Widbil83 said:
I am laughing at all the of the people that are mad on nextdoor and facebook that the peaceful protesters aren't getting enough recognition for being peaceful. This is like complaining that the media only shows the car accidents and doesnt show all of the people that didnt get in car accidents.
Going to a protest and not destroying stuff or beating people up isn't praiseworthy. It is what you are supposed to do.
bagger
Footballguy
Sounds like we need a president who can establish law and order compared to what we have now.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
My co-worker's wife and daughter went to the protest in Tosa last night, although I think they went early before the 7:00 curfew. They said it was nice, took a picture with one of the national guard guys. I live on the west side of MKE near the Tosa border. Rode my bike home from downtown after work approx. 7:30 and didn't see anything. I think some teenagers got a bit unruly later and broke a few windows. The worst part for me is that my son's volleyball game was cancelled and he had to stay home today as his entire school went virtual through the end of the week. Its odd because his school is in Milwaukee on 35th, miles from Wauwatosa.
The President is not in charge of establishing law and order at the local or state. level. That is why we have state police and local police who have jurisdiction over the area and are empowered to enforce those laws. It is kind of basics civics here, and is sad they need to be explained.
General Malaise
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Trump fanbois busted trying to assassinate the Michigan Gov. Wow.....almost as bad as a broken window.
spodog
Footballguy
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Ok, I'm sure you live in Portland and know better than those that do. How's my weather here today?
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Horrible, my niece lives about 10 miles outside the downtown Portland area and she is a young hipster type. Even she won`t go near there anymore.