Co MVP? (1 Viewer)

[Carolina Hustler]

Okay, you win. The OPOY voting wasn't even close either. Brees won, in a landslide. That doesn't change the fact that Brees never had a shot at winning the MVP.

You haven't proven that Brees never had a shot.. Actually, you said Brees won a consolation prize.. History shows that the OPOY isn't a consolation prize.. But for some reason you think the voters made special consideration for him this year.. Why would they do that if it wasn't close.. Close enough for the voters to bend the meaning of a different award just to get Brees a consolation prize based on your previous posts..

History shows several times the OPOY was a consolation prize is the point.48-2 is not close...no amount of your spin about a different award will change that.

History shows that it is not a consolation prize. You have failed to even make an argument to ttry to prove that point. You have made a claim and have backed it up with nothing.

So the history of it going to someone other than the MVP does not show it has been used in a way as a consolation prize? But to support your claim that the MVP was close you brought up the voting on a completely different award? Hilarious.

No, I used the OPOY to show you that you don't agree with the voters. But then you make the claim that the OPOY isn't actually an award but a consolation prize. And nothing to substantiate that claim..So, from there, you just keep talking in circles.. No need to discuss it further..

 

[Bayhawks]

No need to discuss it further..

Interesting. Rather than discuss this point:

What I have said is that Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

You want to end this discussion.I wonder why that is?

 

[sho nuff]

No, I used the OPOY to show you that you don't agree with the voters. But then you make the claim that the OPOY isn't actually an award but a consolation prize. And nothing to substantiate that claim..So, from there, you just keep talking in circles.. No need to discuss it further..

You are a funny guy.

 

[sho nuff]

No need to discuss it further..

Interesting. Rather than discuss this point:

What I have said is that Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

You want to end this discussion.I wonder why that is?

Because he knows the Offensive Player of the Year award is a red herring he threw in there to try and save face about saying the MVP was close when the voting shows otherwise.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No need to discuss it further..

Interesting. Rather than discuss this point:

What I have said is that Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

You want to end this discussion.I wonder why that is?

Are you feeling left out Bayhawk? You want me to respond to your post? OK buddy, here I am, what would you like to discuss?You said the OPOY was a consolation prize.. That's been proven false.You said Rodgers was the better offensive player.. Voters disagree..You say Brees didn't even have a chance for the MVP.. I say based on what? You say the voters.. But you don't agree with the voters unless either you can change the titled meaning of other awards, or the voters acknowledgment only applies to your award..Why discuss it further?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No need to discuss it further..

Interesting. Rather than discuss this point:

What I have said is that Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

You want to end this discussion.I wonder why that is?

Because he knows the Offensive Player of the Year award is a red herring he threw in there to try and save face about saying the MVP was close when the voting shows otherwise.

You have not successfully answered any of my questions or proved your own claims.. You haven't even made an attempt.. I've explained several times why the OPOY award was brought up.. You ignore those points and now attack the motive of the discussion, rather than the discussion points.. Nice evasion job..

 

[Sabertooth]

No need to discuss it further..

Interesting. Rather than discuss this point:

What I have said is that Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

You want to end this discussion.I wonder why that is?

Because he knows the Offensive Player of the Year award is a red herring he threw in there to try and save face about saying the MVP was close when the voting shows otherwise.

You have not successfully answered any of my questions or proved your own claims.. You haven't even made an attempt.. I've explained several times why the OPOY award was brought up.. You ignore those points and now attack the motive of the discussion, rather than the discussion points.. Nice evasion job..

You are still here?

 

[Bayhawks]

No need to discuss it further..

Interesting. Rather than discuss this point:

What I have said is that Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

You want to end this discussion.I wonder why that is?

Are you feeling left out Bayhawk? You want me to respond to your post? OK buddy, here I am, what would you like to discuss?

You said the OPOY was a consolation prize.. That's been proven false.

You said Rodgers was the better offensive player.. Voters disagree..

You say Brees didn't even have a chance for the MVP.. I say based on what? You say the voters.. But you don't agree with the voters unless either you can change the titled meaning of other awards, or the voters acknowledgment only applies to your award..

Why discuss it further?

Here's why:1-You keep posting that I (and others) are using the voters as evidence that Brees wasn't considered for the MVP award, but discounting these same voters vote in the OPOY award by saying the OPOY is a consolation prize (despite the fact that this thread & discussion is about the MVP award )

2-You have insisted that I've said that Rodgers was the better offensive player, which means I disagree with the voters, and shouldn't be able to use the huge landslide MVP vote for Rodgers as support for my argument that there really wasn't significant discussion about Brees as MVP.

Point 1: The only time I ever refered to the OPOY as a "consolation prize" was in response to your first assertion that I called it that, in post #410:

Your assertion (and bayhawks, and Sabertooths) was that the OPOY award was a consolation prize....

I never said the OPOY is a consolation prize, and you are taken what was posted by others out of context. It has been suggested that in some cases (this year being one), the OPOY is given to a player who had a MVP-type year but wasn't going to win the MVP, as a consolation prize. No one (that I've read) suggested that EVERY YEAR, it's a consolation prize......That is EXACTLY what happened this year: Brees did something spectacular by setting the all-time single-season passing mark, but he was not as valuable to his team as Rodgers; which is evidenced by his responsibility for 2 of the Saints' losses, while Rodgers was not responsible for the sole GB loss. In another year, if Rodgers hadn't had a better year, Brees would have been the MVP, despite costing his team 2 losses. In this year, however, he wasn't the MVP, so the got the "consolation prize" of the OPOY.

The only reason I used the term consolation prize (in quotation marks) is because YOU claimed that I had referred to it as such previously; I was quoting you. I hadn't referred to it as such; in fact, in that same post, I clearly stated that Brees had done something spectacular, and that's why he received the OPOY, but that he wasn't the MVP.Point 2-I didn't say Rodgers was the better offensive player, in fact in post #354 I said the opposite:

So seeing that Brees won the offensive player of the year award, voted on by the very same people with a vote total of 43-7, Brees is clearly the better offensive player right?

Yes, according to the voters, and Rodgers is clearly the MVP. What's your point?

So, I'll re-post my point (AGAIN), and ask you to ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT, rather than make stuff up to avoid it (AGAIN):Brees had a spectacular offensive season, so he was voted the OPOY. However, his play cost his team 2 wins (which kept them from getting HFA), while Rodgers' play didn't cost his team a single win. Therefore, Rodgers was more valuable, and voted the MVP. The landslide MVP vote shows that Brees wasn't even close to winning the award.

What part of that is not true? What part of that is not accurate?

 

[sho nuff]

You have not successfully answered any of my questions or proved your own claims.. You haven't even made an attempt.. I've explained several times why the OPOY award was brought up.. You ignore those points and now attack the motive of the discussion, rather than the discussion points.. Nice evasion job..

48-2 is not close.The rest of your talk is spin...whether I agree that Brees was the better offensive player. I have stated what I think of that award...which is irrelevant to the MVP award.You brought it up because you can't defend a claim that the MVP would be close...it wasn't.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sho, all of your good posts are tainted by the simple fact that you don't have a radar. He's been trolling you for a couple pages now.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Have any of you people considered the possibility that you're all a bunch of #######?

NOBODY CARES ANYMORE. GET OVER IT.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Have any of you people considered the possibility that you're all a bunch of #######?NOBODY CARES ANYMORE. GET OVER IT.

Carolina Hustler is the only one that still cares because he has to save face. Other than that, even Honey Badger doesn't care anymore.