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Collie owners, what's your plan? (1 Viewer)

Clifford

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I know he almost had a td last week but Indy is not running 3-wide sets as much and are keeping more blockers on the field to keep Collins from getting killed.

I am holding now but if this week is as bad as last week, I'm thinking he's droppable.

What are you doing with this guy? Can Indy turn it around enough to the point where the 3-wide set becomes more common? Does he have a shot of surpassing Garcon?

 
'Clifford said:
I am holding now but if this week is as bad as last week, I'm thinking he's droppable.
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This. He needs to show me something this week. Last thing I want to do is hold onto him too long and miss out on a waiver wire WR that may better help my team this season. It's bad enough Manning isn't the QB but combine that with the 2 WR sets they are using and that spells trouble for us Collie owners.
 
Only hope for Collie is Manning, IMO. I'm holding till there is definitely someone who I can start on the WW(since I drafted Collie as a WR2), or the Colts don't look like they have a chance at playoffs, or Manning is ruled done for the year. Whichever happens first. I got Santana Moss late who I'm starting in his place. If you don't have a comparable replacement, I'd drop him now.

 
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The audible says drop his ###. I'm holding on the shred of hope I have that his talent and work ethic will shine through or Peyton comes back faster then expected. His upside is so high I hate to outright let him go when I could get rid of a few low ceiling guys, but if I find the right WW guy for my roster then his ### is history.

 
I dropped Mike Williams (SEA) to keep him, but IMO we can not count on Manning coming back. I can't see the Colts being much better than 3 wins by the the earliest he could come back. Why on earth would they risk their franchise to have an outside chance at a wild card bid?

The only way that Collie holds value this season is Indy switches back to the 3-wide as a base formation, or he replaces Garcon as WR2. I think both are possible but unlikely. I have zero optimism that Peyton comes back this season.

 
'Clifford said:
I dropped Mike Williams (SEA) to keep him, but IMO we can not count on Manning coming back. I can't see the Colts being much better than 3 wins by the the earliest he could come back. Why on earth would they risk their franchise to have an outside chance at a wild card bid?

The only way that Collie holds value this season is Indy switches back to the 3-wide as a base formation, or he replaces Garcon as WR2. I think both are possible but unlikely. I have zero optimism that Peyton comes back this season.
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My thought as well. I just feel that Collie is more talented than Garcon. The cream should rise to the top, but for some reason I'm not confident it will. Am I missing something with Garcon? I see a guy that good speed, below average size, and below average fundamentals.
 
I had every intention to hold onto him, but when someone in one league dropped Colston, I figured I'd rather have a reliable WR2 who's injured for four weeks rather than a WR3 who may disappear for several weeks at a time this season.

However I still have Collie in another league and plan on seeing how many 3 receiver sets the Colts run this Sunday. If it's extremely apparent that he won't be seeing the field as much as last year, the obvious move is to drop him.

 
I'm hoping that the Colts being behind more often than not will dictate more 3 wide sets. However, he's probably next on my list of guys to drop if something interesting pops up on the waiver wire.

 
I'm holding him for a few more weeks and seeing if does anything and seeing if there is any new news on Manning possibly coming back.

 
I think you have to hold onto him for 1-2 more weeks. You can't judge someone you picked up in the mid rounds of a draft on one game. Yes their are special circumstances here but we all know that Collie has talent. It's just his talent not fitting into the way the new offense is run. I'm personally giving it two more games and then holding him until someone hot is available on waivers. He's my 4th WR and I can afford the roster spot until the bye weeks.

 
I dropped him yesterday and picked up Henderson. Nobody has picked him up yet, and I don't think anyone will this week.

 
One thing I'd add here...

Keeping more blockers in didn't really help Collins or the entire offense. It's possible IND says 'let's get back to the formations we've been successful in and see where that takes us'.

Will this happen? Don't know, but I think basing how IND will scheme based on what happened in Week 1 when they were down 34-0 at halftime is faulty logic.

 
I only like to draft high risk players like Collie (or players I perceive as high risk) in leagues with deep benches- I plan to hold him for at least 4 weeks, without sign of improvement by then I will be looking at other alternatives.

 
I think you have to hold him for a few more weeks. You need to give Collins some time. I'm guessing they limited his progressions on pass plays to keep it simple. Also, let's not forget this guy is very talented and Manning isn't the only reason he did well when healthy last year. Plus, there's always the outside chance he passes Garcon on the depth chart.

 
There's probably a decent chance Garcon or Wayne get nicked up and he gets a start or two. Injuries do happen. They're not going to get down 34-0 every game either. I guess what I'm trying to say is there'll be couple times when he gets 100 and a score, but likely more when he gets 40 and the two Indy TDs go to Wayne and the RB. If you have the roster spot to stash him he has a higher ceiling than most, (good luck figuring out when we'll see it sans Peyton) but unlike last year his floor is root cellar low.

 
I just cut bait on him, drafted him as my WR3 so it stings a bit but oh well. I just don't think I'll ever start him, and, in fact - would love to see him in an opponent's starting lineup at this point. Even if Collins gets up to speed and the offense starts to show some semblance of legitimacy, I still don't see him being a solid/consistent play. This early in the season there's plenty of waiver wire guys in almost every league that offer more upside IMO.

 
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Holding Collie until there is a really good waiver wire pickup, or if bye weeks force me to pick someone up. Gives me at least a few more weeks to see if Indy can get it together.

Have him and Nate Burleson as my #3/#4 WRs behind Andre Johnson and Kenny Britt, and I think Burleson will be sufficient to hold me over.

 
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Agreed. I have Nicks and Britt as 1/2, with AJ Green for bye weeks/injuries so it really depends on your individual situation. Many drafted him as a #2 WR and considering his injury history and Peyton's issues I don't understand why other than seeing #1 value as a #2.

Like Britt for me, he was/is a risk reward and I say hang tough if you've got the room on the bench.

 
It's not like the guy would be a baller no matter what team he went to. He was a product of Peyton and fit in very well with what they do. Gotta have an accurate passer for him to be as effective as he was last season for the first however many games.

 
Holding, Wayne will be tripled teamed soon, Clark has to stay in and block, Garcon isn't that good IMO... they'll try to get it to him at some point.

But if there 2 or 3 more weeks of single digit scores (PPR) I'm cutting bait.

But I agree with the one poster, the run heavy thing just isn't going to work... they may just go back to what work with Manning and tell Kerry to get it out fast.

 
'Frankbot said:
I just cut bait on him, drafted him as my WR3 so it stings a bit but oh well. I just don't think I'll ever start him, and, in fact - would love to see him in an opponent's starting lineup at this point. Even if Collins gets up to speed and the offense starts to show some semblance of legitimacy, I still don't see him being a solid/consistent play. This early in the season there's plenty of waiver wire guys in almost every league that offer more upside IMO.
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What guys are available in almost every league that have more upside in your opinion? This seems to be the magic question as most here are trying to decide who he is worth dumping for.Henderson, Moore, Decker, any Bill's WR not named Johnson. That is about all I have seen in most deeper leagues out there including the few I am in. Do you think any of these guys offer up the upside you are talking about?

I am a Collie fan and drafted him little later than usual because of the QB issues. The belief that I have finally comes to terms with that many have already stated here, is that he will never be able to put up what he did last year without Manning and/or with Collins at the helm. Even if they came out with 3wr sets regularly, does anyone truly believe he can pick up where he left off and be "that" guy again? As much as I would like to say yes, the cards are majorly stacked against him and I just can't see that happening. I can however see him having some solid games along the way but that is NOT the reason I drafted him where I did. IMO he wont even come close to what he did even if he pushing Garcon for the starting spot, which is highly unlikely. I did drop him but can't say I am happy about it.

 
It has been one week. Relax. Collie is an obvious hold. You drafted him based off his upside, you have to give it a little time. Making any kind of change at this point is just throwing your draft pick away.

 
i dropped Collie in my redraft league and sorta have him on IR in my dynasty league. He just has such marginal value in a run oriented 2 WR base offense. I'd rather roster a guy like Jordy Nelson or Jacoby Ford in redraft. Even Decker has more upside in a redraft.

edit: Its a bit trite to suggest Jordy or Jacoby is available, but Decker should be. Other other guys to replace Collie in redraft: MoMass, MSW, E. Sanders, Jason Hill, Bennett. Several of these guys should be on the WW or available to trade Collie for.

 
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'heropretend said:
he's a drop. to put it in perspective, i don't think i've ever started kerry collins' #2 wr, let alone his #3.
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That's a great way to put it. Even if he does get on the field odds are that Wayne is the only draftable receiver on that team. Probably is a good buy low in dynasty.
 
I put him on the trading block before game 1 and no one had any interest.

I dropped him for a waiver claim and no one has made any attempt to grab him.

I figure he was in a high powered offense with a hall of fame QB who could spread the ball around to anyone who was out there.

He is still a talented guy but now he is playing in a timid offense with an old man who should be watching football on the couch with the rest of us.

I didn't see the point in holding the roster spot.

I cut him. No regrets. :scared:

 
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'Garrett said:
It has been one week. Relax. Collie is an obvious hold. You drafted him based off his upside, you have to give it a little time. Making any kind of change at this point is just throwing your draft pick away.
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Except the INDY guys were all ranked and drafted under the assumption Manning would return, which is highly unlikely, This dramatically reduces their value. So it is reasonable, not rash to lower expectations and want to move or remove them from your roster. There are other players available that will produce now as well or better. I would put Clark almost outside the top 10. It seems they are using him more as a blocker which if continues will kill his value and there are so many TE that catch balls well. Collie is 3rd on depth chart and in for fewer plays that garcon, he was also drafted ahead of Garcon so I would expect Garcon owners to be more patient than Collie owners
 
I have him and cannot decide what to do. If there was a definite better pick up, I would do it, just not sure who else to grab.

 
'chocula said:
I have him and cannot decide what to do. If there was a definite better pick up, I would do it, just not sure who else to grab.
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I am also on the fence. I have the opportunity to drop him for Greg Little or Lance Kendricks. Both are rookies, and Collie can perform. He was inches away from a TD last week and should get some goalline looks. I think week one is about as bad as the Colts offense will be this year. He should get better as the season progresses. Most who drafted early invested too early a pick to just cut bait. I'm gonna give it another week and reevaluate the situation.
 
If you can do so without major problems, hold him for now.

IF Manning comes back this year, Collie should blow up - and seeing less time with Collins could work in your favor by keeping Collie more healthy

 
'TidesofWar said:
If you can do so without major problems, hold him for now.IF Manning comes back this year, Collie should blow up - and seeing less time with Collins could work in your favor by keeping Collie more healthy
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If Manning comes back this year I am selling anything on IND that has value, including Manning.
 
Someone cut Garcon in our league. No one picked him up, so I dropped Collie for Lance Moore as my WR5. Ours is a 10 team league with a small bench.

I am sure if Manning is close to coming back, there would be a mad rush to pick Garcon and Collie.

 
I cut Collie in the 3 leagues I had him in. He's the 4th option in an offense that features Kerry Collins at QB. He might get a TD here and there but he's as good an option as Nate Washington was last year.

 
'glong989 said:
It's not like the guy would be a baller no matter what team he went to. He was a product of Peyton and fit in very well with what they do. Gotta have an accurate passer for him to be as effective as he was last season for the first however many games.
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Ummm he is without a doubt in my mind a badass baller! As long as he doesn't have a 40 year old QB that can't throw the ball, but I'm sure after looking at the stat sheet you think Percy Harvin is just a product of the system right? Maybe Wes Welker when he was still in Miami?Sure I don't think he can be productive at his depth chart spot and with the current level of team play in Indy, but what seems odd here is the complete lack of conversation about him possibly moving back up the chart.He's leapfrogged Garcon before because he's the more talented WR. To me the depth chart is a temporary illusion brought on by Collie missing a very large amount of time with injuries. He certainly has the work ethic to get back to a very high level. I mean it may be all moot, because a #2 with Collins still isn't much, but is it such a bad take that he's a better player and will rise to the top?
 
Guys, Manning is done for the year. Even if he gets healthy enough to play, no way are the Colts going to risk bringing him back to lead a 3-10 team. Not a chance.

And therein lies the problem with the rest of the team. Outside of Wayne, I don't see any other receiver (even the #2) consistently getting double digits (non-PPR) with Collins at the helm. There is a reason he was not playing and available for the Colts to pick up. He's a tick better than Painter, but that's all.

I decided to watch one game before dropping Collie, and that was all I needed to see. If there is anything remotely better on the WW, grab it. I was able to get Lance Moore. The Colts are cooked this year.

 
Collie was my 3rd round pick in a keeper league and I dropped him for Robert Meachem on Wed.

I drafted Wes Welker(2nd), Kenny Britt(4th) to go with Dez Bryant and Mike Williams(TB) as keepers so I shouldn't need him.

 
'Clifford said:
'heropretend said:
he's a drop. to put it in perspective, i don't think i've ever started kerry collins' #2 wr, let alone his #3.
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That's a great way to put it. Even if he does get on the field odds are that Wayne is the only draftable receiver on that team. Probably is a good buy low in dynasty.
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You guys are being far to hard on Collins after 1 game. Last year Collins averaged 230 yards passing and 1.7 TDs per game in his starts with Britt as his #1WR for 5 of those games and Nate Washington as his #2. He had two crap starts- one where he was pulled at the half for Young and a stinker v the Jags. His other 5 starts were 235 yards + and 2TDs+.If Collins starts 16 games for Indy he will probably have 4-5 of those stinkers but at the end of the year he will have 3,600-3,800 yards and 22+ TDs. This team has weapons and as disasterous as sunday looked he still had 197/1 on the road.
 
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