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Just another reason to bump Ingram up the rankings.
I'd rather look for a player that plays the same position as Colston to bump. Brees will make at least one Saint WR a solid stat getter. Or will he? I have to admit I'm a lil leery of this entire O after it was revealed that Brees was hurt last season. That said, if he's healthy and back to top form, Brees is a solid QB.Back to Colston... Assuming he's out at some point this season, which Saints WR is mostly likely to emerge?Just another reason to bump Ingram up the rankings.
lance moore or graham likely. meachem is a downfield threat. moore works the underneath routes and isn't afraid to take a hit. he's proven he can step up too. graham is a tremendous target, like colston, and has the athleticism to go beyond a simple 5 yard dump off.I'd rather look for a player that plays the same position as Colston to bump. Brees will make at least one Saint WR a solid stat getter. Or will he? I have to admit I'm a lil leery of this entire O after it was revealed that Brees was hurt last season. That said, if he's healthy and back to top form, Brees is a solid QB.Back to Colston... Assuming he's out at some point this season, which Saints WR is mostly likely to emerge?Just another reason to bump Ingram up the rankings.
i think they work some kind of contract extension. like 3 at $3-4m per. he makes his money and a little more for the hassle. see, the thing about brees is that if he trusts you then you'll get targets. you fall out of favor - like a devery henderson - and you'll be an afterthought...
I disagree. Name a single player who had multiple microfracture surgeries and came back to be a relevant fantasy starter. I'm not aware of any.
You've been watching to many cartoons...
I can't really think of a single offensice position player who has come back from microfracture surgery of the articular surface and been the same. That said colstons surgery was to the patella which isnt nearly as serious as its not weight bearing.
arrington has potential but he's buried in the depth chart. i could see him get some playing time with some loss of continuity in the aerial attack. maybe moore leaves for greener pastures? colston's injury hobbles him maybe? devery continues his disappearing act? meach goes sideways?sure, these are all things that could present an opportunity for arrington but i wouldn't bet on it.
This means nothing.
Do you know of anybody who was as good as him and had these surgeries? We're in uncharted waters, afaik, which means opportunity exists somewhere.
But even at a buy low I would assume Colston isn't going to be free. Be interested in hearing what he's going for these days.
Collie's gotta be bigger risk easy, but he's bigger reward too. One, maybe two more bad hits and he could really be gone. If he's good to go though...he may be top 5.Colston's upside is probably top 5 too, but more likely top 10/15. A fringe WR1. And the risk is there, we just don't know how bad it is. My bet is that people are overestimating that risk.
It seems unlikely that Colston will reach 2007 levels again. It may be more Brees and Payton than him, but it seems top 15 is where he maxes out now.It seems Collie could put in a 100 and 10 season if he stayed healthy all year. Concussions make you prone to more concussions, but it'd seem that'd be more avoidable than gimpy knees degrading more.
That is the common belief. But a couple years ago we looked at that in the offseason, and players don't perform better in contract years. Almost no correlation. I dont really want to dig for it right now, but I may later.
It's definitely worrisome but I think people are confused and don't realize that his micro fracture surgeries were different then most. Also they weren't on the same knee.He's already running fine, so short term it isn't much of an issue as his game isn't based on speed anyway. People are acting like his careers is all of a sudden over.
LOL at spinning the fact that Colston has had microfracture on both knees as a positive.
He's already running fine, so short term it isn't much of an issue as his game isn't based on speed anyway. People are acting like his careers is all of a sudden over.
Shockey is already with Carolina. I think Graham has already passed sleeper status, but you can probably still get him for a decent price in many redrafts.
Yea if anyone is still sleeping on Graham they haven't been paying much attention, he has star written all over him. If you can get him for a decent price, do it, he has top 5 TE upside easy IMO
I don't know what that insult is supposed to suggest, but if you were around in 2006 or had done your homework you'd know JWB is right on the mark.Many draft sites were suggesting Colston would perhaps need to be moved to TE because of his size. At 6'4" 230, some bulking up would have been required but it was mentioned often in pre-draft commentaries.
And that's why Shockey did so well with them?.. And Gates had a tremendous fall after Brees left?... This is a ridiculous line of reason..
You get trounced and then come back with this weak logic? Do you really think that Shockey's lack of production with the Saints had anything to do with Brees? Last I checked, Brees was a pretty darn accurate passer. Or could it be that Shockey's done? Two different teams have now let the guy walk. Brees has shown a propensity to rely on large bodies as WR's. That's a fact. He didn't rely on Shockey as much because the guy is past his prime and he had a guy like Colston there to throw to who is in his prime.
I'm sorry but I don't see how he got trounced. It seems that the "trouncer" focussed on proving that Colston was pegged pre season to be a TE. I didn't read that as the bone of contention in the first place.I think his logic is sound in fact. Just because Gates and later Colston were huge targets for Brees is not air tight logic that he likes TEs or even "big bodied WRs". Gates and Colston just happened to be the best and most dependable targets and therefore Brees went to them. The point of Shockey not being heavily utilized shows this although you seem to discount it since it doesn't fit your model. My belief is that Brees is a smart QB who will lean on a guy when he has a Gates or Colston ( his good years) or simply spread it around to the hot hand like I feel he did last year. If Graham can prove that he deserves top consideration by being sure handed, open and in the right spot then sure Brees will make him a star. It will certainly have nothing to do with him being a TE or big bodied.
Were I think Carolina got trounced was in seeming to dispute that Colston's size had people considering him a tweener for WR/TE. That is completely true.Whether Brees relies on big bodies in the passing game because they are big bodies is subject to dispute, so I don't think Carolina got trounced there.
And I never said Colston hadn't been once thought of as a TE.. I plucked him off the waiver wire his first year, I remember all about it.Gate's production wasn't specific to some imagined propensity for Brees to go to TE's. We know that because Gates has been great with other QB's aside from Brees. And the fact that Colston was once considered a TE or mislabeled a TE by our FF software, is a very loose relation and quite a bit of a stretch since he plays from the WR position. Actually, the chain of reasoning in this idea is rather humorous to me.'JamesTheScot said:
I don't think the Saints ever considered Colston a TE prospect for a moment. Shortly after training camp began and they saw what they had, Donte Stallworth was promptly traded (back when he was considered a WR with quite a bit of upside).
I never said that the Saints did.
