Colston vs Santonio (1 Viewer)

[CD Dragon]

i recently was offered a trade involving colston and santonio holmes

this is not a "should i take a trade" post.

this is in referral to a non-PPR format

FBG has colston ranked as the #7 dynasty WR

santonio is ranked as # 15

i guess my question is , what am i missing i see these 2 as even with maybe a slight advantage to holmes

colston played in 16 games and had

98/1202/11 at 12.3 per catch

santonio had played in 13 games and had

52/942/8 at 18.1 per catch

santonio played in 3 less games, had only 260 less yds and 3 less TDs. but had 46 less catches!!

he averaged a TD every 6.5 catches to colstons 9

he averaged 18.1 per to colstons 12.3 per

to gain colston numbers (per the averages) in the 3 games he missed he would have had to only catch 13 more. giving him 65/1177/10. 33 less rec, 25 less yds, 1 less TD

i guess what i am asking is why is colston rated so much higher than santonio?

TIA

 

[maccabees]

I don't know but its a good thing that I have both of them

 

[finito]

non ppr I see them as very close. Colston's probably ranked higher because he's produced incredibly well for 2 straight seasons and is the unquestioned #1 option on his team -- Holmes still has Hines Ward/Heath Miller who'll take catches/TDs, and Ben may not throw 30+ TDs this season, while Colston's in an offense should still be very prolific.

I'd say they're both very close. Holmes is a much better deep threat, Colston a better red zone guy. Pick your poison.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

They aren't really that close at all, IMO, and I'm a huge Steelers' homer.

In two years Colston has put up 168 catches for 2240 yards and 19 TDs. He is the unquestioned #1 target, red zone and otherwise, in one of the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL.

In two years Holmes has put up 101 catches for 1766 yards and 10 TDs. He is likely the #3 redzone target (Ward, Miller) in a much more balanced offense.

I like both guys from a fantasy standpoint, but at this time, it looks to me like Colston is an elite fantasy WR1 while Holmes is a nice WR2 with some upside.

 

[sheerterror]

They aren't really that close at all, IMO, and I'm a huge Steelers' homer.In two years Colston has put up 168 catches for 2240 yards and 19 TDs. He is the unquestioned #1 target, red zone and otherwise, in one of the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL.In two years Holmes has put up 101 catches for 1766 yards and 10 TDs. He is likely the #3 redzone target (Ward, Miller) in a much more balanced offense.I like both guys from a fantasy standpoint, but at this time, it looks to me like Colston is an elite fantasy WR1 while Holmes is a nice WR2 with some upside.

 

[FUBAR]

As much as I like Santonio, you'll have to rely much more on the big plays each week with him than Colston.

He's among the best deep threats in the game with one of the best QBs in the game, so I think he can be a legit WR1 in the future, but Colston is a top WR1 now.

I was thrilled to get Holmes as WR18 in PDSL2, but Colston was a good pick at WR8, a full round ahead. Granted, this is PPR, but it's also best ball where Santonio's value is higher than in most setups.

Basically, it's a question of consistency and being the #1 on a good offense vs. big play threat and being 1b (for now) on a team that historically runs a lot. Talent-wise, Holmes might be slightly better, but it's very close (NFL draft notwithstanding)

 

[travdogg]

I'm probably higher on Holmes than most, so they're pretty close to me.

Colston got off to a slow start last year and Holmes missed a few games. PPG was equal last year so I think it comes down to whether you like to play it safe or not.

Colston is safer, Holmes has more upside IMO.

I have Holmes and wouldn't trade him for Colston, but if I had Colston I'm not sure I'd trade him for Holmes.

 

[eric rymer]

They aren't really that close at all, IMO, and I'm a huge Steelers' homer.In two years Colston has put up 168 catches for 2240 yards and 19 TDs. He is the unquestioned #1 target, red zone and otherwise, in one of the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL.In two years Holmes has put up 101 catches for 1766 yards and 10 TDs. He is likely the #3 redzone target (Ward, Miller) in a much more balanced offense.I like both guys from a fantasy standpoint, but at this time, it looks to me like Colston is an elite fantasy WR1 while Holmes is a nice WR2 with some upside.

This reasoning is why I actually traded Holmes for Colston. I like Holmes alot, and he is a great home run threat. To me he is not even the #3 option in the redzone. Ward, Miller and maybe even Spaeth. Holmes is progressing nicely and if Pittsburgh continues to become a more pass oriented team, his numbers should still increase. I just prefer the steady consistancy of Colston and that offense.

 

[Chaka]

I'm probably higher on Holmes than most, so they're pretty close to me.Colston got off to a slow start last year and Holmes missed a few games. PPG was equal last year so I think it comes down to whether you like to play it safe or not.Colston is safer, Holmes has more upside IMO.I have Holmes and wouldn't trade him for Colston, but if I had Colston I'm not sure I'd trade him for Holmes.

I disagree a little. Colston is safer AND has more upside. He is the first, second and third option in the red zone and goal line passing game for New Orleans. He gets tons of opportunities and the most important ones around the goal line. He is also a proven consistent scorer.Colston had 12 goal line targets last year (second on the team was Bush with 6) Holmes had 3.Colston had 28 red zone targets last year (13 Bush), Holmes had 9.Colston had 143 total targets last year to Holmes 85.I'll take the guy who gets the most opportunities and the most goal line/red zone opportunities every time.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Colston > Holmes

However, I think Colston's perceived value is higher than actual value, while Holmes perceived value is lower than his actual value.

Colston = Top 10-15 WR

Holmes = Top 15 WR

 

[treat88]

They aren't really that close at all, IMO, and I'm a huge Steelers' homer.In two years Colston has put up 168 catches for 2240 yards and 19 TDs. He is the unquestioned #1 target, red zone and otherwise, in one of the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL.In two years Holmes has put up 101 catches for 1766 yards and 10 TDs. He is likely the #3 redzone target (Ward, Miller) in a much more balanced offense.I like both guys from a fantasy standpoint, but at this time, it looks to me like Colston is an elite fantasy WR1 while Holmes is a nice WR2 with some upside.

+1

 

[BoneYardDog]

Zealots Field wide receiver scoring last year using a weekly average:

Colston, Marques NOS WR 11.513

Holmes, Santonio PIT WR 11.400

Not a whole lot of difference to my eyes...

 

[Thunderchicken]

Zealots Field wide receiver scoring last year using a weekly average:

Colston, Marques NOS WR 11.513

Holmes, Santonio PIT WR 11.400

Not a whole lot of difference to my eyes...

.5 ppr leagueColston - 14.6 ppg

Holmes - 13.2 ppg

I would prefer Holmes because I think his ceiling is higher. With that said, I wouldn't trade Colston for Holmes due to perceived value alluded to above. Fantasy football is largely driven by perceived value rather than actual value. The ability to move someone at their highest perceived/lower actual value and acquire someone with a high actual/lower perceived value is what seperates the men from the boys.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I don't know but its a good thing that I have both of them

As do I, in a dynasty league.

 

[CD Dragon]

They aren't really that close at all, IMO, and I'm a huge Steelers' homer.In two years Colston has put up 168 catches for 2240 yards and 19 TDs. He is the unquestioned #1 target, red zone and otherwise, in one of the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL.In two years Holmes has put up 101 catches for 1766 yards and 10 TDs. He is likely the #3 redzone target (Ward, Miller) in a much more balanced offense.I like both guys from a fantasy standpoint, but at this time, it looks to me like Colston is an elite fantasy WR1 while Holmes is a nice WR2 with some upside.

This reasoning is why I actually traded Holmes for Colston. I like Holmes alot, and he is a great home run threat. To me he is not even the #3 option in the redzone. Ward, Miller and maybe even Spaeth. Holmes is progressing nicely and if Pittsburgh continues to become a more pass oriented team, his numbers should still increase. I just prefer the steady consistancy of Colston and that offense.

thanx for all the responses, but again, as noted above, the perception is different from reality.they both were the same consistancy according to my non-PPR statssantonio------------------------------------------------------------colston--------------------------------FFpts per week6total (5,4,8,5,1,5)=(28)--------0-9pts-------------------------7 total (4,6,3,6,4,3,1)=(27)5total (12,11,13,13,15)=(64)---10-19--------------------------6 total (13,15,12,11,15,17)=(83)2total (24,23)=(47)---------------20+---------------------------3 total (25,21,21)=(67)they both had 1 game less than half their season totalling less than 8 FFptscolston isnt as consistant as majority percievestalk amongst yourselves!

 

[JPeso]

thanx for all the responses, but again, as noted above, the perception is different from reality.they both were the same consistancy according to my non-PPR stats

I play PPR leagues only and Colston is miles ahead of Holmes in my eyes. If I was moving Colston for Holmes, I'd want a significant piece in the deal on top of Holmes.

 

[DoubleG]

First off, there is a some decent differences between the two statistically (especially when you factor in both seasons, not just this past one) and some of it depends on what you mean by "consistant". I would suggest that Colston, having 2 1,000 yard seasons and having 8 and 11 TDs in each of his seasons is far more consistant than 2 TDs by Holmes one year and 8 the next. Also the fact that Colston has caught 72 and 98 passes (as compared to Holmes' 49 & 52) will typically indicate more consistency over the long run. Many have already pointed out the target numbers and especially red-zone targets. In their first two seasons, Colston has finished in the top 15 WRs twice - this past year cracking the top 10 depending on your scoring - Holmes has yet to do so.

The litmus test for me is would I trade Colston straight up for Holmes? No way. Colston is the #1 WR on a very good offense that uses him a number of ways. Holmesisn't even the #1 WR

Would I trade Holmes straight up for Colston? In a heartbeat.

Is Holmes a solid WR2 with WR1-type upside? Sure - but his upside is to be about good as Colston already is (and has proven he can be for the past two years.) Basically, what I am saying is that at this point it appears that Homles' ceiling is very close to Colston's floor. If you've got Colston, why trade hime for someone who may put up numbers close to what he will?

And a final point (and probably part of why Colston is used so much near the goal line:

Colston 6' 4" - 231 lbs.

Homles 5' 11" - 189 lbs.

For my money, I'll take the guy with two 1,000+ yard seasons, averaging 9 TDs/season and has 5 inches and 40 lbs. more than the other guy who is avraging 5 TDs/season (as opposed to 9).