Colts Firesale, anyone buying? (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

I think this is going to be epicly bad for all the Colts. Two weeks ago, Kerry Collins was sitting at home not planning to play this season. Is he physically ready to play an entire football game? This is also a brand new offense to him, and he's got no chemistry with any of the receivers. As stated earlier in this thread, the Colts aren't built to run the ball. When Collins was in Tennessee, he had Chris Johnson in the backfield. The Colts don't have anything like that. This offense is also predicated on Manning making decisions at the line and getting rid of the ball quickly. With two weeks of practice how far along can Collins' be in the learning curve?My guess is this offense is going to look a lot like the Panthers did last year. Horrible. I don't think they'll win more than a few games this year if Manning is out for the season.

Agree completely. He's a statue at this point with zero mobility and with the Colts line there's a good chance that he gets knocked all around because he doesn't have the ability to read the defenses, doesn't know the offense like the back of his hand and know where everyone will be or have the release that Manning does. Collins was done last year, he was terrible but the Colts offered him a boatload of cash to get him off his rocking chair.

 

[Superdbs]

I drafted Wayne as my WR2 and considered moving him before Manning's news but now I've changed my mind. Wayne's numbers have been on the decline the past few years with Manning looking for other outlets and spreading the ball around more. Now with Manning out and Collins new to the system, I think Wayne, being the most experienced receiver for the Colts, will be heavily relied on by Collins. I think Wayne is a good buy low candidate that you can can get quite cheaply from a scared owner. The other Indy Colts WRs I'm not so sure about though.

There's the voice of reason in a sea of chicken littles.of course the Colts won't be the automatic Top-5 type of players they have been for so long but their demise is being seriously over thought/assumed. collins will make the team different but its not like he is Matt leinart or derek anderson. And the Colts may not be a good NFL team but even bad NFL teams often have very good Fantasy plays (Browns/Broncos/Raiders, etc).The fringe players take a huge hit because the offense isn't going to stay out there long enough to give them the opportunities that made them so attractive. But Wayne should be fine and he actually might be BETTER in PPR than he has been the past couple seasons (which is already pretty danged good. He's always top 7 or better in my PPRs). Clark I am on the fence because I can see the idea of him being a security blanket but I can also see him being asked to block more. And clark's game isn't the traditional security blanket role a TE will see because he is up the field as much as anyone.So, yes, temper expectations with Collie and Garcon and watch closely on Clark, but Wayne is going to be fine FF-wise. And, if nothing else, if you believe my line of thought, you may as well buy now because if any of these guys are serviceable weekly starts, you KNOW when Manning comes back they all get a huge boost in perceived value.

Well said and thought out. Like Polian said, the guy's passed for 40k yards, he knows how to throw it. People are acting like all these guys are practice squad scrubs who just happened to be made by Manning, Garcon is the only one I see possibly being in that category. Absolutely, Collins would never be anyone's first pick for a guy to step in and save your season, but it's not like he's Matt Moore or Jamarcus Russell either. Manning loved going to the slot receiver the last few years with Stokley and now Collie, and I think Collie's the one who takes the statistical hit, but I think Wayne and Clark will hold fairly steady. It's one thing to say they're going to be run-heavy now, but it's a whole other thing to be able to DO it. They may be behind a lot and airing it out this year. I'm holding onto Wayne and Collie in the couple of leagues I have them, at least for the first couple of weeks. Damn, we haven't even played one game yet, maybe we should step back from the ledge a little?

 

[Shutout]

I drafted Wayne as my WR2 and considered moving him before Manning's news but now I've changed my mind. Wayne's numbers have been on the decline the past few years with Manning looking for other outlets and spreading the ball around more. Now with Manning out and Collins new to the system, I think Wayne, being the most experienced receiver for the Colts, will be heavily relied on by Collins. I think Wayne is a good buy low candidate that you can can get quite cheaply from a scared owner. The other Indy Colts WRs I'm not so sure about though.

There's the voice of reason in a sea of chicken littles.of course the Colts won't be the automatic Top-5 type of players they have been for so long but their demise is being seriously over thought/assumed. collins will make the team different but its not like he is Matt leinart or derek anderson. And the Colts may not be a good NFL team but even bad NFL teams often have very good Fantasy plays (Browns/Broncos/Raiders, etc).

The fringe players take a huge hit because the offense isn't going to stay out there long enough to give them the opportunities that made them so attractive. But Wayne should be fine and he actually might be BETTER in PPR than he has been the past couple seasons (which is already pretty danged good. He's always top 7 or better in my PPRs). Clark I am on the fence because I can see the idea of him being a security blanket but I can also see him being asked to block more. And clark's game isn't the traditional security blanket role a TE will see because he is up the field as much as anyone.

So, yes, temper expectations with Collie and Garcon and watch closely on Clark, but Wayne is going to be fine FF-wise.

And, if nothing else, if you believe my line of thought, you may as well buy now because if any of these guys are serviceable weekly starts, you KNOW when Manning comes back they all get a huge boost in perceived value.

Well said and thought out. Like Polian said, the guy's passed for 40k yards, he knows how to throw it. People are acting like all these guys are practice squad scrubs who just happened to be made by Manning, Garcon is the only one I see possibly being in that category. Absolutely, Collins would never be anyone's first pick for a guy to step in and save your season, but it's not like he's Matt Moore or Jamarcus Russell either. Manning loved going to the slot receiver the last few years with Stokley and now Collie, and I think Collie's the one who takes the statistical hit, but I think Wayne and Clark will hold fairly steady. It's one thing to say they're going to be run-heavy now, but it's a whole other thing to be able to DO it. They may be behind a lot and airing it out this year. I'm holding onto Wayne and Collie in the couple of leagues I have them, at least for the first couple of weeks. Damn, we haven't even played one game yet, maybe we should step back from the ledge a little?

Indeed.

I think we all get caught up in a vacuum somtimes and treat these things like its just 'flip a switch' and it happens, but in reality teams draft and sign players for years developing "run" teams or "passing" teams.

My best guess, now that we have heard that manning is out for 2-3 months at least, is that this is something the team knew a great deal more about than they let on and, therefore, its realistic that the team HAS spent time changing to what they know they are going to have to be. But can they do it just because they say they need to? Likely not.

But like I said earlier, even the worst of NFL teams often have good FF plays just out of necessity. A good receiver like Wayne or Clark with a decent QB will still catch passes and accumulate yards and have TDS.

Is it a major bummer? Yes. Is it a fall from the cliff? We will see.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Andrew Luck, here we come !!

 

[Hoart Petterson]

I think the Colts are going try to do what they always do. Collins can still sling it. Obviously he's going to have difficulty picking up the nuances of the offense in such a short period of time but to think they're not going to utilize the weapons they have on the field is short-sighted. When has Kerry Collins ever been given the keys to an offense like this? Never. He's not going to put up Manning in his prime type numbers but to say the offense is going to look like Carolina of last season, I mean c'mon. He may throw a bunch of picks out of the gate but the guy is gonna chuck it.

 

[dagwood]

Andrew Luck, here we come !!

Lol.Do you know how much the line moved in Las Vegas when Manning was ruled out?

 

[bagger]

i cant wait for collins to come in, light it up, and have people realize manning is a product of the system.

 

[Daywalker]

10 teams. Start 2 QB.

I have:

Rodgers

Cassell

Colt

Campbell

So my QB2 is on the weak side.

I'm contemplating dropping Collie and adding M. Flynn.

Not saying Collie is worthless without Manning but I'll never use him now. Flynn on the other hand could be a savior at some point if catastrophe occurs.

 

[Banger]

I think the Colts are going try to do what they always do. Collins can still sling it. Obviously he's going to have difficulty picking up the nuances of the offense in such a short period of time but to think they're not going to utilize the weapons they have on the field is short-sighted. When has Kerry Collins ever been given the keys to an offense like this? Never. He's not going to put up Manning in his prime type numbers but to say the offense is going to look like Carolina of last season, I mean c'mon. He may throw a bunch of picks out of the gate but the guy is gonna chuck it.

An offense like what? A makeshift bad line, horrible running game, good te and good wr? Manning made their offense. He's gonna chuck it, he'll complete some but he'll get sacked a ton (13 sacks and 5 fumbles 3 lost) in less than 10 games. He might throw for 3200 - 3400 yards and maybe 20 tds but he'll throw 15+ picks as well. I will be surprised if collins makes it through the year.

 

[Banger]

i cant wait for collins to come in, light it up, and have people realize manning is a product of the system.

Haha. Good stuff.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

I think the Colts are going try to do what they always do. Collins can still sling it. Obviously he's going to have difficulty picking up the nuances of the offense in such a short period of time but to think they're not going to utilize the weapons they have on the field is short-sighted. When has Kerry Collins ever been given the keys to an offense like this? Never. He's not going to put up Manning in his prime type numbers but to say the offense is going to look like Carolina of last season, I mean c'mon. He may throw a bunch of picks out of the gate but the guy is gonna chuck it.

An offense like what? A makeshift bad line, horrible running game, good te and good wr? Manning made their offense. He's gonna chuck it, he'll complete some but he'll get sacked a ton (13 sacks and 5 fumbles 3 lost) in less than 10 games. He might throw for 3200 - 3400 yards and maybe 20 tds but he'll throw 15+ picks as well. I will be surprised if collins makes it through the year.

Sounds like Jay Cutler/Carson Palmer type numbers from last season. In a deep/start 2 QB league... sign me up.

 

[Quez]

Are Collie/Garcon owners dropping yet in shallow leagues? In one of my 10 team 16 man rosters I am highly considering it. I think the ceiling on these guys is only so high whereas there are guys with more upside on the waiver wire. Next week might be too late to jump on the guys like Denareus Moore and Greg Little.

 

[duaneok66]

Dropping Collie is just plain foolish . . .

 

[mcd]

Losing Manning at QB is going to hurt that whole offense, but what may hurt worse is losing his play calling. I'm not sure the Colts offense will look anything like what Manning ran if he isn't in there to audible after a defense is set. I'm guessing the Colt's offensive coaching staff will be exposed without Manning out there.

 

[duaneok66]

i think there is an overreaction going on here . . .

there are plenty of guys who had successful FF seasons with mediocre QBs - there are too many to name - however they were still FF viable . . .

SOME dropoff is expected - calling it a "fire sale" is a bit much IMO . . .

 

[phillybirds]

I have Clark and Collie.

I'm keeping Clark.

I figure even with a drop in production he should at worst put up average TE numbers.

But Collie, not ready to drop him outright(since there's no one currently worth grabbing), but I'd entertain any offers in my league.

 

[VaTerp]

i cant wait for collins to come in, light it up, and have people realize manning is a product of the system.

 

[Quez]

I think it's fair to say Collie will put up similar numbers to most #2-#3 WRs with bad O-lines and bad QBs. That puts him in the same range as guys like Mike Williams, Devon Bess, Andre Roberts, Jerome Simpson, Braylon Edwards, Steve Breaston, and Eddie Royal.

 

[Banger]

I was very pessimistic on the Colts without Manning and the impact on their offensive playmakers but it might be much much worse than I thought. Collins is beyond atrocious...an absolute statue.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

I think Collins looks great. He's really shucking and jiving out there.