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Colts to keep the two back system? (1 Viewer)

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Is this coach speak? Can you really see one of the guys on the roster getting the amount of carries Rhodes got last year?

Colts sticking with two-back ground attack

By Tom James

Tribune-Star Correspondent

INDIANAPOLIS — The Indianapolis Colts had plenty of success with their two-pronged running attack en route to the franchise’s second Super Bowl championship last February. So much so that Colts coach Tony Dungy is intent on keeping the system in place despite the free-agency loss of Dominic Rhodes to the Oakland Raiders.

Yes, 2006 first-round draft pick Joseph Addai is back and will continue in his role as the team’s first-team runner. But the question still remains as to just who will fill the sizable gap created by Rhodes’ departure.

Will it be second-year pro DeDe Dorsey, who spent most of the 2006 season splitting time as the Colts’ third-string running back and on special-teams duty after he was picked up off the Cincinnati Bengals’ practice squad at the end of training camp last summer.

Or could it possibly be former Canadian Football League standout Kenton Keith, who is the oldest of the running backs (26) but is in his first year with Indianapolis. He has spent the last four seasons playing with the CFL’s Saskatchewan Roughriders, where he rushed for 3,811 yards and 21 touchdowns in 54 career games.

A pair of undrafted rookies — Clifton Dawson, who played collegiately at Harvard, and Chris Morgan from Indiana University-Pennsylvania — are also in the mix and may have a shot of earning a spot on the roster this fall. Veteran James Mungro, who missed all of the 2006 season with a knee injury, is a restricted free agent but remains unsigned. He could be brought back at a later date.

For the time being, though, the battle is expected to come down primarily to either Dorsey, who gained valuable experience a year ago in learning the Colts’ intricate offensive system, and Keith.

“With Dominic being gone, me and Joseph are the veteran guys. I’m getting a lot more looks, even during the mini-camps. I’m taking more reps with [the first-team offense],” Dorsey said Sunday as Indianapolis wrapped up three days of mandatory workouts.

“Being here last year and being around our offense, it’s helped me. It’s not brand new to me, so I’m more confident in the moves that I make and everything that goes on.”

An NAIA All-American as both a cornerback and running back at Lindenwood University, Dorsey was a bright spot in the Bengals’ training camp last summer. An ankle injury cut short his time with Cincinnati, but he was good enough to be one of the team’s top rushers during the 2006 preseason.

“I think [indianapolis coaches] have confidence in me and my ability to get out and catch passes as well as running the ball and protect [Colts quarterback] Peyton [Manning]. Not playing last year really helped me a lot. I got to sit back and watch exactly how it was to be done. I could imitate that rather than being thrown in there right off the bat and not knowing anything at all. I learned the patience that is required for this offense. I learned how to be patient and let things happen.”

Dungy has been impressed with what he’s seen of Dorsey since he’s been with the Colts. Dungy works with the scout team during the regular season, affording him the opportunity to keep a close eye on the Broken Arrow, Okla., native.

“He’s doing fine. He’s obviously more adjusted to our offense than our other new backs. But we expect a lot out of him and I think he’s walking with a little confidence this year too,” Dungy said recently. “He has some running skills. He’s very quick through the hole and I think he’s a fairly tough guy. We saw him a little bit on special teams last year and he did some good things on the [scout] squad simulating other backs. I think he has a feel for the game. He’s smart and I think he’s going to be fairly tough.”

n Young old men — Addai is just in his second season with the Colts. Safety Bob Sanders is entering his fourth National Football League season. But they will be the most experienced players at their respective positions entering training camp.

With Rhodes gone and Mungro still on the outside looking in, Addai may be getting a heavier workload during the early stages of the 2007 season.

“I took a lot from Dominic and I understood a lot. He helped me out a lot. But I think I’ve got the will power now to go in there, if I have to [and get the bulk of the carries]. You never know the situation. You never know if you’ve got to split time or if you’ve got to take the full load. But whatever the plan might be, I’m ready for it,” Addai said Sunday.

“[A two-back system] has it’s advantages and disadvantages. If I have to [carry the ball more], I’ll still be fresh. I mean, everybody wants to be the guy. But if that’s the system we have to play in, I don’t mind.”

Sanders, meanwhile, continues to recover from shoulder surgery that he underwent nearly three months ago. The procedure was done in order to clean up some issues that were left over from surgery he had last fall. He remains uncertain as to when he will be able to return to a full practice regimen.

“Still working out, rehabbing. I’m like two-and-a-half months out of surgery. It’s going well. I’m way ahead of schedule. Just looking forward to competing, continuing to get better and keep studying,” he said, adding that he hopes the most recent surgery will help keep him on the field longer this year.

“[The surgery] was pretty similar [to what he had done last fall]. Same kind of thing. It didn’t hold up very well towards the end of the year and we had to go back in and clean up a few things. But I feel better.”

n Dungy misses Sunday practices — Dungy usually has a pretty good reason for missing a practice. Or even two practices, for that matter.

That was the case Sunday as assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach Jim Caldwell was in charge for the Colts’ final two mandatory mini-camp workouts. Dungy, meanwhile, was in Atlanta along with the rest of his immediate family attending graduation exercises at Spelman College for his oldest daughter, Tiara.

He is expected back in time for the start of organized team activity sessions, which get under way Tuesday.

n Freeney around for all three days, Gonzalez kept in Los Angeles — Defensive end Dwight Freeney, the Colts’ franchise player, attended all three days of the mini-camp but did not practice. First-round draft pick Anthony Gonzalez was forced to miss the workouts by the NFL in order to attend a league-mandated event in Los Angeles.

Gonzalez had attempted to bow out of the California trip in order to attend the mini-camp. Due to school-related obligations at Ohio State, he will also miss an early portion of the team’s summer school practices.

 
I was just reading that, as an Addai owner I am a little concerned. I don't know what to think, other than the Colts will see Addai explode early in games and just stick with him. That's my hope.

 
Addai will average 15-20 carries a game, likely a candidate for 40-60 receptions(Edge avg 50 a year), and probably will score around 10 TD(4 in one game last season). Do you really think Dungy is going to come out and put the weight of the world on Addai's back and say "We're going to run the kid into the ground"?

Addai will be good for about 100 yds a week and probably a TD at least every other week if not more. He is a great candidate for top10-15 numbers and has some of the best talent to go around him, and a pretty solid OL.

As an Addai owner I am not sweating DeDe Dorsey although I have him too.

 
:fluff: I think they could use a "two back system", but I'd assume the second back is giving Addai a break from a large workload. If Indy wants to keep winning, they'll do two things:

(1) Addai will get a large amount of carries

(2) Keep Addai fresh and healthy with a break for a few carries a game

 
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DocT said:
:fluff: I think they could use a "two back system", but I'd assume the second back is giving Addai a break from a large workload. If Indy wants to keep winning, they'll do two things: (1) Addai will get a large amount of carries(2) Keep Addai fresh and healthy with a break for a few carries a game
I would agree. Outside of LT, LJ and maybe a couple of others, there really aren't too many RBs that command an enormous proportion of their respective teams' carries. Addai's situation shouldn't be any different.Beyond that, perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any comments from Dungy or Polian, but rather only the writer and Dorsey himself.
 
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The only reason that strat might work is because of Manning/the O in general. Otherwise this would be asking for trouble - and it might still be, although maybe not as much so given the O. There are a lot of RBs you could throw in there who would do well.....but I'm more than a little unconvinced any of the schleps they have behind Addai right now are one of them.

 
DocT said:
:fluff: I think they could use a "two back system", but I'd assume the second back is giving Addai a break from a large workload. If Indy wants to keep winning, they'll do two things: (1) Addai will get a large amount of carries(2) Keep Addai fresh and healthy with a break for a few carries a game
I would agree. Outside of LT, LJ and maybe a couple of others, there really aren't too many RBs that command an enormous proportion of their respective teams' carries. Addai's situation shouldn't be any different.Beyond that, perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any comments from Dungy or Polian, but rather only the writer and Dorsey himself.
1. Dungy said in a recent article that he wants to try to limit Addai's carries to about 18 a game.2. Both Dungy and Polian have said more than once how good Dorsey looks in practice. That seems to be the spin right now out of the Colts organization.
 
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:fluff: I think they could use a "two back system", but I'd assume the second back is giving Addai a break from a large workload. If Indy wants to keep winning, they'll do two things: (1) Addai will get a large amount of carries(2) Keep Addai fresh and healthy with a break for a few carries a game
I would agree. Outside of LT, LJ and maybe a couple of others, there really aren't too many RBs that command an enormous proportion of their respective teams' carries. Addai's situation shouldn't be any different.Beyond that, perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any comments from Dungy or Polian, but rather only the writer and Dorsey himself.
1. Dungy said in a recent article that he wants to try to limit Addai's carries to about 18 a game.2. Both Dungy and Polian have said more than once how good Dorsey looks in practice. That seems to be the spin right now out of the Colts organization.
18 carries a game is 288 for the season...just a hair under the desired 300 all FF owners want to see form their frontline RB. If he touches it that many times plus has about 50 catches which I see happening...we are close to 350 touches for the season at that point...how could any owner not view that as top10 potential?
 
DocT said:
:fluff: I think they could use a "two back system", but I'd assume the second back is giving Addai a break from a large workload. If Indy wants to keep winning, they'll do two things: (1) Addai will get a large amount of carries(2) Keep Addai fresh and healthy with a break for a few carries a game
I would agree. Outside of LT, LJ and maybe a couple of others, there really aren't too many RBs that command an enormous proportion of their respective teams' carries. Addai's situation shouldn't be any different.Beyond that, perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any comments from Dungy or Polian, but rather only the writer and Dorsey himself.
1. Dungy said in a recent article that he wants to try to limit Addai's carries to about 18 a game.2. Both Dungy and Polian have said more than once how good Dorsey looks in practice. That seems to be the spin right now out of the Colts organization.
I saw the same article. Until Dorsey shows that he can effectively command 8-10 carries or so, I think Addai may be in line for more a larger workload than that. Of course, 18 carries per game projects to 288 for a full season, which is a pretty hefty workload anyway.
 
Colts Running Back Dorsey Preparing for Increased Role

INDIANAPOLIS – As far as DeDe Dorsey sees it, last year was one thing.

The Colts’ running game was effective. The players ahead of him were running well. And Dorsey was a rookie learning a new system.

So, not playing on offense all season?

While not Dorsey’s ideal, he said he could handle it.

New season, new story.

Dorsey, after spending last season as the Colts’ third running back, is entering his second NFL season, and is currently participating in summer-school sessions at the team’s practice facility with one goal:

A more high-profile role in one of the NFL’s most potent offenses.

“If I show them that I can operate in this offense, and that I can help, I believe they’ll put me in,” Dorsey said. “We’ll see what happens.”

One thing is certain:

Although Dorsey – who played collegiately at Lindenwood University – has yet to have an NFL carry, Colts personnel officials and coaches believe him capable of an increased role.

“I’m certain that DeDe will be a really good addition to this team,” Colts President Bill Polian said shortly after last month’s NFL Draft. “That isn’t just me. When you talk to the players, the first thing they tell you is, ‘Wow. DeDe Dorsey. Where’d you get him? He’s pretty good. Who’s that 30? Where’d you get him?’’’

Dorsey, after originally signing with the Cincinnati Bengals as an undrafted free agent, was claimed off waivers by the Colts just before the 2006 season.

He impressed coaches and personnel officials in practice throughout last season, and was active in 17 games, including all four of the Colts’ postseason games.

But throughout last season, the Colts played a two-back system of Dominic Rhodes and Joseph Addai. Rhodes, then a six-year veteran, rushed for 641 yards and five touchdowns and Addai – the Colts’ first-round selection in the 2006 NFL Draft – led all NFL rookies in rushing with 1,081 yards and seven touchdowns.

Neither Addai nor Rhodes missed a game.

As a result, Dorsey did not get a carry.

“Nobody dreams of watching the games from the sidelines,” Dorsey said, “but last year, that was my role. I was a little behind in the offense, so that set me back, learning the offense. Then, with Dominic and Joe having such great success, why mess that up?

“I understood all of that. Last year watching, yes, it was hard. But this season, with the off-season workouts and coming up to training camp, hopefully, I can prove to them that I belong on the field as well.”

Dungy said Dorsey went a long way toward proving that last season.

While Dorsey did not play in any games, he played extensively in practice, typically as the scout team running back. During practices, Dungy runs the scout team. He said sometimes a coach can get a feel for when a player will succeed based on practice. Dorsey, Dungy said, played well enough in practice last season to indicate he was such a player – and to indicate that with Rhodes having signed as a free agent with the Oakland Raiders, he can be part of a two-back rotation with Addai.

“We sure think he can,” Dungy said. “We never got to see him run live in a game, but what he did in practice really gives you every indication he can be.”

Said Dorsey, “If you go full speed in practice, that will translate into the game.”

Dorsey said the confidence of Polian and Dungy has given him confidence. He also said that although many outside the organization expressed surprise when the Colts did not select a running back in last April’s NFL Draft, the organization’s belief that he can fill the role matters far more than the opinions of analysts and observers.

“It motivates me, but at the same time, it’s kind of cool flying in under the radar,” Dorsey said. “If the team has this much confidence in me, it doesn’t matter what outside the locker room says.”

But confidence, Dorsey said, isn’t a huge issue, anyway.

At Lindenwood, we was an NAIA All-America selection as a senior, when he rushed for 1,600 yards and 18 touchdowns.

That was his second season at Lindenwood. After transferring from Ottawa (Kan.) Junior College, he was an All-America defensive back as a junior, when he had seven interceptions before switching to running back the last four games of the season.

“Anytime I step on the field, I feel like I’m ready to go and ready to perform,” Dorsey said. “I’m confident whenever I step up to the line.

“The way I feel is if you doubt yourself, you’re not going to have any results. If you have confidence in yourself, and confidence in your ability and go out there and play like it, that’s when you get the big results.”

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7...ad-d386f4b1344f

 
Did anyone really think Addai was going to be a 25 carry per game workhorse? Those don't exist, so for the Colts to try and develop a capable 2nd and even 3rd option shouldn't suprise anyone.

In the article that was mentioned earlier, Dungy said he'd expect Addai will go from a 12-13 carry back to an 18-19 carry back, and that gets you right around 300 carries on the season. Dungy also said that he wanted an additional 10 carries or so per game to go to other players. Having a capable 2nd RB will allow the Colts to sustain more drives and thus generate more scoring chances, too.

Given how well he catches passes and how he was used in that role last year, 50 catches should be an easy target, and 60-65 might even be attainable.

So, assuming a full, healthy season, 350+ touches seems to be a virtual lock, that's plenty of touches for him to land well inside the top 10 if performs well.

 
LOL @ Dorsey getting 8-10 touches at 191 pounds; the Colts should've drafted a back in the later rounds or grabbed Chris Brown . . . Addai is injury prone and the Colts will be lost the next time he gets hurt, which will probably be soon . . .

 
LOL @ Dorsey getting 8-10 touches at 191 pounds; the Colts should've drafted a back in the later rounds or grabbed Chris Brown . . . Addai is injury prone and the Colts will be lost the next time he gets hurt, which will probably be soon . . .
:thumbup: some one doesn't like the Colts

I just don't see any of those guys taking carries away from Addai

 
LOL @ Dorsey getting 8-10 touches at 191 pounds; the Colts should've drafted a back in the later rounds or grabbed Chris Brown . . . Addai is injury prone and the Colts will be lost the next time he gets hurt, which will probably be soon . . .
:thumbup: some one doesn't like the Colts

I just don't see any of those guys taking carries away from Addai
you base that off my post?? he was injury prone at LSU and has yet to carry a full load in college or the NFL. . .

 
Steelers4Life said:
Did anyone really think Addai was going to be a 25 carry per game workhorse? Those don't exist, so for the Colts to try and develop a capable 2nd and even 3rd option shouldn't suprise anyone.In the article that was mentioned earlier, Dungy said he'd expect Addai will go from a 12-13 carry back to an 18-19 carry back, and that gets you right around 300 carries on the season. Dungy also said that he wanted an additional 10 carries or so per game to go to other players. Having a capable 2nd RB will allow the Colts to sustain more drives and thus generate more scoring chances, too.Given how well he catches passes and how he was used in that role last year, 50 catches should be an easy target, and 60-65 might even be attainable.So, assuming a full, healthy season, 350+ touches seems to be a virtual lock, that's plenty of touches for him to land well inside the top 10 if performs well.
Ditto post #8
 
LOL @ Dorsey getting 8-10 touches at 191 pounds
LOL at you.Edited to say that I won't be surprised to see the Colts sign someone better than Dorsey. Either way, Addai won't be used a whole hell of a lot more in 2007 than he was in 2006.
 
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LOL @ Dorsey getting 8-10 touches at 191 pounds
LOL at you.Edited to say that I won't be surprised to see the Colts sign someone better than Dorsey. Either way, Addai won't be used a whole hell of a lot more in 2007 than he was in 2006.
Really JU? You think he will only carry the ball 220 times again when Dungy has said he will be getting around 18 carries a game which is about 288 by my math. Add in 50 catches and he is approaching almost 350 touches. Guy had 4 TD in 1 game last season and is playing in a super talented offense loaded with top notch talent...you really think he won't outperform his stats of a year ago?
 
I find it hard to believe that the Colts will not add a veteran RB be it Chris Brown or someone else. Right now they would be in huge trouble if Addai went down. They would probably become very one-dimensional (although that one dimension would be very good) and lose a lot of playcalling flexibility. That's not good news for a team that relies so heavily on that side of the ball. Dorsey may or may not be a player but even if he is this unit could use another quality set of legs. This team is trying to repeat and the RB position is one injury away from really hurting that effort.

 

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