Commish Dilemma (1 Viewer)

[HurryUpSundays]

FA in our league go on waivers the first snap of each weeks games. We have short benches and no one has more than one kicker on their squad.

Nate Kaeding has just been ruled out, as of today. I've never had this issue come up as in years past our FA when on waivers at Sunday's kick-off. I guess it is my own fault for not thinking of this beforehand, but should the Kaeding owner have the option of getting another kicker, or is this just a bad luck (bad commishing) and part of FF?

TIA.

 

[Chazzhawk]

With Thursday games every week this is a stupid rule, there are way too many game time decisions and owners are being forced to make a decision on players that might not be ruled out until Sunday at noon eastern.

 

[Dentist]

this is a bad system.

not sure what else to do honestly. i hate it... but i suppose no different than if he went out in the first play or was a scratch in the final half hour and the guy was out of town

 

[Chazzhawk]

this is a bad system.not sure what else to do honestly. i hate it... but i suppose no different than if he went out in the first play or was a scratch in the final half hour and the guy was out of town

No because that is bad luck and the guy was planning on playing, with this rule owners are being forced to make an uneducated guess about a player with little or no information.

 

[Sea Duck]

It's a bad rule that should have been changed for 2012. But you shouldn't change it now unless the majority of owners approve it.

I'm surprised that you haven't had an issue with this before today. They've been playing Thursday games for 10 years now.

 

[madd futher]

I'm guessing that you have MFL as your league site. Last year I believe it was impossible to use 'waiver setup wizard' and combine an open FCFS waiver wire bidding system with any other options except closing at the kick-off of the first game for the week or a specific set time (like 1 pm on Sunday). So we used the option of 1 pm on Sunday with the understanding that I would manually reverse any pick-ups of players from teams that played on Thursday night.

This year I noticed that MFL provided an edit work-around that allows you to have open free agency close with the beginning of the games for the specific players an owner would intend to add.

If you are interested in those details, here's the MFL 2013 waiver edit instructions:

"All of the packaged waivers, by default, will start at kickoff of the first game of the week. This includes all games that kickoff on Thursday night, thus ending your First Come, First Served or Free Agent Period.

To edit your events to allow players to be picked up until kickoff of their individual game you will need to edit your events on the Setup > Waiver Rules Calendar Setup after you select your package on the Setup > Select Packaged Waiver Rules.

On the on the Setup > Waiver Rules Calendar Setup you will click on the (Edit) link to adjust the start of the event(s) time that currently reads "Kickoff Week 1" to instead read "Mon, Sep 10 @ 11pm ET".

You will then want to go to the Setup > Waivers/FA Setup to enable the last option to "Prevent Owners From Making FCFS Waivers/Free Agent Moves Between Kickoff of that player's game and the end of the last game of the week?" This will lock those players whose games have kicked off into their current roster status."

This makes it possible to add a player right up until his specific game has started, and I would strongly advise any commish to change your 2012 settings to allow for that as quickly as possible before any more of these dilemnas occur. If this setting change requires immediate ratification by your league owners, I'm sure that they will gladly want to do it, even if the season has already completed week 3 - much better a little late than having an issure during the playoff stretch.

Your leaguemates should be aware that with MFL, doing multi-step waiver settings to accomplish this most logical of waiver options is anything but straightforward.

Hope this helps!

 

[Chazzhawk]

It's a bad rule that should have been changed for 2012. But you shouldn't change it now unless the majority of owners approve it.I'm surprised that you haven't had an issue with this before today. They've been playing Thursday games for 10 years now.

Ya, but before this year Thursday games didn't start until Thanksgiving and bye weeks were done by week 10, so the kicker merry-go-round a lot of owners play with kickers would be done by this point, the same could be said for defenses.

 

[kutta]

I agree I don't like the rule, but the guy should not be able to pick up a kicker. Rules are rules.

We get around some dumb kicker things like this by playing a team kicker instead of an individual. That way if your kicker gets hurt, you still get the points that the backup guy gets. It prevents people from having to carrying two kickers and getting screwed like this.

 

[madd futher]

I agree I don't like the rule, but the guy should not be able to pick up a kicker. Rules are rules.

We get around some dumb kicker things like this by playing a team kicker instead of an individual. That way if your kicker gets hurt, you still get the points that the backup guy gets. It prevents people from having to carrying two kickers and getting screwed like this.

IMO 'bad' rules made just because the host site does not have a straightforward process to achieve a more logical outcome can and should be put to a discussion and ratification vote even at this point of the season, now that the commissioner is aware of the required fix. It makes no sense living with this 'bad rule' all season and then having this 'bad rule' affect a match outcome come play-off time. This is a 'dumb thing' that has an fix. There is no reason not to correct this pronto for the betterment of the whole league. See my post above.

 

[Quibbler]

That rule doesn't work with all the Thursday games. FAs should lock when they play.

I'd say you should vote on changing it mid-season, but only make the change if the vote is unanimous.

 

[kutta]

I agree I don't like the rule, but the guy should not be able to pick up a kicker. Rules are rules.

We get around some dumb kicker things like this by playing a team kicker instead of an individual. That way if your kicker gets hurt, you still get the points that the backup guy gets. It prevents people from having to carrying two kickers and getting screwed like this.

IMO 'bad' rules made just because the host site does not have a straightforward process to achieve a more logical outcome can and should be put to a discussion and ratification vote even at this point of the season, now that the commissioner is aware of the required fix. It makes no sense living with this 'bad rule' all season and then having this 'bad rule' affect a match outcome come play-off time. This is a 'dumb thing' that has an fix. There is no reason not to correct this pronto for the betterment of the whole league. See my post above.

You can't change it right now. There are probably teams carrying two kickers to avoid any of these types of problems. Changing it now is really unfair to them.If you want to change it after this week's games, then fine. But you can't change it now.

 

[madd futher]

I agree I don't like the rule, but the guy should not be able to pick up a kicker. Rules are rules.

We get around some dumb kicker things like this by playing a team kicker instead of an individual. That way if your kicker gets hurt, you still get the points that the backup guy gets. It prevents people from having to carrying two kickers and getting screwed like this.

IMO 'bad' rules made just because the host site does not have a straightforward process to achieve a more logical outcome can and should be put to a discussion and ratification vote even at this point of the season, now that the commissioner is aware of the required fix. It makes no sense living with this 'bad rule' all season and then having this 'bad rule' affect a match outcome come play-off time. This is a 'dumb thing' that has an fix. There is no reason not to correct this pronto for the betterment of the whole league. See my post above.

You can't change it right now. There are probably teams carrying two kickers to avoid any of these types of problems. Changing it now is really unfair to them.If you want to change it after this week's games, then fine. But you can't change it now.

Who says that you can't change it now??? You do not know his league's bylaws, so you cannot say that. Most leagues DO have provisions to make fixes like this midseason if required for the betterment of the league. YOU might vote against it, but the commissioner probably CAN request the change immediately and the rest of the league can ratify it.

Even better, in my league, as commish, I have the authority to make the change for the betterment of the league without ratification, and i did in this case. The owner can now drop Kaeding and pick up another kicker and any other owner can make pickups as long as the player hasn't played yet. Just common sense, and with no dissention from the rest of the league, either.

 

[kutta]

I agree I don't like the rule, but the guy should not be able to pick up a kicker. Rules are rules.

We get around some dumb kicker things like this by playing a team kicker instead of an individual. That way if your kicker gets hurt, you still get the points that the backup guy gets. It prevents people from having to carrying two kickers and getting screwed like this.

IMO 'bad' rules made just because the host site does not have a straightforward process to achieve a more logical outcome can and should be put to a discussion and ratification vote even at this point of the season, now that the commissioner is aware of the required fix. It makes no sense living with this 'bad rule' all season and then having this 'bad rule' affect a match outcome come play-off time. This is a 'dumb thing' that has an fix. There is no reason not to correct this pronto for the betterment of the whole league. See my post above.

You can't change it right now. There are probably teams carrying two kickers to avoid any of these types of problems. Changing it now is really unfair to them.If you want to change it after this week's games, then fine. But you can't change it now.

Who says that you can't change it now??? You do not know his league's bylaws, so you cannot say that. Most leagues DO have provisions to make fixes like this midseason if required for the betterment of the league. YOU might vote against it, but the commissioner probably CAN request the change immediately and the rest of the league can ratify it.

Even better, in my league, as commish, I have the authority to make the change for the betterment of the league without ratification, and i did in this case. The owner can now drop Kaeding and pick up another kicker and any other owner can make pickups as long as the player hasn't played yet. Just common sense, and with no dissention from the rest of the league, either.

Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure to avoid playing in leagues where you are the commish.I'm glad it worked out for you.

 

[Bill]

I would never play i a league with you as commish either. You should never change the rules mid season!

 

[Sea Duck]

I would never play i a league with you as commish either. You should never change the rules mid season!

That's like saying "You should never implement a rule that is voted for by the majority of your league."

 

[Chazzhawk]

I would never play i a league with you as commish either. You should never change the rules mid season!

That's like saying "You should never implement a rule that is voted for by the majority of your league."

You can change rules mid season, IF and only IF all the owners agree.

 

[madd futher]

I would never play i a league with you as commish either. You should never change the rules mid season!

That's like saying "You should never implement a rule that is voted for by the majority of your league."

You can change rules mid season, IF and only IF all the owners agree.

Why do you insist on idiotically projecting YOUR OPINIONS on somebody else's league. If the league Bylaws allow for a rule change with only a majority vote, or a 60% vote, then that is all that is required. If the bylaws say that a commissioner can make a common sense settings change for the good of the league BEFORE there is a more significant problem, then he can and should do it.

If the Bylaws say that the ratification requirement needs to be 100%, then that is what is needed.

But unless you have been voted to be the National Governor of All Things Fantasy Football, then the individual league bylaws govern the situation, and your opinion on this means didley squat.

 

[kutta]

I would never play i a league with you as commish either. You should never change the rules mid season!

That's like saying "You should never implement a rule that is voted for by the majority of your league."

You can change rules mid season, IF and only IF all the owners agree.

Why do you insist on idiotically projecting YOUR OPINIONS on somebody else's league. If the league Bylaws allow for a rule change with only a majority vote, or a 60% vote, then that is all that is required. If the bylaws say that a commissioner can make a common sense settings change for the good of the league BEFORE there is a more significant problem, then he can and should do it.

If the Bylaws say that the ratification requirement needs to be 100%, then that is what is needed.

But unless you have been voted to be the National Governor of All Things Fantasy Football, then the individual league bylaws govern the situation, and your opinion on this means didley squat.

This is the problem. Especially when the commish is a player in the league.No need to be so defensive. A lot of us believe that changing rules in mid-season, no matter what the rule, is wrong. You don't. That's fine.

Some of us wouldn't play in a league where that's allowed to happen. You would. That's fine.

No need to get all worked up.

 

[The Squeaky Wheel]

Can't change it for this week, but after this week you can amend it for all future weeks. My leagues have waivers on Wed night and Fri night. Good system that seems to work.

 

[Pipes]

That's the risk you run by having only one kicker. I agree the waiver rules are dumb but since they are in place everyone must abide by them. Put me in the camp that rules should not be changed midsession.

 

[da_budman]

The reason any rule change during the season SHOULD be unanimous (or not changed) is that every rule change has the potential to affect one player differently than another. So in this case what if the majority of teams have only 1 kicker and thus want the rules changed but the teams who have more than 1 have prepared for a sudden injury by carrying 2 kickers. Is it fair to the teams who have 2 kickers to change it when they have been able to roster an extra player all this time but run the risk of what has just happened happening? There is good reason for making rule changes unanimous during the season.

 

[Sarnoff]

Wow, madd, what a corrupt commish.

 

[Cunk]

That's the risk you run by having only one kicker. I agree the waiver rules are dumb but since they are in place everyone must abide by them. Put me in the camp that rules should not be changed midsession.

I agree. This is why you have backups. Having a kicker declared out is very rare but you have to suffer the consequences if you choose to only have one in your league. Can't change the rules now.

 

[inca911]

It's a bad rule that should have been changed for 2012. But you shouldn't change it now unless the majority of owners approve it.

In-season rule changes should require unanimous approval, not a simple majority.If everyone agrees to the change, there is no downside.With a simple majority, you can have "losers" from the vote, which is the easiest way to kill a league.

 

[bengalbuck]

Wow, madd, what a corrupt commish.

I play in a bunch of leagues with a bunch of different commissioners and madd is the best commish of any of the leagues...I do agree that there shouldn't be any substantive rule changes during the season (scoring, etc.). But tweaking waivers to make them conform to the spirit of the rules (players lock when their game starts) if the other owners agree is hardly a substantive change. It just makes sense if you are going to have an FCFS portion of waivers after the bidding process for players to lock guys only after they have played their game. You can't add/drop the Thursday guys after kickoff, but I think it makes sense to be able to add/drop Sunday guys on Friday/Saturday. Hard to imagine how that type of rule change harms competitive balance or hurts any particular franchise. It is 100% neutral... You were able to add/drop Sunday guys up to gametime for the first 10 weeks of last season. Why should the Thursday game have any impact on that and lead to a major change in the waiver system? The Thursday gae doesn't impact the Sunday guys at all....Seems like common sense to me.

 

[Sarnoff]

Wow, madd, what a corrupt commish.

But tweaking waivers to make them conform to the spirit of the rules (players lock when their game starts) if the other owners agree is hardly a substantive change.

Madd said:

Even better, in my league, as commish, I have the authority to make the change for the betterment of the league without ratification, and i did in this case.

So he's not acting like you said. He's acting like a corrupt commish.