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Commish Overturn this trade? (1 Viewer)

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kbleck

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12 Team League

Keep 2 players every year

Draft next year worst record gets 1st pick

Standard scoring 4pts Pass TD, 6pts Rush/Rec

.5pt PPR

Start QB, RB, RB, WR,WR,WR, TE, K, D/ST

Here are the two teams in question and the players are ranked in order by total points

Team A Roster (Points/Bye Week) Record is 1-6

QB's

Manning, Peyton - 115.42 /6

Griese, Brian - 73.92 /9

RB's

James, Edgerrin 94.80 / 8

Bush, Reggie - 85.30 / 4

Jones, Kevin - 47.50 / 6

Taylor, Fred - 38.80 / 4

WR's

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR (Q *) 120.50 9

Cotchery, Jerricho - 82.10 / 10

Toomer, Amani - 60.70 / 9

Randle El, Antwaan - 53.30 / 4

Battle, Arnaz - 51.00 / 6

TE'S

Clark, Dallas - 89.00 / 6

Watson, Ben - 62.30 / 10

Team B Roster (Points/Bye Week) Record is 3-4

QB's

Garcia, Jeff - 96.16 / 10

Brees, Drew - 67.56 / 4

Culpepper, Daunte - 59.70 / 5

RB's

Barber, Marion - 106.20 / 8

Addai, Joseph - 94.90 / 6

Chatman, Jesse - 29.40 / 9

Fargas, Justin - 33.90 / 5

Washington, Leon - 33.70 / 10

WR's

Owens, Terrell - 103.10 / 8

Engram, Bobby - 75.80 / 8

Berrian, Bernard - 69.30 / 9

Ward, Hines - 33.30 / 6

Gonzalez, Anthony - 24.30 / 6

TE's

Heap, Todd BAL TE (D) 35.60 / 8

Miller, Zach OAK TE 23.90 / 5

As commish I have never veto'd a trade in 7 years of this league but there are 5 new guys in this league this year and 2 new people are involved here.

I looked at the transactions and Team B offered:

Brees, Addai, Ward for Manning, Bush, Burress

Team A rejected that trade and countered with

Manning, Edge, Burress for Brees, Addai Ward.

Team B has made stupid trade offers to everyone in the league including me (he offered me Barber for ADP)

I dont play either of these teams for the rest of the year and neither of them are in my division. However I have to keep the integrity of the league in tact and from the numbers of this trade it looks like Team A is ditching players. I would be fine with this if Team B offered future picks but this is just so lopsided I dont know what to do.

The two owners in question do not know each other personally and are not friends so I dont think it is collusion but do I step in here at all or do i just let it go?

The only assumption i can make for Team A is that he is going for the #1 pick next year and figured keeping Bush and Addai for next year was good enough for him and making his team as crappy as possible would insure some losses in the next 5 weeks. Team A could also be frustrated because he has lost 4 games by 1pt or less this year.

Thoughts?

 
that was way WAY to complicated to read thru for me, sorry man...

In general though, people value players differently, and the players you mentioned don't seem that far apart to me, I think you are overthinking it and should let people do what they want unless they are trading #2 recievers for top 5 recievers etc...

 
Actually, I can't see why you posted this... It seems not that unfair to me. Its personal opinion and who you think will do good for the second half etc.

 
1. If it is not collusion, don't veto.

kbleck said:
I looked at the transactions and Team B offered:Brees, Addai, Ward for Manning, Bush, BurressTeam A rejected that trade and countered with Manning, Edge, Burress for Brees, Addai Ward.
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2. As commish, why do you have the right to see what other offers have been made? If I was in the league I would have more of a problem with that.
 
i dont see anything terribly wrong with the deal addai has better long term value then edge and team a gave up the better qb and wr to get him. no way you should overturn this!

 
kbleck said:
JimboJim said:
kbleck said:
Thoughts?
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Let them do what they want; not your business.
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Well as commish i get emails from other owners saying things like BS!!!, WTF!!!! Especially from the guys in Team B's division.So as commish I have to look at it. So ya kinda my business.
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The bottom line is unless you can prove collusion, there is no reason to ever reject a trade two parties agree on because you value the players differently than they do.If this was LT for Ben Obamanu, you might want to do a little investigating and see what is going on.However, Peyton/Edge/Plax for Brees/Addai/Ward <> collusion or even a significantly lopsided trade, IMO.Please show me some proof, or even strong evidence, that one set of players will outperform the other for the rest of the season and beyond (keeper league).Don't let other owners pressure you into making a weak decision.
 
Doesn't seem that outrageous to me. For that matter, neither did ADP for Barber - in the six head to head weeks that both have played, they have split 3-3. ADP had that one monster game, but Barber has been a reliable scorer.

 
seems relatively even to me as well FWIW

Do NOT veto this trade........... to me that only way to veto the trade is if the collussion is obvious.. that is not the case. Good for Team B he was able to make a trade to help himself; the other guys should quit whinning and figure out how to make trades to improve their teams.

 
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Regardless of how you feel about the trade, unless there are league rules govenering the amount of trades per week or per season, this is not a call for the commissioner.

You as Commissioner may look at a trade and say, " God thats stupid". Your personal opinion is irrelavant. Unless league rules speak to trades or roster moves......let the owners be owners. They "own" the team and thus have a right (unless league rules prevent it) to trade their entire roster if they want to.

 
Thanks for the help guys, I hear what you are all saying.

The only thing in the rules that we have that talks about this is the Sandbagging rule.

XII. Sandbagging - thowing games or a season for better draft position.

This is not allowed in this league. Each owner has the responsiblity of fielding their best team each week.

 
Defenze said:
Regardless of how you feel about the trade, unless there are league rules govenering the amount of trades per week or per season, this is not a call for the commissioner.

You as Commissioner may look at a trade and say, " God thats stupid". Your personal opinion is irrelavant. Unless league rules speak to trades or roster moves......let the owners be owners. They "own" the team and thus have a right (unless league rules prevent it) to trade their entire roster if they want to.
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kbleck said:
The two owners in question do not know each other personally and are not friends so I dont think it is collusion but do I step in here at all or do i just let it go?
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This should be the beginning and end of it. Everyone values players differently.
 
kbleck said:
Thanks for the help guys, I hear what you are all saying.The only thing in the rules that we have that talks about this is the Sandbagging rule.XII. Sandbagging - thowing games or a season for better draft position. This is not allowed in this league. Each owner has the responsiblity of fielding their best team each week.
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Added: Also since it is a keeper league I need to make sure the team that may be getting the bad end of a deal is intending on coming back next year with this roster. If someone is intending to bag it and just bail on the league that's kinda messed up for the me trying to find a new owner for his team.I dont think that will happen and I dont intend to veto this trade unless I can find issues like, Ill give you $30 if you trade me these players or something extreme like that.
 
kbleck said:
Thanks for the help guys, I hear what you are all saying.The only thing in the rules that we have that talks about this is the Sandbagging rule.XII. Sandbagging - thowing games or a season for better draft position. This is not allowed in this league. Each owner has the responsiblity of fielding their best team each week.
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I just dont think its fair for your personal opinion to decide they they are sandbagging. This is a fair enough trade.
 
benm3218 said:
kbleck said:
Thanks for the help guys, I hear what you are all saying.The only thing in the rules that we have that talks about this is the Sandbagging rule.XII. Sandbagging - thowing games or a season for better draft position. This is not allowed in this league. Each owner has the responsiblity of fielding their best team each week.
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I just dont think its fair for your personal opinion to decide they they are sandbagging. This is a fair enough trade.
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I didnt say it was my personal opinion that they were sandbagging, I just stated that the only rule in the bylaws was that sandbagging wasnt allowed. There is nothing about "Bad Trades" or all trades must be voted on, etc.I havent overturned anything....... geez..... I just wanted opinions on it......since i had 7/12 teams email me with BS!!!
 
It's obviousily lopsided if you only look at the season numbers but you have to look beyond that.

Team A's backup QB (Griese) has actually outperformed Manning lately plus Brees is capable of better numbers so he's not losing as much as you think at QB

Edge has not missed a game or had his bye while Addai has missed one game and had his bye giving Addai a much better average score per week. Team A is upgrading at RB plus it gives him a better keeper for next year.

Ward has basically played 3 full games and he's had his bye while Buress' still has his bye yet to come. Maybe Team A is worried about Burress' ankle. While the numbers for the WR appear to benefit Burress, in all of the leagues I'm in Ward was drafted before Burress so the potential is there.

I don't consider it lopsided and in fact think it's pretty even.

 
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kbleck said:
benm3218 said:
kbleck said:
Thanks for the help guys, I hear what you are all saying.The only thing in the rules that we have that talks about this is the Sandbagging rule.XII. Sandbagging - thowing games or a season for better draft position. This is not allowed in this league. Each owner has the responsiblity of fielding their best team each week.
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I just dont think its fair for your personal opinion to decide they they are sandbagging. This is a fair enough trade.
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I didnt say it was my personal opinion that they were sandbagging, I just stated that the only rule in the bylaws was that sandbagging wasnt allowed. There is nothing about "Bad Trades" or all trades must be voted on, etc.I havent overturned anything....... geez..... I just wanted opinions on it......since i had 7/12 teams email me with BS!!!
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Okay, not trying to pick on you.It is funny that all those owners were upset and not one of the posters here has thought it was worth a veto... I would create a league e-mail or a post if your website has that and explain that unless a trade is obviously horribly slanted and blatant cheating it will stand. That everyone has different opinions on players and as manager you will not interject personal opinions into veto decisions unless it obvious that cheating is going on.Maybe then you can squash this in the future.
 
kbleck said:
benm3218 said:
kbleck said:
Thanks for the help guys, I hear what you are all saying.

The only thing in the rules that we have that talks about this is the Sandbagging rule.

XII. Sandbagging - thowing games or a season for better draft position.

This is not allowed in this league. Each owner has the responsiblity of fielding their best team each week.
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I just dont think its fair for your personal opinion to decide they they are sandbagging. This is a fair enough trade.
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I didnt say it was my personal opinion that they were sandbagging, I just stated that the only rule in the bylaws was that sandbagging wasnt allowed. There is nothing about "Bad Trades" or all trades must be voted on, etc.

I havent overturned anything....... geez..... I just wanted opinions on it......since i had 7/12 teams email me with BS!!!
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I'm guessing that your league- much like my $$ league- doesn't have alot of trade activity. Everyone is so afraid of making a "wrong" trade that they pretty much sit pat. As for those owners with the "BS!!!" input? They only wish THEY made an offer instead of sitting on the sidelines.The problem with a non-specific "No Sandbagging" rule in a keeper league is who is to determine when an owner is "Sandbagging" or simply being realistic and putting themselves in the best possible position for next season?

 
kbleck said:
JimboJim said:
kbleck said:
Thoughts?
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Let them do what they want; not your business.
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Well as commish i get emails from other owners saying things like BS!!!, WTF!!!! Especially from the guys in Team B's division.So as commish I have to look at it. So ya kinda my business.
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You ask your owners if they want a "trade" league or not. If they want to trade you have to let trades go through, that is what it is about. This is a very easy concept.
 
Utter Chaos said:
It's obviousily lopsided if you only look at the season numbers but you have to look beyond that.Team A's backup QB (Griese) has actually outperformed Manning lately plus Brees is capable of better numbers so he's not losing as much as you think at QBEdge has not missed a game or had his bye while Addai has missed one game and had his bye giving Addai a much better average score per week. Team A is upgrading at RB plus it gives him a better keeper for next year.Ward has basically played 3 full games and he's had his bye while Buress' still has his bye yet to come. Maybe Team A is worried about Burress' ankle. While the numbers for the WR appear to benefit Burress, in all of the leagues I'm in Ward was drafted before Burress so the potential is there.I don't consider it lopsided and in fact think it's pretty even.
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:rolleyes: What he said, plus Addai's value as a keeper has to be considered. The anti-tanking rule does not mean team A cannot consider the value of a top RB as a keeper in the trade. Plus, Brees and Ward are obvious candidates to rebound in the second half of the season. Team A with Bush and Addai as keepers plus the first pick in the draft is trying to set himself up for next year, now that he's had some bad breaks that make the playoffs less likely this year. It does not look remotely collusive.
 
kbleck said:
JimboJim said:
kbleck said:
Thoughts?
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Let them do what they want; not your business.
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Well as commish i get emails from other owners saying things like BS!!!, WTF!!!! Especially from the guys in Team B's division.So as commish I have to look at it. So ya kinda my business.
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He didn't mean you specifically. He meant fellow competitors generally.While I appreciate the necessity to keep the league populated, get rid of the complainers.
 
I'm not even sure who the OP thinks is getting over on the trade. In most leagues, I know that Addai's trade value will be much higher next year than anyone else being considered here, including Manning.

 
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another worthless thread

DO NOT MICRO - MANAGE someone else ROSTER ...

unless there is collusion .. DO NOT VETO ANYTHING

you dont tell another man how to act in his own house . and the last time i checked everyone is able to have their own opinion on players

this thread is sad ..

 
kbleck said:
JimboJim said:
kbleck said:
Thoughts?
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Let them do what they want; not your business.
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Well as commish i get emails from other owners saying things like BS!!!, WTF!!!! Especially from the guys in Team B's division.So as commish I have to look at it. So ya kinda my business.
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No it's not, unless you want it to be. Grow a pair. Sounds like you are intimidated by the other owners. Tell them to back off and let others manage their team. They may not like it, but they'll respect it, and it sets the correct precedent.
 
I haven't looked at remaining bye weeks but is that an issue and maybe they are pulling something to cover that? And then turn around and trade some stupid stuff back.

It's a weird trade if you ask me but some people see some different things.

 
Thanks for asking.. Somethings do not look reasonable. However.. I'll quote UChoas and say - I don't consider it lopsided and in fact think it's pretty even.

Do as you feel is best.. And remember that your main reasponsiblity to manage the league activities ~and~ act for the good of the group. That said, one of the enjoyable options for members is player trades. You should only investigate 'Something-for-Nothing' transactions.

 
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As a commish myself I keep my nose out of things when it comes to trades etc. Fact is if 2 players agree on players who am I to tell them no? Mind you we have had the same managers for past 3-4 years so all are trusted. I still see some weird trades for certain players but its a keeper, so alot of youth gets passed around.

PS. I dont see a problem with the trade.

 
I'd be more concerned with your judgement as a commish. You act like this was Brady for Cleo Lemon. Each owner has his own idea of the value of the player... your "sandbagging" rule doesn't apply here... it appears you may be a weak commish and your "owners" are pushing you around... maybe they can get you to change some rules mid-season.

Also, way wrong for you to be looking at trades you aren't involved in... are you the commish or the fantasy voyeur???

As for the trade itself... no problems there...

 
kbleck said:
Team A rejected that trade and countered with

Manning, Edge, Burress for Brees, Addai Ward.

Team B has made stupid trade offers to everyone in the league including me (he offered me Barber for ADP)

I dont play either of these teams for the rest of the year and neither of them are in my division. However I have to keep the integrity of the league in tact and from the numbers of this trade it looks like Team A is ditching players. I would be fine with this if Team B offered future picks but this is just so lopsided I dont know what to do.

The two owners in question do not know each other personally and are not friends so I dont think it is collusion but do I step in here at all or do i just let it go?

The only assumption i can make for Team A is that he is going for the #1 pick next year and figured keeping Bush and Addai for next year was good enough for him and making his team as crappy as possible would insure some losses in the next 5 weeks. Team A could also be frustrated because he has lost 4 games by 1pt or less this year.

Thoughts?
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TEAM A OFFERED: (with week 8 stats)Manning - 14 for 30, 255 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

James - bye

Burress - 2 catches, 14 yards, 0 TD

TEAM B OFFERED:

Brees - 31 for 39, 336 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT

Addai - 23 carries, 100 yards, 2 TD (edit to add 2 catches, 9 yards, 1 TD)

Ward - 8 catches, 88 yards, 2 TD

You're right. This trade clearly appears to be one-sided. :goodposting:

Team A is doing a lousey job of going for the #1 pick. I know it's only 1 week but this is a great example of why trades shouldn't be vetoed just because they look lopsided.

 
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You have to consider that two of the players Team B is trading are coming off of injuries, thus lowering their respective values. Brees seems to be returning to form, so B is trying to sell high.

Not a veto IMO.

 
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