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Commish question - is this trade vetoable? (1 Viewer)
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Twilight
Footballguy
Nate
Footballguy
IMO, this is clear collusion. Run, don't walk, to your commissioner and get this trade vetoed. The competitive integrity of your league is at stake!!!
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Dynasty?
Edited to add: Already answered. Kinda fishy in a redraft, but oh well. Not going to win the league with Marv and Jamal. Also, does the owner trading FOR Leon have Thomas Jones on his roster?
Edited to add: Already answered. Kinda fishy in a redraft, but oh well. Not going to win the league with Marv and Jamal. Also, does the owner trading FOR Leon have Thomas Jones on his roster?
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It all depends on the league IMO.
In a redraft where punt/kick returners don't get rewarded for TD's and 4 point passing Td's, I don't think the trade is close to fair.
In a dynasty league where there's 6 point passing TD's and you get credit for punt return yardage and/or Td's, I actually like the young QB and special teams ace.
In a redraft where punt/kick returners don't get rewarded for TD's and 4 point passing Td's, I don't think the trade is close to fair.
In a dynasty league where there's 6 point passing TD's and you get credit for punt return yardage and/or Td's, I actually like the young QB and special teams ace.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
Totally agree. How in the heck did you end up with that team? It would be comical to see how lopsided the 12 teams are...
goldenchild
Footballguy
I don't see the big deal here?
blake
Footballguy
both good posts. no team is going to win a league with harrison and lewis. but it would help to know what team thomas jones is on...if he is on either of these teams. might even be helpful to post both teams' rosters?that said, all of the guys in my fantasy league are my friends...collusion just because they are trading together is pretty hard to do.
tomarken
Footballguy
There's no way the team in your sig is real.
Anyway, that trade is pretty terrible. But I'm against vetoing trades in general, and this trade isn't egregious enough that I would shoot it down. Maybe they guy thinks Matt Ryan is set to explode, and Harrison and Lewis are old and washed up. Maybe he's an FBG subscriber and noticed that ATL QB's and NYJ RB's have some of the easiest strength of schedules for the remainder of the season, while CLE RB's and IND WR's have some of the hardest.
You can talk to the owners, explain why you don't think it's a fair deal, maybe encourage them to renegotiate or something, but I don't think you can veto it. It's not your job to evaluate player values for other owners. Without any other details, it's not OBVIOUS collusion to the detriment of the league, which IMO is the only justification for veto.
Anyway, that trade is pretty terrible. But I'm against vetoing trades in general, and this trade isn't egregious enough that I would shoot it down. Maybe they guy thinks Matt Ryan is set to explode, and Harrison and Lewis are old and washed up. Maybe he's an FBG subscriber and noticed that ATL QB's and NYJ RB's have some of the easiest strength of schedules for the remainder of the season, while CLE RB's and IND WR's have some of the hardest.
You can talk to the owners, explain why you don't think it's a fair deal, maybe encourage them to renegotiate or something, but I don't think you can veto it. It's not your job to evaluate player values for other owners. Without any other details, it's not OBVIOUS collusion to the detriment of the league, which IMO is the only justification for veto.
blake
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Is it a money league? If so, veto. They are colluding for
bigfoamfinger
Footballguy
Based on your sig that it is a 12 team league where you need to start 2 quarterbacks, I can see how Ryan is worth more. I play in a league that also starts 2 qbs and with bye weeks and injuries, even the really bad quarterbacks are better than taking a zero. All back ups are drafted and any that was not that gets a start costs the team about 30% of their FA budget for the year.
I can't see how this is an issue.
If you have proof it involved collusion, don’t bother with over turning a trade, kick them out of the league. If you don’t have proof, than ……………….
I can't see how this is an issue.
If you have proof it involved collusion, don’t bother with over turning a trade, kick them out of the league. If you don’t have proof, than ……………….
face value, it "looks alittle off"but after looking at your sig...I'll assume we're talking the same league and that:
-it's a 12 teamer
-it's a "start 2QB" league
if so.....trade stands
Lewis was drafted highest of these, obviously, but is about to have Quinn take over and this just might be his "highest value" moving forward
Indy/Manning clearly aren't the same team/player as seasons past--'Lil Gonzo has surpassed Marvin
Ryan is 'startable' in a 12 teamer, espicially w/the bye weeks approaching and 2 of the next 3 w/6 teams off--he is QB21 in my dynasty league scoring
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Nope, the other owner does not have Thomas Jones. FYI - The commish just vetoed part of the trade - he allowed Harrison for Ryan. And offered an opportunity for the GM to explain his situation, but then the GM just started calling the commish gay and useless, then he dropped all his players. The commish has locked his roster and will be setting it for this GM based on teh players weekly rankings so that no one gets a free win.
fsufan
Footballguy
terrible job by the commish. it is not his job to run other owners teams.
fsufan
Footballguy
it is a $ league
No, it is not a money league, but it is VERY competitive. Lots of competitive GMs.
blake
Footballguy
agreed, but a blessing in disguise to get that scum out of the league.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Terrible job by the commish and good for the GM.
OU#1
Footballguy
If it isn't even a money league then it really isn't worth arguing over. I hate free leagues because nobody really cares since there is nothing to lose and nothing to gain. If you involve money, even piddly money, the league suddenly becomes competitive. Bragging rights and trash talking are only worth so much.
ctriopelle
Footballguy
As a commish for many years running, this trade should never have been questioned. Collusion should only be considered in deals like ADP for RB65 where ADP was on a bottom feeder and RB65 was on a very strong team. Early in the season people can have hunches that they want to act on. As prior posters noted, both Harrison and Lewis are recognized names that are really just shells of their former selves. Ryan has the potential to be pretty good, and has shown some numbers already. Maybe he fizzles, maybe he doesn't, but that's not for the commish to call. I was in a league several years ago where the commish vetoed what he and half the league felt was a horrible trade, and at the end of the year, it turned out that the guy on the "bad end" would have probably made the playoffs if the trade was allowed, since his "superior player" eventually got hurt, and the "scrub" turned in a career year and ended up starting on the team he was left on. We all have our reasons for wanting players, and there are a lot of differing opinions on how someone is going to perform. As commish, I'm not going to pass judgment on those opinions
Finally, it wasn't even a money league. Not much incentive to collude there, because even if you did, all the smack talk would fall on deaf ears since everyone would consider you a cheater anyway. Most people may be tempted to cheat for a wad of cash, but bragging rights when you get called a cheater is kinda pointless.
Finally, it wasn't even a money league. Not much incentive to collude there, because even if you did, all the smack talk would fall on deaf ears since everyone would consider you a cheater anyway. Most people may be tempted to cheat for a wad of cash, but bragging rights when you get called a cheater is kinda pointless.
teamramrod
Footballguy
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Most best friends have about the same level of intelligence,
unless this is a "Of Mice and Men" Lenny kind of relationship.
In a free league like this, I think the fruit for trash talk would have been worth stomaching it.
If a bad trade goes through like this in my friends league, just the entertainment of calling on an explanation can be fun. I keep it to football, but a phone call to make sure they aren't too sore is usually standard.
unless this is a "Of Mice and Men" Lenny kind of relationship.
In a free league like this, I think the fruit for trash talk would have been worth stomaching it.
If a bad trade goes through like this in my friends league, just the entertainment of calling on an explanation can be fun. I keep it to football, but a phone call to make sure they aren't too sore is usually standard.
If it is VERY competitive, why did they let you have 6 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft?
I had a VERY good draft, and traded depth for upgrades to my starting roster.
apalmer
Footballguy
Then I'd guess several of your trades were more lopsided than this one. I think you need to have them retroactively vetoed.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Yeah, your league's VERY competitive, yet you're able to get at least 6 top 30 players, in a redraft. You're obviously an astute owner, the others, don't appear to be.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more and the original poster should not take offense to it. As a matter of fract, it is a compliment to his ability if anything. You (and all of us at one time) find out at some point that once you arrive at FBGs, you just become too good for the competition you played with before joining FBGs. That happens to everyone. Your knowledge grows once you become a FBG and you wind up having dominant teams like the one you have now. You may think the league is competitive because it probably has been, but you seriously gain so much more knowledge once you "arrive" that you become too good for the standard free leagues. You may not realize it now, but trust me, you will when you play in more competitive leagues, especially if there are other FBG members in them. Another thing that changes is the idea of trade vetoes. Once you get in better leagues, the idea of the commish or other owners running your team by using vetoes gets old in a hurry. That's why the majority of fantasy players usually say, "no collusion, no veto". That's really the only right answer. FYI, the trade is not one that should be vetoed, especially in a 2 QB league.
not the commish of this one, but I looked at it as if I wereAB seconds the thought process, but the way it was handled and then the reaction of the owner involved would have me heading to the hills
I mean, WTF...how do you veto part of a trade?
lmFAoclearly it is.
