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Commissioner fail or overreaction? (1 Viewer)
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The Kerminator
Footballguy
during a mnf game with a questionable player from say kc you could drop a player at the end of your bench and pick up another player from kc to hedge your bet. You can't do that with a whole team postponed.
All I'm saying is a commissioners job is tough enough during a normal year. I've commissioned for 20 plus years. At the beginning of the year we put in place all the rules we could anticipate. But I also asked for everyone's patience as this year there may be changes that we didn't anticipate and we may kind of have to make it up as we go along. I didn't have one owner object. I also enacted in our league today the same rule of a contingency player without a league vote and asked for league feedback. I didn't get a single objection because we have quality owners with the right priorities.
Agree entirely, but this year with the rule change I do think having good backups becomes more critical. You get by byes and now potential cancels. Seems were split 50/50 in the voting which basically reflects how difficult this one is. Thanks for the feedback.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Boom. Exactly.
ETA, being a Commissioner is so much better having understanding owners who appreciate that we are doing the best we can, listen to everyone and don't question every freaking move we make
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Thats the feedback I was looking for thanks. I would say the difference here was no feedback was requested by the commissioner and the idea of a vote was pushed on pretty hard until multiple people in the league complained. I would also note this is a very high cost winner take all league ($7500) so perhaps people are a bit more wound then the typical 100-500 ones. The league vote is currently heavily against for what its worth.
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The Kerminator
Footballguy
here is what I find is a problem with a league vote. 40% of the owners don't vote because they don't give a crap one way or the other. 25% will vote yes because it benefits them. 25% will vote no because that would benefit them. And the remaining 10% will just complain one way or the other
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Right, I'll put some rule changes up for vote prior to the season and usually will never make any changes mid-season. This is one of those unpredictable years where you couldn't really think of everything.
bostonfred
Footballguy
2020 sucks. Being a commish sucks. Being a commish in 2020 really sucks. Nobody looks forward to dealing with this crap and all the arguing and complaining, and your commish had to make a decision on a Saturday when they didn't plan to spend their time on making sure you were happy with their decision.
This is a tiny issue. Arguments can be made either way, amd what hurts you a little today might help you a lot next week so it's not even certain that you are getting "screwed" here.
Let. It. Go.
This is a tiny issue. Arguments can be made either way, amd what hurts you a little today might help you a lot next week so it's not even certain that you are getting "screwed" here.
Let. It. Go.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
and the remaining 20% dont check their email until next Thursday. Sometimes a decision needs to be made. You put the commissioner in place for a reason. You said you trust him
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Imo if there's a vote it should be simple majority to overturn the commish decision, not majority to implement. Otherwise the commish could never handle emergency situations and that's a bad idea.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
exactly. At the end of the year we always ask for rule suggestions/improvements and take a vote. If something comes up during the year we vote on it at the end of the year and implement it next year.
But this year is different for some reason. Be flexible and patient. We are all learning as we go
bostonfred
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
It's also about being much more mature than you are.
And not changing the rules right in the middle without discussion or notice.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Yes. If the commish can't get even that many votes, it's not really much of a good choice, is it?
Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
Mixed feelings here. I think you have to respect the Commish's decision and just roll with it.
That being said, I have not changed any rules that we didn't agree on before the season....yet
That being said, I have not changed any rules that we didn't agree on before the season....yet
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
The votes are pretty much 50/50 so far here. Kind of what I would expect to see.
When it's that close and I think it would be that close in a lot of leagues, I don't think the Commish should overmanage it. Play with the rules that you have in place. You can't make everyone happy either way and changing rules is a bigger deal than just rolling with the issues.
That being said, respect your Commish's decision regardless of what you believe here.
When it's that close and I think it would be that close in a lot of leagues, I don't think the Commish should overmanage it. Play with the rules that you have in place. You can't make everyone happy either way and changing rules is a bigger deal than just rolling with the issues.
That being said, respect your Commish's decision regardless of what you believe here.
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This is my biggest issue with league wide votes. Most people typically vote based on what is currently best for the. Individually rather than what is best for the co.petitive balance for the league.
As a commmish I started the ground work for the backup provision as soon as there were grumblings about Pit/Ten. There were no complaints as everyone could see where a late cancelation after games had been played which then limits the ability to change your lineup for a team that is essentially on bye. This is not a player getting injured in pre game warm-ups on MNF. This is a team getting an unforseen bye week. This is why having a backup player provision makes sense and is not an advantage or disadvantage for anybody.
We removed the option of the backup for the Pit/Ten game because the game was cancelled in time for people to alter their lineup normally as if the teams are on bye. The provision is allowed for KC/NE because as of now the game is on but if it gets cancelled tomorrow it is a problem for the entire league as teams will be without players giving advantages to teams that aren't affected. It messes with the competitive balance and that is the real issue and why the backup provision makes sense. There is no advantage for the team losing players because they then get to start an inferior player (if they weren't inferior you would have started them in the first place).
It also isn't a type of rule change that severely changes the league by a mid season change. Its not like now saying you can start 3 qb's and no rb's. This is a very specific situation that may not even come into play. If the KC/NE game is played as expected then nothing at all changes rules wise. I really don't see where there should be any objection to this rule regardless of when it was introduced.
I also think the poll is misleading the way it is written. In general I agree rules should not change mid season however occasionally there may be things that come up that could lead to a rule change that makes sense.
To me this is one of those times. It is a rule that helps keep the competitive balance by not hurting some teams by things completely out of the control of the owner.
To me this is one of those times. It is a rule that helps keep the competitive balance by not hurting some teams by things completely out of the control of the owner.
I guess I am not sure why not. If the games are played then essentially there is no change. The team gets the players they started just like anybody else. If the game ends up going on
"bye" then the team gets the players they would have played if they announced the game was on bye like they did for the Pit/Ten game. There really is no advantage to the team that needs to use the backups and in fact it is a disadvantage because they couldn't use their preferred starters.
It doesn't change any structure of the league and ensures that teams don't play players on bye because the league made a last minute change. It is really an alteration that improves the overall competitiveness of the league as a whole.
To me this is what the Commish is supposed to do for their leagues........make decisions for the best interest of the entire league when unforeseen items come up. This is one of those times.
Chemical X
Footballguy
in order for me to give the best advise possible here, i’m gonna have to see all roosters and maybe the top 50 available FA. then and only then could i make a recommendation.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I voted No Rule Change.
We all knew this was a possibility, and it should have been discussed prior to the season. I brought this up in both leagues that I commish and it was not voted in. Doing so now, without going through the owners would be wrong. As commish, and this not being approved prior to the season, would not bring it up for a vote.
We all knew this was a possibility, and it should have been discussed prior to the season. I brought this up in both leagues that I commish and it was not voted in. Doing so now, without going through the owners would be wrong. As commish, and this not being approved prior to the season, would not bring it up for a vote.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
as commish, i enacted this exact rule. i do have tyreek, so it was self centered.
i lost
i lost
That is a different situation as your league was smart enough to anticipate this situation and discussed how to handle it. You guys decided not to do anything (which is fine). That being the case it shouldn't even be a discussion at this point.
However, if your league did not anticipate this particular issue and therefore did not discuss it.......as a commish you owe it to the league to at least bring it up and address it in some way.
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