Commissioner Question (1 Viewer)

[mlichty]

I have a general question that I would like your opinion about. Not sure if I am in the correct area but here we go anyway.

I am in a dynasty league and the following happened and I would greatly appreciate some opinions.

I received a league email at 8:36 that TE M. Lewis was dropped (by the league commish)

I attempt to log into the website and I am unable to get into the site. After 1/2 hour of attempting to access the website I decide to email the Commish if he could make the move for me and drop TE Pope and pickup TE Lewis for me (9:02). I advise him of the problems I am having logging into the site and get no response from commish. He then makes a roster move and reclaims TE Lewis and drops a different player (9:29).

At 9:50 I get an email from the commish that he read an update that Lewis was playing again and he decided to pick him up. He claims that he did not get my email until after he reclaimed Lewis.

Do I have any case that I should be awarded Lewis since I did email the commish of the league and advised him of the comp problems and asked him to make the move 1/2 hour before he was reclaimed by commish? Why does the commish get a discount in this league this is his job correct?

Or am I out of luck since my computer was unable to access that site (I was on other sites but could not get into that one)?

 

[CrossEyed]

Pretty tough to prove that he got your e-mail before he made the second move. This is one of the reasons I like a 24 hour waiting period after a player is dropped and specific waiver orders for teams.

 

[mlichty]

Pretty tough to prove that he got your e-mail before he made the second move. This is one of the reasons I like a 24 hour waiting period after a player is dropped and specific waiver orders for teams.

This is a full time FCFS league.Does it matter what time I emailed my request to the commish?

 

[Pantherz]

Any commish I know that has time stamped info where you asked to acquire the player before he re-acquired the player should go in and make the changes and add him to your roster. Have you asked him to look at the time on the e-mail yet?

 

[pinequick]

I have a general question that I would like your opinion about. Not sure if I am in the correct area but here we go anyway.I am in a dynasty league and the following happened and I would greatly appreciate some opinions.I received a league email at 8:36 that TE M. Lewis was dropped (by the league commish)I attempt to log into the website and I am unable to get into the site. After 1/2 hour of attempting to access the website I decide to email the Commish if he could make the move for me and drop TE Pope and pickup TE Lewis for me (9:02). I advise him of the problems I am having logging into the site and get no response from commish. He then makes a roster move and reclaims TE Lewis and drops a different player (9:29).At 9:50 I get an email from the commish that he read an update that Lewis was playing again and he decided to pick him up. He claims that he did not get my email until after he reclaimed Lewis.Do I have any case that I should be awarded Lewis since I did email the commish of the league and advised him of the comp problems and asked him to make the move 1/2 hour before he was reclaimed by commish? Why does the commish get a discount in this league this is his job correct?Or am I out of luck since my computer was unable to access that site (I was on other sites but could not get into that one)?

M. Lewis vs. L. Pope is not going to win or lose you any FFL championships. Let this one slide.But in the future, email *everyone in your league* on a distribution list with your transaction (and the fact that you can't access the site, hence the email). That way, you've got "witnesses".

 

[suchislife]

Can you forward your email (from your sent mail) to him - which should indicate the time sent.

I agree with CrossEyed regarding a waiting period. In my league, we have a rule against re-aquiring any player for a period of 2 weeks.

 

[Archie Bunker]

If your e-mail is time stamped ahead of the commish's move by 1/2 hour, you should get the guy and the commish should be man enough to do the right thing.

What should you do? I think that depends a lot on the nature of your league. If it is a league of strangers, I'd raise bloody hell. If it is a bunch of friends and the commish has generally been above board, I might show a little more restraint and remind the commish that your request was 1/2 hour before he made his move.

 

[mlichty]

If your e-mail is time stamped ahead of the commish's move by 1/2 hour, you should get the guy and the commish should be man enough to do the right thing.What should you do? I think that depends a lot on the nature of your league. If it is a league of strangers, I'd raise bloody hell. If it is a bunch of friends and the commish has generally been above board, I might show a little more restraint and remind the commish that your request was 1/2 hour before he made his move.

****Starting with his last reply through the first email - names deleted****wow. i don't know what to tell you dude. I'm amazed you think you should get a player just because you sent an email to me. He's been on my roster since the draft, i dropped him, then saw news about him that was positive, and picked him right back up. You can post your gripe on the league boards, anywhere you want, but i've done NOTHING wrong. I'm entitled to pick up and drop my own players. And yes, i'm sorry your pc or connection didn't work, but that's hardly my fault. #### happens. I missed waivers in SUL2-8 this week because my desktop died. But i sure didn't have this attitude that i should get a player just because i THOUGHT i claimed him first. Are you sure you're not another player using a new handle? :( >From: <>>To: commish>Subject: RE: help?>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:28:07 -0700 (PDT)>>I am not saying that you looked at my email and quick went and picked him >up again.>> I do disagree with your position that since you didn't see my email that >it doesn't count. I emailed you almost 1/2 hour before you picked him up >again. The time on my email clearly is prior to your reclaiming him. If I >could get onto the ****ing site I would have him and that is the way it >should be. You dropped him and I claimed him - should equal your loss.>> You really do play by your own rules because your ruling is certainly does not seem fair.>> I would be interested to see how a forum post either at Antsports or at >footballguys would turn out. Do you think the majority would see it your way???? Are you willing to follow the majority opinion?>> I am done with this topic - I will not hound you any more about your decision but a forum topic would be interesting to me.>> Thanks>>commish> wrote:> I did not read your email until after i got online, saw that Lewis was healthy on the front page of FBG, immeidately went to pick him back up, and THEN looked at my hotmail and saw your message. So no, i'm not giving you Lewis.>>> >From: me> >To: commish> >Subject: RE: help?> >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:32:19 -0700 (PDT)> >> >So I take it that your official commissioner ruling is that even though I did put a claim in for Lewis approx 1/2 hour before you reclaimed him. (see timeline) That I am not going to be given Lewis?> > Lewis dropped at 8:36> > My note to you (commish) about picking him up 9:02> > You (commish) reclaiming him at 9:29> >> > I went to Antsports as soon as he was dropped and its not my fault that I am unable to access Antsports today. I tried for 1/2 hour before I> >emailed you.> >> > I just want your official ruling on this.> >> > The timing of my request means nothing?> >> > Thanks> >> >> >commish wrote:> > Well you've been wanting S.Parker. If i were you, i'd drop Campbell or> >whover you don't want and get him now while you still can. I'll do it for> >you if you need to, just let me know.> >> >> > >From: me> > >To: > > >Subject: RE: help?> > >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:15:55 -0700 (PDT)> > >> > >Consider today your lucky day.> > > You made the drop at 8:36 and from that time on I was trying to get >into the site.> > > I ended up sending you my original request by 9:02 after 1/2 hour of >not> > >being able to access the site. You then reclaimed him again at 9:29. > Don't you think you should give him to me since I did claim him from >the> >commish while he was a free agent.> > >> > > Whatever - I am ok with keeping Pope since I want to have the 2 TE's> > >> > > Thanks for getting back to me.------------> > >commish wrote:> > > I ended up dropping S.Parker (who i'm sure someone will want) and >picked> > >back up Lewis. I just read after dropping him earlier that he is no> >longer> > >on the injury report, and will play (per football guys) Sorry to have> > >teased> > >you. Would you like me to drop TE Pope for Samie Parker?> > >> > >> > > >From: > > > >To: > > > >Subject: help?> > > >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) 9:02 EASTERN TIME> > > >> > > >> > > >I saw that you dropped TE Lewis.> > > > I can't get onto Antsports today for whatever reason.> > > >> > > > As commish could you do a move for me? If he is still available.> > > > TE - Lewis - add> > > > TE - Pope - drop> > > >> > > > I would do the move but I cant get onto the siteI hope you were able to follow this it is somewhat messed up with the replies. I also do have the time stamped emails when the roster moves were made.Thanks for the replies

 

[pinequick]

Is this a league with friends or what?

 

[Pantherz]

Sorry dude. Not sorry that you didn't get Lewis, as I don't see it as a tremendously big deal, but that you're stuck in a Dynasty League with this clown as a commish. The commish should always try and do the right thing ESPECIALLY where it involves his own team.

 

[Angrymutt]

Your commish is totally buget. If e-mail pick-ups, drops, or trades have happened in the past, he needs to take a look and verify he got your e-mail. Even if he says he didn't but you can show him you sent it, that would work for me. If this is a league with buddies or has been around a bit, he's being clown and should let you have lewis. On another note, while lewis is suppose to be a stud sometime soon...he's really hasn't done much. I'm a commish, and i'd give him to you and pick up the next best thing.

2 cents.

 

[CrossEyed]

The more I think about this the more I think you should get Lewis. The commish is wrong on this one. It's not like you are saying that you would have claimed him if you knew about it. You knew about it, you tried on the site and then you notified him in a way that is verifiable that it was before he picked him back up.

Once again, the way to prevent this kind of stuff is to put a 24 or 48 hour waiver period on any dropped player. Then everyone gets to see who is out there and make a claim on him based on the waiver order. It's no longer a matter of who got there first.

 

[fatness king]

I'd say I'm mostly on your side on this one. I'd ask the commish/league to put waivers to a 24-hr waiting period. Saves us a lot of headaches for situations like this.

 

[mlichty]

Is this a league with friends or what?

No I don't know anyone in the league - I took over a team that the commish kicked out the previous owner for a disagreement. I didn't want the entire league to be screwed so I took over a bad team.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I have a general question that I would like your opinion about. Not sure if I am in the correct area but here we go anyway.I am in a dynasty league and the following happened and I would greatly appreciate some opinions.I received a league email at 8:36 that TE M. Lewis was dropped (by the league commish)I attempt to log into the website and I am unable to get into the site. After 1/2 hour of attempting to access the website I decide to email the Commish if he could make the move for me and drop TE Pope and pickup TE Lewis for me (9:02). I advise him of the problems I am having logging into the site and get no response from commish. He then makes a roster move and reclaims TE Lewis and drops a different player (9:29).At 9:50 I get an email from the commish that he read an update that Lewis was playing again and he decided to pick him up. He claims that he did not get my email until after he reclaimed Lewis.Do I have any case that I should be awarded Lewis since I did email the commish of the league and advised him of the comp problems and asked him to make the move 1/2 hour before he was reclaimed by commish? Why does the commish get a discount in this league this is his job correct?Or am I out of luck since my computer was unable to access that site (I was on other sites but could not get into that one)?

I'd say you have no case here. If you REALLY wanted this guy you should have called the commish personally. It looks more like sour grapes to me than anything else.Bottom line is you had a computer issue that isnt the commissioners fault. You are making him out to be a bad guy for trying to help out his own team. It's quite possible that he actually didnt see your email until after he picked the guy up. And even if he DIDNT, he's not REQUIRED to give you a break anyhow.I'd say act like an adult and realize that you dont always get everything you want. This might be a different story if you called the guy personally, but you didnt take the effort to do that. Electronic transmission isnt a guarranteed medium.

 

[mlichty]

M. Lewis vs. L. Pope is not going to win or lose you any FFL championships. Let this one slide.

But in the future, email *everyone in your league* on a distribution list with your transaction (and the fact that you can't access the site, hence the email). That way, you've got "witnesses".

Very good point

 

[mlichty]

I'd say you have no case here. If you REALLY wanted this guy you should have called the commish personally. It looks more like sour grapes to me than anything else.

Bottom line is you had a computer issue that isnt the commissioners fault. You are making him out to be a bad guy for trying to help out his own team. It's quite possible that he actually didnt see your email until after he picked the guy up. And even if he DIDNT, he's not REQUIRED to give you a break anyhow.

I'd say act like an adult and realize that you dont always get everything you want. This might be a different story if you called the guy personally, but you didnt take the effort to do that. Electronic transmission isnt a guarranteed medium.

I do not have any other contact information than PM (on the site that was not working for me) or email.

I do not have a phone number or I would have called.

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[mlichty]

Thank you for your replies. I did email this link to the commish so he can check out your replies. Maybe he will even add his own reply.

Thanks again

 

[Alberta Clipper]

I'm a commish of 4 different leagues and if I had a time stamped email I would honor it, especially if it involved my franchise.

That being said we're now into a he said/she said about when he saw it and you have no case. If this particular player was important enough to ruffle feathers in the league then you should have found another computer. I'm not sure if it was the league site that was down or your own computer. Emailing everyone would also have been a good idea or posting on a league message board if you have one.

Stuff like this can snowball quickly and I've learned the hard way to pick your battles/keep communication open to everyone, etc.

Good luck

 

[Marc Levin]

Suck it up.

1) p/u was not a major one.

2) you were trying to avoid the league software online b/c you couldn't get in - therefore, it sux 4 u.

3) I see the comish's point - why should he honor the date stamp of an e-mail to him when you can make moves through an online site, and he had no problems getting into the site and making moves - and you are NOT accusing him of shenanigans (like he saw your e-mail and THEN wanted to p/u the player again.

4) your e-mail is asking him a favor - not making an official, league-approved, WW p/u move.

IMO, sux for you

 

[Winston Wolfe]

If the SITE was having a problem, then you should get the player.

The fact that you sent an email leads me to believe there was a problem with the site.

 

[Third]

The commish doesn't have to do it, but he should. I don't understand guys that take it so seriously that they can't act decently in this type of situation. What's the big mystery? No, it's not his fault you had site problems, but since you could email the problem obviously was with antsports and not your computer. Don't see why it's so hard for some people to do the right thing even when it's not mandatory. On another note, so he kicked another guy out of the league because of a disagreement and now your surprised he's acting like a jerk?

Agree with all of those who said implement a waiting period after drops. Our RTS league has a 48-hour waiting period after all drops. Lame to let someone drop someone and then immediately pick them back up.

 

[dawgtrails]

There is no doubt you should get the player. Don't listen to these fantasy nazis that think everything is "too bad, better luck next time, blah blah."

You put in a request for the player before he did.

Someone said you should have called the commish?? Dude, this is the year 2006, nobody calls anyone anymore. This is why we have computers!

I would not send out my request list to the entire league like some have stated. That is dumb. Yeah, let everyone know who you are interested in. SO they can go look up someone they may have not thought of.

Forward the email, and his emails to everyone in the league. Highlight the time and date. Highlight his ridiculius responses.

I see why the other guy left the league. This guy is a TOOL!

 

[WisWolvrns]

depends on your league rules. if it states that the website if the only spot to perform waivers, lineups, etc... then the commissioner is in the right. if the rules allows owners to email the commissioner when the website is unavailable the commissioner is wrong.

however, allowing emails will open a pandora's box for the commissioner. since he could have 15 owners with varying waiver requests, emails, etc... anytime a glitch happens in the site or if some owners become too lazy to go to the site and just want to email instead.

the commissioner can't be both though. it needs to be either all through the web or allow emails, which are time stamped and acted upon in the order received. if he tries to allow some emails sometimes, it will lead to the perception of favoritism and slowly deteriorate the ownership of the league via petty arguments.

being in charge of a couple online leagues, we just keep everyone on the website. if you can't get in for whatever reason, there isn't much help the commissioner can give. the only exception is if you have a planned outage (like going out of town without a PC, etc...) and setup ahead of time with the commissioner that you will have to call in a lineup or waiver pickup. I have found it is necessary to keep things on the site to prevent 4-5 phone calls before kick off from owners just wanting to make a change when I am trying to set my own team's lineup...

 

[mlichty]

After I joined the league and paid my money I asked for a copy of the rules or a link where I could find the rules. I found out that there are no rules that are in writing. He told me to ask him if I have a problem or question. I find it hard to believe that a commish would have a money dynasty league and have no rules that can be checked when there is a problem. Is anyone else in a league where there are no rules to back up a commish decision?

He did offer to pickup another player for me so obviously he does do that kind of a move.

I do agree it is not that big of a thing - I figured that M. Lewis has a sooner and higher upside than Pope but I don't plan to give him any more crap about this. I sent a link to this discussion and I am sure he has checked it out.

Care to reply R?

It does make me very worried about the league and the future. He does seem like a nice enough guy but he does not seem to be very mature with handling things.

Thanks again for all the replies.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Sorry dude. Not sorry that you didn't get Lewis, as I don't see it as a tremendously big deal, but that you're stuck in a Dynasty League with this clown as a commish. The commish should always try and do the right thing ESPECIALLY where it involves his own team.

As a commish when a situation like this happens I ALWAYS err on the side of caution. If it is a significant issue I would ask another owner, one we both agree on, to decide.In this situation, if the e-mail was in his inbox, but he didnt read it till after he picked him up, he is a jerk.

 

[messinwithu]

It seems a little fishy to me that he drops Lewis and then wants to pick him up one hour later?

I always check and know who I am going to drop and make sure that I know his status before I make the cut.

You are getting screwed

Good luck with that loser as your commish.

 

[MOAT]

Most of the other commissioners are right here. The commish probably doesn't HAVE to give hime up but he should.

Since he's not going to I would get a posting out to the league asking for a clear ruling on how this should be handled. If you should get the player then you should get him. If not, then not.

Next week it might be another team that emails the commish about a player that you pick up. You'd hate to have the commish come back at you and take that player off you team.

You'll probably get screwed on this one but the big lesson is "Don't rejoin this league next year. The commish is a creep."

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Unless there is a specific written rule about transactions having to go through the web site, the commish should give you Lewis. I am a commish and if I was in the same situation, I would have awarded you Lewis without hesitation. The fact that he didn't check his e-mail until later doesn't invalidate your claim to the player - you put in your request for the player in a manner that, since there are no written rules against it, was completely legitimate and well ahead of his. Your commish is abusing his authority. If you feel strongly enough, you need to take this matter to the other league members. Otherwise, expect more of the same from that guy.

That being said, I would think twice about playing there next year in a league with a jerk for a commish and no written rules.

 

[Pantherz]

Suck it up.

1) p/u was not a major one.

2) you were trying to avoid the league software online b/c you couldn't get in - therefore, it sux 4 u.

3) I see the comish's point - why should he honor the date stamp of an e-mail to him when you can make moves through an online site, and he had no problems getting into the site and making moves - and you are NOT accusing him of shenanigans (like he saw your e-mail and THEN wanted to p/u the player again.

4) your e-mail is asking him a favor - not making an official, league-approved, WW p/u move.

IMO, sux for you

1) This I agree with, nothing major2) He wasn't "trying to avoid" anything. He couldn't get on the site so he did the next logical thing, e-mail it to the commish

3) No, he couldn't get on the site. It happens. And the fact that he's not accusing the commish of shenanigans just means he's being polite. It is certainly possible that he saw the e-mail THEN wanted to p/u the player again.

4) Sending the e-mail is making an official WW p/u move, and the fact that he worded it as asking a favor was probably just trying to keep it cordial instead of sounding demanding. He could have just said: Pick up M Lewis drop XYZ. Out.

The bottom line as a commisioner is to "get it right" if at all possible. This case is such an easy fix that it belongs in the no-brainer category. There are rare occasions that come up where there is no easy answer, but IMO this ain't one of them.

 

[suchislife]

I've always felt the number one priority for a commish is the integrity of the league - above all else. An owner has some trouble with the web site and does the next logical thing by emailing the commish. Its clear what this owner's intention was.

The commish needs to suck it up and do what's right for the league. And that is to honor this owner's request. For the commish to blow it off as "tough ####"...well, that just shows his integrity. Its clear he puts his team's needs above the league's.

 

[mojorizin]

Most important thing to me in this situation is that you took action to pick up the player. Would be obvious to me as commish that if you were capable of emailing and did so, that you would have picked up the player through the site 30 minutes before me had the site been functioning.

I would immediately post message to everyone that after finding evidence you took clear steps to claim player, I am awarding said player to your team.

I dont think its even a gray area.

This is also why I typically keep my waiver wire moves to a minimum and typically dont bid on free agents all that often. When I do bid, I immediately give a sealed bid to co-commish only to be opened when bidding is over. This way owners know I didnt make my bid after finding out theirs.

 

[TitusIII]

The site wasn't working (most important info in this whole situation), you requested the player before commish did. Any owner/individual siding with the commish is a tool/idiot/moron/#######/

 

[GregR_2]

So to summarize the critical part of the situation... the commish received the email before he made the claim, he just didn't know it was there.

I agree with those saying the commish should act out of the integrity that the commish position needs to maintain and award the player to you. This situation would be a lot easier to resolve though if you had rules handling transactions done through the commish.

I had a similar situation to this in the initial draft of a keeper league. We had a slow online draft and if your timer runs out, your pick is skipped until you mail it in. If someone takes your player before a commish (we have 3 co-commishes) sees your mail and gives you the player, tough, pick someone else.

I got back to the computer, saw I was up and picked TO in the 2nd. Then checked my email and there was a mail already there from a guy before me asking for TO for his skipped pick. If it had been any other team that had taken TO before I saw that mail I'd have told him he was SOL, which is what the rules said. Since it was me, I didn't want there to be even an impression there could have been improper behavior going on, so I told him we'd go ahead and pick a player for me with his pick to avoid messing up the draft, and then I'd trade TO to him for that player. He was equally fine with Moss and so just took him and kept him instead of doing the trade. But I think that was the right way to handle it for the good of the league. Even if it conceivably could have hurt my team, everyone could feel confident afterwards that the commish duties weren't being abused in any form.

 

[george]

Most important thing to me in this situation is that you took action to pick up the player. Would be obvious to me as commish that if you were capable of emailing and did so, that you would have picked up the player through the site 30 minutes before me had the site been functioning.

I would immediately post message to everyone that after finding evidence you took clear steps to claim player, I am awarding said player to your team.

I dont think its even a gray area.

This is also why I typically keep my waiver wire moves to a minimum and typically dont bid on free agents all that often. When I do bid, I immediately give a sealed bid to co-commish only to be opened when bidding is over. This way owners know I didnt make my bid after finding out theirs.

I agree with the above. I commish two leagues and you would get your player.Now, most importently. Someone (You) needs to draft a set of rules for this league. Can't believe a dynasty league doesn't have written rules. That is a disaster waiting to happen.

Good Luck

 

[Bri]

your computer prob not his, you were hoping to feast on his mistake and missed out. No biggie

 

[my man otis]

PC issues should NEVER be the reason someone can't make a move.

So i guess if it's a blackout i don't have to go to work or care that i'm late b/c my alarm clock didn't work?

if it's a free league i'd drop out now. don't rejoin next year regardless.

Email timestamp absolutely equals a move. the player should be yours w/o question.

i'm not surprised someone else left the league due to a disagreement.

 

[Lambert]

IF he actually saw your email first and THEN picked the guy up, that's a really sleazy move -- so much so that I wouldn't want to be in the league again after this season.

If he truly picked the guy back up BEFORE he saw your email, I'd say that's just tough luck for you. It might be the nice/friendly thing for him to let you have the guy, but unless there's some special rule in your league, emails aren't binding. Take a different situation: What if you had sent your email to the Commish, and then 30 minutes later, some 3rd team picked the guy up before the Commish read your email?? Would you expect the Commish to take the player away from the 3rd team to give to you just because you were having site access problems??

That's my $.02 for whatever it's worth.

 

[tarheel1unc]

After I joined the league and paid my money I asked for a copy of the rules or a link where I could find the rules. I found out that there are no rules that are in writing. He told me to ask him if I have a problem or question. I find it hard to believe that a commish would have a money dynasty league and have no rules that can be checked when there is a problem. Is anyone else in a league where there are no rules to back up a commish decision?He did offer to pickup another player for me so obviously he does do that kind of a move.I do agree it is not that big of a thing - I figured that M. Lewis has a sooner and higher upside than Pope but I don't plan to give him any more crap about this. I sent a link to this discussion and I am sure he has checked it out. Care to reply R?It does make me very worried about the league and the future. He does seem like a nice enough guy but he does not seem to be very mature with handling things.Thanks again for all the replies.

how do you play in a league with no rules?!?

 

[LurkMaster]

A Commish with any integrity would give you this transaction.

Timestamped messages of any kind equal a transaction. Web sites have downtime, internet providers have outages, storms down power. At times like those, transactions may still need to be made. The commish has the priveledge of representing the league and should honor legitimate attempts by owners in adjusting their teams (whether a add/drop or lineup change).

In your case, with the site being down (which can easily happen), you emailed him the details. If that player was not picked up before that MINUTE, he is YOURS!

The commish needs to do the right thing and honor it or risk the demise of the league.

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My opinion on my own league:

As competitive as I am: I would still rather run a league where everyone believes in my honesty/integrity and not win a championship THAN run a league where people aren't sure of my agenda and win it all. It's all about the league!

 

[Bucks]

Unless there is clearly announced rules specifying allowed methods of making transactions this commish is not fit for the job. He can't get beyond his own interests to make the right decision. Just as not all lawyers make good judges, he isn't able to step back and see this objectively.

This is the same reason not to put trades to league vote. Guys like him are unable to make an objective ruling when it adversely affects their own team.

Here's written rules my local league added several years to address the issue for the FCFS period after waivers:

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Any transactions submitted any way prior to the free agency opening time are invalid and are ignored.

Method of Execution in order of priority :

1) All transactions should be made by using the online web site system unless it is unavailable for whatever reason. Provider has it down, Internet doesn't work, etc. This will allow roster changes to be made automatically without later manual intervention.

2) When the online web site system is broken during the free-for-all free agency period then the next allowable method is to use the online web system Message Board system to post a manual transaction.

3) If the web site is down so a message cannot be posted then the final allowable method is to send an email to all league owners.

If method 2 or 3 is used include the full name and NFL team for each player involved in the transaction. If a) a transaction is not fully described b) results in an illegal roster c) is submitted outside of authorized time periods then the entire transaction is void. All transactions are first come first serve. Near simultaneous pick-up of the same players by more than one team are resolved with the team using method 1 receiving a 5 minute priority over methods 2 and 3, method 2 receiving a 5 minute priority over method 3. This priority will encourage use of the preferred systems to minimize controversy and manual intervention. After adjusting times, exact tie's are settled by the team with the lower total season points scored as of the last completed NFL week taking precedence. Time of email's is based on the timestamp indicated in the message header as recorded by the senders email server which should most closely approximate the time the message was sent by the owner. But that time must be within the authorized allowed time period for submitting transactions.

 

[Bri]

PC issues should NEVER be the reason someone can't make a move.So i guess if it's a blackout i don't have to go to work or care that i'm late b/c my alarm clock didn't work?Email timestamp absolutely equals a move. the player should be yours w/o question.i'm not surprised someone else left the league due to a disagreement.

I agree with this but it's somewhat extreme. You guys need to ask for his phone # in preseason and then just give the guy a call. This BS wouldn't happen if so. I lost power for almost 4 weeks last year due to the home next door burning down. I called the commish and other times so as to not be such a nag I wound up going to my dad's house (10 min away) to make my moves and check for news+all. It's not the commish's problem you lost power but nor should he be a dink because it's not. Some replies in this thread lack a certain degree of common human interaction. I feel like if I asked "What's wrong with a phone call?" there'd be replies "No I emailed him and that's enough" Maybe so but this is supposed to be fun and the commish is a person too. Maybe his home life is stressful right now and the "heads up" is what he needs? Maybe he's got tons of time to kill and the call is unnecessary? You wouldn't know til ya call. Is a phone call "heads up" that much of a big deal? Are ya so shy you can't call someone you email and never met? I'm picturing (due to some of the attitudes here)some commish not checking his email til Sunday morning and all the week's moves having to be reversed and the whole league being a mess of moves and POd owners. The whole league would be affected then.To email and sit back and wait to blame the commish is a defensive attitude that lacks any sorta friendship or comradery that should be in a league. Give the guy a call.My Man Otis, if you woke up late due to no power+alarm clock, you'd call work right? Well...

 

[mlichty]

UPDATE

Woke up this morning and I had an PM that he would give me the player via trade for the player he dropped. Exactly how it should be. IMO

Here is how the PM'S went

Commish PM

I'm going to try my best to make this very clear for you. Our waiver transactions are made through the website. They always have been. I will never pick up a player for you (or anyone else) via email again. I've never had anyone in this league ask me to do it before either, in 3 years. If you have interenet issues, you're just out of luck. In the future, if you have such issues, I'd suggest calling a friend, give them your sign in, and let them do it for you. But reality is, i'm competing in this league AGAINST you, and every other team. So i'm not going out of my way to help you. Finally, I'm assuming you will be quitting the league after this year since you have suggested MULTIPLE times that i make my own rules and basically cheat. So please, DON'T come back next year. Because if you really believe that, why would you want to be in the league anyway? I am sending you Lewis for Parker because i'm basically tired of dealing with you and reading your complaints. You are welcome. Rest assured, its the last trade I'll ever send you.

MY REPLY

Thanks for stepping up and doing the right thing.

YOU NEED RULES WRITTEN DOWN

In this league you have had problems with.

1 when the draft was going to start (prior to me)

2 when you covered your TE prior to first game - injury problem (prior to me)

3 when the waivers opened

4 the email waiver request

All these things could be in rules and the rules can be adjusted year to year as needed. You are given a discount for being the commish (which you deserve) but how about doing the commish job and getting some rule so that there are no questions.

Sorry but I have no plans on quitting. I have never quitted on a keeper/dynasty type of league and I don't pay my money for only one years worth of action. I have NEVER said you cheat. If you are the only one that knows the rules and tells us the rules as we have a problem/question then of course you will look bad at times.

I hope that you at least appreciate that I never said your name. I never said the league. I deleted the to and from on the copy of the email I posted. I could have made a big deal here on the board but I didn't want to. I just want your decision to be fair and I didn't think that was happening so I wanted some other opinions. I told you in the last message that I was done hounding you - and I was.

Why would you never trade with me again - since I was correct? PLEASE

I know that we compete against each other. I love it that I am taking over a team that had no real shot to win. I think that I am turing this team around and wil be a force to deal with. You should love the fact that this will not be a pushover team in the future.

I NEED TO KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO AXE ME AFTER THIS YEAR?

The only reason I see for you to axe me is that I questioned you about a decision. If that is how you deal with this kind of problem that is really weak.

So let me know if I am invited back next year.

Thanks

Commish reply

"Bottom line is you had a computer issue that isnt the commissioners fault. You are making him out to be a bad guy for trying to help out his own team. It's quite possible that he actually didnt see your email until after he picked the guy up. And even if he DIDNT, he's not REQUIRED to give you a break anyhow."

"Suck it up.

1) p/u was not a major one.

2) you were trying to avoid the league software online b/c you couldn't get in - therefore, it sux 4 u.

3) I see the comish's point - why should he honor the date stamp of an e-mail to him when you can make moves through an online site, and he had no problems getting into the site and making moves - and you are NOT accusing him of shenanigans (like he saw your e-mail and THEN wanted to p/u the player again.

4) your e-mail is asking him a favor - not making an official, league-approved, WW p/u move."

"depends on your league rules. if it states that the website if the only spot to perform waivers, lineups, etc... then the commissioner is in the right. if the rules allows owners to email the commissioner when the website is unavailable the commissioner is wrong.

however, allowing emails will open a pandora's box for the commissioner. since he could have 15 owners with varying waiver requests, emails, etc... anytime a glitch happens in the site or if some owners become too lazy to go to the site and just want to email instead.

the commissioner can't be both though. it needs to be either all through the web or allow emails, which are time stamped and acted upon in the order received. if he tries to allow some emails sometimes, it will lead to the perception of favoritism and slowly deteriorate the ownership of the league via petty arguments."

GIVING YOU LEWIS IN NO ONE WAY IS AN OMMISSION THAT YOU WERE "RIGHT". YOU JUST HAVE YOUR OPINION THAT YOU SHOULD GET HIM, JUST LIKE THESE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OPINIONS ON THIS, WHO HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH ME. I DID NOT HAVE TO GIVE YOU LEWIS, HE WAS ON THE WIRE FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES, AND YOU COULD HAVE PICKED HIM UP. IF YOU DID, I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID A WORD. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN YOURS. BUT YOUR PC DIDN'T WORK. SUCKS, BUT THAT WAS THE REALITY. I PICKED HIM BACK UP, AND YES, BEFORE I READ YOUR EMAIL! ASK EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE IF WE ALLOW WAIVER PICK UPS BY EMAIL. ASK IF ANYONE HAS EVER DONE THAT BEFORE. THE ANWSER TO BOTH- NO! HELL, CALL STEVE, ASK HIM IN THE LEAGUES WHERE HE IS THE COMMISH, IF HE WOULD DO IT. WE DO WIRE PICKUPS THROUGH THE WEBSITE. THAT GOES FOR ALL OF ANTS LEAGUES, NOT JUST MINE. AND NO, I WON'T BE TRADING WITH YOU BECAUSE I DON'T DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ACT THE WAY YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T GET YOUR WAY. I GAVE YOU A DISCOUNT TO JOIN THIS LEAGUE, AND IN TURN, YOU'VE #####ED AND COMPLAINED ABOUT ANY MOVE THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T BENEFIT YOUR TEAM.

Funny that he quoted the 5 guys that thought he was right out of 40 replies only 5 things he can quote (like I am not going to look at the thread). I could do a much better job. Start with he is a tool, jerk, moron ......

I took over a team that was in really bad shape. (best QB - Leftwich / RB's J. Jones and Foster - great dynasty team right) That is why I got a discount to join the league $50 instead of $75. So basically I end up giving him the $50 for a year of BS and I quit next year??? I would like nothing more than to build up this team and take the money from him year after year.

I think it is funny how often his name has been listed as viewing this thread but he has not had the balls to post a comment and tell everyone his side.

STEP UP AND POST YOUR SIDE

Thanks again for all the replies because until I started this thread I had no shot of the commish doing the right thing.

 

[my man otis]

PC issues should NEVER be the reason someone can't make a move.So i guess if it's a blackout i don't have to go to work or care that i'm late b/c my alarm clock didn't work?Email timestamp absolutely equals a move. the player should be yours w/o question.i'm not surprised someone else left the league due to a disagreement.

I agree with this but it's somewhat extreme. You guys need to ask for his phone # in preseason and then just give the guy a call. This BS wouldn't happen if so. I lost power for almost 4 weeks last year due to the home next door burning down. I called the commish and other times so as to not be such a nag I wound up going to my dad's house (10 min away) to make my moves and check for news+all. It's not the commish's problem you lost power but nor should he be a dink because it's not. Some replies in this thread lack a certain degree of common human interaction. I feel like if I asked "What's wrong with a phone call?" there'd be replies "No I emailed him and that's enough" Maybe so but this is supposed to be fun and the commish is a person too. Maybe his home life is stressful right now and the "heads up" is what he needs? Maybe he's got tons of time to kill and the call is unnecessary? You wouldn't know til ya call. Is a phone call "heads up" that much of a big deal? Are ya so shy you can't call someone you email and never met? I'm picturing (due to some of the attitudes here)some commish not checking his email til Sunday morning and all the week's moves having to be reversed and the whole league being a mess of moves and POd owners. The whole league would be affected then.To email and sit back and wait to blame the commish is a defensive attitude that lacks any sorta friendship or comradery that should be in a league. Give the guy a call.My Man Otis, if you woke up late due to no power+alarm clock, you'd call work right? Well...

i'd call work sure, but i have that number. he said he didn't have the guys phone # b/c it's a league with guys he doesn't know.i'm actually surprised at how many people don't feel as though email is a viable transaction.

 

[Bri]

i'm actually surprised at how many people don't feel as though email is a viable transaction.

It is, I just don't think people should be defensive about it. A defensive attitude makes it a problem or begs for it to be a problem.

 

[dawgtrails]

PC issues should NEVER be the reason someone can't make a move.So i guess if it's a blackout i don't have to go to work or care that i'm late b/c my alarm clock didn't work?Email timestamp absolutely equals a move. the player should be yours w/o question.i'm not surprised someone else left the league due to a disagreement.

I agree with this but it's somewhat extreme. You guys need to ask for his phone # in preseason and then just give the guy a call. This BS wouldn't happen if so. I lost power for almost 4 weeks last year due to the home next door burning down. I called the commish and other times so as to not be such a nag I wound up going to my dad's house (10 min away) to make my moves and check for news+all. It's not the commish's problem you lost power but nor should he be a dink because it's not. Some replies in this thread lack a certain degree of common human interaction. I feel like if I asked "What's wrong with a phone call?" there'd be replies "No I emailed him and that's enough" Maybe so but this is supposed to be fun and the commish is a person too. Maybe his home life is stressful right now and the "heads up" is what he needs? Maybe he's got tons of time to kill and the call is unnecessary? You wouldn't know til ya call. Is a phone call "heads up" that much of a big deal? Are ya so shy you can't call someone you email and never met? I'm picturing (due to some of the attitudes here)some commish not checking his email til Sunday morning and all the week's moves having to be reversed and the whole league being a mess of moves and POd owners. The whole league would be affected then.To email and sit back and wait to blame the commish is a defensive attitude that lacks any sorta friendship or comradery that should be in a league. Give the guy a call.My Man Otis, if you woke up late due to no power+alarm clock, you'd call work right? Well...

i'd call work sure, but i have that number. he said he didn't have the guys phone # b/c it's a league with guys he doesn't know.i'm actually surprised at how many people don't feel as though email is a viable transaction.

And what if he didn't answer his phone? Would the message be sufficient?People who say he should have called instead of emailed are being ridiculous. Any communication that is sent before the commish actually picked up the player should suffice.I would never play in a league where the response would be "oh well, too bad for you, get a better computer, blah blah".I hate fantasy football sometimes. It brings out the worst in people

 

[Bri]

PC issues should NEVER be the reason someone can't make a move.So i guess if it's a blackout i don't have to go to work or care that i'm late b/c my alarm clock didn't work?Email timestamp absolutely equals a move. the player should be yours w/o question.i'm not surprised someone else left the league due to a disagreement.

I agree with this but it's somewhat extreme. You guys need to ask for his phone # in preseason and then just give the guy a call. This BS wouldn't happen if so. I lost power for almost 4 weeks last year due to the home next door burning down. I called the commish and other times so as to not be such a nag I wound up going to my dad's house (10 min away) to make my moves and check for news+all. It's not the commish's problem you lost power but nor should he be a dink because it's not. Some replies in this thread lack a certain degree of common human interaction. I feel like if I asked "What's wrong with a phone call?" there'd be replies "No I emailed him and that's enough" Maybe so but this is supposed to be fun and the commish is a person too. Maybe his home life is stressful right now and the "heads up" is what he needs? Maybe he's got tons of time to kill and the call is unnecessary? You wouldn't know til ya call. Is a phone call "heads up" that much of a big deal? Are ya so shy you can't call someone you email and never met? I'm picturing (due to some of the attitudes here)some commish not checking his email til Sunday morning and all the week's moves having to be reversed and the whole league being a mess of moves and POd owners. The whole league would be affected then.To email and sit back and wait to blame the commish is a defensive attitude that lacks any sorta friendship or comradery that should be in a league. Give the guy a call.My Man Otis, if you woke up late due to no power+alarm clock, you'd call work right? Well...

i'd call work sure, but i have that number. he said he didn't have the guys phone # b/c it's a league with guys he doesn't know.i'm actually surprised at how many people don't feel as though email is a viable transaction.

And what if he didn't answer his phone? Would the message be sufficient?People who say he should have called instead of emailed are being ridiculous. Any communication that is sent before the commish actually picked up the player should suffice.I would never play in a league where the response would be "oh well, too bad for you, get a better computer, blah blah".I hate fantasy football sometimes. It brings out the worst in people

No one said that.It was to call and give him a headsup about the email WW move.No one said too bad get a better computer either.

 

[dawgtrails]

PC issues should NEVER be the reason someone can't make a move.So i guess if it's a blackout i don't have to go to work or care that i'm late b/c my alarm clock didn't work?Email timestamp absolutely equals a move. the player should be yours w/o question.i'm not surprised someone else left the league due to a disagreement.

I agree with this but it's somewhat extreme. You guys need to ask for his phone # in preseason and then just give the guy a call. This BS wouldn't happen if so. I lost power for almost 4 weeks last year due to the home next door burning down. I called the commish and other times so as to not be such a nag I wound up going to my dad's house (10 min away) to make my moves and check for news+all. It's not the commish's problem you lost power but nor should he be a dink because it's not. Some replies in this thread lack a certain degree of common human interaction. I feel like if I asked "What's wrong with a phone call?" there'd be replies "No I emailed him and that's enough" Maybe so but this is supposed to be fun and the commish is a person too. Maybe his home life is stressful right now and the "heads up" is what he needs? Maybe he's got tons of time to kill and the call is unnecessary? You wouldn't know til ya call. Is a phone call "heads up" that much of a big deal? Are ya so shy you can't call someone you email and never met? I'm picturing (due to some of the attitudes here)some commish not checking his email til Sunday morning and all the week's moves having to be reversed and the whole league being a mess of moves and POd owners. The whole league would be affected then.To email and sit back and wait to blame the commish is a defensive attitude that lacks any sorta friendship or comradery that should be in a league. Give the guy a call.My Man Otis, if you woke up late due to no power+alarm clock, you'd call work right? Well...

i'd call work sure, but i have that number. he said he didn't have the guys phone # b/c it's a league with guys he doesn't know.i'm actually surprised at how many people don't feel as though email is a viable transaction.

And what if he didn't answer his phone? Would the message be sufficient?People who say he should have called instead of emailed are being ridiculous. Any communication that is sent before the commish actually picked up the player should suffice.I would never play in a league where the response would be "oh well, too bad for you, get a better computer, blah blah".I hate fantasy football sometimes. It brings out the worst in people

No one said that.It was to call and give him a headsup about the email WW move.No one said too bad get a better computer either.

why does it matter if you call him? the email has the date/time on it. that is sufficient

 

[mlichty]

I find it funny/confusing about the phone call suggestion.

At least with an email you have a time stamp. If I would call him he could say that he just put through his request or any other BS story. I can now show anyone who want to see the timeline the exact emails and responses as well as when the roster moves were made.

A phone call is more of a he said this - no he said that....... You have no recording of what was said or the time that it was said.

 

[dawgtrails]

I find it funny/confusing about the phone call suggestion.

At least with an email you have a time stamp. If I would call him he could say that he just put through his request or any other BS story. I can now show anyone who want to see the timeline the exact emails and responses as well as when the roster moves were made.

A phone call is more of a he said this - no he said that....... You have no recording of what was said or the time that it was said.

I agree my friend.And as I stated earlier...nobody makes phone calls anymore, nobody.

People have online drafts, online software that keeps stats, online trade offers...I am in a league with friends, who all happen to be on a different coast than me. I wouldn't even call them if I was having difficulty getting on to the site. I would EMAIL them!