Commissioner Question (1 Viewer)

[The Football Freak]

UPDATE

Woke up this morning and I had an PM that he would give me the player via trade for the player he dropped. Exactly how it should be. IMO

Here is how the PM'S went

Commish PM

I'm going to try my best to make this very clear for you. Our waiver transactions are made through the website. They always have been. I will never pick up a player for you (or anyone else) via email again. I've never had anyone in this league ask me to do it before either, in 3 years. If you have interenet issues, you're just out of luck. In the future, if you have such issues, I'd suggest calling a friend, give them your sign in, and let them do it for you. But reality is, i'm competing in this league AGAINST you, and every other team. So i'm not going out of my way to help you. Finally, I'm assuming you will be quitting the league after this year since you have suggested MULTIPLE times that i make my own rules and basically cheat. So please, DON'T come back next year. Because if you really believe that, why would you want to be in the league anyway? I am sending you Lewis for Parker because i'm basically tired of dealing with you and reading your complaints. You are welcome. Rest assured, its the last trade I'll ever send you.

MY REPLY

Thanks for stepping up and doing the right thing.

YOU NEED RULES WRITTEN DOWN

In this league you have had problems with.

1 when the draft was going to start (prior to me)

2 when you covered your TE prior to first game - injury problem (prior to me)

3 when the waivers opened

4 the email waiver request

All these things could be in rules and the rules can be adjusted year to year as needed. You are given a discount for being the commish (which you deserve) but how about doing the commish job and getting some rule so that there are no questions.

Sorry but I have no plans on quitting. I have never quitted on a keeper/dynasty type of league and I don't pay my money for only one years worth of action. I have NEVER said you cheat. If you are the only one that knows the rules and tells us the rules as we have a problem/question then of course you will look bad at times.

I hope that you at least appreciate that I never said your name. I never said the league. I deleted the to and from on the copy of the email I posted. I could have made a big deal here on the board but I didn't want to. I just want your decision to be fair and I didn't think that was happening so I wanted some other opinions. I told you in the last message that I was done hounding you - and I was.

Why would you never trade with me again - since I was correct? PLEASE

I know that we compete against each other. I love it that I am taking over a team that had no real shot to win. I think that I am turing this team around and wil be a force to deal with. You should love the fact that this will not be a pushover team in the future.

I NEED TO KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO AXE ME AFTER THIS YEAR?

The only reason I see for you to axe me is that I questioned you about a decision. If that is how you deal with this kind of problem that is really weak.

So let me know if I am invited back next year.

Thanks

Commish reply

"Bottom line is you had a computer issue that isnt the commissioners fault. You are making him out to be a bad guy for trying to help out his own team. It's quite possible that he actually didnt see your email until after he picked the guy up. And even if he DIDNT, he's not REQUIRED to give you a break anyhow."

"Suck it up.

1) p/u was not a major one.

2) you were trying to avoid the league software online b/c you couldn't get in - therefore, it sux 4 u.

3) I see the comish's point - why should he honor the date stamp of an e-mail to him when you can make moves through an online site, and he had no problems getting into the site and making moves - and you are NOT accusing him of shenanigans (like he saw your e-mail and THEN wanted to p/u the player again.

4) your e-mail is asking him a favor - not making an official, league-approved, WW p/u move."

"depends on your league rules. if it states that the website if the only spot to perform waivers, lineups, etc... then the commissioner is in the right. if the rules allows owners to email the commissioner when the website is unavailable the commissioner is wrong.

however, allowing emails will open a pandora's box for the commissioner. since he could have 15 owners with varying waiver requests, emails, etc... anytime a glitch happens in the site or if some owners become too lazy to go to the site and just want to email instead.

the commissioner can't be both though. it needs to be either all through the web or allow emails, which are time stamped and acted upon in the order received. if he tries to allow some emails sometimes, it will lead to the perception of favoritism and slowly deteriorate the ownership of the league via petty arguments."

GIVING YOU LEWIS IN NO ONE WAY IS AN OMMISSION THAT YOU WERE "RIGHT". YOU JUST HAVE YOUR OPINION THAT YOU SHOULD GET HIM, JUST LIKE THESE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OPINIONS ON THIS, WHO HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH ME. I DID NOT HAVE TO GIVE YOU LEWIS, HE WAS ON THE WIRE FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES, AND YOU COULD HAVE PICKED HIM UP. IF YOU DID, I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID A WORD. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN YOURS. BUT YOUR PC DIDN'T WORK. SUCKS, BUT THAT WAS THE REALITY. I PICKED HIM BACK UP, AND YES, BEFORE I READ YOUR EMAIL! ASK EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE IF WE ALLOW WAIVER PICK UPS BY EMAIL. ASK IF ANYONE HAS EVER DONE THAT BEFORE. THE ANWSER TO BOTH- NO! HELL, CALL STEVE, ASK HIM IN THE LEAGUES WHERE HE IS THE COMMISH, IF HE WOULD DO IT. WE DO WIRE PICKUPS THROUGH THE WEBSITE. THAT GOES FOR ALL OF ANTS LEAGUES, NOT JUST MINE. AND NO, I WON'T BE TRADING WITH YOU BECAUSE I DON'T DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ACT THE WAY YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T GET YOUR WAY. I GAVE YOU A DISCOUNT TO JOIN THIS LEAGUE, AND IN TURN, YOU'VE #####ED AND COMPLAINED ABOUT ANY MOVE THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T BENEFIT YOUR TEAM.

Funny that he quoted the 5 guys that thought he was right out of 40 replies only 5 things he can quote (like I am not going to look at the thread). I could do a much better job. Start with he is a tool, jerk, moron ......

I took over a team that was in really bad shape. (best QB - Leftwich / RB's J. Jones and Foster - great dynasty team right) That is why I got a discount to join the league $50 instead of $75. So basically I end up giving him the $50 for a year of BS and I quit next year??? I would like nothing more than to build up this team and take the money from him year after year.

I think it is funny how often his name has been listed as viewing this thread but he has not had the balls to post a comment and tell everyone his side.

STEP UP AND POST YOUR SIDE

Thanks again for all the replies because until I started this thread I had no shot of the commish doing the right thing.

To The Commish:Write some rules. You want to run a league as involved as a dynasty league and you don't write rules? That is guppy time my man, time to play like a big boy. And I am in a 12 year, 16 team league and a 5 year 12 team league, and my leaguemates are on dozens of teams in their own right (buy-in ranging from 200-1000), and they all recognize email as a valid means of WW transaction when other methods fail. It is the norm.

 

[Bri]

I find it funny/confusing about the phone call suggestion.At least with an email you have a time stamp. If I would call him he could say that he just put through his request or any other BS story. I can now show anyone who want to see the timeline the exact emails and responses as well as when the roster moves were made. A phone call is more of a he said this - no he said that....... You have no recording of what was said or the time that it was said.

gee#### was a headsup that the email was sent

 

[mlichty]

I find it funny/confusing about the phone call suggestion.At least with an email you have a time stamp. If I would call him he could say that he just put through his request or any other BS story. I can now show anyone who want to see the timeline the exact emails and responses as well as when the roster moves were made. A phone call is more of a he said this - no he said that....... You have no recording of what was said or the time that it was said.

gee#### was a headsup that the email was sent

You were not the only one to suggest the phone call. I was typing my reply while you cleared up your opinion with a 2nd post. A heads up call is a good idea - but I don't have his info.

 

[ffweasel]

It's clear that the commish does not know how to handle himself in the manner required. As a commish you would never act this way nor send childlike responses as this one did. God forbid someone question something without it being considered a personal attack. If this is a Dynasty league and he is dropping your team after just this first season, I'd ask for my money back. Enjoy your other leagues...

 

[Spock]

Congratulations on being member #69.

 

[my man otis]

I find it funny/confusing about the phone call suggestion.At least with an email you have a time stamp. If I would call him he could say that he just put through his request or any other BS story. I can now show anyone who want to see the timeline the exact emails and responses as well as when the roster moves were made. A phone call is more of a he said this - no he said that....... You have no recording of what was said or the time that it was said.

gee#### was a headsup that the email was sent

You were not the only one to suggest the phone call. I was typing my reply while you cleared up your opinion with a 2nd post. A heads up call is a good idea - but I don't have his info.

bud, drop out of the league next year.this guy is a cutthroat commish and will cause some other problem down the road anyway.IMO as commish I always have to take the high road and give others the benefit of the doubt over me.I've done it plenty of times. and you know what, the league is better for it.

 

[R.White]

As a 20 year Commish, of various league set-ups, an email with a time-stamp is certainly sufficient proof of a transaction request. Just because this may not have happened in the leagues 3 years of existence, if there isn't a rule specifying that transactions are NOT PERMITTED via email, then it should be honored. With that determined, now it's a matter of time, as in what time did he (commish) make the move to re-acquire the player vs. the timestamp of the email request (regardless what time he got around to viewing it) It's cut and dry.

Also, if the "website" is down at the time the pick up attempt was made, you can't penalize a guy for then reverting to an email request. He already tried the proper or preferred method, and the site was down, not his computer. So saying tough luck because the site went down at that moment doesn't fly. Also the fact the site went back up a half an hour later, is irrelevant. All owners should have equal opportunity to acquire players via any method, unless specified otherwise, and in this case it wasn't. (nor should it be). There should always be an alternate method(s) spelled out.

Whether or not this is a major move or an insignificant player, doesn't matter in this situation. The email time stamp is prior to the transaction, period.

The commish is in fact responsible for the "overall" good of the league as well, and at times will have to swallow his pride in these situations, if they aren't covered thoroughly by rules. In this case, as soon as I got the email challenging the move, I would have thrown it out to the league for a vote. This shows the commish is at least trying to do the right thing. (Personally I would have honored the time-stamp)

Now on the flip-side. I don't know anything about this commish? He may have very little experience as commish? He may have stepped up because no one else would. Maybe he is too busy (home life, an illness, or real work) to run the league properly (an extensive set of rules-covering every conceivable problem)? But if no one else would do it, then there wouldn't be a league to compete in at all. This is one of many reasons the commish position is a thankless job. This is why most commish take things personally? I'm sure he put a ton of work into the league (especially in set-up, dynasty), so calling him out about this move probably set him him off. I didn't read anywhere were he was being called a cheater, but I guess I can see why he may have thought that.

This experience as well as any more that crop up (because without rules, they will) should all be written down, so they can be written into the 2007 rules. Perhaps an owner, or group could offer to pitch in to help the commish in establishing a set of rules? I'm sure the dynasty guys here in the Sharkpool would be happy to help as well (send you a copy of their rules).

These are my feelings on this issue, as an outsider FWIW. I believe the owner with the email request was correct in challenging the situation, and should be awarded TE M. Lewis. I also believe the commish has put in a ton of work, time, and effort to set up and run the league. So I can feel his frustration whether or not it was warranted. I would hope everyone can see what went wrong and why it went wrong, and just move on. Who knows Pope may end up the better long term tight end? Maybe Lewis breaks his leg this week (I hope not certainly). You never know how it will turn out, but it's not worth losing friends, ruining the league over. As many have already said here, it's absolutely imperative to have a complete set of rules prior to any season. There is no doubt this was the root of the problem.

Good Luck Guys, hope you can work it out, so everyone can continue enjoying the league.

RW

 

[Upchuck]

Wow. E-mail should suffice. Recommened to be sent to both the commish and one other member. Phone via cell phone is also good so as to have a record of when the call was made and to whom via billing and gives added credence. If the rules stated this was not allowed, it would be a 'tough luck' situation, but without written rules it should be allowed, especially since many leagues still allow it (including mine). The argument that e-mails would flood the commish doesn't hold true as it only happens when the site is down, generally when lineups are due. Changes using the site are much quicker, verified and safer to make than e-mailing. If e-mailing became a problem, then the e-mail option could easily be writiten out of the rules after the season.

I would NOT rejoin this league unless clear and fairly complete rules are posted for next year. Your commish tells you to "ask others" how waiver are handled???? Surely he doesn't think this is a better solution than writing actual rules ?!!??

If he kicks you out after this year, I think you deserve your money back for this year since it is a dynasty league. If after not inviting you, he still keeps your money, I would tell the boards the league name etc. not to be vindictive, but so that others would know what they're getting into... a league where the commish doesn't want to be held accountable to written rules. If he writes rules for next year but still kicks you out without returning your money, people need to know that also.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Sounds like a crap league to be in.

 

[Beergogglz]

Suck it up.1) p/u was not a major one.2) you were trying to avoid the league software online b/c you couldn't get in - therefore, it sux 4 u.3) I see the comish's point - why should he honor the date stamp of an e-mail to him when you can make moves through an online site, and he had no problems getting into the site and making moves - and you are NOT accusing him of shenanigans (like he saw your e-mail and THEN wanted to p/u the player again.4) your e-mail is asking him a favor - not making an official, league-approved, WW p/u move.IMO, sux for you

What a crap response, even moreso when you consider it came from a FBG staffer.1) How do you know it's not a "major" one? Got a cyrstal ball that can predict the rest of this season, not to mention those to come, dude?2) Trying to "avoid" league software?! Wow. Hope you're really just kidding about that. Poop happens, and if the only way the guy could contact the commish is via email, exactly what is wrong with that?3) A Commish is held to a higher standard, i.e. with great power comes great responsibility. Integrity is everthing in that sort of catbird seat.4) Actually, there's no favor being asked for -- the reason for the email contact is explained quite clearly. The fact that the Commish is, in essence, being a Richard Cranium about it (not to mention that there are no written rules for said league) is reason enough to question the whole situation.Again, I would have expected a better, more well thought out response from a valued contibutor to the otherwise outstanding content on this website.

 

[blake]

It's clear that the commish does not know how to handle himself in the manner required. As a commish you would never act this way nor send childlike responses as this one did. God forbid someone question something without it being considered a personal attack. If this is a Dynasty league and he is dropping your team after just this first season, I'd ask for my money back. Enjoy your other leagues...

awesome post. what a child is exactly right. what exactly is the big deal in getting an e-mail from an owner saying he can't get onto the site and wants to make an acquisition? i'm lost as to why this is an issue for him. isn't this part of a commissioner's job?

 

[qeck]

You are wrong. You put the commisioner in a bad spot.

What if someone besides the commish picked up the player? Would you expect the commish to nullify the third parties claim? How about every claim stemming from it?

What if the commish didn't check email till the next day and a string of several claims stemmed from the one, are they all to be undone because you couldn't get on site? Are you chaining the commish to his computer?

Leagues are online and transactions take place online for a reason, it keeps everything clean and above board. There is nothing done in the league that everyone cannot see.

Don't get me wrong, if, as a commish, I get a communication from someone asking me to make a move for them I will do it, as long as when I get the opportunity to do it it is still possible without retroactively changing someone elses move. As a commisioner it is not my resposibility to make your roster changes for you.

I don't buy the commish is held to a higher standard crap. Everyone should be held to the same standard.

I know, this is wordy and unreadable, and probably incoherent, sorry bout that. When I speak, this is what comes out

 

[blake]

I don't buy the commish is held to a higher standard crap. Everyone should be held to the same standard.

yeesh.

 

[Bri]

I find it funny/confusing about the phone call suggestion.At least with an email you have a time stamp. If I would call him he could say that he just put through his request or any other BS story. I can now show anyone who want to see the timeline the exact emails and responses as well as when the roster moves were made. A phone call is more of a he said this - no he said that....... You have no recording of what was said or the time that it was said.

gee#### was a headsup that the email was sent

You were not the only one to suggest the phone call. I was typing my reply while you cleared up your opinion with a 2nd post. A heads up call is a good idea - but I don't have his info.

ok I gotcha, thanks for clarifying

 

[suchislife]

You are wrong. You put the commisioner in a bad spot.

What if someone besides the commish picked up the player? Would you expect the commish to nullify the third parties claim? How about every claim stemming from it?

But they didin't...not the same situation.

What if the commish didn't check email till the next day and a string of several claims stemmed from the one, are they all to be undone because you couldn't get on site? Are you chaining the commish to his computer?

But that didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong, if, as a commish, I get a communication from someone asking me to make a move for them I will do it, as long as when I get the opportunity to do it it is still possible without retroactively changing someone elses move. As a commisioner it is not my resposibility to make your roster changes for you.

No, but it is the commish's responsibility to handle issues that pop up from time to time.

I don't buy the commish is held to a higher standard crap. Everyone should be held to the same standard.

Then you shouldn't be a commish. There's more to the title then just setting your league's draft date and collecting league fees. Not everyone is cut out to be a leader.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I don't buy the commish is held to a higher standard crap. Everyone should be held to the same standard.

As the commish you must be held to a higher standard as you have the ability to manipulate things that other owners do not. There have been a few times where I have just let something slide when I had a legitimate reason to force the issue. I have always been regarded as fair and consistant by the players in my league because of it. It isn't easy but that part of what you signed up for.

 

[Bri]

I don't buy the commish is held to a higher standard crap. Everyone should be held to the same standard.

Then you shouldn't be a commish. There's more to the title then just setting your league's draft date and collecting league fees. Not everyone is cut out to be a leader.

It depends on the situation. I've been the commish and when our timestamped waivers were the same time, I lost out due to being the commish. Higher standard? That should have been level playing field IMO and worst-best gets the player. Commish, myself, should have had as fair a chance to win+acquire players. Rules were rules so we rolled like that, I'm just sayin'.The one thing I hate as a commish is being OFFERRED a trade where I feel like I make out bigtime. He offerred me, I didn't sell snakeoil. If not the commish, click accept, and done. Instead there's all these "what's the proper thing to do" thoughts.Rather than go off on a tangent, sometimes it stinks to be the commish and be held to a higher standard. Most(90+%) of the time, I agree it's expected and the right thing to do.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

I look at it this way...mlichty had a right to question this and his commish did well by giving it to him..all leagues have rules if not written not a rule then!

Just goes to show ya the power of the FBG's (lawyer/judge/doctor all rolled into one) his commish must be a FBG member too and gave in (but he indeed made correct choice).A happy ending..NEXT CASE!

 

[qeck]

I don't buy the commish is held to a higher standard crap. Everyone should be held to the same standard.

As the commish you must be held to a higher standard as you have the ability to manipulate things that other owners do not. There have been a few times where I have just let something slide when I had a legitimate reason to force the issue. I have always been regarded as fair and consistant by the players in my league because of it. It isn't easy but that part of what you signed up for.

Yes, you can manipulate things, but they show up as changed by the commisioner (at least on sportsline, where I commish, they do). Thus everything is out in the open for all to see, and no need to have different standards for the commish.

 

[Engellwood]

Don't get me wrong, if, as a commish, I get a communication from someone asking me to make a move for them I will do it, as long as when I get the opportunity to do it it is still possible without retroactively changing someone elses move. As a commisioner it is not my resposibility to make your roster changes for you.

No, but it is the commish's responsibility to handle issues that pop up from time to time.

And the commish gets a discount on his league entry fee?No league rules?

What the hell does this ### clown do to deserve a discount?

 

[Topes]

But in the future, email *everyone in your league* on a distribution list with your transaction (and the fact that you can't access the site, hence the email). That way, you've got "witnesses".

Good suggestion. I have no reason to disbelieve you, but I have received e-mails with easily detectable (read full headers) forged e-mails from owners in the past. This is why I have all moves done on site. Period.It helps, of course, that my league doesn't do FCFS. FCFS would be a ##### to administer via e-mail.

 

[pacman_fl]

Don't get me wrong, if, as a commish, I get a communication from someone asking me to make a move for them I will do it, as long as when I get the opportunity to do it it is still possible without retroactively changing someone elses move. As a commisioner it is not my resposibility to make your roster changes for you.

No, but it is the commish's responsibility to handle issues that pop up from time to time.

And the commish gets a discount on his league entry fee?No league rules?

What the hell does this ### clown do to deserve a discount?

Not to "pile on", but I am pretty sure of the site and the commish. There are MANY sites/forums on the net and I have checked out most to see where the "true expertise" can be found. That site (based on the league name) and that individual (as I am sure it is the same one who flaunts the "discount" and has banned people for less) goes down often and this is probably not the first instance this has happened. Even though I am only in my 1st year commishing a league myself, I KNOW that "doing the right thing" is what keeps a league (especially a Dynasty) going. I personally would have made the move for you and dropped the issue. But that's just me (and 99% of the commish's I know).