Consensus Rookie 1.1 pick - PreNFL Draft (1 Viewer)

[Lord of the Rings]

My dynasty teams have always been mediocre which means I'm always picking in the middle of round 1 of the rookie draft. This year I decided to mix things up a bit. The thought of sitting in the catbird seat with a chance at taking the next sure thing (ie, Bush, AP, etc.) really appealed to me. A luxury I haven't enjoyed before. So a couple weeks ago I traded for the 1.1. for a chance to grab McFadden (assuming he lands in a good situation). But over the past several days as I've been reading more and more threads in the Shark Pool I'm discovering that there doesn't seem to be a consensus on the #1. Some say McFadden. Others say Stewart. Others endorse trading down to the 4 or 5 spot and grabbing whichever solid RB is left. Some say that the difference between the top 4-5 RBs isn't that great.

I realize that everything will change come April 26th, but what gives here. Is there really no consensus here? I don't want to turn this into a AC thread, but help a brother out here.

 

[offdee]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah.

Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.

Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

See there you go again,

 

[FUBAR]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah. Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

I agree with your point, but AD is a once in a lifetime talent (well... my nephew is 4 years old). McFadden is just another top rookie RB. I'm not enamored with McFadden, but I'm pretty sure I'll be taking him this year in 1 league.

 

[jeter23]

I was thinking of doing one more set of polls for rookie draft preNFL draft. I know Norris did some, but that has been a few weeks ago. I will start one now.

 

[jgb95]

i'm in the process of trading down to the 1.3 later today

 

[stp-d]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

We will see in 2 weeks, but right now i don't envy the #1 & #2 pick. I'd prefer to pay cheap and get the #3.

 

[Team Legacy]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

We will see in 2 weeks, but right now i don't envy the #1 & #2 pick. I'd prefer to pay cheap and get the #3.

Unfortunately, any dynasty league worth its salt already knows this and the price of the 3 has been HUGE for months.

 

[offdee]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah.

Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.

Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

I agree with your point, but AD is a once in a lifetime talent (well... my nephew is 4 years old). McFadden is just another top rookie RB.

I'm not enamored with McFadden, but I'm pretty sure I'll be taking him this year in 1 league.

That's easy to say now after seeing AD tear up the NFL his rookie season. If it was so obvious that he was a "one in a lifetime talent" than why would a good majority of people even think about ranking him below Marshawn last year at this time?I for one never veered from my belief that AD was head and shoulders above the rest....some proof of how much I believed...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=244696&hl=

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

 

[zadok]

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

We will see in 2 weeks, but right now i don't envy the #1 & #2 pick. I'd prefer to pay cheap and get the #3.

Unfortunately, any dynasty league worth its salt already knows this and the price of the 3 has been HUGE for months.

The value of rookie draft picks changes after the NFL draft, so would you say at this point the 1.3 has more value than the 1.1 because of the fluidity of opinions regarding McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall, etc.

 

[EBF]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

I agree with this. McFadden has the most hype, Stewart is the best athlete, and Mendenhall is the safest pick. Which one ultimately ends up being the most valuable player will depend on a lot of factors. I think Mendenhall is the safest bet to become a 300 carry RB, but I think Stewart has the highest ceiling.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Love Stewart, just reminds me so much of Steven Jackson.

 

[offdee]

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

 

[zadok]

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

You claimed he had less talent than Peterson. You (and others) should have more doubts about him than you did about Peterson. Right? Simple logic.

 

[EBF]

I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

It's also a mirror image of what went on with Reggie Bush. Two years later it looks like the Bush skeptics were at least partially correct. He's not considered the top RB from his class at this point in time. Addai has more FF value in most leagues and most onlookers consider MJD a better player. I think part of the problem with McFadden is that everyone has Peterson fresh in their memory, so they're inclined to fall back on the idea that McFadden = Peterson. It's pretty unlikely that DMC will have that kind of success. Personally, I don't think he's really in the same ballpark from a talent standpoint and I think he's going to disappoint people looking for the next big thing.

History shows that the best RB from a given draft class is usually not the first RB taken that year, so it's not like people are crazy to suggest that someone like Stewart or Mendenhall might have a better career.

 

[Jedimaster21]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah. Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

McFadden isn't the prospect that Peterson was, regardless of your feelings about him. The only question mark with Peterson was his ability to stay healthy. McFadden has character questions, vision questions, lower body strength questions, elusiveness questions...he just isn't that good. Not to mention that most of his big plays came from the Wild Hog formation that forced the defense to overpursue one side with Felix Jones running the end around. I would not draft him first even if I couldn't trade down, but I think the best strategy is to trade the pick to someone that has your opinion for Adrian Peterson value, and then take the guy you want.

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

As said in my above post, this simply isn't true. Go back to all of the 2007 threads by Bloom, EBF, Wildman, Contrux, Chaos Commish, etc. All of the knowledgeable college scouts on this board never had as many questions about Peterson.

 

[Jedimaster21]

My dynasty teams have always been mediocre which means I'm always picking in the middle of round 1 of the rookie draft. This year I decided to mix things up a bit. The thought of sitting in the catbird seat with a chance at taking the next sure thing (ie, Bush, AP, etc.) really appealed to me. A luxury I haven't enjoyed before. So a couple weeks ago I traded for the 1.1. for a chance to grab McFadden (assuming he lands in a good situation). But over the past several days as I've been reading more and more threads in the Shark Pool I'm discovering that there doesn't seem to be a consensus on the #1. Some say McFadden. Others say Stewart. Others endorse trading down to the 4 or 5 spot and grabbing whichever solid RB is left. Some say that the difference between the top 4-5 RBs isn't that great.I realize that everything will change come April 26th, but what gives here. Is there really no consensus here? I don't want to turn this into a AC thread, but help a brother out here.

I would see if the owners that have the 2nd or 3rd pick really love McFadden, and see if you can trade down a spot or two. If not, I would stay there and take either Stewart or Mendenhall.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah.

Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.

Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

I agree with your point, but AD is a once in a lifetime talent (well... my nephew is 4 years old). McFadden is just another top rookie RB.

I'm not enamored with McFadden, but I'm pretty sure I'll be taking him this year in 1 league.

That's easy to say now after seeing AD tear up the NFL his rookie season. If it was so obvious that he was a "one in a lifetime talent" than why would a good majority of people even think about ranking him below Marshawn last year at this time?I for one never veered from my belief that AD was head and shoulders above the rest....some proof of how much I believed...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=244696&hl=

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

offdee, we not not one in the same. We are not brothers. We not not friends. Correct? Because you are correct on above. At least someone on the know. But were have you been? When I was fighting off all those that said J.Stewart or Mendenhall is better than McFadden? Question is 'Consensus Rookie 1.1 pick'. Answer McFadden. Not 1.03 is the best pick,not sure who said this.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah. Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

McFadden isn't the prospect that Peterson was, regardless of your feelings about him. The only question mark with Peterson was his ability to stay healthy. McFadden has character questions, vision questions, lower body strength questions, elusiveness questions...he just isn't that good. Not to mention that most of his big plays came from the Wild Hog formation that forced the defense to overpursue one side with Felix Jones running the end around. I would not draft him first even if I couldn't trade down, but I think the best strategy is to trade the pick to someone that has your opinion for Adrian Peterson value, and then take the guy you want.

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

As said in my above post, this simply isn't true. Go back to all of the 2007 threads by Bloom, EBF, Wildman, Contrux, Chaos Commish, etc. All of the knowledgeable college scouts on this board never had as many questions about Peterson.

Really. This is not true. Why in so many drafts posted did All Day NOT go at 1.01 in at least 99% of the drafts?Some picked Lynch some picked C.Johnson. So above is not correct. Injury History, which McFadden has none.By the way All Day did get hurt, what a surprise.

 

[FUBAR]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah.

Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.

Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

I agree with your point, but AD is a once in a lifetime talent (well... my nephew is 4 years old). McFadden is just another top rookie RB.

I'm not enamored with McFadden, but I'm pretty sure I'll be taking him this year in 1 league.

That's easy to say now after seeing AD tear up the NFL his rookie season. If it was so obvious that he was a "one in a lifetime talent" than why would a good majority of people even think about ranking him below Marshawn last year at this time?I for one never veered from my belief that AD was head and shoulders above the rest....some proof of how much I believed...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=244696&hl=

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

maybe, I know I never altered my opinion. The concern with AD seemed to be more injury than talent. "Once in a lifetime talent with injury concerns" was the consensus IIRC.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The difference this year, IMO, is that there isn't a concensus on who the most-talented RB is. As more & more info has come out (combine, Pro Day, etc..) I think we've moved even further away from concensus.

Last year there was much less confusion on the talent hierarchy at the top of the RB class. Injury concerns over Peterson clouded the issue some but my (admittedly faulty at times) memory doesn't recall anywhere near the difference of opinion we have this year (nor the number of players considered #1).

However, I do agree with the OP that sometimes there's a groupthink that goes on where people talk themselves into (or out of) a position. I just don't think that's really what's happening this year.

 

[ravnzfan]

To me, Stewart would be the easy #1 if his durability record was better. Mendenhall may end being the #1 if he lands in a plum spot. What it all means is that #3 is the pick to have.

We will see in 2 weeks, but right now i don't envy the #1 & #2 pick. I'd prefer to pay cheap and get the #3.

Unfortunately, any dynasty league worth its salt already knows this and the price of the 3 has been HUGE for months.

true...I was sitting on 4--tried to move to 3 and couldn't work a deal (also have the 1, from another deal)I moved the 4 for the 2, swapping an'09-1st for a '09-2nd (and still have my '09-1st)

so instead of the 1.1/1.4 and 2-'09-1st's/1-'09-2nd, we have 1.1/1.2 and 1-'09 1st and 2-'09 2nd's

to me, it gets iffy from 4 on and who know whats there w/the '09's?

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah. Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

McFadden isn't the prospect that Peterson was, regardless of your feelings about him. The only question mark with Peterson was his ability to stay healthy. McFadden has character questions, vision questions, lower body strength questions, elusiveness questions...he just isn't that good. Not to mention that most of his big plays came from the Wild Hog formation that forced the defense to overpursue one side with Felix Jones running the end around. I would not draft him first even if I couldn't trade down, but I think the best strategy is to trade the pick to someone that has your opinion for Adrian Peterson value, and then take the guy you want.

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

As said in my above post, this simply isn't true. Go back to all of the 2007 threads by Bloom, EBF, Wildman, Contrux, Chaos Commish, etc. All of the knowledgeable college scouts on this board never had as many questions about Peterson.

Really. This is not true. Why in so many drafts posted did All Day NOT go at 1.01 in at least 99% of the drafts?Some picked Lynch some picked C.Johnson. So above is not correct. Injury History, which McFadden has none.By the way All Day did get hurt, what a surprise.

McFadden has had injuries...please don't make this Yellow Journalism.... Maroney=no speed.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah. Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

McFadden isn't the prospect that Peterson was, regardless of your feelings about him. The only question mark with Peterson was his ability to stay healthy. McFadden has character questions, vision questions, lower body strength questions, elusiveness questions...he just isn't that good. Not to mention that most of his big plays came from the Wild Hog formation that forced the defense to overpursue one side with Felix Jones running the end around. I would not draft him first even if I couldn't trade down, but I think the best strategy is to trade the pick to someone that has your opinion for Adrian Peterson value, and then take the guy you want.

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

As said in my above post, this simply isn't true. Go back to all of the 2007 threads by Bloom, EBF, Wildman, Contrux, Chaos Commish, etc. All of the knowledgeable college scouts on this board never had as many questions about Peterson.

Really. This is not true. Why in so many drafts posted did All Day NOT go at 1.01 in at least 99% of the drafts?Some picked Lynch some picked C.Johnson. So above is not correct. Injury History, which McFadden has none.By the way All Day did get hurt, what a surprise.

McFadden has had injuries...please don't make this Yellow Journalism.... Maroney=no speed.

What are you talking about? Almas_Has_no juice.

 

[Biabreakable]

My honest assessment of how the rookies look this year is that I am not very impressed by any of them. They all have flaws and I do not see an elite talent like we have seen in recent years to be clearly worthy of the 1st overall pick.

That being said there is no other player than McFadden who has the upside to be a truly elite difference maker in FF.

I think people touting Stewart are really off the Mark. I see more Duckett than Steven Jackson from him.

Mendenhall and Rice are lower risk - lower reward players than McFadden. While I can agree with the idea of trading down or being contented with a lower pick with the intent of taking one of these safer players and hoping for the best from them they do not have the ceiling that McFadden does to justify the 1st overall pick.

So the #1 pick by default must be McFadden. He is the only player who could be truly elite if all goes well for him.

 

[EBF]

My honest assessment of how the rookies look this year is that I am not very impressed by any of them. They all have flaws and I do not see an elite talent like we have seen in recent years to be clearly worthy of the 1st overall pick.

I agree with this. I'm not convinced that McFadden is the only guy with stud potential though. I think Stewart and Mendenhall have that potential if they land in a good spot. Any talented RB who gets 300 carries on a good offense has top 5 upside IMO.

 

[Biabreakable]

My honest assessment of how the rookies look this year is that I am not very impressed by any of them. They all have flaws and I do not see an elite talent like we have seen in recent years to be clearly worthy of the 1st overall pick.

I agree with this. I'm not convinced that McFadden is the only guy with stud potential though. I think Stewart and Mendenhall have that potential if they land in a good spot. Any talented RB who gets 300 carries on a good offense has top 5 upside IMO.

This is true but it will be situationally based rather than based on talent. Pre NFL draft ranking purely on talent and potential I only see McFadden having the upside to be an elite player.Stewart, Mendenhall, Rice and possibly a couple of the others in the right situation could be good enough to be #1 RBs but I think the situation has to be right for them to succeed. Otherwise I see them as RB 2's or 3's not elite difference makers. In the wrong situation they might only be backups.Just because there is a void of other elite prospects does not make the depth at RB this year as good as I think scouts are projecting them to be. If this draft class had a elite QB and a couple elite WR that would push the RBs down quite a bit. But because of the void of talent at other positions and the depth at RB this year I think this is causing scouts to be higher on this group of RBs than they otherwise would be. That is why it kind of reminds me of the 2005 draft where we had 3 RB in the 1st 5 picks. Not really because those RBs were so good (and there was even some better talent at WR that year that this year at the top) but because of the lack of talent at the other positions available.Just my 2 cents.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah. Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

McFadden isn't the prospect that Peterson was, regardless of your feelings about him. The only question mark with Peterson was his ability to stay healthy. McFadden has character questions, vision questions, lower body strength questions, elusiveness questions...he just isn't that good. Not to mention that most of his big plays came from the Wild Hog formation that forced the defense to overpursue one side with Felix Jones running the end around. I would not draft him first even if I couldn't trade down, but I think the best strategy is to trade the pick to someone that has your opinion for Adrian Peterson value, and then take the guy you want.

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

As you just said, he is not on the same level as Peterson. Less talent = more doubt.

Again, easy to claim that now. Saying that last year at this time would've gotten AD haters coming out of the wood work, claiming that Lynch was the better talent. Saying that now would just make you look foolish.I'm using it as an example of comparison for present time this year. McFadden was the clear cut #1 dominant RB all through this past college season...and now, all of the sudden, as we lead up to the draft many want to find flaws and reasoning as to why he's not the top guy anymore....like in the past 2 months since the college season ended McFadden's legs got skinny and he lost 15 pounds so he no longer is the perfect looking RB which must mean he's not the #1 RB anymore. It's a mirror image of what went on with AD last year.

As said in my above post, this simply isn't true. Go back to all of the 2007 threads by Bloom, EBF, Wildman, Contrux, Chaos Commish, etc. All of the knowledgeable college scouts on this board never had as many questions about Peterson.

Really. This is not true. Why in so many drafts posted did All Day NOT go at 1.01 in at least 99% of the drafts?Some picked Lynch some picked C.Johnson. So above is not correct. Injury History, which McFadden has none.By the way All Day did get hurt, what a surprise.

McFadden has had injuries...please don't make this Yellow Journalism.... Maroney=no speed.

What are you talking about? Almas_Has_no juice.

McFadden had at least one ankle injury which forced him out of the Bowl game vs the Badgers.What the heck does your post mean?

 

[Bizkiteer]

Truly silly question...

McFadden is it, no if's or but's about it. For all those that say other wise, they a nit picking just like the people last year that said Peterson shouldn't be taken because injury prone. Of course, Peterson was NOT perfect and had a question mark or two....as does McFadden. When you cut out all the BS...you still are left looking for the MOST TALENTED player/RB and hands down it is MCFADDEN.

McFadden was a threat the moment he stepped on the college football field, that can be said about any of the other RB's. Yes, the others had a good season or overall career in college...but they don't compare the ability that McFadden had to take over games and make a BIG play everytime he touched the ball.

I'll say it again, if you take McFadden at 1.01 people will never fault you for making that pick. If you pass and take a one year wonder RB or someone else...they could laugh at you for years or until you quit that dynasty league.

 

[EBF]

Reggie Bush was a threat the moment he stepped on the college football field, that can be said about any of the other RB's. Yes, the others had a good season or overall career in college...but they don't compare the ability that Reggie Bush had to take over games and make a BIG play everytime he touched the ball.I'll say it again, if you take Reggie Bush at 1.01 people will never fault you for making that pick. If you pass and take a one year wonder RB or someone else...they could laugh at you for years or until you quit that dynasty league.

Just saying...The convenience of the Peterson comparison makes it easy to disregard McFadden's flaws.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Truly silly question...

McFadden is it, no if's or but's about it. For all those that say other wise, they a nit picking just like the people last year that said Peterson shouldn't be taken because injury prone. Of course, Peterson was NOT perfect and had a question mark or two....as does McFadden. When you cut out all the BS...you still are left looking for the MOST TALENTED player/RB and hands down it is MCFADDEN.

McFadden was a threat the moment he stepped on the college football field, that can be said about any of the other RB's. Yes, the others had a good season or overall career in college...but they don't compare the ability that McFadden had to take over games and make a BIG play everytime he touched the ball.

I'll say it again, if you take McFadden at 1.01 people will never fault you for making that pick. If you pass and take a one year wonder RB or someone else...they could laugh at you for years or until you quit that dynasty league.

If I don't think McFadden is the best football player & take him anyway just because I don't want people to laugh at me, then I'm a fool. And, IMO, McFadden is not the clear-cut, most talented RB in this draft - no matter how many hands you put down

 

[womb]

I have been reading all this stuff on the board for 2 months now. Almost anything on this. EBF has a ton of insight and a ton of wisdom on the topic. Yet I am nowhere close to agreeing with him.

McFadden is no AD. OK we got that. Time will show, but we all understand it. Dynasty leagues existed before 2007, and will exist after this year. There will always be a top guy. He will most likely have more value. This year McFadden is that guy. One may always want to trade down for an Addai and end up with DeAngelo Williams. Except for some certain posters on this board and only Mayock from the mothership, who I have utmost respect for and who has downgraded Stewart himself, I see nowhere, at no article, at no nfl mock draft that McFadden is anything but the top RB in 2008. Please provide links to show otherwise as I may be ignorant.

Until then I will agree with Maroney=Speed.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I have been reading all this stuff on the board for 2 months now. Almost anything on this. EBF has a ton of insight and a ton of wisdom on the topic. Yet I am nowhere close to agreeing with him. McFadden is no AD. OK we got that. Time will show, but we all understand it. Dynasty leagues existed before 2007, and will exist after this year. There will always be a top guy. He will most likely have more value. This year McFadden is that guy. One may always want to trade down for an Addai and end up with DeAngelo Williams. Except for some certain posters on this board and only Mayock from the mothership, who I have utmost respect for and who has downgraded Stewart himself, I see nowhere, at no article, at no nfl mock draft that McFadden is anything but the top RB in 2008. Please provide links to show otherwise as I may be ignorant.Until then I will agree with Maroney=Speed.

Until then I will agree with Maroney=Speed.WOW. That rings loud and clear. Thanks

 

[gheemony]

Truly silly question...McFadden is it, no if's or but's about it. For all those that say other wise, they a nit picking just like the people last year that said Peterson shouldn't be taken because injury prone. Of course, Peterson was NOT perfect and had a question mark or two....as does McFadden. When you cut out all the BS...you still are left looking for the MOST TALENTED player/RB and hands down it is MCFADDEN.McFadden was a threat the moment he stepped on the college football field, that can be said about any of the other RB's. Yes, the others had a good season or overall career in college...but they don't compare the ability that McFadden had to take over games and make a BIG play everytime he touched the ball.I'll say it again, if you take McFadden at 1.01 people will never fault you for making that pick. If you pass and take a one year wonder RB or someone else...they could laugh at you for years or until you quit that dynasty league.

I don't base my draft decisions on whether others may laugh at me or not. Let's say McFadden is a total bust (either for character reasons or productivity reasons). I don't care if my buddy says, "Don't be mad, I would have done the same thing. McFadden was the obvious choice. Who would have known?". I'll be mad if I thought McFadden would be a bust and didn't act on it. For example, if I think Tashard Choiceis the best rookie available, then I'll pick him with 1.01. I don't care if the room busts out laughing. I'd rather be wrong using my own skills as a fantasy football player than making the "safe pick". And if all goes, well, the reward is even sweeter to say, "I told you so."If I had to make 1.01 today, I'd go with Stewart.I think the better topic is whether 1.04 is likely to be worth more before the draft or after the draft.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Reggie Bush was a threat the moment he stepped on the college football field, that can be said about any of the other RB's. Yes, the others had a good season or overall career in college...but they don't compare the ability that Reggie Bush had to take over games and make a BIG play everytime he touched the ball.I'll say it again, if you take Reggie Bush at 1.01 people will never fault you for making that pick. If you pass and take a one year wonder RB or someone else...they could laugh at you for years or until you quit that dynasty league.

Just saying...The convenience of the Peterson comparison makes it easy to disregard McFadden's flaws.

You just made my point with making the cute Reggie Bush insert. Nobody blames the person who took Bush at 1.01 for taking him. Matter of fact, Bush is far from being a done deal as not being the right choice at 1.01 of his draft. Especially considering that he's been sharing alot of the carries and offensive touches.Regardless, McFadden has less flaws than the others. Go ahead and take someone else...hope that works out for you, but better yet the guy picking after will always love as long as you are in the league.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Truly silly question...

McFadden is it, no if's or but's about it. For all those that say other wise, they a nit picking just like the people last year that said Peterson shouldn't be taken because injury prone. Of course, Peterson was NOT perfect and had a question mark or two....as does McFadden. When you cut out all the BS...you still are left looking for the MOST TALENTED player/RB and hands down it is MCFADDEN.

McFadden was a threat the moment he stepped on the college football field, that can be said about any of the other RB's. Yes, the others had a good season or overall career in college...but they don't compare the ability that McFadden had to take over games and make a BIG play everytime he touched the ball.

I'll say it again, if you take McFadden at 1.01 people will never fault you for making that pick. If you pass and take a one year wonder RB or someone else...they could laugh at you for years or until you quit that dynasty league.

I don't base my draft decisions on whether others may laugh at me or not. Let's say McFadden is a total bust (either for character reasons or productivity reasons). I don't care if my buddy says, "Don't be mad, I would have done the same thing. McFadden was the obvious choice. Who would have known?".

I'll be mad if I thought McFadden would be a bust and didn't act on it. For example, if I think Tashard Choiceis the best rookie available, then I'll pick him with 1.01. I don't care if the room busts out laughing. I'd rather be wrong using my own skills as a fantasy football player than making the "safe pick". And if all goes, well, the reward is even sweeter to say, "I told you so."

If I had to make 1.01 today, I'd go with Stewart.

I think the better topic is whether 1.04 is likely to be worth more before the draft or after the draft.

Well, being a BUST can be said about any player in any draft. There is a chance for each and every player. Given enough time a information and anyone can make any excuse to make it justified in labeling a player as a potential bust. Go with your gut though, but when your gut is telling Tashard Choice is the best player and he can be had a round or two later...your gut is playing too much a part in your thinking. Good luck...

 

[Holland Freeze]

That's easy to say now after seeing AD tear up the NFL his rookie season. If it was so obvious that he was a "one in a lifetime talent" than why would a good majority of people even think about ranking him below Marshawn last year at this time?

I for one never veered from my belief that AD was head and shoulders above the rest....some proof of how much I believed...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=244696&hl=

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

AD's success last season is not the only indicator that he was going to be something special in the league. I seem to recall heavy conversation for 2 years (or more) about how high he would have been drafted if he came out early. Although hearing of McFadden prior to this year there is no comparison between the air time he received prior to this season to what AD received prior to the year he came out.The reason for AD's comparisons with Lynch never appeared to me to be based on talent but potential for injury and situation. I must admit that going into the season I expected Chester to play a larger role than he was able to. Chester was a far greater threat than anything Lynch was going to face in Buffalo.

I don't think people for the most part are contesting McFadden's potential just recognizing that of the next 2. That said I do have McFadden as #1 but he has not created a large void between him and the other 2 and situation could play a deciding role on how I would rank them because they are close enough for that to be a potential deciding factor (that and John having a training camp that puts the turf toe surgery to rest).

 

[jurb26]

I really wish I was in a position to trade for McFadden right now.

 

[kremenull]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah.

Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.

Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

I agree with your point, but AD is a once in a lifetime talent (well... my nephew is 4 years old). McFadden is just another top rookie RB.

I'm not enamored with McFadden, but I'm pretty sure I'll be taking him this year in 1 league.

That's easy to say now after seeing AD tear up the NFL his rookie season. If it was so obvious that he was a "one in a lifetime talent" than why would a good majority of people even think about ranking him below Marshawn last year at this time?I for one never veered from my belief that AD was head and shoulders above the rest....some proof of how much I believed...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=244696&hl=

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

WOW!....This is way too funny. I'm glad that you pulled up this thread.......'cause one thing I believe in is you can't hide from your history......and from many of the comments in that AD thread from '06, a whole lot of you guys were way off..........which means I certainly ain't listening to these McFadden haters now....... ....although I wasn't going to anyway.......Benson over Peterson????.......How could've anyone EVER considered that?..........

 

[Maroney=Speed]

This reminds me of last year where many claimed AD to be the #2 guy behind Marshawn Lynch. AD has too much of an injury history, runs too upright, blah, blah, blah.

Now, Lynch is nothing to sneeze at but he's nowhere near the talent that AD is. Much like this year.

Leading up to the draft people ALWAYS want to find reasons to knock the top guy off his mantle and be the ones to say they were geniuses for predicting it. I'm not listening. McFadden is the clear cut #1 in my mind.

I agree with your point, but AD is a once in a lifetime talent (well... my nephew is 4 years old). McFadden is just another top rookie RB.

I'm not enamored with McFadden, but I'm pretty sure I'll be taking him this year in 1 league.

That's easy to say now after seeing AD tear up the NFL his rookie season. If it was so obvious that he was a "one in a lifetime talent" than why would a good majority of people even think about ranking him below Marshawn last year at this time?I for one never veered from my belief that AD was head and shoulders above the rest....some proof of how much I believed...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=244696&hl=

This year I believe the same thing with McFadden. McFadden is not the same level of talent as AD, but he's the clear #1 FF prospect this year. Love that everyone is doubting his potential, just like many did with AD last year.

WOW!....This is way too funny. I'm glad that you pulled up this thread.......'cause one thing I believe in is you can't hide from your history......and from many of the comments in that AD thread from '06, a whole lot of you guys were way off..........which means I certainly ain't listening to these McFadden haters now....... ....although I wasn't going to anyway.......Benson over Peterson????.......How could've anyone EVER considered that?..........

Looks like there could be a new Sheriff on this message board guys, and He has speed. As in Maroney=Speed. It didn't take long. Go figure.