Consensus Top 350 Albums of All-Time: 68. Automatic for the People – R.E.M. (201 Viewers)

[kupcho1]

unless its something like #1 =140 points, #2 = 130 points, #3 = 120 points…..#8 = 75 points……until it matches the original. Or have the spread go to #25 or something.

I like the way this guy thinks

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from a excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.

Just checking the math here and an album ranked 40th to 45th by 3 different people will score higher than an album ranked #1 by just one person.
That kinda sucks.
Rewards quantity not quality.
And i have no solutions unless its something like #1 =140 points, #2 = 130 points, #3 = 120 points…..#8 = 75 points……until it matches the original. Or have the spread go to #25 or something.

That's what I was trying to say earlier, but I have no idea how to correctly weight the points.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

unless its something like #1 =140 points, #2 = 130 points, #3 = 120 points…..#8 = 75 points……until it matches the original. Or have the spread go to #25 or something.

I like the way this guy thinks

A smaller list reduces the swing I think but then the only problem with that is everyone but me will have the same top 20-25 albums or at least that's my assumption. Maybe you do 50 and the top 25 will be points based and the bottom half is based on the number of people that sent the album in so if The Iceland Mysteries got 4 rankers (and that's more than any other album) it'll be # whatever after all the points based ones.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from a excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.

Just checking the math here and an album ranked 40th to 45th by 3 different people will score higher than an album ranked #1 by just one person.
That kinda sucks.
Rewards quantity not quality.
And i have no solutions unless its something like #1 =140 points, #2 = 130 points, #3 = 120 points…..#8 = 75 points……until it matches the original. Or have the spread go to #25 or something.

That's what I was trying to say earlier, but I have no idea how to correctly weight the points.

And we're back to logarithms.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

And here I thought there would be no math. Go figure.

 

[timschochet]

Just sent in my list- looking forward to this!

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

And here I thought there would be no math. Go figure.

I see what you did there.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from a excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.

Just checking the math here and an album ranked 40th to 45th by 3 different people will score higher than an album ranked #1 by just one person.
That kinda sucks.
Rewards quantity not quality.
And i have no solutions unless its something like #1 =140 points, #2 = 130 points, #3 = 120 points…..#8 = 75 points……until it matches the original. Or have the spread go to #25 or something.

That's what I was trying to say earlier, but I have no idea how to correctly weight the points.

But you were saying the opposite that the top songs were weighted too much while John is saying they’re not weighted enough
Appreciate the input but it’s already started and it’s staying as is. It will work out fine in the end.

 

[Eephus]

But you were saying the opposite that the top songs were weighted too much while John is saying they’re not weighted enough
Appreciate the input but it’s already started and it’s staying as is. It will work out fine in the end.

I haven't read the scoring rules. My trust is in your hands.

 

[Rand al Thor]

But you were saying the opposite that the top songs were weighted too much while John is saying they’re not weighted enough
Appreciate the input but it’s already started and it’s staying as is. It will work out fine in the end.

I love how you stick to your guns about the scoring. Your game, your rules. I'm in and putting my list together now. I thought I would have a hard time getting to 70, but I'm way over and now it's time to chop it down. Thanks for doing this, I've really enjoyed these lists and I'm grateful that you masochists are willing to put them together.

 

[Yo Mama]

But you were saying the opposite that the top songs were weighted too much while John is saying they’re not weighted enough
Appreciate the input but it’s already started and it’s staying as is. It will work out fine in the end.

I haven't read the scoring rules. My trust is in your hands.

Unfortunately, there’s a disappointing lack of dice in the scoring.

 

[Eephus]

But you were saying the opposite that the top songs were weighted too much while John is saying they’re not weighted enough
Appreciate the input but it’s already started and it’s staying as is. It will work out fine in the end.

I haven't read the scoring rules. My trust is in your hands.

Unfortunately, there’s a disappointing lack of dice in the scoring.

I haven't been able to figure out a way to incorporate dice into countdowns

 

[KarmaPolice]

But you were saying the opposite that the top songs were weighted too much while John is saying they’re not weighted enough
Appreciate the input but it’s already started and it’s staying as is. It will work out fine in the end.

I haven't read the scoring rules. My trust is in your hands.

Unfortunately, there’s a disappointing lack of dice in the scoring.

I haven't been able to figure out a way to incorporate dice into countdowns

Ah, I have a way. Thanks Eephus.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ok, I was talking to Doc this morning and when the countdown fires up, I am going to make a Spotify playlist as we go. Here is what I am thinking:

• if only one person rated the album, they get to choose ONE song from the album to put on the playlist.
• If there is multiple rankings, the person who rated it the highest gets to choose the ONE song to go on the playlist.
• If there is a tie in the rankings, we roll the bones to break the tie an that person gets to pick the ONE song from the album that goes onto the playlist.

In the last few of these countdowns, it seems the person with the highest rating posted about the entry, so they could just do a post about the album and post the song in there. We thought any more than one song/album was going to get a bit outrageous for actually listening to the playlist.

 

[kupcho1]

We thought any more than one song/album was going to get a bit outrageous for actually listening to the playlist.

I'm not wild about more than one song per artist, but your system seems great.

 

[KarmaPolice]

We thought any more than one song/album was going to get a bit outrageous for actually listening to the playlist.

I'm not wild about more than one song per artist, but your system seems great.

It could easily turn into a greatest hits playlist for The Beatles, Stones, Floyd, and Zeppelin type bands, so I get the concern. I am open to other suggestions, or maybe we just try to encourage some deeper cuts from some if the albums we know will be on there.

MAYBE the person with the highest score has the option to replace it with a song/album that didn't make the countdown somehow? From their highest ranking album that didn't make the top 300, perhaps. For eample, if i ranked Dark Side the highest i could take a song off that or my #2 album that i know will not make the countdown.

 

[Don Quixote]

We thought any more than one song/album was going to get a bit outrageous for actually listening to the playlist.

I'm not wild about more than one song per artist, but your system seems great.

It could easily turn into a greatest hits playlist for The Beatles, Stones, Floyd, and Zeppelin type bands, so I get the concern. I am open to other suggestions, or maybe we just try to encourage some deeper cuts from some if the albums we know will be on there.

MAYBE the person with the highest score has the option to replace it with a song/album that didn't make the countdown somehow? Maybe their highest ranking album that didn't make the cut. For eample, i ranked Dark Side the highest i could take a song off that or my #2 album that i know will not make the countdown.

How would someone know it will not make the countdown?

 

[kupcho1]

How would someone know it will not make the countdown?

Hey, we're just spit ballin' here

 

[KarmaPolice]

We thought any more than one song/album was going to get a bit outrageous for actually listening to the playlist.

I'm not wild about more than one song per artist, but your system seems great.

It could easily turn into a greatest hits playlist for The Beatles, Stones, Floyd, and Zeppelin type bands, so I get the concern. I am open to other suggestions, or maybe we just try to encourage some deeper cuts from some if the albums we know will be on there.

MAYBE the person with the highest score has the option to replace it with a song/album that didn't make the countdown somehow? Maybe their highest ranking album that didn't make the cut. For eample, i ranked Dark Side the highest i could take a song off that or my #2 album that i know will not make the countdown.

How would someone know it will not make the countdown?

Most of these countdowns have started with a list of highest rated X not on the final countdown. Maybe we just use that as an option for a one time switch?

Also by the time we get to the top 40-50 we probably know our odd ball random album isn't showing up.

I have my first 50 down and i expect about 10 to show up in the end.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just do one song per album - keep it simple.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We have 6 lists in and at this point we have a major consensus for the Top album.

It's made 5 of the 6 lists and has an average score (per list) of 62.6 and currently has a 116 point lead on the second place album.

The top of the list is classic rock heavy, but not necessarily the ones you would expect.

Also the album I thought had the best chance to finish #1 received it's first mention and got 4 points.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

There are 318 different albums listed so far out of 6 lists (with one list only 50 songs).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Only two poster's top album did not receive any other votes and those albums currently sits in a tie for 46th place.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

Anything in the 2020s yet?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

Anything in the 2020s yet?

I have at least 2 incoming today. One is my #2

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

Anything in the 2020s yet?

I don't have the dates listed on submissions and I'm not familiar with every album submitted, but I believe there are a few - there's surely a bunch of post-2000 albums submitted.

 

[Ilov80s]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

 

[KarmaPolice]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

You have seen his work in other threads, right?

 

[kupcho1]

Do you have to use two spots for double albums?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

I’m of the opinion that music keeps getting better and better since newer artists build off of what worked in prior generations. This is certainly an unpopular opinion though!

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

Mine will be mostly between the mid '60s and the mid '90s, with a smattering of stuff from the early 21st century. I stopped paying close attention to new music when I met my wife in the mid '00s.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Do you have to use two spots for double albums?

This is not the RIAA.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

Mine will be mostly between the mid '60s and the mid '90s, with a smattering of stuff from the early 21st century. I stopped paying close attention to new music when I met my wife in the mid '00s.

My timeline will mostly be tighter than yours.

Boomer Selections Incoming!

 

[Chaos34]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

You have seen his work in other threads, right?

I have plenty of albums on my list from the 00s forward. But I think there's a fine defense for taking 70 from the 60s-90s. That's when the best music was made after all.

 

[Mookie Gizzy]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

Mine will be mostly between the mid '60s and the mid '90s, with a smattering of stuff from the early 21st century. I stopped paying close attention to new music when I met my wife in the mid '00s.

My timeline will mostly be tighter than yours.

Boomer Selections Incoming!

My timeline never heard of this new century. Old A F Selections Incoming

 

[Chaos34]

I stopped paying close attention to new music when I met my wife in the mid '00s.

I stopped paying close attention when I divorced mine in the mid 00s.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

To be fair he did go with some heavy hitters in the classic rock world and we all know his affinity for 70s singer-song writers based on his countdowns.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

You have seen his work in other threads, right?

I have plenty of albums on my list from the 00s forward. But I think there's a fine defense for taking 70 from the 60s-90s. That's when the best music was made after all.

Of course I disagree. I was surprised how many post 00s albums and music I had on there. Outside of MAD activity, I think 70% of my listening is 70s and 00s+. I am more in line with 80s above, but I also have been listening to a bit more hip hop and electronic type of music in my old age as well.

ETA: sorry, it was @Juxtatarot 's post I was agreeing with above, not 80s'.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Most of the metal I listen to is 00s+ as well.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

To be fair he did go with some heavy hitters in the classic rock world and we all know his affinity for 70s singer-song writers based on his countdowns.

That reminds me, I need to add a few Timthings to my long list.

 

[Chaos34]

Unsurprisingly, tim had only one album post 1990.

The rest have a decent mix of old and "new" music.

That’s wild to say there’s only been 1 truly great album in the last 35 years or to like music so much but then to cut yourself off from the last 35 years of it (whichever is the case for Tim).

You have seen his work in other threads, right?

I have plenty of albums on my list from the 00s forward. But I think there's a fine defense for taking 70 from the 60s-90s. That's when the best music was made after all.

Of course I disagree. I was surprised how many post 00s albums and music I had on there. Outside of MAD activity, I think 70% of my listening is 70s and 00s+. I am more in line with 80s above, but I also have been listening to a bit more hip hop and electronic type of music in my old age as well.

I went down a deep electronic hole while Avicii was still with us. Raising a child now 26 forced me to explore hip hop. I tried. I'm open minded. I just don't like hip hop. It's not very musical. Very poetic. Art is subjective and it is fine art, but I love talented musicians and want to hear them play. Hip hop doesn't do that for me. Respect the poetry and the difficulty of beat making, but there's too many talented musicians to follow for me to care anymore.

Also, I asked AI and you're wrong. The best decades in order are 70s, 80s, 60s, 90s.

 

[Chaos34]

Most of the metal I listen to is 00s+ as well.

Me too. And instrumental at that. I wasn't joking about jazz earlier. I have a huge list to pare down. In one of these drafts I realized Pink Floyd is my favorite band, not sure how a few of their albums will rank, but high indeed. Right now I have 3 jazz albums ahead of my favorite PF, and just reminded myself I really like a P!nk album. Curses. I should bow out of this and save myself the trouble.

 

[Ilov80s]

Also, I asked AI and you're wrong. The best decades in order are 70s, 80s, 60s, 90s.

I rest my case your honor.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Breakdown By Decade for My Submission

1960s - 5
1970s - 34
1980s - 8
1990s - 11
2000s - 8
2010s- 4
2020s - 0

 

[KarmaPolice]

Most of the metal I listen to is 00s+ as well.

Me too. And instrumental at that. I wasn't joking about jazz earlier. I have a huge list to pare down. In one of these drafts I realized Pink Floyd is my favorite band, not sure how a few of their albums will rank, but high indeed. Right now I have 3 jazz albums ahead of my favorite PF, and just reminded myself I really like a P!nk album. Curses. I should bow out of this and save myself the trouble.

I was starting down this spiraling hole last night, but then after looking at my list I decided a large portion probably won't make the countdown anyway. Then it was more a fun, quick list of stuff that popped into my head.

If i did an artist for MAD31, chances are there are 2 albums showing up.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

How are you guys doing this? I know Dr. Oct said it was up to our discretion but this isn't like the no skip album thread where we think the whole thing is good or can I/should I put an album on there if I like maybe a track or 2 or should I really be just listing albums where I like it all?

 

[kupcho1]

How are you guys doing this? I know Dr. Oct said it was up to our discretion but this isn't like the no skip album thread where we think the whole thing is good or can I/should I put an album on there if I like maybe a track or 2 or should I really be just listing albums where I like it all?

Yes

 

[Yo Mama]

How are you guys doing this? I know Dr. Oct said it was up to our discretion but this isn't like the no skip album thread where we think the whole thing is good or can I/should I put an album on there if I like maybe a track or 2 or should I really be just listing albums where I like it all?

Yes

They will definitely have a few albums on my list.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I should just submit 70 random Buckethead albums