Cory Dillon (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

1997 Cincinnati Bengals 233 1129 4.8 10 TD's 1998 Cincinnati Bengals 262 1130 4.3 4 TD's 1999 Cincinnati Bengals 263 1200 4.6 5 TD's2000 Cincinnati Bengals 315 1435 4.6 7 TD's 2001 Cincinnati Bengals 340 1315 3.9 10 TD's 2002 Cincinnati Bengals 314 1311 4.2 7 TD's 2003 Cincinnati Bengals 138 541 3.9 2 TD's 2004 New England Patriots 345 1635 4.7 12 TD's 2005 New England Patriots 209 733 3.5 12 TD's 2006 New England Patriots 199 812 4.1 13 TD's

When has a single year of his been tops in ANY category? He's been and will be seen as an average NFL RB.

Again, I'm not looking to debate anyone on this, but when did Bettis lead the league in anything either?

 

[switz]

1997 Cincinnati Bengals 233 1129 4.8 10 TD's 1998 Cincinnati Bengals 262 1130 4.3 4 TD's 1999 Cincinnati Bengals 263 1200 4.6 5 TD's2000 Cincinnati Bengals 315 1435 4.6 7 TD's 2001 Cincinnati Bengals 340 1315 3.9 10 TD's 2002 Cincinnati Bengals 314 1311 4.2 7 TD's 2003 Cincinnati Bengals 138 541 3.9 2 TD's 2004 New England Patriots 345 1635 4.7 12 TD's 2005 New England Patriots 209 733 3.5 12 TD's 2006 New England Patriots 199 812 4.1 13 TD's

When has a single year of his been tops in ANY category? He's been and will be seen as an average NFL RB.

Again, I'm not looking to debate anyone on this, but when did Bettis lead the league in anything either?

I never said Bettis should be in the HOF, so I'm not sure how that's relevant to a question about whether Dillon belongs in the HOF.

 

[CalBear]

To be clear, I am not disagreeing with you . . . but Bo Jackson had everything you just mentioned and then some. Is he a HOFer?

Bo has a much better chance at the Hall of Fame than any other RB who played just 38 games, that's for sure. A reasonably close analogy to Bo would be Gale Sayers, who played just 68 games and is not in the top 50 in any major statistical category, but is in the Hall of Fame. I don't think Bo belongs and I probably wouldn't have voted for Sayers, but clearly the issues of name recognition and popularity come into play in HOF decisions.

 

[Tau837]

Plus, he made another Pro Bowl.

This is why a lot of the fluff about players can sometimes not mean a whole lot. Yes, to the letter of the law, Bettis did make the 2004 Pro Bowl. But IIRC, it was after 3 other players backed out. So sure, he made it, but it's not like he was one of the top couple of choices.The following received credit for being AFC Pro Bowl RBs in 2004 . . .Curtis MartinLaDainian TomlinsonEdgerrin JamesCorey DillonRudi JohnsonJerome Bettis

Thank you. That is yet another reason why I think number of pro bowls made should not be given much consideration when discussing someone's Hall of Fame worthiness.Didn't Steve McNair make it last year, despite having a pretty average year? I think he was like the 7th or 8th choice in the AFC, but made it when numerous other QB's had to drop out.

Well, I was quoted here, and I didn't give it a lot of weight. It was one of a handful of things I cited as being positive about his last three seasons. It's not like being a top 6 RB in the AFC in his 12th season is a negative to his HOF resume.From Wikipedia:

Bettis again found himself a back-up to start the 2004 season, this time to Duce Staley. But when an injury held Staley out of action mid-way through the year, Bettis stepped in and gained 100+ yards in each of his seven regular season starts, leading to a Pro-Bowl berth for the sixth time in his career.

Pretty good for a 12th year RB. Regardless of the merit of his Pro Bowl selection, he certainly was quite effective two years after the 10 year mark that David brought up.

 

[Tau837]

To be clear, I am not disagreeing with you . . . but Bo Jackson had everything you just mentioned and then some. Is he a HOFer?

Bo has a much better chance at the Hall of Fame than any other RB who played just 38 games, that's for sure. A reasonably close analogy to Bo would be Gale Sayers, who played just 68 games and is not in the top 50 in any major statistical category, but is in the Hall of Fame. I don't think Bo belongs and I probably wouldn't have voted for Sayers, but clearly the issues of name recognition and popularity come into play in HOF decisions.

How do you get that Bo Jackson is a reasonably close analogy to Sayers?

 

[x260bm]

I don’t think Dillon has a chance. Playing for Cincinnati during his prime really hurt him. His numbers would have been so much better if he played for even an average team. He had some great games. Unfortunately he had a lot more games where his team was so far behind they didn’t even try to run the ball.

 

[PMENFAN]

Many years while Dillon was in Cinci I felt he was the 'best' pwer back in the league, just in a horrible situation. Many players would readilly say he was the toughest back to face at the time, the hardest to tackle, etc. But, when you're on a team that sucks, you can't perform. He wasn't Barry Sanders, but few were.

Switch him and say Terrell davis, and we never hear of Terrell Davis, and Dillon is a lock. Or at least Davis is an average back at best.

So, does Dillon make the Hall? He's a marginal candidate at best at this point. On talent, I think he should, but he did play a long time in Cincinatti, carrying a team with no line. . He did set the league rushing record, at the time. and his late career resurgence in NE is a definite plus. SEe what happens, because I don't think he's done.

Another year or two, and I think he becomes a better candidate and gets in.

 

[CalBear]

To be clear, I am not disagreeing with you . . . but Bo Jackson had everything you just mentioned and then some. Is he a HOFer?

Bo has a much better chance at the Hall of Fame than any other RB who played just 38 games, that's for sure. A reasonably close analogy to Bo would be Gale Sayers, who played just 68 games and is not in the top 50 in any major statistical category, but is in the Hall of Fame. I don't think Bo belongs and I probably wouldn't have voted for Sayers, but clearly the issues of name recognition and popularity come into play in HOF decisions.

How do you get that Bo Jackson is a reasonably close analogy to Sayers?

They're both extremely talented RBs, exciting to watch, very popular in their time, among the top all-time in yards per carry, whose injury-shortened careers kept them from amassing the stats of typical Hall of Fame running backs. Obviously Sayers did more with his time than Bo did with his, and I doubt anyone would argue that Bo is a better HOF candidate than Sayers.

 

[CalBear]

I don’t think Dillon has a chance. Playing for Cincinnati during his prime really hurt him. His numbers would have been so much better if he played for even an average team. He had some great games. Unfortunately he had a lot more games where his team was so far behind they didn’t even try to run the ball.

From 1997-2003, Dillon was the #4 RB in total rushing attempts; ahead of Emmitt Smith and Marshall Faulk, among others. He got plenty of chances.

 

[x260bm]

I don’t think Dillon has a chance. Playing for Cincinnati during his prime really hurt him. His numbers would have been so much better if he played for even an average team. He had some great games. Unfortunately he had a lot more games where his team was so far behind they didn’t even try to run the ball.

From 1997-2003, Dillon was the #4 RB in total rushing attempts; ahead of Emmitt Smith and Marshall Faulk, among others. He got plenty of chances.

In four of those years he had less than 265 carries. He never had 375 touches in a season. He was in the top 5 in attempts only 1 time. He could have had more opportunities.

 

[switz]

He got plenty of chances.

In four of those years he had less than 265 carries. He never had 375 touches in a season. He was in the top 5 in attempts only 1 time. He could have had more opportunities.

There is a difference between "could have had more" and "didn't get enough."Dillon has had plenty of chances, especially in NE where there is a threat of a passing game, and IMO Antowain Smith looked as good in NE as Dillon has.

 

[Pat Patriot]

He got plenty of chances.

In four of those years he had less than 265 carries. He never had 375 touches in a season. He was in the top 5 in attempts only 1 time. He could have had more opportunities.

There is a difference between "could have had more" and "didn't get enough."Dillon has had plenty of chances, especially in NE where there is a threat of a passing game, and IMO Antowain Smith looked as good in NE as Dillon has.

That is just a silly statement. Dillon has had 1 healthy season in NE. He rushed for over 1600 yards in 2004 finishing 3rd in yards. Less than 50 yards behind S. Alexander and Curtis Martin. Dillon was spectacular in that year as the Pats dominated the competition. 2004 was the best Pats SB team and the reason was Dillon.

 

[Garts]

Guess he couldn't afford a cab...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/foot...n.ap/index.html

 

[Koya]

Guess he couldn't afford a cab...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/foot...n.ap/index.html

Had he played on anything close to a decent team for even half of his prime, he'd be able to afford a limo and driver to drive him to the HoF induction ceremonies.