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Cosell Talks: Newton & Stafford on the Rise (1 Viewer)

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Cosell Talks: Newton & Stafford on the Rise

by Greg Cosell

I had a chance last week, as part of a project I am working on this summer, to once again evaluate two quarterbacks who had outstanding seasons in 2011: Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton. I had not carefully looked at their tape since January, and I always find it fascinating to revisit players, especially quarterbacks, with a fresh (and hopefully different) perspective.

With the ability to fine focus, I was more impressed now than I was during the season. I can say, without any qualification, that Stafford, who just finished his third NFL season and first in which he started 16 games, and Newton, the 2011 Offensive Rookie of the Year, are the best young quarterbacks in the league. Fittingly, both were No. 1 overall picks in their respective drafts, Stafford in 2009 and Newton in 2011.

It may seem ridiculously obvious, but in a league driven by the passing game, quarterbacks reach high-level status based on how they throw the ball from the pocket. I’ve written before about the attributes necessary to play the position consistently well in the NFL. Those traits are identifiable and measurable through extensive film study. There’s no question that different players possess these characteristics in varying and distinct degrees. But the relevant point is that elite play at the game’s most important position demands a tangible skill set that can be quantified.

It’s the reason that no one has ever “revolutionized” the position, and no one will. That discussion, which enters the discourse every year at some point, is always more idle noise than realistic evaluation. That kind of talk surrounded Newton last season, given his remarkable early success. In many ways, it was a shame, because it overlooked — and ultimately discounted — what made him so good so quickly.

Newton did not have a record-setting rookie season because he’s a great athlete. Certainly, his touchdown run against the Bucs late in the season was spectacular, and few quarterbacks have that kind of breathtaking running ability. But no one becomes a great quarterback in the NFL because of the way they run.

I watched every Newton snap in 2011, and the reality was he played exceptionally well from the pocket. He was poised and composed, decisive and accurate. He stood tall and delivered the ball in the eye of the storm. He made difficult throws into tight coverage. He did not run unless it was the last and only option or it was a designed play call. What was so extraordinary about Newton’s season was that he transitioned to the NFL in a manner that was unexpected and unforeseen based on his college résumé. He was primarily a run/option quarterback at Auburn. While the big arm and occasional NFL throw were there, Newton was not often asked to display the attributes necessary to thrive on Sundays.

Two early-season plays really stood out last fall, and previewed Newton’s exceptional season. His first NFL touchdown pass, 77 yards to Steve Smith on the opening Sunday, featured a change in protection against a blitz. The ability to recognize and then adjust before the snap is an increasingly necessary attribute to play at a high level in this league, and Newton demonstrated it in Week 1. Three weeks later against the Bears, on a 26-yard completion to Smith, Newton showed the kind of progression reading and pocket toughness that are two hallmarks of top quarterback play. The initial read was to his left, but it was taken away by the Bears coverage. With the pocket collapsing, Newton came backside to Smith on a dig route. It was as good as it gets. And that was his fourth NFL start.

While Newton’s consistently strong pocket play was not anticipated, Stafford has always been comfortable in the cradle. He came out of Georgia an elite arm talent, evident the moment you put on his college tape. He threw with velocity and could challenge the defense at all levels of the field. I viewed him as a better prospect coming out of college in 2009 than either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III this year.

Arm strength has always been a contentious issue. There are many who believe it’s the most overrated quality when evaluating quarterback play, that it can be compensated for with outstanding anticipation and precise ball location. There is some truth to that, and certainly not every great NFL quarterback has a strong arm, but more often than not that belief is fool’s gold.

Let me bring you back to 2009. As I was preparing for that year’s draft, I remember watching Stafford and then immediately putting in a tape of Mark Sanchez. The difference in the way they delivered the ball was unmistakable from film study. There were throws Stafford could make that Sanchez couldn’t, and more importantly, wouldn’t even attempt because he knew he couldn’t. That’s the element that is always overlooked by those who minimize arm strength: The confidence and willingness of quarterbacks like Stafford to pull the trigger on tight window throws that demand velocity. Those throws are often the difference between winning and losing, but few recognize that because there is no quantifiable means by which to evaluate throws that are not made by quarterbacks with lesser arm strength.

Go back to the second week of the 2011 season, against the Kansas City Chiefs. Stafford threw a 36-yard touchdown pass to Tony Scheffler that few quarterbacks would have attempted. It began with his subconscious and intuitive belief that he could make the throw, and then it featured rare velocity and pinpoint accuracy. It was a snapshot of Stafford’s outstanding season, the kind of throw that distinguishes great NFL passers.

When you get a chance to see every throw quarterbacks make, and just as importantly, the ones they don’t make, you get a clearly defined picture of the difference. Stafford is only in the early stages of his career, but there’s no question he’s near the top of the charts when it comes to throwing ability. The more snaps he takes, and the more he learns, the better he will get.

Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton — two young quarterbacks with the attributes to be special passers in the NFL for years to come.
 
If it wasnt for his injury history, Id love to take Stafford in the late 2nd/early 3rd...Then again, he'll probably drop that far often for that very reason...Quite a wildcard pick this year

 
If it wasnt for his injury history, Id love to take Stafford in the late 2nd/early 3rd...Then again, he'll probably drop that far often for that very reason...Quite a wildcard pick this year
Love the article!I was concerned about his shoulder too. It seems that has been fixed via the last surgery. Stafford took some hits last season and played the year. Have to be reassured by that. Every QB is one hit away. I own him in my keeper league and there is a lot of interest. Don't wait until the 3rd...
 
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Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.

 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
I think you're underestimating both. I doubt either will be available by middle of round 2. In my expierence, the big 4 of Rodgers, Cam, Stafford, and Brees are all gone by round 2, then there's a long wait til next QB. Cam is pretty much the consensus 1.06 pick. PFF ran 4 mocks, and Stafford goes on average at 1.10 (6, 22, 8, 10). You need a elite QB to win today.
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
I think you're underestimating both. I doubt either will be available by middle of round 2. In my expierence, the big 4 of Rodgers, Cam, Stafford, and Brees are all gone by round 2, then there's a long wait til next QB. Cam is pretty much the consensus 1.06 pick. PFF ran 4 mocks, and Stafford goes on average at 1.10 (6, 22, 8, 10). You need a elite QB to win today.
I know Stafford's ADP is pretty high right now, but I have a feeling itll drop 10-15 spots by/during August. I dont trust ADP's this early (who seriously drafts in May or earlier?!), and if its anyone, its people who know their FF.But if what your saying turns out to be true, I'll gladly take Brady in the 3rd when all those guys are gone :D
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
I think you're underestimating both. I doubt either will be available by middle of round 2. In my expierence, the big 4 of Rodgers, Cam, Stafford, and Brees are all gone by round 2, then there's a long wait til next QB. Cam is pretty much the consensus 1.06 pick. PFF ran 4 mocks, and Stafford goes on average at 1.10 (6, 22, 8, 10). You need a elite QB to win today.
I know Stafford's ADP is pretty high right now, but I have a feeling itll drop 10-15 spots by/during August. I dont trust ADP's this early (who seriously drafts in May or earlier?!), and if its anyone, its people who know their FF.But if what your saying turns out to be true, I'll gladly take Brady in the 3rd when all those guys are gone :D
Brady is gone before the 3rd unless this is an 8 team league. Rivers will be there for you though. Stafford threw for over 5,000 yards, 1 of 4 in NFL history. No way he slips to the third and tough not to pull the trigger at the end of round one if you get the chance.
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
I think you're underestimating both. I doubt either will be available by middle of round 2. In my expierence, the big 4 of Rodgers, Cam, Stafford, and Brees are all gone by round 2, then there's a long wait til next QB. Cam is pretty much the consensus 1.06 pick. PFF ran 4 mocks, and Stafford goes on average at 1.10 (6, 22, 8, 10). You need a elite QB to win today.
I know Stafford's ADP is pretty high right now, but I have a feeling itll drop 10-15 spots by/during August. I dont trust ADP's this early (who seriously drafts in May or earlier?!), and if its anyone, its people who know their FF.But if what your saying turns out to be true, I'll gladly take Brady in the 3rd when all those guys are gone :D
Brady is gone before the 3rd unless this is an 8 team league. Rivers will be there for you though. Stafford threw for over 5,000 yards, 1 of 4 in NFL history. No way he slips to the third and tough not to pull the trigger at the end of round one if you get the chance.
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
I think you're underestimating both. I doubt either will be available by middle of round 2. In my expierence, the big 4 of Rodgers, Cam, Stafford, and Brees are all gone by round 2, then there's a long wait til next QB. Cam is pretty much the consensus 1.06 pick. PFF ran 4 mocks, and Stafford goes on average at 1.10 (6, 22, 8, 10). You need a elite QB to win today.
I know Stafford's ADP is pretty high right now, but I have a feeling itll drop 10-15 spots by/during August. I dont trust ADP's this early (who seriously drafts in May or earlier?!), and if its anyone, its people who know their FF.But if what your saying turns out to be true, I'll gladly take Brady in the 3rd when all those guys are gone :D
Brady is gone before the 3rd unless this is an 8 team league. Rivers will be there for you though. Stafford threw for over 5,000 yards, 1 of 4 in NFL history. No way he slips to the third and tough not to pull the trigger at the end of round one if you get the chance.
 
Stafford and Newton are both 1st round picks in dynasty start ups. No way either falls to 3rd round anywhere.
Yeah, because dynasty startups account for so many leagues :rolleyes: In 4pt passing TD leagues, Stafford will fall in his share of leagues to the 3rd round. Besides his injury history, he lacks the running stats of Cam, who is the only exception I can think of where a QB goes top 2 rounds without being elite for awhile (although Vick last year is close, but again, a running QB).
Of course a lot depends on what the league rules are, etc. I can only tell you that it's a gamble I would not take. Stafford is poised to become elite, if he has not already, and I would not want to risk missing him by waiting until round 3. Detroit has added more weapons - except on defense. They are going to have to win a lot of high scoring games. That bodes well for him. I would never fault someone for taking Newton ahead of Stafford. I don't think he will last until round 3 either, btw. High scoring QBs are the new RB. Everyone is going to want one next year.
I had Stafford last year and loved him, but took him in like the 9th round. I think thats part of the reason why using a 2nd on him sounds like even more than it already is. I dont disagree with you though.I didnt even mention Cam because I think he's a surefire Top 15 pick, if not Top 10
I think you're underestimating both. I doubt either will be available by middle of round 2. In my expierence, the big 4 of Rodgers, Cam, Stafford, and Brees are all gone by round 2, then there's a long wait til next QB. Cam is pretty much the consensus 1.06 pick. PFF ran 4 mocks, and Stafford goes on average at 1.10 (6, 22, 8, 10). You need a elite QB to win today.
I know Stafford's ADP is pretty high right now, but I have a feeling itll drop 10-15 spots by/during August. I dont trust ADP's this early (who seriously drafts in May or earlier?!), and if its anyone, its people who know their FF.But if what your saying turns out to be true, I'll gladly take Brady in the 3rd when all those guys are gone :D
Brady is gone before the 3rd unless this is an 8 team league. Rivers will be there for you though. Stafford threw for over 5,000 yards, 1 of 4 in NFL history. No way he slips to the third and tough not to pull the trigger at the end of round one if you get the chance.
 
Very solid article. The one thing Cosell forgot to mention is that Cam accomplished all that with little to no offseason/training camp due to the lockout.

 
Very solid article. The one thing Cosell forgot to mention is that Cam accomplished all that with little to no offseason/training camp due to the lockout.
Great point.
Living here in Charlotte, I am very excited about Cam being here. After the offensive debacle of 2010, it was actually a lot of fun watching them in 2011. Don't be shocked if Carolina makes the playoffs this year or next year. They got to 6-10 even with losing a bunch of close games. I went through it in another thread and they lost a bunch of close games to playoff teams (GB, NO, Atlanta twice and Detroit) where they were in the lead, some big leads before losing all of them in the 4th quarter due to some inexperience by Cam and mostly defensive collapses. They pummelled Houston in week 15, the same Houston team that almost made the championship game. If they can get any type of defense at all, they are a team who could beat anyone. I don't think they are top tier, i.e., if NO or GB play their best game, they lose.2011 was better than any Panther fan thought possible. Going from the worst offense in the NFL by far to a top 5 one makes it fun again.
 
Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.

 
Don't be shocked if Carolina makes the playoffs this year or next year. They got to 6-10 even with losing a bunch of close games.
Yep, they finished 5th overall in Total Points Scored last year:1. Packers - 5602. Saints - 5473. Patriots - 5134. Lions - 4745. Panthers - 406That really places the 6-10 record on their defense, so if they can improve there, I can definitely see them making the playoffs.
 
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Don't be shocked if Carolina makes the playoffs this year or next year. They got to 6-10 even with losing a bunch of close games.
Yep, they finished 5th overall in Total Points Scored last year:1. Packers - 5602. Saints - 5473. Patriots - 5134. Lions - 4745. Panthers - 406That really places the 6-10 record on their defense, so if they can improve there, I can definitely see them making the playoffs.
In that division it wouldn't surprise me at all.New Orleans (who knows how they will play this year with all the distractions)Atlanta (A lot of talent but they seem to get out coached in big games)Tampa Bay (Good Offseason)Carolina (On the rise for sure)I wouldn't be shocked if any of those teams won the division or came in last place.
 
Very solid article. The one thing Cosell forgot to mention is that Cam accomplished all that with little to no offseason/training camp due to the lockout.
Great point.
I'll spin that and say defenses weren't prepared for him (all three of his 300 yard passing games were in the first four weeks). Cam is still a stud but his numbers might have been inflated due to teams not knowing how to handle him.
 
Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.
6 other QB's have passed for 40+ TD's - Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Warner and Marino (twice). 4 more have passed for over 35 TD's - Romo, Culpepper, Beuerlein, Steve Young, Favre, Y.A. Tittle, and George Blanda.He is tied with Marino as the youngest to pass for over 35 TD's and he did it at 3 years younger than the next youngest to do it - Favre.
 
Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.
I think this too!
 
Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.
I think this too!
I don't know if there is a misconception that Stafford just lobs balls up to Calvin and that is the reason for his success, but it is a definitely wrong. Stafford can put the ball anywhere on the field and does it with velocity and timing. He throws guys open and often gets the ball into the tightest of windows. Even when guys are well covered, Stafford puts beats the defenders with perfect throws. He only threw 16 interceptions last year and when you look at the type of throws he is willing to make, it is shocking that he doesn't throw more. It is just a testament to how good his arm is.
 
Not to take anything away from what these two did, but defenses are also being handicapped more and more every year, inflating passing & receiving yards. I am one that would love to see WRs held to the same set of rules as DBs as far as contact downfield and while the ball is in the air. They are still the two best young passers followed closely by Dalton and possibly Bradford, Luck and RG3. Nice to see a great, young crop of QBs ready to change the guard from the Peyton/Brady/Brees and Eli/Ben/Rivers groups.

 
Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.
I think this too!
I don't know if there is a misconception that Stafford just lobs balls up to Calvin and that is the reason for his success, but it is a definitely wrong. Stafford can put the ball anywhere on the field and does it with velocity and timing. He throws guys open and often gets the ball into the tightest of windows. Even when guys are well covered, Stafford puts beats the defenders with perfect throws. He only threw 16 interceptions last year and when you look at the type of throws he is willing to make, it is shocking that he doesn't throw more. It is just a testament to how good his arm is.
For not being a homer, I probably watched as much of DET as any team last year because they were entertaining, fun to see them win finally, and I had Stafford and Mega on a lot of teams. I actually thought Stafford struggled with his accuracy, especially in the first half, a lot last year. More than any QB of his caliber that Ive noticed in awhile. Hard to say he can actually post better numbers than last year, but I dont think it would be difficult for him to vastly improve in this area, and doing so would really help his game to game production as well as the offense (continuing drives, getting into the red zone, etc).
 
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Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.
I think this too!
I don't know if there is a misconception that Stafford just lobs balls up to Calvin and that is the reason for his success, but it is a definitely wrong. Stafford can put the ball anywhere on the field and does it with velocity and timing. He throws guys open and often gets the ball into the tightest of windows. Even when guys are well covered, Stafford puts beats the defenders with perfect throws. He only threw 16 interceptions last year and when you look at the type of throws he is willing to make, it is shocking that he doesn't throw more. It is just a testament to how good his arm is.
He had some occassional mistakes and there was a small stretch where he was wearing a glove due to an injury to his throwing hand. He still completed 63% of his passes, fifth highest amongst starters in the league last year. Hard to say being the 5th most accurate passer in the league is a flaw. You are right in that there is still room to grow.
 
Lots more at the Shutdown Corner with Cossell and Farrar.

Here are podcast draft reviews of the AFCN and NFCW.

Cossel also talks about the blog that is discussed in this thread.

In-depth post-draft breakdowns of each team in those divisions.

To list go to the page and click on the audio hyperlinks.

Topics discussed in the podcasts:

The Shutdown Corner Podcast: Greg Cosell

With the draft over and all wrapped up, we thought it would be a good idea to get back on the phone with our buddy Greg Cosell of NFL Films and ESPN's "NFL Matchup," and talk about the NFL by division. Who did themselves the most favors in the draft, and who came up short when addressing their roster deficits?

The Shutdown Corner Podcast Greg Cosell on the NFC West draft

We started off with the NFC West last week, and we now move to the hyper-competitive AFC North. Appropriate, given Greg's recent post on the NFL Films Blog praising the Cincinnati Bengals' draft strategy. With that in mind, we asked Greg what he thought the Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers did to bolster their teams.

Related: [Cosell on quarterbacks, running backs/wide receivers, tight ends/offensive line, OLB/DE/DT stars, the ILB/DB class, and overall draft review]

Baltimore Ravens OLB Courtney Upshaw, and how he'll be tasked to replace Terrell Suggs: "The Ravens are very versatile with their fronts. Suggs would line up in two-point and three-point stances. He played a number of different positions and alignments -- that's what the Ravens do, and Upshaw fits that role. I don't think anybody's going to say that he's going to do what Suggs has done for a number of years -- Suggs is a pretty damned good player -- but the way Upshaw plays, I think he could eventually become similar to that guy."

Cincinnati Bengals OG Kevin Zeitler: "I seem to be in the minority here, and we'll never know how the Bengals felt because David DeCastro was gone when they picked, but I thought Zeitler was a little more complete than DeCastro -- I thought he was a better athlete. I thought he had more scheme-versatility, and he fits very well in a zone run game. I'm not sure DeCastro does. Now, DeCastro fits in the power run game better; that's what he did at Stanford. But given what the Bengals want their guards to do, I think Zeitler was the better choice, and would have been the better choice had DeCastro been available."

The Shutdown Corner Podcast: Greg Cosell on the 2012 AFC North Draft

The Cleveland Browns' first-round selections of Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden: "Theoretically, you could look at it this way -- they ended up with Richardson and Weeden instead of Ryan Tannehill and Doug Martin. And I think Richardson/Weeden is the better combination ... in fact, I don't think, I know. Richardson, we don't need to discuss ... I thought he was the best player in this draft. Weeden has some concerns. He was the best pure pocket passer in this draft, but he's got meaningful and troublesome issues with pressure. That's a serious red flag when you transition to the NFL."

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Chris Rainey: "I love this pick for them. It's funny how things change in given years, and where people get drafted -- I like Rainey more than Dexter McCluster, and McCluster was a second-round pick of the Chiefs [in the 2910 NFL draft]. The reason he's a fifth-round pick? He is what he is. He's not a feature back, but you design 12 to 15 plays [around him], whatever you choose -- but this guy can score from anywhere on the field."

As always with everything involving Greg Cosell, this podcast is a must-listen for those fans of advanced tape analysis.
 
Call me a crazy homer, but I have Stafford as the #2 QB this year and beyond. He turned 24 in February and has averaged 283 yards, 2TDs and is completing 60% of his passes through the first 29 starts of his career. He is a stud that is just hitting his prime. Stafford was the youngest starting QB in the playoffs this year- younger than Dalton or Tebow. He plays for a team with that scored and gave up a lot of points last year, a team with an unreliable running game, and one of the better casts of pass catchers for a QB in the league. He joined Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Drew Brees as the only 5000 yard passers. Brady did it at 34, Brees at 33, Stafford at 23, Marino: 23. Stafford did all that and people are still expecting him to improve while Brady and Brees have peaked and are nearing a likely decline due to age.
I think this too!
I don't know if there is a misconception that Stafford just lobs balls up to Calvin and that is the reason for his success, but it is a definitely wrong. Stafford can put the ball anywhere on the field and does it with velocity and timing. He throws guys open and often gets the ball into the tightest of windows. Even when guys are well covered, Stafford puts beats the defenders with perfect throws. He only threw 16 interceptions last year and when you look at the type of throws he is willing to make, it is shocking that he doesn't throw more. It is just a testament to how good his arm is.
Stafford reminds me of Brett Favre but without the INT's. But, what's scary is he has the potential to get better! It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if he were to win several MVP's in his career. :popcorn: With Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford & Jay Cutler all in the same division. Wow, that is a good group of QB's! and that's without Christian Ponder with Minnesota. He's only going into his second season. He maybe a good QB too. Just too early to tell right now.

What division has the best group? I would say it has to be one of these divisions:

NFC North

A. Rodgers

M. Stafford

J. Cutler

C. Ponder

NFC South

D. Brees

M. Ryan

C. Newton

J. Freeman

NFC East

E. Manning

T. Romo

M. Vick

R. Griffin III

 
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NFL Replay is re-airing the Panthers vs the Lions from last season. Shaky 1st quarter for both QBs (2 ints Stafford and 1 by Newton).

 
I agree with Cosell. Stafford is the best QB prospect to come out that I've ever seen. Better than both Luck and RG3. I haven't paid close enough attention to the guys prior to say 2000.

 
remember before the draft when everyone said Cam Newton was a bad person with a fake smile?

What a bunch of bull####.

 
remember before the draft when everyone said Cam Newton was a bad person with a fake smile? What a bunch of bull####.
I'll admit to being one of those guys. I still think he comes off as smug and entitled, but after that rookie season, he's probably earned it...
 
Cam Happy to go back to work

CHARLOTTE - Cam Newton drops back in the blazing sun, the skyscrapers of downtown Charlotte serving as the backdrop, and zings a short pass as the small number of people observing practice all gaze upon him.

It's a familiar scene, albeit in a different time slot.

As a rookie, Newton's debut on the Bank of America Stadium practice fields had to wait until the dog days of August. This year, he's got that certain spring in his step in May.

"We need to take full advantage of the OTAs, because this time last year I was just working out every single day with just a couple of pages to go by," Newton said. "There's nothing like having organized team functions like this where you can talk to your coaches and ask them things that are going to make you better. It's great to be getting reps - mental and physical.

"It's been great. We've had full participation, which is something you look for. It's a start, a good sign. Everybody is coming out here fresh, with the mentality to work and get better. That's all you can ask."

After the Panthers picked Newton No. 1 overall in NFL Draft last April, he had to wait until training camp three months later before getting to work because of the NFL's work stoppage.

Still, with little lead time, he directed an offense that ranked last in the NFL in yards and scoring in 2010 to top-seven showings in both categories in 2011.

Now, he and his teammates are getting the benefit of a full offseason program.

"OTAs are going great," left tackle Jordan Gross said. "I like our team a lot. We're young, excited and healthy, which is really good. Cam is looking good, which is a huge key to what we're doing. I'm excited about what we can be.

"We need to pick up right where we left off and get better and better. Other teams are going to have the whole offseason to work on what we did. We need to have new things to surprise them with. That's the challenge for us. I think we're up for it."

Newton, coming off a season that earned him NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year, is trying to set the pace.

"He's really maturing and becoming what you hope for in your starting quarterback," Panthers head coach Ron Rivera said. "You're seeing the continued evolution based on what happened last year and how we finished the season out. Now he's just working and encouraging his teammates to keep working hard.

"He's pushing himself. Cam doesn't just say it; he does it. I'm pretty excited about what we're getting from him as far as his overall development as a football player and a leader."

Newton took on more of a leadership role late in his rookie season, but he isn't jumping to any conclusions. Proven defensive leaders like linebackers Jon Beason and Thomas Davis are back from season-ending injuries and are taking part in OTAs on a limited basis, and the offense returns veteran leaders like Gross, Steve Smith and Ryan Kalil.

"This is a lot of people's team," Newton said. "I'm not going to go out on a limb and say this is my team because it's not. There are players that were here way before me – Smitty, Jordan, Jon and those guys. I'm just trying to pay homage and fit wherever I can fit in. The leadership will rise to the top."

Respect for his elders notwithstanding, Newton intends to rise to new heights this autumn as opposed to falling victim to a sophomore slump.

"Everybody is being held accountable," Newton said. "The playmakers are going to have to make plays. The leaders are going to lead. If you have to ask yourself what you are, you're neither.

"There were some good things last year, but I still feel like I can do a lot of things better."
My Cam mancrush is about to get out of hand, I wonder if he wants to get an apartment with me?

 

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