Could brain trauma be contributing to Ben's behavior? (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

 

[Banger]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

Mike Vick too...who else needs excuses?

 

[Ilov80s]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

Mike Vick too...who else needs excuses?

I was thinking less of an excuse and more of therapy and perhaps retirement.

 

[Ilov80s]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee you with 4 reported concussions and a motorcylce accident in which his unprotected head his the pavement, he has suffered significant damage.

 

[Balance]

 

[Banger]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee you with 4 reported concussions and a motorcylce accident in which his unprotected head his the pavement, he has suffered significant damage.

thanks Doc.

 

[Ilov80s]

You think its laughable that he crashed a motor cycle without a helmet and landed head first into a lady's windshield and then onto the pavement resulting in serious injuries to the head face? You also think its laughable that in the 3 years since then he has suffered 4 concussions, including a time where he was motionless for 15 minutes and had to be stretchered off? Add to that, he played the following week.

 

[Ilov80s]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee you with 4 reported concussions and a motorcylce accident in which his unprotected head his the pavement, he has suffered significant damage.

thanks Doc.

I am not a doctor, but I have spent the last 5 years working with brain injuries.

 

[Phlash]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee you with 4 reported concussions and a motorcylce accident in which his unprotected head his the pavement, he has suffered significant damage.

thanks Doc.

I am not a doctor, but I have spent the last 5 years working with brain injuries.

Bangers status:

 

[34=Sweetness]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee you with 4 reported concussions and a motorcylce accident in which his unprotected head his the pavement, he has suffered significant damage.

Here's the thingstories abound of him in college and in the pros before the accident of him hanging around bars like this and acting like a general ########. I'm sure he'd love to blame it on concussions but I'm pretty sure he's just a tool.

 

[KCC]

Even if his behavior is due to brain damage of some sort, should that change the way the authorities or the NFL handle his behavior? If so, how?

 

[Banger]

Bangers status:

LOL, I'm sure the various neurologists that have taken brain scans, mri's haven't noticed anything but an internet poster that works in the medical field that has never seen any of Bens records has it figured out. My bad.

 

[Mustang Man]

OK so every time you have a football player act a fool we can just pass it off as brain trauma being a possible reason.

 

[Spike]

Looking back at the pictures and report on Ben's crash, the crash was hard and he wasn't wearing a helmet. However, the reports indicated he was conscious, talking, and aware of the situation before entering surgery. Doctor's reported no significant damage to his brain. While I can imagine riding a motorcycle into the side of a car with no helmet is a very good way to get a TBI, the doctor's didn't seem to find one.

When I was 14, I was in a bad car crash in which (from the back seat) I went through the windshield. This happened on a Friday and my next memory was (and still is) a week later when I came to in a hospital bed.Years later, when I joined the Army, I needed to provide details of the accident and was stunned to find out (from the medical reports) that I was lucid, talking and had perfect motor skills right afterwards.

So just because he seemed fine after the accident doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[cobalt_27]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee...he has suffered significant damage.

No, you actually can't.For what it's worth, I am a neuropsychologist and see dozens of brain trauma patients every year. Given the heterogeneity of these patients and their residual symptoms (or lack thereof), not to mention the unresolved literature on this topic, that you cannot guarantee a single thing with respect to whether BR has suffered "significant" damage, let alone whether he is experiencing any lasting effects due to brain trauma.

Apples and oranges. Not all head injuries are the same. Not to mention, it might surprise you to learn that not all individuals are the same, either, and not all individuals share the same genetics or environmental experiences that lend themselves to greater risk for residual cognitive deficits or, in fact, are protective against residual cognitive effects.

Don't fall into the simple trap of comparing one incident to another and inferring causality here. The entire concept of CTE still is in its infancy here, and the fact that Henry was determined on autopsy to have CTE does not even necessarily mean it developed as a result of football-related trauma.

ETA: I just read your subsequent post that noted you have worked with brain injured patients for the last 5 years. Might I ask in what capacity?

 

[Ilov80s]

Bangers status:

LOL, I'm sure the various neurologists that have taken brain scans, mri's haven't noticed anything but an internet poster that works in the medical field that has never seen any of Bens records has it figured out. My bad.

Unfortunately at the moment, CTE can not be identified until after death.

 

[Ilov80s]

With the news of the damage done to Chris Henry's brain, I wonder if this might convince people that Ben may have more significant brain damage than expected.

What does the apple have to do with the orange here?

Apples and oranges? They are both human beings playing the same sport for a living. Ben would seem to be at an even higher risk given his helmetless bike crash and his concussion history. I think there a lot of people here that don't really understand brain injuries and the kinds of impact they can have. I can guarantee...he has suffered significant damage.

No, you actually can't.For what it's worth, I am a neuropsychologist and see dozens of brain trauma patients every year. Given the heterogeneity of these patients and their residual symptoms (or lack thereof), not to mention the unresolved literature on this topic, that you cannot guarantee a single thing with respect to whether BR has suffered "significant" damage, let alone whether he is experiencing any lasting effects due to brain trauma.

Apples and oranges. Not all head injuries are the same. Not to mention, it might surprise you to learn that not all individuals are the same, either, and not all individuals share the same genetics or environmental experiences that lend themselves to greater risk for residual cognitive deficits or, in fact, are protective against residual cognitive effects.

Don't fall into the simple trap of comparing one incident to another and inferring causality here. The entire concept of CTE still is in its infancy here, and the fact that Henry was determined on autopsy to have CTE does not even necessarily mean it developed as a result of football-related trauma.

ETA: I just read your subsequent post that noted you have worked with brain injured patients for the last 5 years. Might I ask in what capacity?

Everything you say is correct and I have no doubt that your knowledge in this area is far beyond my. However, it does seem that the studies I have read seem to indicate a significant connection between the number of concussions and neuropsych performance. I am not saying Ben's behavior is because of his injury or that he should get a pass. I am saying it is not something to laugh and given Ben's history, he should be very cautious about how he proceeds as a professional football player. His job and the way he plays it is putting himself at serious risk. Henry's CTE may not be football related, but there does seem to be a connection right now with football players, erratic behavior, and brain injuries. To say I can guarantee anything was wrong as nobody can really guarantee much when it comes to the brain. However, Ben has a lot of serious red flags. I worked with http://www.specialtree.com/ a company that specializes in caring for people after TBI and spinal cord injuries. The company has everything from residential hospitals to learning centers for students with TBIs. I worked as part of the rehab team for people with brain injuries- specializing in improving their cognitive functioning and working directly with their doctors, psychologists, PT/OT, teachers, and social workers.

 

[Ilov80s]

Even if his behavior is due to brain damage of some sort, should that change the way the authorities or the NFL handle his behavior? If so, how?

I don't think it should impact how the NFL handles any discipline issues. It should impact how the NFL monitors the health of players brains. I feel like more often medical testing and analysis is done on players knees than their brains which doesn't make sense. The NFL should be doing long term monitoring of all players cognitive functions. With closer monitoring they may be able to better ID players who are experiencing degenerative conditions as early as possible and perhaps prevent compounding the condition with further blows to the head. The NFL does scan and monitor players who have suffered concussions, but as we are learning about conditions like CTE, the only early warning signs maynot be seen with technology, but through testing of things such as memory or depression.

 

[fatness]

Even if his behavior is due to brain damage of some sort, should that change the way the authorities or the NFL handle his behavior?

I don't think it should, no.People are lumping 2 things together, as though admitting that brain injuries occur somehow excuses everyone from all responsibility. The 2 things are separate. Understanding more about brain injuries is important and desirable, so that they can be prevented and/or treated earlier. Consequences of behavior are a different matter entirely.