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Could Deangelo Williams get traded? (1 Viewer)

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I bring it up based on this quote in Rotoworld...

Beat writer Darin Gantt speculates that the Panthers could choose to let DeAngelo Williams walk when his contract is up after the 2010 season.Jonathan Stewart has proven he can carry the load even if he doesn't practice. And undrafted waiver pickup Tyrell Sutton has impressed as the backup when Williams has been sidelined. Rolling with those two in 2011 isn't far-fetched considering how much it will cost to keep Williams. The Panthers need to spend money on improving their depth and finding a franchise quarterback.
A lot of things could happen in Carolina this off season. Fox gone? Jake gone? 2010 is the last year of Deangelo's contract and Carolina would be in good shape at the position without him. Would Carolina consider trading Deangelo? If so, for what?....to who?
 
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I think they keep him for the final year of his contract but would be very surprised if he's back after that. He'll command a very high contract, he'll be 28.5 at the start of the 2011 season and they already have Stewart and need help elsewhere. Would make zero sense to spend the money it would take to keep Williams when you have the kind of holes they do.

 
I bring it up based on this quote in Rotoworld...

Beat writer Darin Gantt speculates that the Panthers could choose to let DeAngelo Williams walk when his contract is up after the 2010 season.Jonathan Stewart has proven he can carry the load even if he doesn't practice. And undrafted waiver pickup Tyrell Sutton has impressed as the backup when Williams has been sidelined. Rolling with those two in 2011 isn't far-fetched considering how much it will cost to keep Williams. The Panthers need to spend money on improving their depth and finding a franchise quarterback.
A lot of things could happen in Carolina this off season. Fox gone? Jake gone? 2010 is the last year of Deangelo's contract and Carolina would be in good shape at the position without him. Would Carolina consider trading Deangelo? If so, for what?....to who?
That quote is based on speculation on Gantt's part. That said, it COULD happen.Assuming Carolina can find a trade partner, it makes some sense. 2010 is Williams' last season under contract. If they don't trade him, they would have to either pay him a lot of money, or get nothing in exchange for him. If they feel comfortable with Stewart going into 2010, they might trade him.That being said, I don't think it will happen. There's been no reports of this being possible, considered, even discussed. It's easy for reporters, radio hosts, fans, etc to speculate about these things. They come to fruition MUCH LESS FREQUENTLY than they are talked about.
 
I think they keep him for the final year of his contract but would be very surprised if he's back after that. He'll command a very high contract, he'll be 28.5 at the start of the 2011 season and they already have Stewart and need help elsewhere. Would make zero sense to spend the money it would take to keep Williams when you have the kind of holes they do.
Questions to ask are.....Is Carolina going to contend in 2010?........Is it worth it to keep Deangelo if Carolina can not contend?........Just what could Carolina get for Deangelo?.......A 2nd and 4th rounder?........A 2nd and 3rd rounder?
 
I bring it up based on this quote in Rotoworld...

Beat writer Darin Gantt speculates that the Panthers could choose to let DeAngelo Williams walk when his contract is up after the 2010 season.Jonathan Stewart has proven he can carry the load even if he doesn't practice. And undrafted waiver pickup Tyrell Sutton has impressed as the backup when Williams has been sidelined. Rolling with those two in 2011 isn't far-fetched considering how much it will cost to keep Williams. The Panthers need to spend money on improving their depth and finding a franchise quarterback.
A lot of things could happen in Carolina this off season. Fox gone? Jake gone? 2010 is the last year of Deangelo's contract and Carolina would be in good shape at the position without him. Would Carolina consider trading Deangelo? If so, for what?....to who?
Gantt is speculating because of how well Stewart played against the Vikings. I don't think it's very comforting to have to rely on a RB that can't practice one day out of the week, because of a lingering achilles problem that's been going on since last spring. Stewart is a great RB, but he has some health issues with his feet. Hopefully they can figure out how to help him in the offseason. I don't think Fox will be fired at the end of the year. He has one year left on his contract, and I think Richardson will give him that year. I think DeAngelo will be with the team next year for the last year of his contract, but I don't know what the Panthers will do after that. They definitely need two good RB's.
 
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scrumptrulescent said:
I bring it up based on this quote in Rotoworld...

Beat writer Darin Gantt speculates that the Panthers could choose to let DeAngelo Williams walk when his contract is up after the 2010 season.Jonathan Stewart has proven he can carry the load even if he doesn't practice. And undrafted waiver pickup Tyrell Sutton has impressed as the backup when Williams has been sidelined. Rolling with those two in 2011 isn't far-fetched considering how much it will cost to keep Williams. The Panthers need to spend money on improving their depth and finding a franchise quarterback.
A lot of things could happen in Carolina this off season. Fox gone? Jake gone? 2010 is the last year of Deangelo's contract and Carolina would be in good shape at the position without him. Would Carolina consider trading Deangelo? If so, for what?....to who?
Gantt is speculating because of how well Stewart played against the Vikings. I don't think it's very comforting to have to rely on a RB that can't practice one day out of the week, because of a lingering achilles problem that's been going on since last spring. Stewart is a great RB, but he has some health issues with his feet. Hopefully they can figure out how to help him in the offseason. I don't think Fox will be fired at the end of the year. He has one year left on his contract, and I think Richardson will give him that year. I think DeAngelo will be with the team next year for the last year of his contract, but I don't know what the Panthers will do after that. They definitely need two good RB's.
Honestly, I don't think it's that bad of a move to keep Fox. I'm wondering though, and asking you because you're a Carolina homer, what will they do at QB? This team could probably contend next year with a solid QB, and maybe another WR. Jake may be too far gone.Carolina would be very interesting to me if they were to trade for Anquan Boldin.
 
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So twist the question. Can moving Deangelo Williams help get Carolina a QB that will get them competitive in 10 or 11?

And is a new QB enough.

 
I doubt it. His base salary is only $725,000. (plus incentives). And how many team owners or gm's actually believe they won't contend for the playoffs any given year? Not many.

 
i think yes, especially if stewart keeps going the last few games this year.

DWILL is probably still better then most of the RBs in this draft and is proven. certainly worth a mid 1st i would think for a team looking for a solid rb. say a seattle like team.

 
scrumptrulescent said:
I bring it up based on this quote in Rotoworld...

Beat writer Darin Gantt speculates that the Panthers could choose to let DeAngelo Williams walk when his contract is up after the 2010 season.

Jonathan Stewart has proven he can carry the load even if he doesn't practice. And undrafted waiver pickup Tyrell Sutton has impressed as the backup when Williams has been sidelined. Rolling with those two in 2011 isn't far-fetched considering how much it will cost to keep Williams. The Panthers need to spend money on improving their depth and finding a franchise quarterback.
A lot of things could happen in Carolina this off season. Fox gone? Jake gone? 2010 is the last year of Deangelo's contract and Carolina would be in good shape at the position without him. Would Carolina consider trading Deangelo? If so, for what?....to who?
have (and would keep both) so this would be more than fine. Except that he seems like a 78 million back for Al Davis to add to his cast of mercenaries this summer. I have a feeling AL might even outspend Jerrah for the highest payroll in a non capped year. He has loot. He ain't afraid to spend it, and he loves fast players. And he would love it as a big #### YOU to the league that save one random trip to the superbowl, has largely laughed at him for the last 2 decades. He's getting old and u know he is sick of losing. The uncapped year allows for him to outbully everyone, and not have to attempt to slot backs because of previous horrible cap management/Big $$ long term deals to schmucks. This year he gets to put his team on the field. In fact I think I'm gonna spin this off. Happy Holidays! :banned:

can we get a "smoke signals".gif

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NE and CAR should swap RBs...Williams for Maroney plus draft picks.

It would be Belichick's chance to make up for not selecting him in the 2006 draft when he had the chance.

 
Honestly, I don't think it's that bad of a move to keep Fox. I'm wondering though, and asking you because you're a Carolina homer, what will they do at QB? This team could probably contend next year with a solid QB, and maybe another WR. Jake may be too far gone.Carolina would be very interesting to me if they were to trade for Anquan Boldin.
I think Jake will probably be on the roster next year, but I hope he isn't the starter. I have no idea who the starting QB will be, but they need someone else other than Jake to be the starter. Jake just doesn't have the skills anymore to perform on a high level. It's not that he doesn't have the arm strength, he just doesn't have the accuracy. They need to find a good WR to be on the field with Smith. Moose can probably be kept for cheap and can be a WR3. I hope they don't tie up a bunch of money again in Julius Peppers. We really lacked a lot of good depth this year due to the 1 million $ a game man.
 
i think yes, especially if stewart keeps going the last few games this year.DWILL is probably still better then most of the RBs in this draft and is proven. certainly worth a mid 1st i would think for a team looking for a solid rb. say a seattle like team.
I just don't think the market is there for RBs to be worth that much (a 1st rounder), even a guy as talented as Williams.
 
will williams be a free agent in 2011 if the cba agreement is not renewed since he won't have 6 accrued seasons?

 
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Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.

 
Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.
Is there even a QB coming out in 2010 that can be labelled a potential "franchise" guy?Interesting......the Redskins may be in need of a RB in 2010 for <Shanahan's> offense, and they have a high 2nd rounder.
 
Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.
Is there even a QB coming out in 2010 that can be labelled a potential "franchise" guy?Interesting......the Redskins may be in need of a RB in 2010 for <Shanahan's> offense, and they have a high 2nd rounder.
I know I will get laughed at from the naysayers on this board, but Shanahan is loyal to his RB's. If he coaches the Skins next year, he will give Portis every chance to win the job as an every down back. If Clinton can't handle the workload, then you will see a timeshare between Portis/Betts/Cartright. Most of you think that's all Shanny is capable of anyway, but it's not and never has been true. If he drafts a RB, I doubt it will be an early pick.
 
They should. I think they could get a late first for him.

A team like GB, NE, or SD should salivate at the thought of adding him to their offense.

 
We all know it is unlikely because of how difficult it is to pull off trades in the NFl and RBs in particular seem to have little real value. But it wouldn't surprise me given how good Stewart is and their contract situations.

 
Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.
Is there even a QB coming out in 2010 that can be labelled a potential "franchise" guy?Interesting......the Redskins may be in need of a RB in 2010 for <Shanahan's> offense, and they have a high 2nd rounder.
I know I will get laughed at from the naysayers on this board, but Shanahan is loyal to his RB's. If he coaches the Skins next year, he will give Portis every chance to win the job as an every down back. If Clinton can't handle the workload, then you will see a timeshare between Portis/Betts/Cartright. Most of you think that's all Shanny is capable of anyway, but it's not and never has been true. If he drafts a RB, I doubt it will be an early pick.
YOu look like a Denver fan so I assume you know what you are talking about, but...I just don't get this. He TRADED Portis. How loyal is that? And it seems like he pretty much always jettisons the starting RB from the year before.
 
Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.
Is there even a QB coming out in 2010 that can be labelled a potential "franchise" guy?Interesting......the Redskins may be in need of a RB in 2010 for <Shanahan's> offense, and they have a high 2nd rounder.
I know I will get laughed at from the naysayers on this board, but Shanahan is loyal to his RB's. If he coaches the Skins next year, he will give Portis every chance to win the job as an every down back. If Clinton can't handle the workload, then you will see a timeshare between Portis/Betts/Cartright. Most of you think that's all Shanny is capable of anyway, but it's not and never has been true. If he drafts a RB, I doubt it will be an early pick.
He TRADED Portis.
NO HE DIDN'T
 
As a DeAngelo owner, I sure hope Sutton or Goodson showcases a lot these last few weeks and gives them the motive to trade him. He's wasted there except for last year. They can't afford to pay a guy top $ to have him play 55-60% of the snaps anyway.

 
i think yes, especially if stewart keeps going the last few games this year.DWILL is probably still better then most of the RBs in this draft and is proven. certainly worth a mid 1st i would think for a team looking for a solid rb. say a seattle like team.
probably still better than most?? he's definitely better than all rbs in the draft. he'd be the perfect get for the texans. in his prime with low tread on his tires, and in theory, the texans plan to contend these next 2-3 years. unfortunately, they arent smart enough to go after him if we was even available.
 
i think yes, especially if stewart keeps going the last few games this year.DWILL is probably still better then most of the RBs in this draft and is proven. certainly worth a mid 1st i would think for a team looking for a solid rb. say a seattle like team.
probably still better than most?? he's definitely better than all rbs in the draft. he'd be the perfect get for the texans. in his prime with low tread on his tires, and in theory, the texans plan to contend these next 2-3 years. unfortunately, they arent smart enough to go after him if we was even available.
Didn't even think about them as a suitor. Perfect. His fumbles/carry ratio is fantastic. Their backs are fumble machines. But you are right, they aren't that smart.
 
Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.
Is there even a QB coming out in 2010 that can be labelled a potential "franchise" guy?Interesting......the Redskins may be in need of a RB in 2010 for <Shanahan's> offense, and they have a high 2nd rounder.
I know I will get laughed at from the naysayers on this board, but Shanahan is loyal to his RB's. If he coaches the Skins next year, he will give Portis every chance to win the job as an every down back. If Clinton can't handle the workload, then you will see a timeshare between Portis/Betts/Cartright. Most of you think that's all Shanny is capable of anyway, but it's not and never has been true. If he drafts a RB, I doubt it will be an early pick.
YOu look like a Denver fan so I assume you know what you are talking about, but...I just don't get this. He TRADED Portis. How loyal is that? And it seems like he pretty much always jettisons the starting RB from the year before.
Maybe loyal was the wrong word to use. The point I was trying to make is that despite popular belief, Shanahan prefers to have a feature back, and as long as he has one that can carry the burden, he will give that guy the lion's share of the carries. Shanny only used the RBBC that frustrated fantasy owners for so long out of necessity. As far as the Portis trade, that was more about contrat issues. Portis wanted to renegotiate his rookie contract early and that is one area that Shanahan didn't bend on his policy of not reworking a contract until the final year of the contract. Portis started to get frustrated and the opportunity arose to trade for Champ, and the rest is history.
 
Carolina has no first round pick in 2010 - hard to see how they have any chance at landing a potential franchise QB before 2011 without a trade.
Is there even a QB coming out in 2010 that can be labelled a potential "franchise" guy?Interesting......the Redskins may be in need of a RB in 2010 for <Shanahan's> offense, and they have a high 2nd rounder.
I know I will get laughed at from the naysayers on this board, but Shanahan is loyal to his RB's. If he coaches the Skins next year, he will give Portis every chance to win the job as an every down back. If Clinton can't handle the workload, then you will see a timeshare between Portis/Betts/Cartright. Most of you think that's all Shanny is capable of anyway, but it's not and never has been true. If he drafts a RB, I doubt it will be an early pick.
YOu look like a Denver fan so I assume you know what you are talking about, but...I just don't get this. He TRADED Portis. How loyal is that? And it seems like he pretty much always jettisons the starting RB from the year before.
Maybe loyal was the wrong word to use. The point I was trying to make is that despite popular belief, Shanahan prefers to have a feature back, and as long as he has one that can carry the burden, he will give that guy the lion's share of the carries. Shanny only used the RBBC that frustrated fantasy owners for so long out of necessity. As far as the Portis trade, that was more about contrat issues. Portis wanted to renegotiate his rookie contract early and that is one area that Shanahan didn't bend on his policy of not reworking a contract until the final year of the contract. Portis started to get frustrated and the opportunity arose to trade for Champ, and the rest is history.
that's all true, but I think that Shanahan's history of drafting poor CB's and getting torched by Indy in the playoffs made him REALLY want a good CB...the trade was as much about Champ as it was about Portis, IMO.
 
This might get alittle more attention after Stewart's preformance again today while getting the start.

If Carolina could get a 2nd round draft pick, would they trade DeAngelo if they were planning on not resigning him the following year anyways.

I could think of a couple of teams that would be interested

Washington, Houston, San Diego, New England, Miami, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle and TB

 
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This might get alittle more attention after Stewart's preformance again today while getting the start.

If Carolina could get a 2nd round draft pick, would they trade DeAngelo if they were planning on not resigning him the following year anyways.

I could think of a couple of teams that would be interested

Washington, Houston, San Diego, New England, Miami, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle and TB
I doubt they'd deal him for just a 2nd rounder. I'm sure they'll listen to offers, but anything short of a 1st rounder and I think they'll hang onto him.
 
couldnt the pats trade them 2 2nd rounders and still have one left for themselves? Let taylor retire, keep maroney, dwill, faulk and bjge and either let morris go or try and put bjge on the practice squad. that would be very interesting.

 
couldnt the pats trade them 2 2nd rounders and still have one left for themselves? Let taylor retire, keep maroney, dwill, faulk and bjge and either let morris go or try and put bjge on the practice squad. that would be very interesting.
this would be ridiculous.
 
Why not keep him for 2010 and then for 2011 franchise him--you either keep him (if Stewart is hurt in 2010) or you trade him them.

 
I wonder if they'll start the season with him and entertain a Cleveland/Edwards type of trade if it's clear before the deadline that they're not going anywhere.

 
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Who knows what will happen to the Panthers in the offseason regarding the head coach position, QB, etc....but if my 2010 fantasy draft were tomorrow, I'd strongly consider burning my 2nd and 3rd round picks on the Carolina RBs if available. Cornering the market on that backfield for a full season would seem to be very profitable.

Anybody use this strategy this year? How did it pan out?

 
Who knows what will happen to the Panthers in the offseason regarding the head coach position, QB, etc....but if my 2010 fantasy draft were tomorrow, I'd strongly consider burning my 2nd and 3rd round picks on the Carolina RBs if available. Cornering the market on that backfield for a full season would seem to be very profitable. Anybody use this strategy this year? How did it pan out?
DWill - 6th pick 1st roundJStew- 78th pick 7th roundplaying for the championship. lucky to have both this year.
 
couldnt the pats trade them 2 2nd rounders and still have one left for themselves? Let taylor retire, keep maroney, dwill, faulk and bjge and either let morris go or try and put bjge on the practice squad. that would be very interesting.
this would be ridiculous.
ridiculous as in it couldnt happen? The pats could take him for a year to make another run. The panthers have a lot of options but i think peak value for dwill will be at the end of this year. I think they'll keep him another year but he could just walk away at that point, does anyone have a clue how franchising someone will work under a new CBA? That backfield is fearsome with both of them but sending dwill away could fill a lot of other holes.
 
They should. I think they could get a late first for him.A team like GB, NE, or SD should salivate at the thought of adding him to their offense.
Deangelo in SD = :hot:
:moneybag:But I don't see it happening. A.J. doesn't seem to trade for or sign high profile players.
He traded for Chris Chambers a few years ago.The Bolts need a featured back. Mathews and Dwyer could be candidates in the late first round, but there's no guarantee that either of them will be available. I think it would make sense for San Diego to trade for Williams if they can sign him to a reasonable extension. Doubt it will happen though.
 
couldnt the pats trade them 2 2nd rounders and still have one left for themselves? Let taylor retire, keep maroney, dwill, faulk and bjge and either let morris go or try and put bjge on the practice squad. that would be very interesting.
this would be ridiculous.
ridiculous as in it couldnt happen? The pats could take him for a year to make another run. The panthers have a lot of options but i think peak value for dwill will be at the end of this year. I think they'll keep him another year but he could just walk away at that point, does anyone have a clue how franchising someone will work under a new CBA? That backfield is fearsome with both of them but sending dwill away could fill a lot of other holes.
no like unfair ridiculous. offense would be even more unstoppable.
 
i think yes, especially if stewart keeps going the last few games this year.DWILL is probably still better then most of the RBs in this draft and is proven. certainly worth a mid 1st i would think for a team looking for a solid rb. say a seattle like team.
as a Giants fan, I will say we'd welcome D'will in a NY minute!exactly the kind of RB the Giants need..the Brandon Jacobs show has been derailed.Bradshaw is a paper-tiger. They lack a quality starting RB, and that is one of the things that will need to be addressed in the off-season..Coughlin should have Fox's # on speed dial if D'will becomes available. :D
 
i think yes, especially if stewart keeps going the last few games this year.DWILL is probably still better then most of the RBs in this draft and is proven. certainly worth a mid 1st i would think for a team looking for a solid rb. say a seattle like team.
as a Giants fan, I will say we'd welcome D'will in a NY minute!exactly the kind of RB the Giants need..the Brandon Jacobs show has been derailed.Bradshaw is a paper-tiger. They lack a quality starting RB, and that is one of the things that will need to be addressed in the off-season..Coughlin should have Fox's # on speed dial if D'will becomes available. :no:
I can't see this happening given Jacobs' contract signed just a year ago.
 
They should. I think they could get a late first for him.A team like GB, NE, or SD should salivate at the thought of adding him to their offense.
Deangelo in SD = :no:
:no:But I don't see it happening. A.J. doesn't seem to trade for or sign high profile players.
He traded for Chris Chambers a few years ago.The Bolts need a featured back. Mathews and Dwyer could be candidates in the late first round, but there's no guarantee that either of them will be available. I think it would make sense for San Diego to trade for Williams if they can sign him to a reasonable extension. Doubt it will happen though.
I don't think Chambers is particularly comparable. Williams is better and higher profile at his position than Chambers was. And Williams will cost more, both in contract dollars and presumably in terms of trade cost.
 
SD, NE, or even the Giants would work VERY WELL for DeAngelo. I doubt it happens, but this DeAngelo/Stewart owner hoping for the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Who knows what will happen to the Panthers in the offseason regarding the head coach position, QB, etc....but if my 2010 fantasy draft were tomorrow, I'd strongly consider burning my 2nd and 3rd round picks on the Carolina RBs if available. Cornering the market on that backfield for a full season would seem to be very profitable. Anybody use this strategy this year? How did it pan out?
Have them both in a RB dominant keeper League (3 starting RBs allowed) along with MJD and Rice and have posted back-to-back Championships. I was actually happy that D Will was out this week knowing Stewart would get the bulk of the carries.
 
Kubiak tried to trade into the 1st round in the 2006 draft for Williams but couldn't get a deal worked out in time. I don't know if there's still interest there, but I do know that Kubiak really like Williams as a player. If Carolina were to shop him you'd think the Texans would at least be willing to listen.

 
During his time in Carolina, Fox and Hurney have shown that they're willing to expend $ and high draft picks to secure elite RB's. They spent money in free agency to get Stephen Davis, and have spent 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders on RB's.

Fox has also proven to be overly loyal to veteran players, even when better alternatives are available. DeAngelo sat for 2 years behind a washed up DeShaun Foster. I even remember watching Stephen Davis start long after he had lost his effectiveness.

Based on these two points, I think Fox and Hurney are perhaps the least likely of any GM/coach pairing to get rid of a productive veteran RB. My guess is that Carolina uses the franchise tag in '11, then lets him walk. Keep in mind that DeAngelo is still on an affordable rookie contract. In addition, you get compensatory picks for free agents that you lose, so as long as he stays healthy, Carolina will receive compensation, even if they don't trade him.

 

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