AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
Do you guys think that Marion Barber has a shot at unseating Julius Jones as the starter in Dallas? I could see Bill Parcells becoming fed up with Jones injuries and going with Barber as his starter. What do you guys think?
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Could Marion Barber unseat Julius Jones in Dallas? (1 Viewer)
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Boston
Footballguy
Absolutely. The Tuna disdains players who get injured that he can't count on. That's a big pet peeve of his. JJ has been hurt in both of his seasons in Big D. If he were to go down again (even if it was only for a game or two) and Barber stepped up (which would not surprise me one bit because he's talented) I think the Tuna would stick with him. The Tuna can be very unforgiving and once you get in his doghouse it can be very difficult to get out of it.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I like JOnes but I will never pay the price to get him. I think Barber is a very nice player to get in later rounds due to the fact that Julius will miss every bit of 3 games a year.
I however think when Jones is healthy he will be the guy. If another serious injury holds him back again then we can revisit the situation for next year.
I however think when Jones is healthy he will be the guy. If another serious injury holds him back again then we can revisit the situation for next year.
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Its true he doesnt like players who get injured but as was shown last year, he will stick with JJ when he is healthy. Barber does not get the tough yards and is too small for short yardage situations. He will never get his shot unless Jones gets a serious injury or leaves the team. Jones was injured and in the doghouse the last two years but Bill went back to him anyway and will again in the future. So the idea that Bill would stick with Barber instead of Jones when he is available just wont happen.
Football Menace
Footballguy
Really? I thought this was Barber's strong suits, along with his hands.
i think JJ is more talented... but he needs to stay healthy... absolutely barber is talented enough to take the job... barber is actually bigger than JJ (220 to 205?) and imo is the tougher inside runner, & plenty big & strong enough to be goal line runner if called upon... that said, JJ is quicker & shiftier, & doesn't necessarily need to be replaced on the goal line, imo...
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Marion is a better fit IMHO. JJ gets the job because he's more of a gamebreaker. Barber could take the job if JJ gets hurt and never give it back ala Rudi and Dillon.
wannabee
Footballguy
Barber is 5'11", 218 lbs. He and Jones had the exact same ypc (3.9)and the same amount of TDs (5), even though Barber had much fewer carries (almost half). I would think that Barber could improve off of his rookie season. Barber does run very hard. FYI, Jones is 5;10", 211 lbs. Here are there stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/406023/gamelogs/2005
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492974/gamelogs/2005
Jones is a talented RB, most will agree. What will happen, we never know about injuries and the way a coach will use his players. All conjecture this time of year.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It's entirely possible. Parcells seems to be a Jones fan, but he's made open remarks about Jones needing to stay healthy in order to be a real help to the team. To be fair, none of Jones' injuries suggest he can't or shouldn't have a healthy season in 2006, but if he doesn't, or he outright struggles, Marion Barber is more than equipped to take the ball and run with it [pun intended].
it also helps that barber is probably more well rounded, if not as talented a pure runner... he is supposedly a better receiver out of the backfield, and uses his size advantage to good effect & is more polished & reliable in blitz pickup...
the DAL OL had some problems last season, & it seems like a long time since JJ exploded in second half of 2004... but if parcells get OL fixed (flozell adams is healthy, got fabini at RT), JJ could shine this year...
he could have bigger lanes with defenses distracted by TO, glenn & witten, & new base 2 TE offense could routinely give DAL blocking matchups they can exploit defenses with (fasano one of best dual threat blocking/receiving TEs in draft)...
if JJ gets room to work, he has the potential to be a special RB (older brother thomas looked great when afforded the opportunity last season, & i thought julius looked better as a rookie at comparable points in their career)...
the DAL OL had some problems last season, & it seems like a long time since JJ exploded in second half of 2004... but if parcells get OL fixed (flozell adams is healthy, got fabini at RT), JJ could shine this year...
he could have bigger lanes with defenses distracted by TO, glenn & witten, & new base 2 TE offense could routinely give DAL blocking matchups they can exploit defenses with (fasano one of best dual threat blocking/receiving TEs in draft)...
if JJ gets room to work, he has the potential to be a special RB (older brother thomas looked great when afforded the opportunity last season, & i thought julius looked better as a rookie at comparable points in their career)...
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Draftnik
Footballguy
JJ's ADP according to the FBG combined list is 21. If I had the 21st pick in a draft that mirrored the ADP list up to my pick, I'd pass on JJ and take any of the three receivers on the board (Moss, Harrison, Boldin).
It would take a very strong preseason out of JJ and signs that the Dallas O is going to explode this year to change my mind.
I like Barber and am targeting him for RB depth this year in my 16 team league.
It would take a very strong preseason out of JJ and signs that the Dallas O is going to explode this year to change my mind.
I like Barber and am targeting him for RB depth this year in my 16 team league.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
That about sums it up for me.I have MB3 as the more talented option and the much cheaper play in Dallas.
Not a JJ fan (not that it matters), but neither is Parcells it seems (which REALLY matters).
nygiants56
Footballguy
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Tuna is trying to motivate JJ with comments about his health or lack there of. If this indeed motivated JJ he has the job. If he does not stay healthy Barber is going to get the rock and it will take an injury from Barber for JJ to get back on the field and Tuna won't look back....
I dont see much changing from last year as for the break down ratio between carries.....its all game dependent. Jones is just a horrid blocker in passing situations and wont be in the game on 3rd downs or in the red zone. I watch quite a bit of JJ cause I have in a league and anytime he was in the game on a passing down he absolutely got bull'd over.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
I really like Barber, and as a Cowboy Fan it's great to have both of em, especially with JJ's injury history, but there is a reason why JJ has 2 of the top 4 all time Cowboys rushing games. He is a special back, who just needs to stay healthy, and everything else will take care of itself.
I have MB3 as the more talented option and the much cheaper play in Dallas.
Not a JJ fan (not that it matters), but neither is Parcells it seems (which REALLY matters).
Traders2001
Footballguy
If JJ stays healthy there is no chance Barber unseats him.
JJ is a special back , if healthy he is easily a top 10 if not a top 5 with TO in the picture .
JJ is a special back , if healthy he is easily a top 10 if not a top 5 with TO in the picture .
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Julie Jones is soft and fragile. Not a good combo.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
MB3 is a complimentary player, not a starter. He isn't fast enough. He had one good game starting and it was against the cardinals.
Julius may not ever stay healthy but if he doesn't the Cowboys will find someone else, they won't throw MB3 in as the starter. They only used a 2nd round pick on Julius and he has a pretty average priced salary cap number.
Julius may not ever stay healthy but if he doesn't the Cowboys will find someone else, they won't throw MB3 in as the starter. They only used a 2nd round pick on Julius and he has a pretty average priced salary cap number.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
IMO, Jones is the better runner but ... Barber is the better FOOTBALL player. If I were a JJ owner I would be nervous
Well said!
wannabee
Footballguy
Cowboys | Barber appears to becoming a Parcells favorite
Published Sun Jun 25 9:36:00 p.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports Dallas Cowboys RB Marion Barber III appears to becoming a favorite of head coach Bill Parcells with his ability to block, catch out of the backfield and pick up yards inside. Barber could push RB Julius Jones for playing time.
Published Sun Jun 25 9:36:00 p.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports Dallas Cowboys RB Marion Barber III appears to becoming a favorite of head coach Bill Parcells with his ability to block, catch out of the backfield and pick up yards inside. Barber could push RB Julius Jones for playing time.