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Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.

 
Bob Magaw said:
MAC_32 said:
Another offseason full of excuses for Bradford, huh?
not playing with stacy the first month is an excuse?

90% QBR is an excuse?
hmm, strange, can't find my original post. Where oh where could it be...
give a reason for your rationale.

maybe you would want to be in a thread where thousands of people dumptruck non-substantive posts like bradford excuses, bradford excuses, bradford excuses, bradford excuses, bradford excuses, bradford excuses, bradford excuses.

but i don't think that is what most people want.

in this case, i responded to a post that in retrospect seemed unnecessary. it didn't add anything, so i stripped away some of the clutter. like the smell ya later post. like the why did you delete the smell ya later post should have been deleted, but was left as an example. as is this.

 
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How about every season under Bradford? Every year it ends with a sub 500 record and or an injury. Then everything is blamed except for him.

 
I was a huge Bradford fan when he came out, but he has disappointed every single year. Why will it change now?

 
I was a huge Bradford fan when he came out, but he has disappointed every single year. Why will it change now?
that is an excellent reason.

because his HC, OL, WRs are better, the OC seems to have somewhat figured out what his weapons are (recall stacy didn't play first month) and how to use them (recall even a detractor noting the obvious, austin was given ridiculous routes at the beginning of the year... we haven't spoke about bailey, who imo is the second best WR on the team, has just begun starting, bradford didn't get to play much with him at all, he reminds me of a cross between hines ward/derrick mason), they have potentially the 1.2 pick and a 1.14 pick with which they could add reinforcements at OL and/or WR, he was off to a career best start with 14/4 TD/INT ratio in less than seven full games, the defense was still gelling at the beginning of the season, which is understandable, they were onboarding rookies ogletree and mcdonald (cortland finnegan, now on IR, was abominable this year, like a snowman), they are playing better now. i could go on.

look, you talked about control.

you are trying very hard to shape this conversation, when several people asked to please get back on track (including myself).

i asked for numbers, you made an excuse, i explained why it should be easy to come up with numbers that would satisfy you that he was better than average, without needing to post your actual expectations ahead of time, you declined.

that is what i would like to talk about.

otherwise, again, please change the subject, or move on.

i realize this is an exercise in demonstrating for the board you can give your rationale better than smell ya later. point taken. duly noted.

 
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If Clowney falls in the lap of JAX at pick #3, does anyone else think that JAX would probably be willing to trade back into the middle of the first to grab a Bortles/Carr/Manziel if they fell to the middle(maybe even late) of the first round? Seems like there are a lot of teams(like the Chargers for instance) that would really benefit in having more picks.

What would JAX have to give up to trade up to the middle of the first if it was to draft what they considered a franchise QB?

Or do people think that the next tier of QB's are solid enough that JAX would just sit tight and take the best one at the top of the second round?

 
I was a huge Bradford fan when he came out, but he has disappointed every single year. Why will it change now?
that is an excellent reason.

because his HC, OL, WRs are better, the OC seems to have somewhat figured out what his weapons are (recall stacy didn't play first month) and how to use them (recall even a detractor noting the obvious, austin was given ridiculous routes at the beginning of the year... we haven't spoke about bailey, who imo is the second best WR on the team, has just begun starting, bradford didn't get to play much with him at all, he reminds me of a cross between hines ward/derrick mason), they have potentially the 1.2 pick and a 1.14 pick with which they could add reinforcements at OL and/or WR, he was off to a career best start with 14/4 TD/INT ratio in less than seven full games, the defense was still still gelling at the beginning of the season, which is understandable, they were onboarding rookies ogletree and mcdonald, they are playing better now. i could go on.

look, you talked about control.

you are trying very hard to shape this conversation, when several people asked to please get back on track (including myself).

i asked for numbers, you made an excuse, i explained why it should be easy to come up with numbers that would satisfy you that he was better than average, without needing to post your actual expectations ahead of time, you declined.

that is what i would like to talk about.

otherwise, again, please change the subject, or move on.

i realize this is an exercise in demonstrating for the board you can give your rationale better than smell ya later. point taken. duly noted.
I don't like being told what I can and cannot talk about. If you don't want to talk about it then stop replying.His early season numbers are skewed from playing catch up vs Atlanta and Dallas in the prevent and two of the worst teams in the league. The only two good defenses he played after week one? Laid over and died.

I think the whole organization is to blame for the mis use of Austin. Obvious management and the coaching staff were not on the same page in the draft room because the coaching staff had no clue how to use him. IMHO, they still don't. Not a good sign for the long term at all.

 
Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.
Assuming Bridgewater goes to Houston, he's going to luck out in going to a much better team than normally drafts first.

 
Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.
me, too.

moving right along. HOU and MIN are interesting cases of 2012 playoff teams that underperformed for various reasons (among them bad QB play, certainly cushing and foster going on IR, two of the three best players on the roster with dre johnson, hurt a lot - and they lost a bunch of close games, which was arguably flukey, at least in part). usually the top QBs go to bad teams, and that is why they are drafting where they are (unless the pick or QB was acquired through trade).

KC will be the 2014 offseason poster boy and exemplar that owners of bottom 10 teams will hold up to their front offices of how a quality HC and efficient QB can collapse years off of a multi-year rebuild and turnaround project.

back to the point, assuming foster and cushing return, with a good OL, an outstanding WR tandem in johnson and hopkins, if it is bridgewater (carr didn't light it up today against USC, i don't see it being manziel, i don't know bortles that well, i've heard rothliesberger comps, but i don't think he is as big, but it could be him?), he is going to be set up for success, without a lot of pressure on him because of the supporting cast and surrounding talent.

size and physical stature are questions, but it sounds like he has a lot more positives on the ledger, good (if not great) arm, accurate, can make all the throws, bright, hard working, humble (presumably coachable), leadership traits and other intangibles. we still need to get through the scouting process, and we don't even know if he declares yet. but absolutely, i could see him going #1 overall. if not for clowney's serious questions, maybe it would be a tougher decision for me. even still, i think i'd take the QB if he looks the part. with clowney's questions, it seems like a slam dunk? and i'm not convinced clowney would be a natural fit in a 3-4 (though a new coach could convert to a 4-3, but why when they have a lot of 3-4 personnel already?)...

 
I was a huge Bradford fan when he came out, but he has disappointed every single year. Why will it change now?
that is an excellent reason.

because his HC, OL, WRs are better, the OC seems to have somewhat figured out what his weapons are (recall stacy didn't play first month) and how to use them (recall even a detractor noting the obvious, austin was given ridiculous routes at the beginning of the year... we haven't spoke about bailey, who imo is the second best WR on the team, has just begun starting, bradford didn't get to play much with him at all, he reminds me of a cross between hines ward/derrick mason), they have potentially the 1.2 pick and a 1.14 pick with which they could add reinforcements at OL and/or WR, he was off to a career best start with 14/4 TD/INT ratio in less than seven full games, the defense was still still gelling at the beginning of the season, which is understandable, they were onboarding rookies ogletree and mcdonald, they are playing better now. i could go on.

look, you talked about control.

you are trying very hard to shape this conversation, when several people asked to please get back on track (including myself).

i asked for numbers, you made an excuse, i explained why it should be easy to come up with numbers that would satisfy you that he was better than average, without needing to post your actual expectations ahead of time, you declined.

that is what i would like to talk about.

otherwise, again, please change the subject, or move on.

i realize this is an exercise in demonstrating for the board you can give your rationale better than smell ya later. point taken. duly noted.
I don't like being told what I can and cannot talk about. If you don't want to talk about it then stop replying.His early season numbers are skewed from playing catch up vs Atlanta and Dallas in the prevent and two of the worst teams in the league. The only two good defenses he played after week one? Laid over and died.

I think the whole organization is to blame for the mis use of Austin. Obvious management and the coaching staff were not on the same page in the draft room because the coaching staff had no clue how to use him. IMHO, they still don't. Not a good sign for the long term at all.
sorry. i don't like having the thread hijacked, or having to ask 10 times to please change the subject or move on, or have to answer questions about why smell ya later posts are deleted, or to continue in a one sided conversation where i am answering the questions of the other party, but mine are stonewalled for arbitrary reasons.

so i'm going to go with the option of not answering any more (after this, of course)... and i didn't need that explained that it was an option, it was pretty obvious after ten times of having to request changing the subject or moving on being ignored, it was not going to be fruitful to pursue this further. thanks for your valuable contributions to the thread, though.

* my response to further bradford-related material...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK8mneO8yvU

 
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I was a huge Bradford fan when he came out, but he has disappointed every single year. Why will it change now?
that is an excellent reason.

because his HC, OL, WRs are better, the OC seems to have somewhat figured out what his weapons are (recall stacy didn't play first month) and how to use them (recall even a detractor noting the obvious, austin was given ridiculous routes at the beginning of the year... we haven't spoke about bailey, who imo is the second best WR on the team, has just begun starting, bradford didn't get to play much with him at all, he reminds me of a cross between hines ward/derrick mason), they have potentially the 1.2 pick and a 1.14 pick with which they could add reinforcements at OL and/or WR, he was off to a career best start with 14/4 TD/INT ratio in less than seven full games, the defense was still still gelling at the beginning of the season, which is understandable, they were onboarding rookies ogletree and mcdonald, they are playing better now. i could go on.

look, you talked about control.

you are trying very hard to shape this conversation, when several people asked to please get back on track (including myself).

i asked for numbers, you made an excuse, i explained why it should be easy to come up with numbers that would satisfy you that he was better than average, without needing to post your actual expectations ahead of time, you declined.

that is what i would like to talk about.

otherwise, again, please change the subject, or move on.

i realize this is an exercise in demonstrating for the board you can give your rationale better than smell ya later. point taken. duly noted.
I don't like being told what I can and cannot talk about. If you don't want to talk about it then stop replying.His early season numbers are skewed from playing catch up vs Atlanta and Dallas in the prevent and two of the worst teams in the league. The only two good defenses he played after week one? Laid over and died.

I think the whole organization is to blame for the mis use of Austin. Obvious management and the coaching staff were not on the same page in the draft room because the coaching staff had no clue how to use him. IMHO, they still don't. Not a good sign for the long term at all.
sorry. i don't like having the thread hijacked, or having to ask 10 times to please change the subject or move on, or have to anwser questions about why smell ya later posts are deleted, or to continue in a one sided conversation where i am answering the question of the other party, but mine are refused.

so i'm going to go with the option of not answering any more. thanks for your valuable contributions to the thread, though.
then ask better questions, questions about numbers for anyone in 2014 are silly in December.Questions about how Bradford accumulated his 2013 numbers? Much more relevant. He had a good game week one against a good Arizona defense, but...week one. After that, all of his numbers were piled up against little resistance.

Can't fault St. Louis for looking at qb if they so choose.

 
If Clowney falls in the lap of JAX at pick #3, does anyone else think that JAX would probably be willing to trade back into the middle of the first to grab a Bortles/Carr/Manziel if they fell to the middle(maybe even late) of the first round? Seems like there are a lot of teams(like the Chargers for instance) that would really benefit in having more picks.

What would JAX have to give up to trade up to the middle of the first if it was to draft what they considered a franchise QB?

Or do people think that the next tier of QB's are solid enough that JAX would just sit tight and take the best one at the top of the second round?
I think it's definitely as possibility. I don't know what it would cost to do so, but they've got some extra picks to play with this year.
 
If Clowney falls in the lap of JAX at pick #3, does anyone else think that JAX would probably be willing to trade back into the middle of the first to grab a Bortles/Carr/Manziel if they fell to the middle(maybe even late) of the first round? Seems like there are a lot of teams(like the Chargers for instance) that would really benefit in having more picks.

What would JAX have to give up to trade up to the middle of the first if it was to draft what they considered a franchise QB?

Or do people think that the next tier of QB's are solid enough that JAX would just sit tight and take the best one at the top of the second round?
good questions, BB.

and thanx for the alternative content (ANY alternative content), it is much appreciated.

you have asked a few questions.

imo, based on current order, clowney will fall into JAX's hands, if they want him, unless a team like ATL trades into the #1, or more likely, #2 slot (i think STL would like to move down a few picks and still get a probable target like matthews or watkins). so JAX, one of the teams most in need of a QB (earlier this year it seemed inconceivable they wouldn't take a QB with a high pick... and maybe they do pass on the DE, but bradley's background is defense, and SEA is enamored with freak athletes).

but would bortles, carr or manziel make it to the mid round? moot point if not, than they might just wait for a QB like mccarron, not expected to go in the first, but possibly anytime after. and maybe they grade mccarron higher than a QB like a carr, anyways, which could make the decision to wait until the second and not trade up even easier. but if not JAX, maybe another team?

SD mentioned as a possible trade down team, though if a LT drops (like lewan, ewing or robinson?), maybe they would just want to keep the pick (of course, JAX could look for other partners).

this year, it seemed like there was a lot of variance in what teams got relative to "the chart". maybe the closest to the movement you are describing was SF getting the #18 pick from DAL in return for the #31 AND a third (albeit a high one - #74 overall), in order to take FS eric reid.*

* http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/25/eric-reid-49ers-cowboys-trade-nfl-draft/

 
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Early Look At The NFL Draft (by position, based on interviews with three personnel execs)...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/early-look-at-the-nfl-draft-b99168238z1-236899801.html

Early look at the NFL draft
By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel
Dec. 21, 2013 9:33 p.m.

Here is a look at how the National Football League draft of 2014 is shaping up based on interviews with three executives in personnel last week. As of early last week, a total of 201 underclassmen had requested evaluations from the NFL's College Advisory Committee. They have until Jan. 15 to declare for the draft.

RECEIVERS

The last draft with more than four first-round wide receivers was 2009. After two below-average to poor wideout drafts, this one should be much better.

"Hypothetically, there are seven first-round projections," one scout said.

Juniors Sammy Watkins (6-1, 205) of Clemson, Odell Beckham (5-11, 193) of Louisiana State and Marqise Lee (6-0, 195) of Southern California, and redshirt sophomores Mike Evans (6-5, 225) of Texas A&M and Kelvin Benjamin (6-5, 225) of Florida State head the list.

"Very average as a senior group," said another scout. "The juniors will enhance every position. When you start to see these redshirt sophomores and juniors come out in droves like they have, you're going to rely on them for a draft."

Watkins has 4.35-second speed in the 40-yard dash and excellent hands.

"True playmaker and he's a returner as well," one scout said of Watkins." Lee will be one of the top players in the draft. Very good speed. He was injured a lot this year and didn't have quite the numbers you're looking for, but he's a top-10 pick."

Evans had 65 receptions for 1,322 yards (20.3) and 12 touchdowns.

"More of a strider but very sure-handed," one scout said. "He's got phenomenal size. He understands how to use his size to post up."

Beckham is a precise route runner with superb skill after the catch. Benjamin is talented but raw.

Wisconsin's Jared Abbrederis (6-1, 190) is going to the Senior Bowl after a 73-catch season. He scored 32 on the Wonderlic intelligence test.

"He's going to be drafted in the third or fourth round but will be a competitive player from Day 1," one scout said. "If he goes to Denver or New England, he may catch 80 balls in his rookie year. He runs good routes. He'll be a slot receiver."

Juniors Eric Ebron (6-4, 245) of North Carolina, Austin Seferian-Jenkins (6-6, 276) of Washington and Jace Amaro (6-5, 260) of Texas Tech all have first-round shots at tight end.

"Ebron's a really good athlete," one scout said. "Can run. Outstanding hands. Can run after the catch. He's your receiving tight end. Antonio Gates-like."

Seferian-Jenkins tends to be more of a receiver as well but has the size to grow into a blocker.

"He's going to be close to (Rob) Gronkowski, talent-wise," one scout said. "Now he's lazy. Like there's always something with him. But he can be on the line and block."

Iowa's C.J. Fiedorowicz (6-5½, 265) might be the best senior and should be gone by the third round.

Colt Lyerla (6-5, 250) was arrested for cocaine possession in October several weeks after leaving Oregon as a junior.

"He's the wild card in this whole thing," one scout said. "Extremely talented kid. Is he going to be the Aaron Hernandez kind of player, a first-round talent that somebody got in the fourth? But just a real nightmare in that regard (off the field)."

OFFENSIVE LINE

Personnel men don't see a franchise left tackle in the draft but it's still another strong, deep position.

"There's probably five tackles that can go in the first round," one scout said. "Six if you factor in the Auburn kid.

"Everybody knows what they get with Jake Matthews. (Cyrus) Kouandjio is a good player. Taylor Lewan's a good player. The other tackle (Cedric Ogbuehi) from Texas A&M is a good player. They're all first-rounders."

Matthews (6-4½, 305) is a four-year starter who moved from RT to LT this season. His father, Bruce, was a Hall of Fame offensive lineman.

"Good, not a great athlete," one scout said. "Really good technician. He's a little soft. Not that he won't be a really good player."

Michigan's Lewan (6-6½, 315) is aggressive, sometimes overly so. Alabama's Kouandjio (6-5, 320), a junior, has extremely long arms and is an outstanding pass blocker.

"The Alabama guy still makes raw mistakes," said one scout. "He's got more up side than Matthews. I think he's smart. He just doesn't have much football background."

Ogbuehi (6-5, 300), another junior, might have played better at guard in 2012 before moving to RT. "This is a left tackle in the league," one scout said.

The "Auburn kid" is Greg Robinson (6-5, 315), a redshirt sophomore. After turning in a superb performance against Missouri's Kony Ealy on Dec.7, he might become one of the first offensive linemen to enter the NFL as a redshirt sophomore.

"He's a stud," said one scout. "Left tackle. You're talking about a ton of athleticism, size, strength. He's not getting a lot of attention because people don't realize he's a redshirt. Not quite sure why (Gene) Chizik redshirted him. I think that was a big mistake. He's in the top 10, 15 easy if he comes out."

Iowa junior Brandon Scherff (6-5½, 320) would be another first- or second-round pick if he declares. He'll be a better guard, according to one scout. Junior Antonio Richardson (6-6, 327) of Tennessee isn't consistent but might be a late first-round choice.

Of the guard and center group, one scout said: "I don't think there's any great players inside. It's not like last year."

Senior Zack Martin (6-4, 305) of Notre Dame is solid. "Athletic, strong, understands the game," said one scout.

Mississippi State senior Gabe Jackson (6-3, 340) is a road-grader. "He's not too far off the guards that went first (round) last year," said one scout.

Senior Cyril Richardson (6-4½, 335) played in a two-point stance at Baylor but is athletic enough to adjust. Stanford junior David Yankey (6-5, 314) might not be physical enough. UCLA junior Xavier Su'a-Filo (6-3, 305) played tackle but projects inside.

Probably the top center is Colorado State's Weston Richburg (6-3½, 302). He's a second-round pick.

QUARTERBACKS

With Oregon's Marcus Mariota deciding to return, it looks like a four-way contest to be the first passer taken among senior Derek Carr of Fresno State (6-2½, 215), juniors Teddy Bridgewater (6-3, 205) of Louisville and Blake Bortles (6-3, 230) of Central Florida, and redshirt sophomore Johnny Manziel (5-11, 210) of Texas A&M.

Others in the picture are seniors AJ McCarron (6-3½, 214) of Alabama, Tajh Boyd (6-0½, 225) of Clemson and Zach Mettenberger (6-5, 235) of LSU.

"You've got to pick and choose what flavor you want," one scout said. "Do you want the pocket passer? That's Bortles, McCarron, Mettenberger.

"Or do you want the athlete in Manziel or Bridgewater? There will probably be three in the first. Depends what people think of Johnny Manziel."

Manziel, who beat Alabama in winning the Heisman Trophy in 2012, was compared by one scout to Hall of Fame scrambler Fran Tarkenton. There are character issues, however, that will put off some teams.

"He reminds me a little bit of (Joe) Montana," one scout said. "Fluid, and even though he's off-balance he can get the ball out. He's a smaller guy but he has big hands for a little guy. He's fun to watch."

Bridgewater can throw from the pocket and is an adequate runner. "Not even close to Cam Newton," one scout said. "Skinny son of a buck. He's not as dynamic a runner as everybody thinks."

Carr's brother, David, was the first pick in the 2002 draft.

"Tougher than his brother," said one scout. "Pretty athletic. Great arm talent. Even though he hasn't thrown many interceptions he's a little erratic in his decision-making."

McCarron, said one scout, "has won a bunch of games but doesn't have a great arm." Mettenberger blew out his knee Nov. 29.

RUNNING BACKS

One scout said Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (6-1, 210), a redshirt sophomore, would have been the first back taken before his decision Friday to go back to school.

"Oh, (expletive)," the scout said Saturday after being informed that Gordon was off the board. "He was first-round good. He's like (the Chargers') Ryan Mathews."

Earlier in the week, an NFC scout said he could see Gordon being the first back selected but probably not until the second round. An AFC personnel man called Gordon a second-round pick.

Minus Gordon, it's possible there won't be a first-round running back. There was just one in 1984 and 2011. Green Bay's Eddie Lacy would be the first selected if he had returned for a final season at Alabama, one scout said.

"Going into the year I was worried about the running back group," said one scout. "I still am."

Who will be the first to go?

"Could be a lot of guys," one scout replied. "Could be Carlos Hyde. Could be Ka'Deem Carey. Could be Charles Sims (of West Virginia). Could be Tre Mason. They're all packed together."

Arizona's Carey (5-10, 207) rushed for 1,716 yards (5.3), Auburn's Mason (5-9, 205) rushed for 1,621 (5.7) and Ohio State's Hyde (5-11½, 238) rushed for 1,408 (7.7).

"Hyde's a good player," said one scout. "Just the stuff you hear, you worry about his work ethic."

Carey is an undersized power back with off-field issues as well.

DEFENSIVE LINE

Junior defensive end Jadeveon Clowney (6-5, 274) of South Carolina has been compared to Buffalo's Mario Williams and Chicago's Julius Peppers as a pure talent.

"He's got it all," one scout said. "Now, the question is, what's underneath the hood? That's the $1 million question everybody will look into."

Said another scout: "He doesn't play hard all the time. In college, he'd get three guys on him every play. He's still able to make plays whenever he wants to. He might be the first pick."

The best of the base ends might be Notre Dame junior Stephon Tuitt (6-6, 312). "Probably can play in any scheme," one scout said. "Young kid. Versatile athlete. Just growing into his large frame. He's a first-rounder."

Undersized pass rushers Trent Murphy (6-5, 261) of Stanford, Demarcus Lawrence (6-3, 245) of Boise State, Chris Smith (6-2½, 268) of Arkansas and Trevor Reilly (6-4½, 255) of Utah will start coming into play late in the first round.

"Murphy led the nation in sacks (14)," one scout said. "He played down but he's really an outside backer. Lawrence can rush the passer. Riley is a tweener."

Riley's age (26) will hurt him. Smith had 8½ sacks as an end in a 4-3 defense but might be better served standing up in a 3-4. Ealy (6-5, 275) came on late in the season and appears able to fit either scheme.

Notre Dame junior Louis Nix (6-2, 345), described by one scout as the "prototypical nose tackle," looks like a late first-round pick.

"There's not a lot of big beef," said one scout. "That's why Nix will go high."

Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman (6-5½, 311) will try to dispel impressions that he's inconsistent and an off-field risk at the Senior Bowl.

"He's had a really good year," one scout said. "This kid kind of came out of nowhere. When he wants to crank it up he's hard to block at that level. He's a big man with a lot of ability. He would benefit big-time from going to the Senior Bowl and kicking (expletive) for a week."

Senior Will Sutton (5-11½, 330) of Arizona State put on too much weight this season.

"He's probably a little bit puffy," one scout said. "He's got the natural leverage and pretty good balance and pretty good feet. But you've got to worry about his arm length."

Several players fit the mold of three-technique tackles for 4-3 defenses, including senior Aaron Donald (6-0½, 285) of Pittsburgh, junior Timmy Jernigan (6-2, 298) of Florida State and senior Dominique Easley (6-1½, 285) of Florida.

Easley underwent reconstructive knee surgery Oct. 24. It was his second major knee injury.

Donald led the country in tackles for loss with 26½.

"All Donald does is produce," one scout said. "The old Colts, the old Bucs, they'd like him. But not a lot of people run that anymore. They're going to run right at him when he comes in the game."

LINEBACKERS

Alabama senior middle linebacker C.J. Mosley (6-2½, 232) is the pick of the litter at inside linebacker.

"Probably more (weak side) in the NFL but he could play inside in a 3-4," one scout said. "Extremely smart. Explosive. Fast. An all-intangible type kid. I think coaches are going to fall in love with him.

"But, outside of Mosley, the rest of them (inside) are kind of thumper types."

Junior Denzel Perryman (6-0, 240) of Miami was regarded as a little better athlete and a better player than former "U" middle linebacker Jon Beason, a seven-year NFL starter.

Florida State senior Christian Jones (6-3½, 240) can run. Tennessee junior A.J. Johnson (6-2, 243) is talented and productive but there are questions about his ability to handle an NFL system.

Wisconsin's Chris Borland (5-11½, 246) is regarded as a much better prospect than Michigan State's Max Bullough (6-2½, 245).

"He's the grandson of Hank Bullough," said one scout, referring to the Packers' defensive coordinator from 1988-'91. "Try-hard overachiever. Typical Big Ten guy.

"There will be teams that fall in love with Chris Borland. Everybody will compare him to that (Chris Spielman). Truth be told, he's short still. He may be a dinosaur at the end of the day."

Borland has run 40 yards in 4.85 seconds. Bullough's time was 4.80.

UCLA senior Anthony Barr (6-3, 248) has 10 sacks and 20 tackles for loss. He's a top-10 pick.

"The guy was a running back until two years ago," one scout said. "Really athletic. He's got pass-rush ability. Some of the toughness stuff is still not there but a great kid, great effort."

Next on the list outside is Buffalo senior Khalil Mack (6-2½, 248), a four-year starter.

"He's better than Barr," said one scout. "He does everything there. He can do whatever he wants. Buffalo was the only team that recruited him."

Clemson junior Vic Beasley (6-2, 235) and Brigham Young senior Kyle Van Noy (6-3, 235) are hybrids that could fit either scheme.

"Beasley was on fire with the sacks early and kind of leveled off," one scout said. "He'll have to be an outside backer or maybe a situational pass rusher.

"You don't want to love Van Noy when you watch him. But then you look at the stat line and all he does is have production."

Ohio State junior Ryan Shazier (6-2, 230) is a classic "will" linebacker in a 4-3.

"I don't think he's as tough as Lavonte David but he's going to be faster," said one scout. "He runs like a deer. You'd have to think about him over Mosley. Mosley's a better player (now) but Shazier could be rare."

DEFENSIVE BACKS

At least one cornerback has been selected among the top 20 picks in every draft since 2001.

"Is there a great corner this year?" one scout said. "The guy from Michigan State and the guy from Oklahoma State and the guy from Ohio State are pretty good. But they're 20 to 50."

The Spartans' Darqueze Dennard (5-11, 197), a senior, and the Cowboys' Justin Gilbert (5-11½, 200), another senior, both play mostly press coverage.

"Dennard's game really improved as the season's gone along," one scout said. "Got some size. Gilbert has some size, ball skills. He's just a solid player."

The Buckeyes' Bradley Roby (5-11, 192) a junior, should work out well at the combine, where his character issues also will be scrutinized.

"You've got to do your homework on him," said one scout. "But he's an explosive, fast player. Can play man or zone."

Oregon junior Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (5-10, 185), Virginia Tech senior Kyle Fuller (5-11½, 194) and Florida junior Loucheiz Purifoy (6-0, 190) are next in line.

"This is not going to be a great corner group," one scout said. "It really isn't. There's really no dynamic corner this year."

After teams relished picking from a top-notch safety group in April, this class is inferior.

The best bet to make the first round as a safety is Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (6-1, 208), a junior from Alabama.

"He's OK," one scout said. "Tough guy. Pretty instinctive. Just kind of stiff. I'm not sure he's going to run real well."

Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 190), a senior from Florida State, played safety as a junior and cornerback as a senior.

"Flies around a little like Bob Sanders and blows people up," said one scout. "Little stiff for corner but there's (teams) where they can get away with it. He might be the first safety to go."

Florida State senior Terrence Brooks (5-10½, 200) could be off the board next, but several scouts projected him to the third round.

 
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i haven't vetted the information, but read an observation that STL OL coach paul boudreau may have a certain profile for his OTs... LT long and RT barksdale have long arms/reaches (all OTs do to an extent, so i took that to mean, even for OTs) and based on that, jake matthews might not fit that profile. i realize some, like andy, were already skeptical about a first round OL based on fisher's track record (though reportedly they were set to take warford at 1.30 if ogletree was gone?). maybe they don't take an OT in the first round (they could use an interior OL like baylor guard cyril richardson), but if they do, it could be more likely to be someone like lewan, with the second, mid-first round pick. though if they do take watkins early and want to balance offense/defense in the first, as in 2013, that could be a sweet spot (currently right in front of DAL) to get FS clinton-dix, if not a CB or DT?

what it could also mean, is increase the chance that watkins would be their target in a trade down if they don't take clowney.

 
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how does ryan look with injuries this year (picture if he had to deal with that in his first three years.
Like a guy playing 16 games.
to an awesome 4-10 record.

isn't bradford crucified for going 3-4 this year?

for going 7-8-1 in 2010 as a rookie (after a 1 win season, and after a five year stretch in which the team was 15-65, one of the worst stretches in league history)? for going 7-9 in 2013 (coming off a 2 win season in 2011, one for which posters have said he "sucked", though football outsiders said - "in 2011, the Rams lost 10 CBs, started gimpy D-linemen in Hall and Robbins, had to replace and/or reshuffle the entire starting OL, lost 3 different qbs to injuries, and according to Football Outsiders had the single most injured offense of the entire decade back to 2002."... must be a lame excuse, huh, most injured offense in a decade, which is what, a 1/320 chance, and i guess from the fact that all three QBs were injured behind a decimated OL reflects poorly oin bradford?)...

and ryan was 4-10 with jones 5 games, white 11 games and gonzalez 14 games.
The ATL coaching staff neutralizes all that plus their OL stinks. Lets see what happens if Mr Home Depot is as good at running the Falcons. If he is he would fire the underachieving coaching staff.
Right, and spagnuolo was such a good HC that he got fired, than got fired again from a DC or coaching position. The STL OL wasn't bad in Bradford's first three years? only he didn't have julio jones, roddy white and tony gonzalez to throw to. not getting your point? how come when these come up with bradford, they are called excuse?
I'm unimpressed with Bradford. He's just a guy. If he's the QB, that team is not going far.
that is OK, i'm not impressed with your critique.

he was #11 in QBR this year, better than just a guy.

and he didn't have julio jones, roddy white or tony gonzalez.

feel free to put up a set of numbers that are falsifiable and disprovable (TD/INT ratio, completion percentage, Y/A and QBR) that you could admit in 2014 was evidence of being better tha just a guy. i realize it is hard, slogging work much more tedious than vague dismissals, and would take a few seconds.
That's just a guy. Low end of every dynasty league. Prepare to finish near the low end of any league you are in with Bradford.

Reading thru your posts, I just realized you are a homer. Nothing can help you until they actually give up on Bradford. Then of course for a while it will be, 'they gave up on him too fast' They suck at coaching', etc.

 
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Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.
Assuming Bridgewater goes to Houston, he's going to luck out in going to a much better team than normally drafts first.
Agreed.. WR's .. Check.. RB's. Check.. Add in more around Watts and that Defense will be :eek:

Perfect team for a rookie to come into as it won't all be on his shoulders. :thumbup:

 
I really could see 3 WRs going in the top 10. They are sexy picks and It is a pretty big need for several of the teams expected to be drafting near the top. Most people think the top 3 guys would have all been the best WR in 2013.⁴

 
Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.
Assuming Bridgewater goes to Houston, he's going to luck out in going to a much better team than normally drafts first.
Agreed.. WR's .. Check.. RB's. Check.. Add in more around Watts and that Defense will be :eek: Perfect team for a rookie to come into as it won't all be on his shoulders. :thumbup:
rbs? Tate is an ufa and foster is a mess health wise. Not sure when Andre hits the wall, but when he does all he will have outsid is Nuk.There is a cupboard to work with, but Houston had the window open the last couple of years, just didn't have the coach and qb to get it done. It's going to be a couple few years and good drafts before they are in the championship window again. Just need to get there before watt begins to fade and keep Cushing on the field the whole year.

 
I really could see 3 WRs going in the top 10. They are sexy picks and It is a pretty big need for several of the teams expected to be drafting near the top. Most people think the top 3 guys would have all been the best WR in 2013.⁴
more like top five, this wr class is both top heavy and deep. Last year was just deep.
 
I really could see 3 WRs going in the top 10. They are sexy picks and It is a pretty big need for several of the teams expected to be drafting near the top. Most people think the top 3 guys would have all been the best WR in 2013.⁴
lee had a great game against fresno st. probably the rest did him some good, he looked as healthy as he has been all year. this has been an injury-marred year, but he looked like the best WR in college earlier in his career when healthy. he just lacks elite size (so does watkins). like justin hunter, he is an elite jumper and track athlete, and should test very well. evans has elite size, but may run in the 4.55 range (long strider with build up speed?). if he surprises and runs a sub-4.5, it would be huge. at 6'5" 230 lbs., vincent jackson runs a legit sub-4.5. this will be one of the more interesting position groups tested at the combine.

 
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Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.
Assuming Bridgewater goes to Houston, he's going to luck out in going to a much better team than normally drafts first.
Agreed.. WR's .. Check.. RB's. Check.. Add in more around Watts and that Defense will be :eek: Perfect team for a rookie to come into as it won't all be on his shoulders. :thumbup:
rbs? Tate is an ufa and foster is a mess health wise. Not sure when Andre hits the wall, but when he does all he will have outsid is Nuk.There is a cupboard to work with, but Houston had the window open the last couple of years, just didn't have the coach and qb to get it done. It's going to be a couple few years and good drafts before they are in the championship window again. Just need to get there before watt begins to fade and keep Cushing on the field the whole year.
Foster is still a very good RB.. WHEN he is healthy.. Can't predict what next season will bring but he is only 27 years old.. No way you give up on him. I don't think Tate will get as big of offers out there as many think so I think Houston resigns him.

DeAndre was I believe considered "raw" talent coming into his first season. Considering the mess at QB, having almost 800 yards with 2 games to go is pretty good and should only get better.

IMO, the drop in the defense, and the team overall, was more due to coaching and the injury to Cushing was a knockout punch to the defense... They easily, with the right coaching, and one or two ufa/rookies could be back to being a top 8 defense.

Just think going to Houston has a bigger upside then say Jacksonville. :shrug:

 
With word coming that Bill O'Brien has gotten his NFL buyout significantly reduced, and is still trying to drop it more, seems like a good chance he could be eyeing that Houston job and the chance to start out with Teddy.

 
There is a cupboard to work with, but Houston had the window open the last couple of years, just didn't have the coach and qb to get it done. It's going to be a couple few years and good drafts before they are in the championship window again. Just need to get there before watt begins to fade and keep Cushing on the field the whole year.
rbs? Tate is an ufa and foster is a mess health wise. Not sure when Andre hits the wall, but when he does all he will have outsid is Nuk.
Foster is still a very good RB.. WHEN he is healthy.. Can't predict what next season will bring but he is only 27 years old.. No way you give up on him. I don't think Tate will get as big of offers out there as many think so I think Houston resigns him.

DeAndre was I believe considered "raw" talent coming into his first season. Considering the mess at QB, having almost 800 yards with 2 games to go is pretty good and should only get better.

IMO, the drop in the defense, and the team overall, was more due to coaching and the injury to Cushing was a knockout punch to the defense... They easily, with the right coaching, and one or two ufa/rookies could be back to being a top 8 defense.

Just think going to Houston has a bigger upside then say Jacksonville. :shrug:
The Texans demise has been greatly exaggerated. Everything fell apart for them this year and instead of picking late in the draft as expected they are going to acquire a lot of talent in the draft.

As far as the RB's go, I think with their system it doesn't really matter if Foster is the same guy he was or they lose Tate. I've seen Tre Mason mocked to the Texans in the 4th and even if they don't draft a RB they proven they can find UDFAs who can do the job.

 
We have a local radio guy (John Harris1560AM) that played in college with O'Brien and doesn't think we are going to be able to land him. Says he is friends with him still and actually trying to convince him to come down here but doesn't think it will happen. Feels like the buyout, unfinished business at Penn State, and a good job off the beaten path will keep him from moving.

I know it sounds like a Ferris Bueller 31 flavors kind of thing so take it FWIW. Harris is actually pretty well respected for his football knowledge and is best friends with Lance Zierlien (another good local source). They work together on a site called thesidelineview I believe. Lance has even had Sigmund Bloom on the radio a few times down here.

Again take it for FWIW but I thought I'd at least share....

 
Of course we don't know what offensive system the new coach is going to use. But in general I would be against the Texans taking a RB with anything earlier than a 5th or 6th round pick. Even if they go away from a scheme that uses Foster's talents fully, there are other positions where I'd rather have a 4th rounder plus a UDFA RB than a 4th round RB and a UDFA at the other positions.

 
We have a local radio guy (John Harris1560AM) that played in college with O'Brien and doesn't think we are going to be able to land him. Says he is friends with him still and actually trying to convince him to come down here but doesn't think it will happen. Feels like the buyout, unfinished business at Penn State, and a good job off the beaten path will keep him from moving.

I know it sounds like a Ferris Bueller 31 flavors kind of thing so take it FWIW. Harris is actually pretty well respected for his football knowledge and is best friends with Lance Zierlien (another good local source). They work together on a site called thesidelineview I believe. Lance has even had Sigmund Bloom on the radio a few times down here.

Again take it for FWIW but I thought I'd at least share....
This could shape up to be what worried me the most about firing Kubiak. Whether they would be able to get someone better, or just someone different. I have a hard time coming up with names I think will be outright better. If Lovie Smith is an upgrade I think he's a small one at best probably.

Was starting to hope a bit for David Shaw but sounds like he's staying. I do tend to think that whoever comes in as coach, the Texans will probably take Bridgewater. While I think McNair isn't too hands on of an owner (cue comments about him giving Kubiak and Marciano way too long), I do think the organization feels a need for QB that is going to have a new coach buying in unless he really goes to bat for someone else.

 
if ATL loses tomorrow night, the top eight teams all will have lost (JAX leapfrogged OAK due to SOS)... slot nine and ten teams BUF and TEN won, as did fellow six win team NYG (which jumps over BUF due to SOS). since NYJ, PIT and STL all won and move to seven wins (with losing teams DET and GB, at 7-8 and 7-7-1, respectively), NYG are the only new appearance in the top 10 in week 16. ATL could move down two spots and TB and MIN up one spot each if the falcons win the last MNF game of the season. The OP has been updated (will plug in SOS numbers when they become available).

1 - HOU (2-13) lost
2 - STL via WAS (3-12) lost
3 - JAX (4-11) lost
4 - OAK (4-11) lost
5 - CLE (4-11) lost
6 - ATL (4-11) if they lose to SF
7 - TB (4-11) lost
8 - MIN (4-10-1) lost
9 - TEN (6-9) won
10 - NYG (6-9) won

 
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Donnybrook said:
Jake Long down. Jake Mathews rising?

Why is there no St. Louis game thread?
could be a torn ACL, so that could alter their draft plans (unless they were already leaning towards that position). maybe they could still get watkins and use the second (mid-first) pick on a LT (whereas ideally they might have preferred to go offense/defense, like they did this year with austin and ogletree). we will have a better sense of that as we get closer to the draft, and see how the LTs look like they will grade out relative to other positions, and who declares (particularly auburn LT greg robinson?).

http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/22/jake-long-injury-st-louis-rams/

 
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snogger said:
MAC_32 said:
snogger said:
Can Bridgewater be a quick study with the team that drafts him? If say Houston drafts him, how long will it take for him to develop? Ive read about those that dont like his build, and that his throw comes out a bit low, but everything else is excellent from him. etc. It seems that Houston needs a QB now. Taking Bridgewater might hurt if hes not ready now, or does he trump the learning curve? If so, hes huge and might be better off than Luck from the start.

Im geeked up for this draft.
Assuming Bridgewater goes to Houston, he's going to luck out in going to a much better team than normally drafts first.
Agreed.. WR's .. Check.. RB's. Check.. Add in more around Watts and that Defense will be :eek: Perfect team for a rookie to come into as it won't all be on his shoulders. :thumbup:
rbs? Tate is an ufa and foster is a mess health wise. Not sure when Andre hits the wall, but when he does all he will have outsid is Nuk.There is a cupboard to work with, but Houston had the window open the last couple of years, just didn't have the coach and qb to get it done. It's going to be a couple few years and good drafts before they are in the championship window again. Just need to get there before watt begins to fade and keep Cushing on the field the whole year.
Foster is still a very good RB.. WHEN he is healthy.. Can't predict what next season will bring but he is only 27 years old.. No way you give up on him. I don't think Tate will get as big of offers out there as many think so I think Houston resigns him.

DeAndre was I believe considered "raw" talent coming into his first season. Considering the mess at QB, having almost 800 yards with 2 games to go is pretty good and should only get better.

IMO, the drop in the defense, and the team overall, was more due to coaching and the injury to Cushing was a knockout punch to the defense... They easily, with the right coaching, and one or two ufa/rookies could be back to being a top 8 defense.

Just think going to Houston has a bigger upside then say Jacksonville. :shrug:
I'd be shocked if Tate is back with Houston. Teams may not break the bank but he's surely worth more to other teams than he is to Houston.

 
Texans have cap issues. They can't afford to pay two backs. Tate is gone. Given the injuries to Foster he is far from a sure thing next year,

 
The texans are about 10 million under the projected cap for 2014. They are not in cap hell, but spending significamt money on another rb would non smart.

 
if ATL loses tomorrow night, the top eight teams all will have lost. not sure if any micro-adjustments due to SOS altering the landscape in the last few weeks are possible, but i think the top eight remain the same. teams nine and ten won (BUF and TEN), not sure who will slot into their place?

1 - HOU (2-13) lost

2 - STL via WAS (3-12) lost

3 - OAK (4-11) lost

4 - JAX (4-11) lost

5 - CLE (4-11) lost

6 - ATL (4-11) if they lose to SF

7 - TB (4-11) lost

8 - MIN (4-10-1) lost

9 - ? (BUF won)

10 - ? (TEN won)
I think the Jags (who played TEN) could jump OAK (who played SD).

The full-season SOS (which makes a heckuva lot more sense) had Jags SOS as easier coming into this week.

Saw a tweet that said that Jags could draft anywhere from 2nd to 8th depending on next week.

 
Cleveland has been doing a great job of losing lately, and play at Pittsburgh next week.

they could still move up a spot or two.

with the picks they own, they could be within striking distance of the no.1 pick, if that's their goal.

 
BUF, TEN and NYG all won, leaving them as the only six win teams (no five win teams).

NYJ, PIT and STL also won, elevating them to seven wins (DET lost and remains at seven wins, GB also lost and is 7-7-1).

so i think BUF and TEN retain the nine and ten slots.

i'll tentatively plug that in and update the OP (subject to change if ATL beats SF in the last MNF game of the season).

 
how many new HCs will their be in the current top 10?

by my reckoning, COULD be as many as six, counting the 1.2 as STL and not WAS (HOU, OAK, TB, MIN, TEN and DAL)?

not expecting a change in STL, JAX, CLE, ATL and BUF?

looking outside the top 10, HCs for WAS, NYJ and DET could be vulnerable? not as sure about MIA, PIT and NYG?

 
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Texans beat the Titans

Giants beat the Skins

Rams will have #1 pick

Rams trade #1 pick for another heist
that wasn't how it played this week (bottom eight teams all losing).

no need to be greedy. even as high as the 1.2 seemed impossible this time last year, as well as RGIII was playing before the knee injury.

even if they did get the #1 (i'm not feeling it), bridgewater isn't luck, so imo it would be best to temper expectations, there won't be a heist. i'd be very happy to get something like an extra second and third to drop from the 1.2 to about the 1.4-1.5, and still land matthews or watkins? not sure if CLE even wants to move up, but if STL does improbably end up at the #1 overall pick, maybe something like their two firsts would be quite an accomplishment if they could pull that off (not sure how that would line up value-wise by "the chart")?

 
if ATL loses tomorrow night, the top eight teams all will have lost. not sure if any micro-adjustments due to SOS altering the landscape in the last few weeks are possible, but i think the top eight remain the same. teams nine and ten won (BUF and TEN), not sure who will slot into their place?

1 - HOU (2-13) lost

2 - STL via WAS (3-12) lost

3 - OAK (4-11) lost

4 - JAX (4-11) lost

5 - CLE (4-11) lost

6 - ATL (4-11) if they lose to SF

7 - TB (4-11) lost

8 - MIN (4-10-1) lost

9 - ? (BUF won)

10 - ? (TEN won)
I think the Jags (who played TEN) could jump OAK (who played SD).

The full-season SOS (which makes a heckuva lot more sense) had Jags SOS as easier coming into this week.

Saw a tweet that said that Jags could draft anywhere from 2nd to 8th depending on next week.
you are correct, sir.

JAX jumped OAK based on SOS). i'll plug in the change and reupdate the OP.

supposedly, STL can do no worse than #3, even if WAS beats NYG next sunday. OAK plays DEN week 17, which is going to hurt (they had DEN and KC on the schedule twice each). if STL and JAX were to tie on SOS, i think a coin flip is the tie breaker (it has happened before). supposedly somebody ran a lot of permutations (i didn't vet it), and including a WAS win, five things would need to happen to lose out to JAX for the #2 pick (see below). that said, leaving WAS aside, NE, PIT, SF and IND should all be favored, so that scenario could be exactly what happens?

WAS over NYG

NE over BUF

PIT over CLE

SF over ARI

IND over JAX

* new order with up to date SOS numbers...

http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/12/22/5236342/nfl-draft-order-2014-texans-keep-top-pick-as-top-of-draft-is-unchanged

 
I'm not sure why StL's situation fascinates me so much this year, but they're the team I always find myself thinking about draft possibilities for. Unless they can get a bounty for the 1.2 pick, I'm thinking Andy might be correct in mocking Watkins to them with their first pick. If they could get Watkins and, say, Lewan with their two first rounders, that'd be an instant upgrade at both positions.

 
I'm not sure why StL's situation fascinates me so much this year, but they're the team I always find myself thinking about draft possibilities for. Unless they can get a bounty for the 1.2 pick, I'm thinking Andy might be correct in mocking Watkins to them with their first pick. If they could get Watkins and, say, Lewan with their two first rounders, that'd be an instant upgrade at both positions.
wouldnt they try and trade back if that was there plan. I am sure there will be a few teams coveting Clowney or maybe one of the top QB's.

 
I'm not sure why StL's situation fascinates me so much this year, but they're the team I always find myself thinking about draft possibilities for. Unless they can get a bounty for the 1.2 pick, I'm thinking Andy might be correct in mocking Watkins to them with their first pick. If they could get Watkins and, say, Lewan with their two first rounders, that'd be an instant upgrade at both positions.
wouldnt they try and trade back if that was there plan. I am sure there will be a few teams coveting Clowney or maybe one of the top QB's.
I agree. Taking Watkins at 1.2 is a reach. They should be able to easily trade that pick to a team drooling over Clowney, Barr or a QB.
 
updated draft order for the first round.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1898770-nfl-draft-order-2014-updated-selection-list-after-week-16

NFL Draft Order 2014: Updated Selection List After Week 16
By Chris Roling
(Featured Columnist) on December 23, 2013

the full 2014 draft order sorted by strength of schedule tiebreakers.

No. Official Order After Week 16

1 Houston Texans

2 St. Louis Rams (from Washington)

3 Jacksonville Jaguars

4 Oakland Raiders

5 Cleveland Browns

6 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

7 Atlanta Falcons

8 Minnesota Vikings

9 Tennessee Titans

10 New York Giants

11 Buffalo Bills

12 Detroit Lions

13 Pittsburgh Steelers

14 New York Jets

15 St. Louis Rams

16 Green Bay Packers

17 Dallas Cowboys

18 Baltimore Ravens

19 San Diego Chargers

20 Miami Dolphins

21 Chicago Bears

22 Philadelphia Eagles

23 Cincinnati Bengals

24 Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis)

25 Arizona Cardinals

26 New Orleans Saints

27 San Francisco 49ers

28 Kansas City Chiefs

29 New England Patriots

30 Carolina Panthers

31 Denver Broncos

32 Seattle Seahawks

 
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