Cowboys could be readying a trade of Marion Barber (1 Viewer)

[Black]

Saw on Fanball news source, no link yet, going to flip on NFLN and see if there's anything there?

October 19, 2010

The Cowboys could be readying a trade of running back Marion Barber, according to NFL.com's Jason La Canfora.

Our View:

He's no longer the number one man in Dallas, but is a nice luxury for the struggling Cowboys. Someone will likely have to overpay to get him.

http://ownersedge.fanball.com/nfl/player/5758/notes#81384

 

[zamboni]

I don't see it happening - unless a team really wants him (unlikely) his contract is too big to take on.

More likely he gets cut in the offseason.

 

[Black]

What teams would take him?

Is he still a potential workhorse RB? He doesn't look that great to me, even though seems effective at short yardage.

Plus, who wants to shoulder that huge contract?

 

[thatguythere]

Other than the Packers who would really need him? I don't see the Packers shelling out for Barber if they didn't want pony up for Lynch.

Maybe he agrees to restructure to have a chance to play more...? Is that possible?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I know Thompson won't give up the draft spot/spots for him but his attitude and the way he plays the game could be good for the Packers. Could provide a real boost for that offense.

 

[vandyt]

Packers have bigger problems than needing a slightly faster version of John Kuhn.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Packers have bigger problems than needing a slightly faster version of John Kuhn.

So what? I wouldn't compare Kuhn to Barber personally. I'm not saying it would be a season changer but he could add some life to that offense.

 

[steelwind]

Barber is an interesting player...by name. But he is much slower and has little burst left. Plus he has a huge contract. If a team were to take him it would be for a RBBC or backup/short yardage role. And no team would over pay for that.

I can see him replacing Kunh in Greenbay as he is a much better short yardage power back. But it's highly doubtful that GM Thompson would pay that much or give up any draft picks for that.

 

[Road Dogg]

I like Barber but I hope the cowboys trade him

 

[sho nuff]

Packers have bigger problems than needing a slightly faster version of John Kuhn.

So what? I wouldn't compare Kuhn to Barber personally. I'm not saying it would be a season changer but he could add some life to that offense.

But whats the cost. 3rd? (or likely Dallas wants more) I would have rather given a 3rd for Lynch.

 

[Sweet Love]

I just wonder whether there is a point where Jones knows they are not going to keep him and just trades him at a lower pick than typical, just to shed salary for the remainder of the year.

Also, since this is an uncapped year, would Dallas be able to trade Barber for say a 3rd round pick (just an example) AND take on some of the remaining salary (ala baseball)? I don't see why not...

 

[sho nuff]

Was it Mort who reported that the Packers and Cowboys had talked about it?

Probably went something like this...

TT: Just wanted to gauge your interest in trading Barber to us.

JJ: Sure, it will just take your 3rd rou......

TT: :click:

JJ: Ted? Are you there Ted? Ted???? Hello?????

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Was it Mort who reported that the Packers and Cowboys had talked about it?Probably went something like this...TT: Just wanted to gauge your interest in trading Barber to us.JJ: Sure, it will just take your 3rd rou......TT: :click:JJ: Ted? Are you there Ted? Ted???? Hello?????

and

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Packers have bigger problems than needing a slightly faster version of John Kuhn.

So what? I wouldn't compare Kuhn to Barber personally. I'm not saying it would be a season changer but he could add some life to that offense.

:whisperinginear: James Starks.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

How is he in pass protection? I know a team that could use his services if he's good.

 

[Concept Coop]

How is he in pass protection? I know a team that could use his services if he's good.

One of the best in the NFL.And there is no way the Cowboys are looking for a 3rd round pick. The best they could do is a 6th or so, if we are going to use history as an indicator.

 

[shader]

How is he in pass protection? I know a team that could use his services if he's good.

One of the best in the NFL.And there is no way the Cowboys are looking for a 3rd round pick. The best they could do is a 6th or so, if we are going to use history as an indicator.

Why on earth would the Cowboys trade Marion Barber for a 6th round pick? That makes zero sense. If they let him walk, they'll get a higher pick than that.I realize the season is falling apart, but a 6th rounder? I'd be shocked.

 

[jeter23]

Another beat writer/insider had a quote this weekend after being asked if Dallas is shopping MB3 and said they could not get a bag of footballs for him. I think any deal is very unlikely unless they are just dumping him for a 7th rounder.

 

[Black]

I am seeing nothing on NFLN now, but apparently La Canfora made the quote last night.

Seems very unlikely to me.

 

[Phurfur]

Doesn't he have a huge contract? He;s not going anywhere.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

How is he in pass protection? I know a team that could use his services if he's good.

One of the best in the NFL.And there is no way the Cowboys are looking for a 3rd round pick. The best they could do is a 6th or so, if we are going to use history as an indicator.

Why on earth would the Cowboys trade Marion Barber for a 6th round pick? That makes zero sense. If they let him walk, they'll get a higher pick than that.I realize the season is falling apart, but a 6th rounder? I'd be shocked.

part of the reason for the 6th is the big contract. unless Barber agrees to restructure, that's probably the best the Cowboys can do.

 

[benm3218]

But, why would they take a 6th when if they wait for him to walk in free agency the compensatory pick is bigger?

 

[Bankerguy]

I doubt the Cowboys would get much for him.....prohibitive contract and health issues. I would be happy with a3rd or 4th....whic is not likely. Makes NO sense to get rid of him for a 6th-7th round pick.

 

[coolnerd]

But, why would they take a 6th when if they wait for him to walk in free agency the compensatory pick is bigger?

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/proje...-nfl-draft.htmlExplanation of compensatory picks and until there is a new CBA, impossible to know what systems will be in place.

 

[CaptainHook]

How is he in pass protection? I know a team that could use his services if he's good.

One of the best in the NFL.And there is no way the Cowboys are looking for a 3rd round pick. The best they could do is a 6th or so, if we are going to use history as an indicator.

Why on earth would the Cowboys trade Marion Barber for a 6th round pick? That makes zero sense. If they let him walk, they'll get a higher pick than that.I realize the season is falling apart, but a 6th rounder? I'd be shocked.

1. they wont get a higher pick for letting him walk.2. they make $$$

 

[Holy Schneikes]

But, why would they take a 6th when if they wait for him to walk in free agency the compensatory pick is bigger?

I believe he's under contract for several more years. You don't get comp picks for guys you release, just guys you lost to free agency (which is a fair way down the road for Barber).Also, for the guys (rightfully) concerned about his contract, keep in mind that a nice percentage of his guaranteed money has already been paid. So for a team potentially getting Barber (who is still effective IMO), they'd be paying roughly $6M/year going forward (if my math is right, which it may not be).Anyway, I'm not saying a trade is going to happen, just that the contract might not be THAT big a hurdle considering there would be no signing bonus or other guarantees required by the new team.I don't own Barber in any league for the record.

 

[CaptainHook]

supposedly hes making 12mil a year this year. they always weight the salary to be way larger in the later years so the players get the ego boost of a large number even though both parties know theres no way the player isnt cut or restructured by then

 

[scrumptrulescent]

This is his contract per Rotoworld....

5/20/2008: Signed a seven-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2010: $3.86 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due in March), 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

 

[menobrown]

This is his contract per Rotoworld....

5/20/2008: Signed a seven-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2010: $3.86 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due in March), 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

Good of you to post this. His contract is not some huge load to take on like everyone thinks. At least not for this season. No matter which team MB plays for next season I'll be shocked if he's playing under this contract. So any team picking him up is doing it basically for this season and they would have to pay a prorated portion of the $3.86 million. After that they can cut him and owe him nothing. Problem is that makes his trade value even lower since he is basically a rent a player for the year. I've often heard he's a team leader and he's playing the short yardage/passing down role pretty well this season so unless MBIII is causing a locker room stink over getting less PT I can't see Dallas just giving him away and I can't see a team stepping up with anything like a 4th rounder either.

 

[Phurfur]

supposedly hes making 12mil a year this year. they always weight the salary to be way larger in the later years so the players get the ego boost of a large number even though both parties know theres no way the player isnt cut or restructured by then

Barbers contract was front loadedThis article is from May 2008

The highlight of his deal, though, was his payout over the first three years. Barber will receive $21 million over the next three seasons.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3405348

 

[switz]

This is his contract per Rotoworld....

5/20/2008: Signed a seven-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2010: $3.86 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due in March), 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

So the team that gets him is responsible for part of his salary this year, plus part of 12 million this year, as signing bonuses get spread over the length of the contract for salary cap purposes. So he'll cost a team around 4 million this year. That's if I understand the way salaries work in trades.

 

[Birdie048]

While some of the comments above indicate the limited probability of MBIII being traded, I believe that if any Dallas RB is going to be traded, it is T Choice who will be on a new team in the next 24 hrs.

I don't know his contract situation, but for a young RB with limited wear & tear, he is who should be targeted. Last week, NFLN was showing him on the sidelines and wanting to go in & be more involved. They clearly heard rumors of his unhappy comments about playing time.

in 2008 - 92 carries for 474 yards (5.13 ypc) 2 TD's plus 21 rec on 30 targets for 185 yards (8.8 ypr)

in 2009 - 64 carries for 349 yards (5.45 ypc) 3 TD's plus 15 rec on 21 targets for 132 yards (8.8 ypr)

Limited opportunities for sure.... but are you looking for him to be a workhorse or a Ryan Grant type RB?

 

[Rockchild]

This is his contract per Rotoworld....

5/20/2008: Signed a seven-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2010: $3.86 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due in March), 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

So the team that gets him is responsible for part of his salary this year, plus part of 12 million this year, as signing bonuses get spread over the length of the contract for salary cap purposes. So he'll cost a team around 4 million this year. That's if I understand the way salaries work in trades.

I think that the team that trades for him is only responsible for his actaul salary this year and any future bonuses that are already in his contract but the team trading him would have whatever is left of the signing bonus(which had been spread out over the whole contract) accelerated into their cap number at the time of the trade.

 

[Pittsburgh P]

This is his contract per Rotoworld....

5/20/2008: Signed a seven-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2010: $3.86 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due in March), 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

So the team that gets him is responsible for part of his salary this year, plus part of 12 million this year, as signing bonuses get spread over the length of the contract for salary cap purposes. So he'll cost a team around 4 million this year. That's if I understand the way salaries work in trades.

The 12 million signing bonus is only spread out over the length of the contract for salary cap calculation purposes; the actual signing bonus money is paid out at signing (hence the name). So with no current salary cap, there is no transfer of responsibility for that money if he is traded. A team trading for MB3 would only be responsible for paying him his pro-rated portion of his 2010 salary (3.86 mill).

 

[humpback]

The 12 million signing bonus is only spread out over the length of the contract for salary cap calculation purposes; the actual signing bonus money is paid out at signing (hence the name). So with no current salary cap, there is no transfer of responsibility for that money if he is traded. A team trading for MB3 would only be responsible for paying him his pro-rated portion of his 2010 salary (3.86 mill).

This is my understanding as well, which makes it more likely that teams will at least inquire about trading for him. I disagree that he's a rent-a-player- his contract is only $4.25MM for next year, none of it guaranteed, which is a nice option to have for the aquiring team.

 

[Black]

The Cowboys are still planning to hold onto running back Marion Barber at Tuesday afternoon's trade deadline, according to NFL.com's Josh Ellis.

 

[bshell27]

looks like I am stuck doing this for the rest of the season ---->

 

[mattyjets]

He's been worthless all season and I've been told here to outright release him in dynasty leagues. I think the time to sell on Barber was when some positive reports came out on Barber before the season.