Creation vs. Evolution (1 Viewer)

[Homer J Simpson]

From Larry's ark link#8 Dr. Bill Shea found an ancient pottery sherd within a few yards of the ark which has a carving on it that depicts a bird, a fish, and a man with a hammer wearing a headdress that has the name "Noah" on it. In ancient times these items were created by the locals in the village to sell to visitors of the ark. The ark was a tourist attraction in ancient times and today. :rotflmao:

 

[Mark Speener]

What's the latin phrase for "argument from ignorance"?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry:  You've already done the ark debate on here before, using the very same arguments.  Are you hoping to do better this time?

ok, so, how is what I just said there not plausible? What is not possible about the facts I stated?How many species of animals are there on earth?And yes, all dogs are one species, wolves, collies, chihuahua, pitbulls, etc. all one species...same with house cats...we could even seperate wild big cats seperately...how many different species are there?don't dismiss stuff offhand, open your mind, actually engage stuff...

Larry: I already went round and round with you on this topic a year or so ago. I'm not inclined to do it again. By the way, why do you consider all dogs and wolves to be a single species such that Noah only had to bring two "dogs" on board?Also, as far as how many species there are on Earth, I've seen it estimated at around 6 million. Of course, you can carve out a chunk of that to exclude aquatic animals, but your still in the several million range.Edit: Dammit! I'm getting pulled in again!

really?because according to modern biologists, they can't even decide on what exactly a species is:"taxonomic group whose members can interbreed " is the typical definition...but, "can interbreed" is quite different from "will interbreed", aren't they?I mean, wolves can breed with dogs, but will they?of "The lowest principal unit of biological classification formally recognized as a group of organisms distinct from other groups. In sexually producing organisms, "species" is more narrowly characterized as a group of organisms that in natural conditions freely interbreed with members of the same group but not with members of other groups. "none of these would say that we have tons of animals, think of it this way, again:bears: panda, polar, brown, black, etc... all one speciesdogs: wolves, chihuahua, collies, labs, etc.... all one speciescats: 2 species (one for small house cats, one for big predator cats)horses: zebra, horses, etc... one speciesdeer: Deer, moose, caribou, etc... all one speciesthere are not 6 million species of animals using that...

Well, reference to species is beside the point anyway, as most interpretations of the Bible refer to every "kind" of animal. If there was only a need for two bears on the ark, however, how do you explain the existence of polar bears, brown bears, koala bears, etc. if not through evolution?And just so everyone knows, Larry Boy has his little pamphlet of talking points on the issue, so he'll have an answer to pretty much any question you throw at him. The answers will often be ridiculous, but they'll be answers.

dude, animals change...if they live in a cold climate, they will get thicker fur, and thier fur will change color...we've seen it happen already...animals change, no one has EVER said they don't...

 

[FatMax]

And just so everyone knows, Larry Boy has his little pamphlet of talking points on the issue, so he'll have an answer to pretty much any question you throw at him. The answers will often be ridiculous, but they'll be answers.

I have a question for Larry. Why does my cat lick his ### before cleaning the rest of himself? It seems that he would try to avoid spreading the remnants of cat #### all over himself by licking his ### last?Someone has got to have an answer for this one. I'm puzzled.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

Larry:  You've already done the ark debate on here before, using the very same arguments.  Are you hoping to do better this time?

ok, so, how is what I just said there not plausible? What is not possible about the facts I stated?How many species of animals are there on earth?And yes, all dogs are one species, wolves, collies, chihuahua, pitbulls, etc. all one species...same with house cats...we could even seperate wild big cats seperately...how many different species are there?don't dismiss stuff offhand, open your mind, actually engage stuff...

Larry: I already went round and round with you on this topic a year or so ago. I'm not inclined to do it again. By the way, why do you consider all dogs and wolves to be a single species such that Noah only had to bring two "dogs" on board?Also, as far as how many species there are on Earth, I've seen it estimated at around 6 million. Of course, you can carve out a chunk of that to exclude aquatic animals, but your still in the several million range.Edit: Dammit! I'm getting pulled in again!

really?because according to modern biologists, they can't even decide on what exactly a species is:"taxonomic group whose members can interbreed " is the typical definition...but, "can interbreed" is quite different from "will interbreed", aren't they?I mean, wolves can breed with dogs, but will they?of "The lowest principal unit of biological classification formally recognized as a group of organisms distinct from other groups. In sexually producing organisms, "species" is more narrowly characterized as a group of organisms that in natural conditions freely interbreed with members of the same group but not with members of other groups. "none of these would say that we have tons of animals, think of it this way, again:bears: panda, polar, brown, black, etc... all one speciesdogs: wolves, chihuahua, collies, labs, etc.... all one speciescats: 2 species (one for small house cats, one for big predator cats)horses: zebra, horses, etc... one speciesdeer: Deer, moose, caribou, etc... all one speciesthere are not 6 million species of animals using that...

So how'd we get from one of each of these "species" to all the things we see today? Magic? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

honestly? evolution... animals do change, just not from species to species...we've seen animals change size, etc. to fit thier environment, what we've never seen is changes in species...

So you believe in microevolution at least. Well, you're a step ahead of most strict creationsists at least.Let's talk about how you think it's a sin for girls to wear pants and earrings.

pants and earrings are ok, but slow dancing only can only lead to fornication

 

[The Football Freak]

How many species of animals are there on earth?

There are about 300,000 different species of beetles. (link)If you include non-beetles such as aardvarks, the number is even higher.

1. the link says beetles make up a quarter of the animal kingdom, so if there are 300,000 species of beetles, that means that there are only 900,000 other animals...also:

Some beetles live in salt water while others live in fresh water and under the bark of dead and living trees

In other words, those beetles pro'lly didn't need to be on the ark...and you can take 1/2 of those animals out for being equatic...and another 1/6 we'll say for other equatic animals...what do we have left?1/12 of the animals on earth needing to be on the ark. That is, according to your site's numbers only 10,000 species, LESS than what I said...

Nice guesstimation. Don't forget the 1/18 you have to take out for having too many consonants in their name.

 

[larry_boy_44]

From Larry's ark link#8 Dr. Bill Shea found an ancient pottery sherd within a few yards of the ark which has a carving on it that depicts a bird, a fish, and a man with a hammer wearing a headdress that has the name "Noah" on it. In ancient times these items were created by the locals in the village to sell to visitors of the ark. The ark was a tourist attraction in ancient times and today. :rotflmao:

1. that wasn't my link...2. I think the ark on the mountain top is the real ark...

 

[Foosball God]

none of these would say that we have tons of animals, think of it this way, again:bears: panda, polar, brown, black, etc... all one speciesdogs: wolves, chihuahua, collies, labs, etc.... all one speciescats: 2 species (one for small house cats, one for big predator cats)horses: zebra, horses, etc... one speciesdeer: Deer, moose, caribou, etc... all one speciesthere are not 6 million species of animals using that...

apes: gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, humans... all one species

:rotflmao: beautiful.

 

[bigbottom]

dude, animals change...if they live in a cold climate, they will get thicker fur, and thier fur will change color...we've seen it happen already...animals change, no one has EVER said they don't...

Dude, plenty of people say that animals don't change. They're mostly religious nutjobs, however. But I'm glad to see that you are a supporter of Darwin. I'll send you an invite to his fan club.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

there is a difference...

EVERY CULTURE IN THE WORLD have myths about dragons... Every single one of them...

some have stories about seeing them...

how can something not have existed? If every culture says the same thing happened, it had to have happened at some point in history...

You do know what a myth is, don't you?

 

[Lonesome Dove]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

 

[bigbottom]

And just so everyone knows, Larry Boy has his little pamphlet of talking points on the issue, so he'll have an answer to pretty much any question you throw at him. The answers will often be ridiculous, but they'll be answers.

I have a question for Larry. Why does my cat lick his ### before cleaning the rest of himself? It seems that he would try to avoid spreading the remnants of cat #### all over himself by licking his ### last?Someone has got to have an answer for this one. I'm puzzled.

Cat's don't have the will power to save dessert for last.

 

[the rover]

animals thought to be "prehistoric" found

selikamp (sp?) - They were thought to be extinct for billions of years, until they were found in 1970. They also are said to be the link between water and land dwelling animals, only all the selikamp we have found so far die in shallow water. How did they get on land if they can't live in shallow water?

Megamouth sharks were thought to be extinct until they were found in 1976.

The coelacanth predated the dinosaurs, and has existed for 400 million years. How does that help you? Isn't your earth only about 10,000 years old?

 

[Mr.Squidward]

I think Lonesome Dove is high....

 

[Mark Speener]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

Pascals wager is a bad bet.It ain't even on the board in Vegas.

 

[Bull Dozier]

How many species of animals are there on earth?

There are about 300,000 different species of beetles. (link)If you include non-beetles such as aardvarks, the number is even higher.

1. the link says beetles make up a quarter of the animal kingdom, so if there are 300,000 species of beetles, that means that there are only 900,000 other animals...also:

Some beetles live in salt water while others live in fresh water and under the bark of dead and living trees

In other words, those beetles pro'lly didn't need to be on the ark...and you can take 1/2 of those animals out for being equatic...and another 1/6 we'll say for other equatic animals...what do we have left?1/12 of the animals on earth needing to be on the ark. That is, according to your site's numbers only 10,000 species, LESS than what I said...

Do you own a calculator?

 

[Dickies]

And just so everyone knows, Larry Boy has his little pamphlet of talking points on the issue, so he'll have an answer to pretty much any question you throw at him.  The answers will often be ridiculous, but they'll be answers.

I have a question for Larry. Why does my cat lick his ### before cleaning the rest of himself? It seems that he would try to avoid spreading the remnants of cat #### all over himself by licking his ### last?Someone has got to have an answer for this one. I'm puzzled.

Cat's don't have the will power to save dessert for last.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[Jayrok]

Also, animals didn't eat meat until after the flood. Gen 9:2-3: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."Therefore the ark was totally plausible...

So 8 people fed all these animals everyday and cleaned up after them everyday for over a year? I can see how Noah's sons got roped into it but their wives also had to work their collective asses off.. Where did they get all the vegetation needed to feed all those animals, and was eucholiptus leaves part of that diet for the koalas? Did they have a refrigerated compartment for the penguins?What if one of Noah's sons accidently stepped on one of the two ants?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The Football Freak, bigbottom, PAO, Mr.Squidward, Bull Dozier, CrossEyed, larry_boy_44, Yankee23Fan, Maurile Tremblay, Brock Middlebrook, Andy Dufresne, scoobygang, JZilla, FatMax, Shooter McGavin, Homer J Simpson, kt421, Gold Dragon, DaVinci, Bottomfeeder Sports, Lonesome Dove, Ranethe, Sammy3469, Stovespipe, KoyaThey DO exist...

 

[Gold Dragon]

Not all Christians are Young Earth Creationists.

The American Scientific Affiliation

An association of Christian scientists.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The Football Freak, bigbottom, PAO, Mr.Squidward, Bull Dozier, CrossEyed, larry_boy_44, Yankee23Fan, Maurile Tremblay, Brock Middlebrook, Andy Dufresne, scoobygang, JZilla, FatMax, Shooter McGavin, Homer J Simpson, kt421, Gold Dragon, DaVinci, Bottomfeeder Sports, Lonesome Dove, Ranethe, Sammy3469, Stovespipe, KoyaThey DO exist...

I'm really a dinosaur.

 

[Hosstetler]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

Please tell me what you know! Then provide TIA

 

[Lonesome Dove]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

Pascals wager is a bad bet.It ain't even on the board in Vegas.

but it has infinite returns no matter how long the odds

 

[bueno]

none of these would say that we have tons of animals, think of it this way, again:bears: panda, polar, brown, black, etc... all one speciesdogs: wolves, chihuahua, collies, labs, etc.... all one speciescats: 2 species (one for small house cats, one for big predator cats)horses: zebra, horses, etc... one speciesdeer: Deer, moose, caribou, etc... all one speciesthere are not 6 million species of animals using that...

apes: gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, humans... all one species

You've been to the gym today too?

 

[JZilla]

The Football Freak, bigbottom, PAO, Mr.Squidward, Bull Dozier, CrossEyed, larry_boy_44, Yankee23Fan, Maurile Tremblay, Brock Middlebrook, Andy Dufresne, scoobygang, JZilla, FatMax, Shooter McGavin, Homer J Simpson, kt421, Gold Dragon, DaVinci, Bottomfeeder Sports, Lonesome Dove, Ranethe, Sammy3469, Stovespipe, KoyaThey DO exist...

I'm really a dinosaur.

me too.larryboy is right.burn in hell, t00ls.

 

[bueno]

I nominate this thread for "instant classic" status.

Approved.

All in favor?

I think a term of reference must be derived from a thread for it to truly become a classic.

I'm thinking something with the dragons angle....

Something with a Peter Paul and Mary theme maybe?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I nominate this thread for "instant classic" status.

Approved.

All in favor?

I think a term of reference must be derived from a thread for it to truly become a classic.

I'm thinking something with the dragons angle....

Something with a Peter Paul and Mary theme maybe?

Don't dragons remind anyone else of moats?

 

[Lonesome Dove]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

Please tell me what you know! Then provide TIA

i know enough to know that i don't knoweven one betteri know enough to know that i probably don't WANT to knowI really wouldn't expect you to understand. Just noodle on it for a while. Awareness is nothing but a curse.But I'm detracting from larry's spotlight....please continue.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

I nominate this thread for "instant classic" status.

Approved.

All in favor?

I think a term of reference must be derived from a thread for it to truly become a classic.

I'm thinking something with the dragons angle....

I think we need Dragons and Golden Dragon in here to confirm these claims of Dragons existing.

 

[Mark Speener]

The Football Freak, bigbottom, PAO, Mr.Squidward, Bull Dozier, CrossEyed, larry_boy_44, Yankee23Fan, Maurile Tremblay, Brock Middlebrook, Andy Dufresne, scoobygang, JZilla, FatMax, Shooter McGavin, Homer J Simpson, kt421, Gold Dragon, DaVinci, Bottomfeeder Sports, Lonesome Dove, Ranethe, Sammy3469, Stovespipe, KoyaThey DO exist...

I'm really a dinosaur.

Case closed then.

 

[No. 16]

Hahahaahahahahahahahaahahaha.It sucks to have people laugh at your beliefs... but if anything. I think this thread deserves it.Can someone get a mind of their own?

 

[Jayrok]

Larry, I have a question for youid Noah take the animals in two by two, like you are saying.. or did he take them in by sevens?

Perhaps Lonesome Dove can answer this one then..?

 

[Jayrok]

Awareness is nothing but a curse.

now why is that?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

The Football Freak, bigbottom, PAO, Mr.Squidward, Bull Dozier, CrossEyed, larry_boy_44, Yankee23Fan, Maurile Tremblay, Brock Middlebrook, Andy Dufresne, scoobygang, JZilla, FatMax, Shooter McGavin, Homer J Simpson, kt421, Gold Dragon, DaVinci, Bottomfeeder Sports, Lonesome Dove, Ranethe, Sammy3469, Stovespipe, KoyaThey DO exist...

I'm really a dinosaur.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[larry_boy_44]

there is a difference...

EVERY CULTURE IN THE WORLD have myths about dragons... Every single one of them...

some have stories about seeing them...

how can something not have existed? If every culture says the same thing happened, it had to have happened at some point in history...

You do know what a myth is, don't you?

yes, and I also know that there isn't one myth that doesn't have some basis in reality...not one...

everything has a piece of truth to it, and the fact that so many cultures have myths about creatures that look EXACTLY alike tells me something...

 

[Hosstetler]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

Please tell me what you know! Then provide TIA

i know enough to know that i don't knoweven one betteri know enough to know that i probably don't WANT to knowI really wouldn't expect you to understand. Just noodle on it for a while. Awareness is nothing but a curse.But I'm detracting from larry's spotlight....please continue.

I honestly think your opinion is what rounds this thread off. Is what you know what I think you know or are you talking about the other thing that I didn't know but should have known? I'm just asking because I want to focus on the right thing to noodle.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

there is a difference...

EVERY CULTURE IN THE WORLD have myths about dragons... Every single one of them...

some have stories about seeing them...

how can something not have existed? If every culture says the same thing happened, it had to have happened at some point in history...

You do know what a myth is, don't you?

yes, and I also know that there isn't one myth that doesn't have some basis in reality...not one...

everything has a piece of truth to it, and the fact that so many cultures have myths about creatures that look EXACTLY alike tells me something...

your standard of proof is pretty low?

 

[larry_boy_44]

animals thought to be "prehistoric" found

selikamp (sp?) - They were thought to be extinct for billions of years, until they were found in 1970. They also are said to be the link between water and land dwelling animals, only all the selikamp we have found so far die in shallow water. How did they get on land if they can't live in shallow water?

Megamouth sharks were thought to be extinct until they were found in 1976.

The coelacanth predated the dinosaurs, and has existed for 400 million years. How does that help you? Isn't your earth only about 10,000 years old?

dude, the two animals I was just talking about were suppose to have been extinct for billions (hundreds of millions) of years... but they aren't even extinct today...

 

[Lonesome Dove]

Larry, I have a question for youid Noah take the animals in two by two, like you are saying.. or did he take them in by sevens?

Perhaps Lonesome Dove can answer this one then..?

I have no opinion on this whatsoever. What did you gain from convincing yourself that there was no Ark, or that it was only a metaphor? Did it add in a meaningful way to your life? Did that superior knowledge give you a sense of well-being so great that it overwhelmed the knowledge that you only have your time here on earth and that is it?

 

[Mark Speener]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

Pascals wager is a bad bet.It ain't even on the board in Vegas.

but it has infinite returns no matter how long the odds

Prove it.

 

[bigbottom]

I nominate this thread for "instant classic" status.

Approved.

All in favor?

I think a term of reference must be derived from a thread for it to truly become a classic.

I'm thinking something with the dragons angle....

Something with a Peter Paul and Mary theme maybe?

Don't dragons remind anyone else of moats?

No. Drawbridges maybe.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I really wouldn't expect you to understand. Just noodle on it for a while. Awareness is nothing but a curse.

Awareness is a curse? Wow, your world must be wonderful.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I nominate this thread for "instant classic" status.

Approved.

All in favor?

I think a term of reference must be derived from a thread for it to truly become a classic.

I'm thinking something with the dragons angle....

Something with a Peter Paul and Mary theme maybe?

Don't dragons remind anyone else of moats?

No. Drawbridges maybe.

Was that it?

Actually, it's both.

 

[Jayrok]

The Ark

Noah's ark was actually bigger than we currently think it was. The Bible says it is cubits big, 300 x 50 x 30 to be exact. The general thought behind cubits is that they are 18 inches long, because that is what modern cubits are. The problem with that, however, is that when Moses wrote Genesis, a cubit was the length from elbow to wrist (hand?), which could have been considerably longer. IN fact, a Royal Egyptian Cubit is 20.6 inches, not 18.

So, according to popular theory, the ark was:

450' x 75' x 45' = 1518750 square feet

But, using Egyptian measurements, they are:

515' x 85.833' x 51.5' = 2276505.7425

a total increase of 65' x 10.833' x 6.5' or 757755.7425 square feet more... It was 50% bigger than we currently think it was.

Now, let's look at how animals could fit in there...

the standard animal's size is a sheep. All animals, average, = sheep...

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH512_2.html

So, 250 sheep can fit in a railroad car...

Let's assume there are 20,000 different kinds of animals that need to go in pairs on the ark... That means that we need to have 160 railroad cars worth of space on the ark.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html

with a 18 inch cubit, the ark is as big as 569 railroad cars... lets take that number (even though I showed before that the real ark is 50% bigger than the average railroad car), that means that the ark had 409 railroad cars worth of space left on it if the animals were in it like they are on railroads... They had MORE than enough room on the ark for all the animals... Animals could have 4 or 5 times more space ont he ark than they get currently on railroad cars...

Also, animals didn't eat meat until after the flood.

Gen 9:2-3: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."

Therefore the ark was totally plausible...

Here.

no, that was Gilgamish's ark discovered there..

 

[bueno]

I nominate this thread for "instant classic" status.

Approved.

All in favor?

I think a term of reference must be derived from a thread for it to truly become a classic.

I'm thinking something with the dragons angle....

Something with a Peter Paul and Mary theme maybe?

Don't dragons remind anyone else of moats?

No. Drawbridges maybe.

Was that it?

Actually, it's both.

I think he loves that rascal Puff.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

Awareness is nothing but a curse.

now why is that?

Has awareness, especially, on this particular issue given you some utility or value to your life, that you wouldn't have had otherwise?Look at the sheep man....Do you see them having crisis or breakdowns?Do you see them self-medicating? They are aware of only their little worlds and I envy that every day.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

dude, animals change...

if they live in a cold climate, they will get thicker fur, and thier fur will change color...

we've seen it happen already...

animals change, no one has EVER said they don't...

Don't preface your arguements with dude, Larry. How are we ever going to take you seriously if you do?Seriously

 

[larry_boy_44]

Job

Job has a lot of interesting facts in it. First, Job talks about there being "Springs of the sea" in chapter 38. We didn't even know that until about 30 years ago, but Job talks about it and Job is one of the oldest book in the Bible..

Job also talks about modern constallation slike Orian, Pleiades, Mazzaroth, Arcturus, etc. in chapter 38.

Job has 2 rather large animals, and there are many theories about what they are... The first one is much easier to determine than the second.

animal #1: the Behemoth:

thought to be an elephant or a rhino, but that isn't possible...

this is all from chapter 40

fact #1: Job is told to behold the Behemoht... in other words LOOK AT IT!! so it had to have existed when Job was written.

fact #2: it eats grass like an ok

fact #3: it gets its strength from its loins.

fact #4: it has force in the naval of its belly

ok, so far elephants and rhinos fit... do they keep fitting?

fact #5: Tail like a ceder

nope, it can't be an elephant or a rhino now, they don't have tails like a ceder... Oh yeah, the word in Hebrew for "ceder" used there is talking of a tree akin to modern redwoods... Yes, that big...

fact #6: bones like brass & iron

fact #7: chief of the ways of God

fact #8: lives in fens (swamp)

fact #9: when it drinks water it can stop a river

OK, so its huge, big bones, giant tail, and is really really strong. Could it look like this:

http://www.sdnhm.org/kids/dinosaur/namegame/images/5.gif

I think so...

Also,t here is another thing:

There is a swamp in Congo & Zaire that is 155,000 sq. miles... The locals in this area believe and have in some cases seen an animal they call Mokele-Mbembe. They claim to have killed one in 1959, too. The name "Mokele-Mbembe" means "likes to stop rivers".

http://www.mokelembembe.com/

http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/mokele.htm

http://skepdic.com/mokele.html

to be continued...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think he loves that rascal Puff.

Considering the topic of that song and the theme of this thread, I agree with you.

 

[bueno]

Job

Job has a lot of interesting facts in it. First, Job talks about there being "Springs of the sea" in chapter 38. We didn't even know that until about 30 years ago, but Job talks about it and Job is one of the oldest book in the Bible..

Job also talks about modern constallation slike Orian, Pleiades, Mazzaroth, Arcturus, etc. in chapter 38.

Job has 2 rather large animals, and there are many theories about what they are... The first one is much easier to determine than the second.

animal #1: the Behemoth:

thought to be an elephant or a rhino, but that isn't possible...

this is all from chapter 40

fact #1: Job is told to behold the Behemoht... in other words LOOK AT IT!! so it had to have existed when Job was written.

fact #2: it eats grass like an ok

fact #3: it gets its strength from its loins.

fact #4: it has force in the naval of its belly

ok, so far elephants and rhinos fit... do they keep fitting?

fact #5: Tail like a ceder

nope, it can't be an elephant or a rhino now, they don't have tails like a ceder... Oh yeah, the word in Hebrew for "ceder" used there is talking of a tree akin to modern redwoods... Yes, that big...

fact #6: bones like brass & iron

fact #7: chief of the ways of God

fact #8: lives in fens (swamp)

fact #9: when it drinks water it can stop a river

OK, so its huge, big bones, giant tail, and is really really strong. Could it look like this:

http://www.sdnhm.org/kids/dinosaur/namegame/images/5.gif

I think so...

Also,t here is another thing:

There is a swamp in Congo & Zaire that is 155,000 sq. miles... The locals in this area believe and have in some cases seen an animal they call Mokele-Mbembe. They claim to have killed one in 1959, too. The name "Mokele-Mbembe" means "likes to stop rivers".

http://www.mokelembembe.com/

http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/mokele.htm

http://skepdic.com/mokele.html

to be continued...

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