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Creation vs. Evolution (1 Viewer)
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Homer J Simpson
I don't push
So if ignorance is bliss, as you seem to be arguing, is it ignorant to believe in the Ark myth? In your case it seems to be willful ignorance....
Lonesome Dove
Footballguy
How about this, it could have infinite returns and still costs nothing.
ElGatoLoco
Footballguy
Doesn't it suck to be the last to know?I'm really a dinosaur.The Football Freak, bigbottom, PAO, Mr.Squidward, Bull Dozier, CrossEyed, larry_boy_44, Yankee23Fan, Maurile Tremblay, Brock Middlebrook, Andy Dufresne, scoobygang, JZilla, FatMax, Shooter McGavin, Homer J Simpson, kt421, Gold Dragon, DaVinci, Bottomfeeder Sports, Lonesome Dove, Ranethe, Sammy3469, Stovespipe, KoyaThey DO exist...
Jayrok
Footballguy
you don't have an opinion? that mean you don't know?I didn't "gain" anything. I believe that there was a local flood at one time in history and several different sources wrote about it. I don't, however, believe that all the animals were taken on it so God could flood the entire earth. If the flood story in genesis is a metaphor for something else, then fine. But there was no literal ark in the sense it is described in Genesis. and you're pretty hostile for a christian.. might make for fun conversation.. So why don't you have an opinion.. do you not read your bible?I have no opinion on this whatsoever. What did you gain from convincing yourself that there was no Ark, or that it was only a metaphor? Did it add in a meaningful way to your life? Did that superior knowledge give you a sense of well-being so great that it overwhelmed the knowledge that you only have your time here on earth and that is it?Perhaps Lonesome Dove can answer this one then..?Larry, I have a question for youid Noah take the animals in two by two, like you are saying.. or did he take them in by sevens?
bigbottom
Footballguy
Larry: I frankly don't understand why you and others try to prove scientifically that all of these animals could have been collected in seven days and fit on board a boat of the size described in the Bible. God is all powerful, right? He can do anything he wants right? So he could have easily had Noah build an ark with the outer dimensions outlined in the Bible, and with interior dimensions that are much greater so as to fit every species of animal on Earth, including two of each of those 350,000 species of beetles. It's called a miracle, and if I remember correctly, God is sort of in the business of miracles.
Hosstetler
Footballguy
This is the only thread I have seen Librals and Conservatives banded together for a month. :rotflmao:
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Job, Cont.
the second thing talked about is the Leviathon... There are some that think that the Leviathon is really a T-Rex.
v.8 - You can't beat him, if he sees you, you will die
v16-17 - he had scales
v.18 - when he "neezes" light shines... ("neezing" is kinda like "Sneezing" for real... its a mistranslation, just taken right into Englihs, that kinda thing)
v.20 - flames out of his mouth
v.34 - beholds all high things, the king of all prideful things
4 reasons to believe fire-breathing "dragon" or dinasour existed:
1. the Bible says it
2. the legends of fire-breathing dragons
3. it is possible (see: Bombadier Beetle)
4. the big crest int he back of some dinosaurs heads could have held the chemicals needed to breathe fire (see: bombadier beetle). Also, the "honeycomb"-like structure in the back of a T-Rex's head also could have contained the chemicals.
Also, there are Japanese eggs painted in ancient times with fire-breathing T-Rex's on them. (well, what appears to be a T-Rex)
the second thing talked about is the Leviathon... There are some that think that the Leviathon is really a T-Rex.
v.8 - You can't beat him, if he sees you, you will die
v16-17 - he had scales
v.18 - when he "neezes" light shines... ("neezing" is kinda like "Sneezing" for real... its a mistranslation, just taken right into Englihs, that kinda thing)
v.20 - flames out of his mouth
v.34 - beholds all high things, the king of all prideful things
4 reasons to believe fire-breathing "dragon" or dinasour existed:
1. the Bible says it
2. the legends of fire-breathing dragons
3. it is possible (see: Bombadier Beetle)
4. the big crest int he back of some dinosaurs heads could have held the chemicals needed to breathe fire (see: bombadier beetle). Also, the "honeycomb"-like structure in the back of a T-Rex's head also could have contained the chemicals.
Also, there are Japanese eggs painted in ancient times with fire-breathing T-Rex's on them. (well, what appears to be a T-Rex)
Gold Dragon
Footballguy
Would that make Noah's ark like a singularity?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
ElGatoLoco
Footballguy
Seriously...stop doing that.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Isn't that Fred Flintstone's work crane at the quarry? Mr. Flint is gonna be pissed when he sees that Freddy's not on his machine.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
T-Rex's had flames coming out of their mouths?
Lonesome Dove
Footballguy
Don't mean to be hostile at all, the eternal damnation was a joke. I watched "the good girl" the other day and it was a quote in there. Plus, you get a nip shot of Jennifer Anistonyou don't have an opinion? that mean you don't know?I didn't "gain" anything. I believe that there was a local flood at one time in history and several different sources wrote about it. I don't, however, believe that all the animals were taken on it so God could flood the entire earth. If the flood story in genesis is a metaphor for something else, then fine. But there was no literal ark in the sense it is described in Genesis. and you're pretty hostile for a christian.. might make for fun conversation.. So why don't you have an opinion.. do you not read your bible?I have no opinion on this whatsoever. What did you gain from convincing yourself that there was no Ark, or that it was only a metaphor? Did it add in a meaningful way to your life? Did that superior knowledge give you a sense of well-being so great that it overwhelmed the knowledge that you only have your time here on earth and that is it?Perhaps Lonesome Dove can answer this one then..?Larry, I have a question for you
.I just get tired of the holier than thou athiests (pun intended) that assert that they absolutely know that there isn't a God. Well I absolutely know that I don't believe in absolutes. I know that I , and my reasoning is fallable. I know that everyone else's is too.Therefore, I know that I cannot absolutely know this answer and cease to try.
Jayrok
Footballguy
well, the answer is right there in the bible. I'm no atheist.. but those atheists in this thread are not arguing that there isn't a God.. they are simply refuting the idea that the Ark really housed all those animals, etc..Don't mean to be hostile at all, the eternal damnation was a joke. I watched "the good girl" the other day and it was a quote in there. Plus, you get a nip shot of Jennifer Anistonyou don't have an opinion? that mean you don't know?I didn't "gain" anything. I believe that there was a local flood at one time in history and several different sources wrote about it. I don't, however, believe that all the animals were taken on it so God could flood the entire earth. If the flood story in genesis is a metaphor for something else, then fine. But there was no literal ark in the sense it is described in Genesis. and you're pretty hostile for a christian.. might make for fun conversation.. So why don't you have an opinion.. do you not read your bible?I have no opinion on this whatsoever. What did you gain from convincing yourself that there was no Ark, or that it was only a metaphor? Did it add in a meaningful way to your life? Did that superior knowledge give you a sense of well-being so great that it overwhelmed the knowledge that you only have your time here on earth and that is it?Perhaps Lonesome Dove can answer this one then..?Larry, I have a question for you
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
also, if species are so for sure right right now, why did the magazine New Scientist in September of 2004 say that the scientific community is considering reclassigying ALL species?????
ElGatoLoco
Footballguy
Did you read the article? They might put a reason why in the article.
Hosstetler
Footballguy
I don't absolutely know there is no God, but in all my years at church I never saw anything that proved there was a God or anything that would even hint there was a God for that matter. I have a simple deal with any God that exists and wants me is run around doing dances for him in a 'God' tee shirt: show up in my living room and turn my couch into a watermelon or something. Until then, piss off.Don't mean to be hostile at all, the eternal damnation was a joke. I watched "the good girl" the other day and it was a quote in there. Plus, you get a nip shot of Jennifer Aniston
Therefore, I know that I cannot absolutely know this answer and cease to try.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
what about the second law of thermodynamics? Something about how things will decay if lieft to themselves...Well, I think it is safe to say that everything was left to itself when "life" was created "billions" of years ago if evolution is true... so how did it do something other than decay? Or is life really decaying non-life?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
have you?I'm just pointing out that speciation isn't exactly really exact at this time...
Lonesome Dove
Footballguy
While, this may be true, they are implicitely mocking his beliefs. This goes back to a thread a while back about athiests converting believers. Same names appear...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Look up. That big glowing circle in the sky should tell you where some of the energy comes from. The earth is not a closed system unto itself.
JZilla
Footballguy
if that happens, let me know.I don't absolutely know there is no God, but in all my years at church I never saw anything that proved there was a God or anything that would even hint there was a God for that matter. I have a simple deal with any God that exists and wants me is run around doing dances for him in a 'God' tee shirt: show up in my living room and turn my couch into a watermelon or something. Until then, piss off.Don't mean to be hostile at all, the eternal damnation was a joke. I watched "the good girl" the other day and it was a quote in there. Plus, you get a nip shot of Jennifer Aniston
Therefore, I know that I cannot absolutely know this answer and cease to try.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Genesis 6:19-20 -- You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive..
Genesis 7:2-3 -- Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
So which is it.. two (one pair) or seven pairs?
Genesis 7:2-3 -- Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
So which is it.. two (one pair) or seven pairs?
Hosstetler
Footballguy
I will, and well fill it full of vodka, put it in the freezer and eat it right after churchif that happens, let me know.I don't absolutely know there is no God, but in all my years at church I never saw anything that proved there was a God or anything that would even hint there was a God for that matter. I have a simple deal with any God that exists and wants me is run around doing dances for him in a 'God' tee shirt: show up in my living room and turn my couch into a watermelon or something. Until then, piss off.Don't mean to be hostile at all, the eternal damnation was a joke. I watched "the good girl" the other day and it was a quote in there. Plus, you get a nip shot of Jennifer Aniston
Therefore, I know that I cannot absolutely know this answer and cease to try.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
A classic..THIS IS NOT THE SECOND LAW OF THERMO
Mark Speener
Comfortably Numb
Found it. Argumentum ad ignorantium
Lonesome Dove
Footballguy
Just do an EV calculation on it.Even at .0000001% chance X infinity would be kinda ####ty, no?I don't absolutely know there is no God, but in all my years at church I never saw anything that proved there was a God or anything that would even hint there was a God for that matter. I have a simple deal with any God that exists and wants me is run around doing dances for him in a 'God' tee shirt: show up in my living room and turn my couch into a watermelon or something. Until then, piss off.Don't mean to be hostile at all, the eternal damnation was a joke. I watched "the good girl" the other day and it was a quote in there. Plus, you get a nip shot of Jennifer Aniston
Therefore, I know that I cannot absolutely know this answer and cease to try.
Btw, I didn't find God at church either. I found him in everyday life. Can I prove He exists, No? Can you prove he doesn't? Perhaps you can come closer, but it's hard to disprove a feeling. Is it pointless to try? IMO, you bet.
So maybe there was an Ark, maybe there wasn't. Maybe BB hit the explanation on the head above. Think of it like a Magic Bag that con hold a longsword, 2 breast plates, and a medallion.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
No, we're mocking his attempted use of science to show proof of something that requires faith. Check bigbottom's post awhile back. Larry doesn't need to prove this to us or anyone.
Mark Speener
Comfortably Numb
If they teach creationism at church why does it also need to be taught in school? A bit redundant and wasteful, don't ya think?
What if they don't teach your creationism? What if they teach old earth creationism? Young earth? What if they teach that the earth is flat like a disc and riding on the back of a giant turtle?
I think the real danger is teaching Gravity. It's just a theory you know.
What if they don't teach your creationism? What if they teach old earth creationism? Young earth? What if they teach that the earth is flat like a disc and riding on the back of a giant turtle?
I think the real danger is teaching Gravity. It's just a theory you know.
Lonesome Dove
Footballguy
It seems to me, as such fans of science, that should at least hear his attempt before frothing at the mouth with witty retorts. He had hardly started before the wolves came in. Maybe how copernicus felt?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I like that #3 is 'it's possible'
Jayrok
Footballguy
that is correct. Trying to prove something in the bible to be fact would be very difficult. That is why christianity, as other religions, are based on faith. Have faith, but don't try to "prove" things. It's odd how you try to prove the flood was real and true, when there are other things in the bible that would be more difficult to prove. I mean, proving the ark is irrelevent when you still have to try and prove that man can actually be made into a man from dust. Prove a man can be made whole from nothing but dust, then people might listen to flood facts..
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
From science we learned that, in x number of years, the Earth will no longer be able to support life. Another theory says that the Sun, from which we get all of our energy, will implode into itself, also in y number of years, hence creating a black hole which will suck up everything around it. So whether it is in x years or y years, we are doomed. There is an end.Also from science, we know people of history were smart enough to figure out astronomy. So, based on science and astronomy, it's possible somone in history figured this out long before written history. Perhaps they said it in a different way, that a fire breathing dragon will come along and swallow the Earth, but the idea is the same.Then how hard would it be for this person to write a book that says the World will come to an end and have everyone believe it?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
hyberbaric chambers, earth's pressure, & larger animals
Have you ever heard of hyperbaric chambers? Those things that you go in and they increase oxygen from about 20% to 35% and double the atmospheric pressure...
You can breathe easier when you are in them, also, they give you more energy, you can run farther, do more, etc...
A large number of professional sports teams have these to help the athletes heal quicker...
The guy who ran this seminar says that they were curing cancer using hyperbaric chambers in the 50's...
http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/natural_m...rs/201410.shtml
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...09/MN133738.DTL
It can cure Cerebral Palsy according to the Buffallo News on 9/5/2000.
They can double healing time.
All this great stuff, and more...
See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...
At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...
The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...
Then there are the air pockets in amber. When they find air pockets in amber and study it, they find that the air pockets have about 35% oxygen.
Also, at high altitudes, mountain climbers don't heal fast, which shows the opposite is true with high pressure and extra oxygen...
Now, what does this all mean? this:
before the flood there was a canopy of water above the earth that fell during the flood, a 7th layer of the atmosphere. What this layer did, is it would increase oxygen to about 35%, double the pressure, and make the whole planet tropical. This would allow animals to grow larger (see the scorpion) and explain a lot things, most notably:
dinosaurs in general
11'6" human skeleton found in Italy
12'2" human skeleton found in Wisconsin
a human finger bone found in Texas the size of a normal finger
a rodent the size of a bison
a fossil dragonfly with a 3 foot wingspan
a 13' tall hornless rhino found in siberia
a 90 foot plumb tree found NORTH of the Arctic Circle
18" roaches
2' grasshoppers
8 foot beavers
80 foot shark jaw & tooth found
12 foot oyster
13 foot turtle
http://myusm.com/usm376742.html
add those creatures to the fact that lizards never EVER stop growing, and you have your dinosaurs, current lizards, only many times bigger than they are now...
Have you ever heard of hyperbaric chambers? Those things that you go in and they increase oxygen from about 20% to 35% and double the atmospheric pressure...
You can breathe easier when you are in them, also, they give you more energy, you can run farther, do more, etc...
A large number of professional sports teams have these to help the athletes heal quicker...
The guy who ran this seminar says that they were curing cancer using hyperbaric chambers in the 50's...
http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/natural_m...rs/201410.shtml
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...09/MN133738.DTL
It can cure Cerebral Palsy according to the Buffallo News on 9/5/2000.
They can double healing time.
All this great stuff, and more...
See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...
At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...
The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...
Then there are the air pockets in amber. When they find air pockets in amber and study it, they find that the air pockets have about 35% oxygen.
Also, at high altitudes, mountain climbers don't heal fast, which shows the opposite is true with high pressure and extra oxygen...
Now, what does this all mean? this:
before the flood there was a canopy of water above the earth that fell during the flood, a 7th layer of the atmosphere. What this layer did, is it would increase oxygen to about 35%, double the pressure, and make the whole planet tropical. This would allow animals to grow larger (see the scorpion) and explain a lot things, most notably:
dinosaurs in general
11'6" human skeleton found in Italy
12'2" human skeleton found in Wisconsin
a human finger bone found in Texas the size of a normal finger
a rodent the size of a bison
a fossil dragonfly with a 3 foot wingspan
a 13' tall hornless rhino found in siberia
a 90 foot plumb tree found NORTH of the Arctic Circle
18" roaches
2' grasshoppers
8 foot beavers
80 foot shark jaw & tooth found
12 foot oyster
13 foot turtle
http://myusm.com/usm376742.html
add those creatures to the fact that lizards never EVER stop growing, and you have your dinosaurs, current lizards, only many times bigger than they are now...
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
Two of his arguments are DRAGONS AND THE LOCH NESS MONSTER.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
so, as soon as the sun shone on the earth life started???but, the second law of thermodynamics knows about the sun, and things still decay now...
