Creation vs. Evolution (1 Viewer)

[bigbottom]

besides, what is a beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

 

[larry_boy_44]

ok, I'm done for now... I have like 1 more page of notes or so... something like that... lol I think I have parts of other pages left, too...

larry_boy_44, your posts accomplish two things.1) Ecourage Christians to doubt their faith because of how ridiculous your arguments are.

2) Encourage Atheists to continue in their atheism because of how ridiculous your arguments are.

Congratulations and pat yourself on the back.

Religious Tolerance : Beliefs about Evolution and Creation

Beliefs among conservative Christians:

In 1999-NOV, Focus on the Family, a Fundamentalist Christian agency, concluded a poll of their web site visitors concerning their beliefs about creation and evolution. Results were:

God created the universe, but I don't know when: 46%

God created the universe thousands of years ago: 43%

God created the universe billions of years ago: 10%

Life came into being and evolved on its own: 1%

I don't have a clue: 0.4%

Beliefs elsewhere in the world:

Belief in creation science seems to be largely a U.S. phenomenon. A British survey of 103 Roman Catholic priests, Anglican bishops and Protestant ministers/pastors showed that:

97% do not believe the world was created in six days.

80% do not believe in the existence of Adam and Eve.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/bernifal.htmlhttp://www.creationists.org/dinos_artifacts_and_art.html

why is this stuff so outrageous? I seriously don't get it...

 

[the rover]

besides, what is a beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

no, because he doesn't understand evolution.

 

[larry_boy_44]

those species aren't really species...a polar bear and a grizzly bear are the same species...

genus, not species.

alright, the Bible says "kind"... what is meant by that?genus, ok... we'll go with that...how many genus are there?

I don't think you can say that only two animals of each genus made it on the ark. I'm no science expert, but I'm fairly certain that many of the various species within a genus cannot mate with one another. If I understand your point on evolution, there must have been two of every animal that can mate. I don't think koala bears can mate with brown bears. So you'd need both of those. Hell, I don't think polar bears can mate with brown bears, but I'm not sure. I'm also fairly certain that the 350,000 species of beetles cannot mate with each other, so it's not like you can have just two beetles representing all 350,000 species.

beetles wouldn't have needed to be on the ark, they could ahve survived the flood...

link?

actually I think you posted the link before that said some beetles live under water...if they live underwater they wouldn't need to be on the ark...if the beetles are all linked to eachother, then they only need the beetles who could survive in water to survive, then the rest could breed of off those and after a few generations they'd forget how to survive in water if they hadn't done it in a while...

Again, you've ignored my assertion that most of the species of beetles can't mate with one another. If you are asserting that only a couple beetles need to have survived the oceans during the flood to propagate the 350,000 species we have today, then you've just made an argument for macroevolution/speciation.

CAN they mate? Or will they not mate? There is a huge difference between can't and won't...

 

[larry_boy_44]

besides, what is a beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

It died in mid-bite. That doesn't mean it was fossilized in mid-bite. See, if someone chokes to death on a chicken bone and then is fossilized, he'd look like he'd been fossilized in the act of eating a chicken. Same principle.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

You realize they pretty much "made' chihuahuas in a lab, right?t

They "made" a three-legged cross between a goat and a sheep, too. Doesn't mean evolution happens at that speed.

 

[bigbottom]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

 

[the rover]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

why would the flood kill fish?

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

besides, what is a beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

He must've missed Darwin's statements as to an intelligent creator.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

why would the flood kill fish?

Apparently they're not as good at living in water as beetles.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

 

[larry_boy_44]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

 

[bigbottom]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

why would the flood kill fish?

Apparently they're not as good at living in water as beetles.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

Sure, but how do you get them all? Hey... there should be a commercial based on that. That would be really funny.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

Sure, but how do you get them all? Hey... there should be a commercial based on that. That would be really funny.

If God helped it wouldn't be that hard.

 

[the rover]

can we go back to chihuahas being made in a lab?

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

Hey Larry,I think you're confused.Evolution DOES NOT tell you how everything started.It tells you how everything came to be since.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

Sure, but how do you get them all? Hey... there should be a commercial based on that. That would be really funny.

If God helped it wouldn't be that hard.

But he told Noah to do it.Besides, if God decided not to flood the earth, that would be pretty easy, too.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Aren't beetles, like, really small?  Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

Sure, but how do you get them all? Hey... there should be a commercial based on that. That would be really funny.

If God helped it wouldn't be that hard.

But he told Noah to do it.Besides, if God decided not to flood the earth, that would be pretty easy, too.

Well sure he told Noah to do it, but then God could make sure all the beetles came close enough to Noah so he'd find them. Noah was probably like "hey, I'm so lucky today! I'm finding all the beetles." But it was God the whole time.

 

[larry_boy_44]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

Hey Larry,I think you're confused.Evolution DOES NOT tell you how everything started.It tells you how everything came to be since.

thanks for ignoring the point and instead pointing out the straw man others pointed out...yeah, thanks for not having anything valuable to add...*shakes head*

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

Sure, but how do you get them all? Hey... there should be a commercial based on that. That would be really funny.

If God helped it wouldn't be that hard.

But he told Noah to do it.Besides, if God decided not to flood the earth, that would be pretty easy, too.

Well sure he told Noah to do it, but then God could make sure all the beetles came close enough to Noah so he'd find them. Noah was probably like "hey, I'm so lucky today! I'm finding all the beetles." But it was God the whole time.

I felt like that with my pants this morning. "Whoah, I have clean pants! I'm so lucky today!"Are you saying that was God all along?

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

Hey Larry,I think you're confused.Evolution DOES NOT tell you how everything started.It tells you how everything came to be since.

thanks for ignoring the point and instead pointing out the straw man others pointed out...yeah, thanks for not having anything valuable to add...*shakes head*

Then what is your argument? You asked how things started then you spent this entire post telling us about evolution.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I felt like that with my pants this morning. "Whoah, I have clean pants! I'm so lucky today!"Are you saying that was God all along?

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

 

[larry_boy_44]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

Hey Larry,I think you're confused.Evolution DOES NOT tell you how everything started.It tells you how everything came to be since.

thanks for ignoring the point and instead pointing out the straw man others pointed out...yeah, thanks for not having anything valuable to add...*shakes head*

Then what is your argument? You asked how things started then you spent this entire post telling us about evolution.

in the sense of how I am speaking ("creation vs. evolution") they are both how we got here, and you know it...we all know what I am speaking of... I am sorry I didn't say "The Big Bang followed by abiogenesis followed by evolution" to point it out, when it is much easier (and more commonly used by all, except Creationists aren't allowed to use it) to call it evolution...

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

Volcanic eruptions force the land above water, not literally. You do know there are tons of volcanic eruptions under water, right? You should really watch Discover channel instead of looking for science in the Bible. You sounded like you had something to say about five pages ago. Now I wonder if you're too young to watch cable?

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

Volcanic eruptions force the land above water, not literally. You do know there are tons of volcanic eruptions under water, right? You should really watch Discover channel instead of looking for science in the Bible. You sounded like you had something to say about five pages ago. Now I wonder if you're too young to watch cable?

I know that, but that doens't explain how a continent moved hundreds of miles ignoring all the ground that is under the water it moved through, and then reconnected itself to the ground under the water...

 

[larry_boy_44]

hyberbaric chambers, earth's pressure, & larger animals

Have you ever heard of hyperbaric chambers? Those things that you go in and they increase oxygen from about 20% to 35% and double the atmospheric pressure...

You can breathe easier when you are in them, also, they give you more energy, you can run farther, do more, etc...

A large number of professional sports teams have these to help the athletes heal quicker...

The guy who ran this seminar says that they were curing cancer using hyperbaric chambers in the 50's...

http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/natural_m...rs/201410.shtml

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...09/MN133738.DTL

It can cure Cerebral Palsy according to the Buffallo News on 9/5/2000.

They can double healing time.

All this great stuff, and more...

See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...

At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...

The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...

Then there are the air pockets in amber. When they find air pockets in amber and study it, they find that the air pockets have about 35% oxygen.

Also, at high altitudes, mountain climbers don't heal fast, which shows the opposite is true with high pressure and extra oxygen...

Now, what does this all mean? this:

before the flood there was a canopy of water above the earth that fell during the flood, a 7th layer of the atmosphere. What this layer did, is it would increase oxygen to about 35%, double the pressure, and make the whole planet tropical. This would allow animals to grow larger (see the scorpion) and explain a lot things, most notably:

dinosaurs in general

11'6" human skeleton found in Italy

12'2" human skeleton found in Wisconsin

a human finger bone found in Texas the size of a normal finger

a rodent the size of a bison

a fossil dragonfly with a 3 foot wingspan

a 13' tall hornless rhino found in siberia

a 90 foot plumb tree found NORTH of the Arctic Circle

18" roaches

2' grasshoppers

8 foot beavers

80 foot shark jaw & tooth found

12 foot oyster

13 foot turtle

http://myusm.com/usm376742.html

add those creatures to the fact that lizards never EVER stop growing, and you have your dinosaurs, current lizards, only many times bigger than they are now...

bump...seirously, no comments on this?

 

[Dickies]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

tectonics.... read up about this stuff before you deem it false.

 

[the rover]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

the tectonic plates do, in fact, "float" on the asthenosphere

 

[bigbottom]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. I thought you were arguing against evolutionary principles, but then you start posting arguments that favor evolution. Your position is a mess. In any event, I thought we were arguing about how many animals can fit aboard the ark. I'm not really sure how that has anything to do with the creation vs. evolution issue, but you're the one who raised it.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

Volcanic eruptions force the land above water, not literally. You do know there are tons of volcanic eruptions under water, right? You should really watch Discover channel instead of looking for science in the Bible. You sounded like you had something to say about five pages ago. Now I wonder if you're too young to watch cable?

I know that, but that doens't explain how a continent moved hundreds of miles ignoring all the ground that is under the water it moved through, and then reconnected itself to the ground under the water...

Did you learn about tectonic plates and do you know about earthquake faults? All land masses move all the time. Where these land masses meet are the faults. When the joint slips, you have earthquakes. When these land masses move away from each other rather than toward each other, you get islands. Earth is not a singular object. What else do you want to know.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

What if Noah just brought baby animals on the ark? A lot more could fit that way.

 

[larry_boy_44]

besides, what is a  beetles life span? If it is under 1 week, 4000 years = 200,000 generations at least... that is more than enough time for diversification to happen if they are put in all the different climates of the world...

You do realize you are arguing for evolution here, don't you?

yes, changes happen... I don't argue that, I argue how everything started, there is a huge difference...

Evolution doesn't speak to how everything started. How is it that you miss the most fundamental premises of the issue?

*shakes head*why do you always divert to this straw man everytime you run out of arguments?we all know what is being referred to at the beginning of hte thread and what is being referred to in "creation vs. evolution" so quit acting like this has any bearing on what we are talking about 'cuz we all know it doesn't...

I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. I thought you were arguing against evolutionary principles, but then you start posting arguments that favor evolution. Your position is a mess. In any event, I thought we were arguing about how many animals can fit aboard the ark. I'm not really sure how that has anything to do with the creation vs. evolution issue, but you're the one who raised it.

the ark was one small piece, my only real point in that is that it is possible for the animals to fit on the ark...and the whole broad scope of evolution is what i have a problem with, not the FACT that things change...I've said 4 or 5 times that things change...I'm sorry I use the one word commonly used to refer to this whole process and theory instead of the quite exact 2 or 3 phrases I should have, even though you don't have to use them...

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

hyberbaric chambers, earth's pressure, & larger animals

Have you ever heard of hyperbaric chambers? Those things that you go in and they increase oxygen from about 20% to 35% and double the atmospheric pressure...

You can breathe easier when you are in them, also, they give you more energy, you can run farther, do more, etc...

A large number of professional sports teams have these to help the athletes heal quicker...

The guy who ran this seminar says that they were curing cancer using hyperbaric chambers in the 50's...

http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/natural_m...rs/201410.shtml

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...09/MN133738.DTL

It can cure Cerebral Palsy according to the Buffallo News on 9/5/2000.

They can double healing time.

All this great stuff, and more...

See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...

At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...

The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...

Then there are the air pockets in amber. When they find air pockets in amber and study it, they find that the air pockets have about 35% oxygen.

Also, at high altitudes, mountain climbers don't heal fast, which shows the opposite is true with high pressure and extra oxygen...

Now, what does this all mean? this:

before the flood there was a canopy of water above the earth that fell during the flood, a 7th layer of the atmosphere. What this layer did, is it would increase oxygen to about 35%, double the pressure, and make the whole planet tropical. This would allow animals to grow larger (see the scorpion) and explain a lot things, most notably:

dinosaurs in general

11'6" human skeleton found in Italy

12'2" human skeleton found in Wisconsin

a human finger bone found in Texas the size of a normal finger

a rodent the size of a bison

a fossil dragonfly with a 3 foot wingspan

a 13' tall hornless rhino found in siberia

a 90 foot plumb tree found NORTH of the Arctic Circle

18" roaches

2' grasshoppers

8 foot beavers

80 foot shark jaw & tooth found

12 foot oyster

13 foot turtle

http://myusm.com/usm376742.html

add those creatures to the fact that lizards never EVER stop growing, and you have your dinosaurs, current lizards, only many times bigger than they are now...

bump...seirously, no comments on this?

About what? Even assuming that every piece of this is entirely as you represent it, why would it necessitate a God?

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

 

[larry_boy_44]

hyberbaric chambers, earth's pressure, & larger animals

Have you ever heard of hyperbaric chambers? Those things that you go in and they increase oxygen from about 20% to 35% and double the atmospheric pressure...

You can breathe easier when you are in them, also, they give you more energy, you can run farther, do more, etc...

A large number of professional sports teams have these to help the athletes heal quicker...

The guy who ran this seminar says that they were curing cancer using hyperbaric chambers in the 50's...

http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/natural_m...rs/201410.shtml

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...09/MN133738.DTL

It can cure Cerebral Palsy according to the Buffallo News on 9/5/2000.

They can double healing time.

All this great stuff, and more...

See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...

At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...

The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...

Then there are the air pockets in amber. When they find air pockets in amber and study it, they find that the air pockets have about 35% oxygen.

Also, at high altitudes, mountain climbers don't heal fast, which shows the opposite is true with high pressure and extra oxygen...

Now, what does this all mean? this:

before the flood there was a canopy of water above the earth that fell during the flood, a 7th layer of the atmosphere. What this layer did, is it would increase oxygen to about 35%, double the pressure, and make the whole planet tropical. This would allow animals to grow larger (see the scorpion) and explain a lot things, most notably:

dinosaurs in general

11'6" human skeleton found in Italy

12'2" human skeleton found in Wisconsin

a human finger bone found in Texas the size of a normal finger

a rodent the size of a bison

a fossil dragonfly with a 3 foot wingspan

a 13' tall hornless rhino found in siberia

a 90 foot plumb tree found NORTH of the Arctic Circle

18" roaches

2' grasshoppers

8 foot beavers

80 foot shark jaw & tooth found

12 foot oyster

13 foot turtle

http://myusm.com/usm376742.html

add those creatures to the fact that lizards never EVER stop growing, and you have your dinosaurs, current lizards, only many times bigger than they are now...

bump...seirously, no comments on this?

About what? Even assuming that every piece of this is entirely as you represent it, why would it necessitate a God?

it doesn't, but where do the giant animals come from?why are the "prehistoric" amber the ones that contain the air that has more oxygen, but that is what would be needed for the giant animals? Since when were there giant beavers, dragonflyes, deer, etc. in the dinosaur times?

how are there human prints in dinosaur prints? How are there human prints crossing dinosaur prints? stuff like that...

why would the way the Bible describes the pre-flood earth 'cause the exact right mis of oxygen/pressure to make animals grow bigger and then we find proof of animals growing bigger not prove something?

 

[beef]

I'm not a huge religious person, but evolution just doesn't make much sence to me. I don't buy for 1 second that humans were all started from some single celled organism. And if everything came from the ocean, how would a fish developing legs and losing it's fins be able to move around in the ocean for 1000's of years without being eaten and dieing off? And where are the fossils of these helpless creatures?

 

[the rover]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

Here ya go: linky.

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

there is only 1 page and it doesn't say how tectonic plates switch places, how the plate North America is on ended up moving over the plate that is in the Atlantic ocean and so forth...

 

[the rover]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

there is only 1 page and it doesn't say how tectonic plates switch places, how the plate North America is on ended up moving over the plate that is in the Atlantic ocean and so forth...

the plates do not move over each other, although they interact at plate boundaries.

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

Here ya go: linky.

again, it doesn't say how one plate moved completely around or over another plate...

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

there is only 1 page and it doesn't say how tectonic plates switch places, how the plate North America is on ended up moving over the plate that is in the Atlantic ocean and so forth...

the plates do not move over each other, although they interact at plate boundaries.

then how did continents change plates?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Larry,Did your seminar cover fossil sorting? Why is it that the fossils of "advanced" species like chimpanzees are found only in the top layers of the earth's soil; and the layers buried very deep contain only, like, mollusks and stuff -- no mammals, no reptiles?If it's because, during the flood, all the mammals swam to the top while the mollusks sank to the bottom . . . why are the fossils of flowering plants found only near the top? Did oak trees run faster than tree ferns to escape the flood?