Creation vs. Evolution (1 Viewer)

[Mr.Squidward]

Edit: #### it. I can't take this seriously anymore.

You mean... you did take this seriously at one point?

 

[the rover]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

there is only 1 page and it doesn't say how tectonic plates switch places, how the plate North America is on ended up moving over the plate that is in the Atlantic ocean and so forth...

the plates do not move over each other, although they interact at plate boundaries.

then how did continents change plates?

I have no idea what you're talking about, so can't answer your question. why don't you go find me a "creation science" link that has the concept of "continents changing plates" that you're trying to argue.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry,Did your seminar cover fossil sorting? Why is it that the fossils of "advanced" species like chimpanzees are found only in the top layers of the earth's soil; and the layers buried very deep contain only, like, mollusks and stuff -- no mammals, no reptiles?If it's because, during the flood, all the mammals swam to the top while the mollusks sank to the bottom . . . why are the fossils of flowering plants found only near the top? Did oak trees run faster than tree ferns to escape the flood?

not yet, maybe it won't... not sure...I'll let ya know if it does...tell me what you think about the hyperbolic stuff...I gotta go, session #4 tonight... I have to miss tommorow (}=o( stupid job), so I'll let ya know hat happens tonight and then on Wednesday...

 

[larry_boy_44]

About how everything started:There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?

Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

there is only 1 page and it doesn't say how tectonic plates switch places, how the plate North America is on ended up moving over the plate that is in the Atlantic ocean and so forth...

the plates do not move over each other, although they interact at plate boundaries.

then how did continents change plates?

I have no idea what you're talking about, so can't answer your question. why don't you go find me a "creation science" link that has the concept of "continents changing plates" that you're trying to argue.

How did the continent of North America get over the plates that are between it and Europe?

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

why are the "prehistoric" amber the ones that contain the air that has more oxygen, but that is what would be needed for the giant animals?

Because less carbon dioxide-prodcuing life-forms (animals) and more oxygen-producing life-forms (plants) means a higher-oxygen mixture?

Since when were there giant beavers, dragonflyes, deer, etc. in the dinosaur times?

Never. Why, you find some?

why would the way the Bible describes the pre-flood earth 'cause the exact right mis of oxygen/pressure to make animals grow bigger and then we find proof of animals growing bigger not prove something?

Assuming that we do find proof of these conditions, it does prove something - that these conditions existed. It doesn't mean the Bible is suddenly bulletproof.

 

[the rover]

About how everything started:There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth. Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?

Here.

you realize your link doesn't explain how continents drift, just how mountains are formed, etc...

No, the whole first page explains what tectonic plates are and how they move.

there is only 1 page and it doesn't say how tectonic plates switch places, how the plate North America is on ended up moving over the plate that is in the Atlantic ocean and so forth...

the plates do not move over each other, although they interact at plate boundaries.

then how did continents change plates?

I have no idea what you're talking about, so can't answer your question. why don't you go find me a "creation science" link that has the concept of "continents changing plates" that you're trying to argue.

How did the continent of North America get over the plates that are between it and Europe?

you still aren't making any sense. do you think that plate tectonics involves continents passing over each other?

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

How did the continent of North America get over the plates that are between it and Europe?

I think you're going to have to explain what you're talking about before anyone has any idea what you're saying.

 

[larry_boy_44]

why are the "prehistoric" amber the ones that contain the air that has more oxygen, but that is what would be needed for the giant animals?

Because less carbon dioxide-prodcuing life-forms (animals) and more oxygen-producing life-forms (plants) means a higher-oxygen mixture?

Since when were there giant beavers, dragonflyes, deer, etc. in the dinosaur times?

Never. Why, you find some?

why would the way the Bible describes the pre-flood earth 'cause the exact right mis of oxygen/pressure to make animals grow bigger and then we find proof of animals growing bigger not prove something?

Assuming that we do find proof of these conditions, it does prove something - that these conditions existed. It doesn't mean the Bible is suddenly bulletproof.

1. how did the plants get above ground?2. how was there more PRESSURE? I see how oxygen could be change by a different plant/animal mix, but not pressure...3. has the oxygen % changed in the last 50 years?4. There are fossils of 8 foot beavers, etc... I posted a link to some stuff about it beofre, I think... if not I will when I get home later...

 

[beef]

Larry,Did your seminar cover fossil sorting? Why is it that the fossils of "advanced" species like chimpanzees are found only in the top layers of the earth's soil; and the layers buried very deep contain only, like, mollusks and stuff -- no mammals, no reptiles?If it's because, during the flood, all the mammals swam to the top while the mollusks sank to the bottom . . . why are the fossils of flowering plants found only near the top? Did oak trees run faster than tree ferns to escape the flood?

Wouldn't the mammals sink down by the mollscks after they drawned?

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

why are the "prehistoric" amber the ones that contain the air that has more oxygen, but that is what would be needed for the giant animals?

Because less carbon dioxide-prodcuing life-forms (animals) and more oxygen-producing life-forms (plants) means a higher-oxygen mixture?

Since when were there giant beavers, dragonflyes, deer, etc. in the dinosaur times?

Never. Why, you find some?

why would the way the Bible describes the pre-flood earth 'cause the exact right mis of oxygen/pressure to make animals grow bigger and then we find proof of animals growing bigger not prove something?

Assuming that we do find proof of these conditions, it does prove something - that these conditions existed. It doesn't mean the Bible is suddenly bulletproof.

1. how did the plants get above ground?2. how was there more PRESSURE? I see how oxygen could be change by a different plant/animal mix, but not pressure...3. has the oxygen % changed in the last 50 years?4. There are fossils of 8 foot beavers, etc... I posted a link to some stuff about it beofre, I think... if not I will when I get home later...

I thought you had said you had a reason for there being more pressure that didn't necessitate a divine being? Didn't we have a discussion about that? If you're saying there's no actual proof of that (and that's been my understanding, but you seemed so sure) then there's no problem.

 

[beef]

Instead of spending millions/billions on exploring outerspace and planets, we should spend that money on exploring the ocean's bottom. There could be a lot more to learn from that than Saturn's rings.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

And if everything came from the ocean, how would a fish developing legs and losing it's fins be able to move around in the ocean for 1000's of years without being eaten and dieing off?

There was just a show about this on the Discovery channel about a week ago. Some fish began using their fins to push off the ground along the sea's bottom. You get more leverage when you push off a rock than when you push off the water, and this is helpful in some situations, I guess. As the limbs became stronger and more leg-like, these creatures specialized more in crawling and less in swimming. (Lobsters do this today; it's a fine way to make a living.) Ultimately, the best crawlers could even travel short distances on land, which provided them an advantage in being able to go from one shallow pool to another in search of food.For pictures of some of the intermediate steps between swimmers and crawlers, go here.

 

[Redwes25]

About how everything started:

There was a single celled organism that started deep in the ocean when the entire earth was covered with water (pre-super continent days) and it evolved over time to become every living thing on earth.  Evolution explains the latter.

how is a supercontinent possible if all the continents are connected under water??? How did they move? The continents don't fload on top of water...

The same way they do now, causing earthquakes.

really? So, the ground in between the continents under water... what happened to it? How'd they move over the trenches in the ocean? How did they reconnect to the other rocks?

Are you seriously asking me to explain the idea of tectonic plate shifts?Here.

You have to understand that this link is not from creationists.org so he won't take the time to read it or believe it.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...

A Google search turned up nothing about this. Do you have a link?

 

[Generic alias]

They know it in Connecticut (IQ 113,) but not in -- what state did you say you're from, Larry?

http://www.commonalty.com/iq.txt

 

[the rover]

See, they put a scorpion in a hyperbaric chamber, and it grew to 4 times its normal size in the chamber...At the University of Tokyo in 1985 they were growing a cherry tomato "tree" using hyperbaric technology...The plant grew to 6' feet tall in 1985 and was giving off 900 tomatoes per year. Before it died it was almost 30 feet tall...

A Google search turned up nothing about this. Do you have a link?

I am guessing this is from the brain trust at genesispark.org.here's some of their stuff on hyperbaric chambers.link

 

[beef]

And if everything came from the ocean, how would a fish developing legs and losing it's fins be able to move around in the ocean for 1000's of years without being eaten and dieing off?

There was just a show about this on the Discovery channel about a week ago. Some fish began using their fins to push off the ground along the sea's bottom. You get more leverage when you push off a rock than when you push off the water, and this is helpful in some situations, I guess. As the limbs became stronger and more leg-like, these creatures specialized more in crawling and less in swimming. (Lobsters do this today; it's a fine way to make a living.) Ultimately, the best crawlers could even travel short distances on land, which provided them an advantage in being able to go from one shallow pool to another in search of food.For pictures of some of the intermediate steps between swimmers and crawlers, go here.

Thanks. Good stuff.

 

[babydemon90]

I must have missed it, did he ever explain what the heck dinosaurs have to do with creation or evolution??How old is he claiming the earth is? Hopefully he's not going to tell me 6000 years or so. The proof the earth is far older then that is pretty overwhelming, and it's a shame when Christians/creationists try to stick to the outdated theory the earth was so young.

 

[shining path]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

You could also cram a lot of them down your pants. Or so I've heard at least.larry, all this creation stuff is completely bogus, but you're a gamer if nothing else.

 

[the rover]

I must have missed it, did he ever explain what the heck dinosaurs have to do with creation or evolution??How old is he claiming the earth is? Hopefully he's not going to tell me 6000 years or so. The proof the earth is far older then that is pretty overwhelming, and it's a shame when Christians/creationists try to stick to the outdated theory the earth was so young.

BabyD, he checks in with his creationist stuff every once in a while. In short, he's a young earth creationist with little understanding of evolution or scientific method. Occasionally, he gathers a bunch of creationist arguments together and then posts them in a big regurgitation of senseless, formless, argument, where any half-understood argument (or more often just a couple buzzwords) may be applied in an attempt to refute scentific observation or the effect of physical laws.As arguments fall apart, it apparently becomes vitally important that lizards are kind of like dinosaurs, only smaller.Oh, and new today--plate tectonics cannot be accurate because it would cause continents to unroot themselves and climb over each other. I'm still waiting for an explanation of that one.

 

[babydemon90]

larry, all this creation stuff is completely bogus, but you're a gamer if nothing else.

I wouldn't go that far. You'd pretty much have to be an athiest to say that.However, seeing as how I was not there at Creation, I really can't say how long ago it, and to what extent. I DO think claiming the earth is 4000-6000 years old is ridiculous...I don't the writers of the Bible intended their geneologies to be used as an addition guide to the beginning of creation. I just don't see that.Let's try this question to larry boy:What was the first thing created?

 

[IanTucker]

Larry let's concentrate, for a moment, on collection problems. A simple experiment might be enlightening.Start out in the Middle East. Travel to what is now California. Climb the mountains and capture one male and one female condor. Bring them back. Do you think you could do it? You have one week (we're ignoring the other millions of species for simplicity). Oh, and by the way, there is no sexual dimorphism in condors (you can't tell their gender by looking at them). Another possible problem is they tend not to sit and wait for capture but instead fly away.

 

[shining path]

Let's try this question to larry boy:What was the first thing created?

Abe Vagoda

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

larry, all this creation stuff is completely bogus, but you're a gamer if nothing else.

I wouldn't go that far. You'd pretty much have to be an athiest to say that.

You definitely do not have to be an atheist to think that Young Earth Creationism is absolutely, 100% bogus.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

ok, I'm done for now... I have like 1 more page of notes or so... something like that... lol I think I have parts of other pages left, too...

Larry, you need to learn how to do a search first. There have been tons of threads on this topic, and you are risking sarcastic remarks, if you don't at least look at them. I have seen many arguments you have already made within the last week in other threads. Your claim that you are presenting new material is based in the idea that if you didn't start the discussion, it must not have been said.

 

[LHUCKS]

ROTFLMAO @ those rebuking evolution...even the Catholic church has accepted it and they're usually the last to accept anything that poses a threat to organized religion "teachings."

 

[babydemon90]

larry, all this creation stuff is completely bogus, but you're a gamer if nothing else.

I wouldn't go that far. You'd pretty much have to be an athiest to say that.

You definitely do not have to be an atheist to think that Young Earth Creationism is absolutely, 100% bogus.

I agree. Thats not what I said though I said to think ALL of creationism is bogus, you'd pretty much have to be an athiest.Within creationism, there's all sorts of other explanations ... gap theory, old-earth theory, theistic evolution, etc.. I'm not sure what magical chambers that make lobsters swell up has to do with creation vs evolution.For me, I think it needs to begin with do you, or do you not believe in God. I have yet to meet someone who believed in full-scale evolution, and did not believe in God, that was convinced he was wrong because of "hyperbaric chambers"

 

[ElGatoLoco]

Aren't beetles, like, really small? Seems like you could cram a lot of them on an ark.

You could also cram a lot of them down your pants. Or so I've heard at least.larry, all this creation stuff is completely bogus, but you're a gamer if nothing else.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Really...the down the pants comment made me tear up I laughed so hard.

 

[Kleck]

As the resident thread nazi I feel that I should lock this thread. However, I don't want to ruin the best laugh I've had today. Its like a cross between a train wreck and good Three Stooges movie.

 

[top dog]

As the resident thread nazi I feel that I should lock this thread. However, I don't want to ruin the best laugh I've had today. Its like a cross between a train wreck and good Three Stooges movie.

No way Shick! How often do you see so many FFA regulars agreeing so much in one thread??? Larry makes everyone forget all that Bush V. Kerry stuff for a while!

 

[Kleck]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.

or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!Alias Alert.

 

[RTB1]

don't dismiss stuff offhand, open your mind, actually engage stuff...

The fact that this quote comes from Larry makes it perhaps the funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

 

[NCCommish]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.

or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!Alias Alert.

Hint?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.

or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!Alias Alert.

ON SCREEN..

 

[Kleck]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.

or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!Alias Alert.

Hint?

_ _ '_     _ _ _ _ _

Please guess a letter. TIA.

 

[NCCommish]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.

or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!Alias Alert.

Hint?

_ _ '_     _ _ _ _ _

Please guess a letter. TIA.

s?

 

[bueno]

As the resident thread nazi I feel that I should lock this thread. However, I don't want to ruin the best laugh I've had today. Its like a cross between a train wreck and good Three Stooges movie.

Don't be a Nazi Dave. This is a fun thread.

 

[Kleck]

seems to me that aethiests aren't smart enough to figure out that ignorance is bliss.

or just such bad gamblors that they don't know when to hedge

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!Alias Alert.

Hint?

_ _ '_     _ _ _ _ _

Please guess a letter. TIA.

s?

_ _ 's     _ _ _ _ s

One letter per person. Next?

 

[bueno]

Give me an A

 

[Kleck]

As the resident thread nazi I feel that I should lock this thread. However, I don't want to ruin the best laugh I've had today. Its like a cross between a train wreck and good Three Stooges movie.

Don't be a Nazi Dave. This is a fun thread.

It pains my heart to the the faith based person dive into science looking for justification of their faith. It has zero chance of gaining any respect. It usually looks like a sad attempt by the zealot to convince themselves they have a solid basis for their beliefs. When they delve into authentic scientific method, they are bound to be disappointed with the results. Trying to convince the scientific community that they are finding proof of their beliefs is just a bad course of action.Bottom line: You believe or you don't. If you believe, that's it. No proof necessary. End of discussion. God can do anything in any manner. You want to put 10 billion species in that 300 cubit arc? Not a problem. As BigBottom mentioned, God can play the miracle card at any moment. There's no proof necessary.

 

[Kleck]

Give me an A

:Buzzer:Next?

 

[bueno]

As the resident thread nazi I feel that I should lock this thread. However, I don't want to ruin the best laugh I've had today. Its like a cross between a train wreck and good Three Stooges movie.

Don't be a Nazi Dave. This is a fun thread.

It pains my heart to the the faith based person dive into science looking for justification of their faith. It has zero chance of gaining any respect. It usually looks like a sad attempt by the zealot to convince themselves they have a solid basis for their beliefs. When they delve into authentic scientific method, they are bound to be disappointed with the results. Trying to convince the scientific community that they are finding proof of their beliefs is just a bad course of action.Bottom line: You believe or you don't. If you believe, that's it. No proof necessary. End of discussion. God can do anything in any manner. You want to put 10 billion species in that 300 cubit arc? Not a problem. As BigBottom mentioned, God can play the miracle card at any moment. There's no proof necessary.

The sad fact is there can be faith and science both - but too many people of faith don't believe in metaphors.

 

[Redwes25]

I love this game. I will take a T

 

[ratpfink]

Give me an A

:Buzzer:Next?

Dt's MulesThe apostrophe really helped narrow it down.

 

[tangfoot]

how can something not have existed?

I'm only on page two, and can't say how many have replied to this post...But this is seriously the funniest thing I've EVER heard Larry say.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Everyone here quick to make witty remarks at larry_boy's expense and talk about him regurgitating stuff he has heard. Just curious, isn't that what you clowns do, or have you all spent significant research time....wouldn't want to just regurgitate what you've gleaned from the boards or google, would you?Anyway, Creation and Evolution are not mutually exclusive IMHO. I am just waiting for the irrefutable evidence you seem to lean on concerning origin of life. Actually mayber origin of energy or matter first, then get to the life from nonlife part and I DO believe evolution from there.

 

[Jericho]

Is this worth reading? The whole thread? For entertainment value? I did the first two pages and was seriously wetting myself. Does it continue?

 

[NCCommish]

Is this worth reading? The whole thread? For entertainment value? I did the first two pages and was seriously wetting myself. Does it continue?

Pretty much.

 

[Hosstetler]

Can I guess the Alias?

Answer is Here: DT'S MULES

Edit to add: Crap Ratpfink beat me to it

 

[full grown man]

Everyone here quick to make witty remarks at larry_boy's expense and talk about him regurgitating stuff he has heard. Just curious, isn't that what you clowns do, or have you all spent significant research time....wouldn't want to just regurgitate what you've gleaned from the boards or google, would you?Anyway, Creation and Evolution are not mutually exclusive IMHO. I am just waiting for the irrefutable evidence you seem to lean on concerning origin of life. Actually mayber origin of energy or matter first, then get to the life from nonlife part and I DO believe evolution from there.

Well said. There is enough to debate without faulting an honest participant or chastising him for his sources.Hang in there Larry.