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MelvinTScupper
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"If we evolved from monkeys and apes, then why do we still have monkeys and apes?"Carlin?
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Creepier Belief system (1 Viewer)
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pantagrapher
Footballguy
It was Melvin I was correcting.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I voted Creationism. Both are creepy, but creationists have far more power in the world than Scientologists. The fact that the most powerful person in the world is a Creationist is about the creepiest thing I can think of.
Statorama
Footballguy
I forget what religion Patrick Ewing is, but we should never forget his greatness.
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General Malaise
Footballguy
at least he consults with The Pope on really important matters.
I've come across Muslim creationists before.I think the term 'creationist' generally describes any person who believes that the universe was poofed into existence by an intelligent will, pretty much in its current form, with humans and whatnot appearing as a direct result of the poofing.
That is, they do not believe in the common ancestry of toads and butterflies.
shining path
:prettyplease:
I think most fundamentalist xtians/jews/muslims are new-earth creationist.
shining path
:prettyplease:
Humans didn't evolve from chimps, they evolved from a chimp-like ancestor.The current understanding is that the human ancestor diverged from the chimp ancestor after a common ancestor of both diverged from the gorilla ancestor (evolutionarily speaking chimps are closer to us than they are to gorillas). The common ancestor to all three diverged from the common ancestor of the orangutan before that. Since chimps, and gorillas (and orangs) both apes, then it makes sense that the common ancestor to chimps and humans would be an ape.
It's semantics, but if you saw it today you'd call probably call it an ape (unless you were a creationist, in which case you'd probably call it a "hallucination", "special effect" or "Why is God testing my faith like this?"
Regular Crust Pizza
Footballguy
You got to be kidding me. This isn't even close. I've never heard of anyone being stalk, threatened, or life being ruined just because they decided to quit believing in Creationism. I can't say the same thing about Scientology.
shining path
:prettyplease:
Yeah, that's true. The Discovery Institute is the Creationist version of the Borg.Rat - do you know of any policy or other ties between the DI and the Bush administration?
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
To Whom It May Concern:
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/faq04.shtml
4. I have a lust problem.
The Bible says to "guard your heart with all diligence . . . " That means the area of your thought life. If we have a problem with lust, we should be quick to remember that we share that thought with God. That's scary. He is perfect, pure, holy . . . and just. If He considers lust to be adultery of the heart, we are in BIG trouble. That knowledge should send us back to the Cross, where we should confess and forsake our sins.
We all have similar battles with unclean thoughts. Be careful what you look at, and what you think about. If you begin to lose the battle in your mind, go somewhere and pray. Confess your sins the moment you become aware of them, and don't let the enemy get a double victory by not sharing your faith or by allowing sin to keep you out of fellowship. Make sure you read the Word every day without fail. That old saying is true: "This Book will keep me from sin (and Hell), and sin will keep me from this Book." Also, be very careful of idolatry. It is easy to change our concept of God so that He conforms to our sins (a god who doesn't mind lust).
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/faq04.shtml
4. I have a lust problem.
The Bible says to "guard your heart with all diligence . . . " That means the area of your thought life. If we have a problem with lust, we should be quick to remember that we share that thought with God. That's scary. He is perfect, pure, holy . . . and just. If He considers lust to be adultery of the heart, we are in BIG trouble. That knowledge should send us back to the Cross, where we should confess and forsake our sins.
We all have similar battles with unclean thoughts. Be careful what you look at, and what you think about. If you begin to lose the battle in your mind, go somewhere and pray. Confess your sins the moment you become aware of them, and don't let the enemy get a double victory by not sharing your faith or by allowing sin to keep you out of fellowship. Make sure you read the Word every day without fail. That old saying is true: "This Book will keep me from sin (and Hell), and sin will keep me from this Book." Also, be very careful of idolatry. It is easy to change our concept of God so that He conforms to our sins (a god who doesn't mind lust).
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
actually, no... most Creationsists believe that dinosaurs are simply lizards who didn't die for longer periods of time...See, before the flood, things lived longer...lizards NEVER stop growing...If lizards live many TIMES longer, it is reasonable to assume they never stop growing hten either... so they can be MANY times larger....Also, if you look at many modern lizards, they look like mini versions of dinosaurs...Most creationists believe that dinosaurs are modern lizards who lived longer...Also, if Dinosaurs died 100 million years ago...what were dragons?Seriously... How did a dinosaur live 100 million years without dying?If you believe in creation... They just didn't die for a while... they were lizards who lived unusually long and became larger...that's why they find things like giant sea serpants...that's why they describe 2 dinosaur like creatures in Job (1 is a brontosaurus type thing, one is a FLYING FIRE BREATHING SERPANT-type thingie...)... Alos that's why in midieval times they saw things that resembled/were dinosaurs...There is no such thing as a human myth/fable/story that is not based on something that actually happened... everything is based on some truth... we aren't that creative to just make something up out of nohting...Dinosaurs were old lizards who, like ALL lizards, didn't stop growing...
RoninGaidin
Footballguy
You want something freaky from that same site? Check out the definition of breaking the 6th :6. "You shall not murder."
Jesus warned "Whoever is angry with his brother without cause, is in danger of judgment," (Matthew 5:22) and the Bible says, "He who hates his brother is a murderer," (1 John 3:15). God sees hatred in the heart to be as wicked as murder. We can violate His Law by attitude and intent.
Too many of these kinds of laws consider thought = intent = you did it.
By that logic, since I am damned anyway, I might as well commit any action that enters my mind, right?
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
God's a Creationist. Interesting how fast this turned from Creationist vs. Scientologist to Creationist vs. Evolutionist. Or should I say creepy?Seriously - coming from Clearwater, Florida (the 2nd most holy city in Scientology) I find scientologists FAR more creepy than my fellow creepy Christians.
I took the quiz for non-Christians to see how many of the Commandments I've broken. According to their definitions, I took the collar.You want something freaky from that same site? Check out the definition of breaking the 6th :6. "You shall not murder."
Jesus warned "Whoever is angry with his brother without cause, is in danger of judgment," (Matthew 5:22) and the Bible says, "He who hates his brother is a murderer," (1 John 3:15). God sees hatred in the heart to be as wicked as murder. We can violate His Law by attitude and intent.
Too many of these kinds of laws consider thought = intent = you did it.
By that logic, since I am damned anyway, I might as well commit any action that enters my mind, right?
Guess where I'm headed: 
Dickies
Footballguy
dont worry, god is the most forgiving being imaginable.Feel free to piss on the Bible, and as I understand it, you will have a seat in heaven.I took the quiz for non-Christians to see how many of the Commandments I've broken. According to their definitions, I took the collar.You want something freaky from that same site? Check out the definition of breaking the 6th :6. "You shall not murder."
Jesus warned "Whoever is angry with his brother without cause, is in danger of judgment," (Matthew 5:22) and the Bible says, "He who hates his brother is a murderer," (1 John 3:15). God sees hatred in the heart to be as wicked as murder. We can violate His Law by attitude and intent.
Too many of these kinds of laws consider thought = intent = you did it.
By that logic, since I am damned anyway, I might as well commit any action that enters my mind, right?
C
CrossEyed
Guest
The point isn't to show you that you are hopeless, the point is to show that no person can possibly be good enough on their own. I'm not going to heaven because I'm better than anyone, I'm going because I accepted the free gift that Jesus offers to everyone.Too many of these kinds of laws consider thought = intent = you did it.By that logic, since I am damned anyway, I might as well commit any action that enters my mind, right?
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Wrong. Temptation is not sin. Acting upon that temptation is sin (assuming the temptation involved an action that would be contrary to what is acceptable by God). We are supposed to give all of our thoughts to God...and he certainly will not burden us with more than we can bear. However, no one ever said that living by faith would be easy.BTW, what would make you want to piss on a bible? That seems pretty juvenile and petty. The beauty of it is, that if you were to do that God would already know that you did it before you did it. he didn't make you do it, nor would he ever tempt anyone. That would be your own choice their. Have at it, if that is your thing.dont worry, god is the most forgiving being imaginable.Feel free to piss on the Bible, and as I understand it, you will have a seat in heaven.I took the quiz for non-Christians to see how many of the Commandments I've broken. According to their definitions, I took the collar.You want something freaky from that same site? Check out the definition of breaking the 6th :6. "You shall not murder."
Jesus warned "Whoever is angry with his brother without cause, is in danger of judgment," (Matthew 5:22) and the Bible says, "He who hates his brother is a murderer," (1 John 3:15). God sees hatred in the heart to be as wicked as murder. We can violate His Law by attitude and intent.
Too many of these kinds of laws consider thought = intent = you did it.
By that logic, since I am damned anyway, I might as well commit any action that enters my mind, right?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
It's not a free gift if you have to do stuff to get it.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
WTF? He made me pay 50 bucks for it!The point isn't to show you that you are hopeless, the point is to show that no person can possibly be good enough on their own. I'm not going to heaven because I'm better than anyone, I'm going because I accepted the free gift that Jesus offers to everyone.Too many of these kinds of laws consider thought = intent = you did it.
By that logic, since I am damned anyway, I might as well commit any action that enters my mind, right?
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CrossEyed
Guest
You don't have to do anything but accept it.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Accepting it involves sacrifice. It's not like accepting a free toaster.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
did you read my whole post?"There is no such thing as a human myth/fable/story that is not based on something that actually happened... "remember that part?The key to that is this
eople have to actually see what they make fables/stories/myths about...Who saw a giant lizard?seriously...What was the giant sea SERPANT that they found in the ocean around Japan 20 years ago?Why do lizards not stop growing?why do we assume dinosaurs were around so long ago when they weren't named "dinosaurs" until 100 years ago?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
oh yeah, I'm not saying I believe that necessarily...I have no idea what happened to dinosaurs, etc...But I find it interesting that people say them until like 1000 years ago...I find it interesting that Job EXACTLY describes a certain dinosaur (forget which one) in chapter 40 (maybe 39... }=OP )...if they died 100 million years ago, how exactly did that happen?Why do some modern lizards look just like some dinosaurs did, only smaller?Someone simply changed the name from "dragon" to "dinosaur" in the 1800s and turned dragons into mythical fire-breathing things... they aren't that, they're just big lizards...oh yeah... and fire-breathing is possible in animals... }=O) There is this beetle that shoots fire out of itself if its attacked... just FYI...
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
I'm with you. I was late to work this morning when a giant lizard decided to walk across the road. He stopped for a few minutes to eat this rich dude in a porsche convertible. That lizard had to have been a few hundred years old.did you read my whole post?"There is no such thing as a human myth/fable/story that is not based on something that actually happened... "remember that part?The key to that is this
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CrossEyed
Guest
Every choice you make in life involves sacrifice. For every thing that you choose, there is something that you give up.What sacrifices involved in following Christ do you feel are too great?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
slow up some...lets accept these assumptions for a second:1. Creation happened, so did the Flood...2. Before the flood, things lived to a max life span of, say, 30 times our own in modern times...3. things that were left after the flood still aged VERY slowly (Noah lived like 400 years, etc.)... so the first few generations of lizards could grow big still (and, concievably, live VERY long lives)...<real science fact> Lizards never stop growing, if they live 3 times longer, they grow like 3 times bigger...4. these lizards that lived for an extra 10 x the years, grew like 10 x bigger... therefore you have GIANT lizards still for a while after the flood...why is that so ludicrous?If this isn't what happened, where did the dragon theories come from? Every other human myth has a basis in reality, except dragons...where did they get teh giant lizards from? There is no way ancient man knew enough about lizards to know they never stopped growing, so how'd they come up, in thier heads, with giant lizards?I find it funny, however, that your response is sarcastic and trying to laugh of what I said instead of actually thinking about it...
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
But dinosaurs were not only bigger, but they look different than modern day lizards. The must've evolved.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I'm not too keen on making any sacrifices to follow Jesus. But that's not the point. My point was that your description of salvation as a "free gift" was inaccurate. It's more of a "limited time offer." You may think it's a great deal, but it isn't free.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Nobody questions evolution within a species.But dinosaurs were not only bigger, but they look different than modern day lizards. The must've evolved.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
OK folks. We've hit rock bottom.
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CrossEyed
Guest
It's free in the sense that you don't have to do anything to earn or deserve it. I suppose you could argue that nothing is free due to opportunity costs. But when you step back and look at the big picture, the opportunity cost for not accepting Christ is FAR greater than the opportunity cost for accepting Him.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
This is ridiculous.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
are you sure about that?I mean, I have a few thoughts about that:1. we have NEVER seen a dinosaurs skin color, you can't tell that from bones...2. we have seen how crappy a lot of paleontoligists, etc. are about finding things... "hey, look, a pig toe... I think I'll construct a pre-historic man from it!!!" seriously, what kind of CRAP is that? How do we not hold that whole filed at fault for crap like that?compare iguanas to iguanadons... (seriously)... imagine a little bigger and SLIGHTLY longer legs... }=O)compare anklyosaurus' to bearded dragons... compare chlamedosaurus to frilled dragons... (the spitters from JP, by the way...)compare a basilisk to a parasourolophus or a sailfin... (note the crest on the back of thier heads)how did turtles live through 100 million years of time if they were alive during dinosaur times??But dinosaurs were not only bigger, but they look different than modern day lizards. The must've evolved.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
that too }=O)
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
really?which one do you think has NO basis AT ALL with something that is real?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
ok, so how did everything get here? it cannot just be because matter can NEVER be created nor destroyed, so EVENTUALLY there has to be a creator...How did life start? It can't start itself, it is IMPOSSIBLE (alright, maybe no "impossible", but so unlikely its laughable) for life to start by itself...There has to be an outside, eternal "force" that CHOSE to create things... otherwise the world and everything in it would not be able to be here...
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
That's not what "free" means. If The Gap has a sale where they sell T-shirts for $5, and they make enough T-shirts so that every person on earth could buy one if they choose, are you telling me the T-shirts are free? Just because an opportunity is available to the public at large doesn't mean it's free.
That's what you think. Maybe I value sodomy more than salvation.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
Minotaurs, Chimeras, Hydras, Mermaids, Centaur, Sphinx, Unicorns, etc.Somehow dragons are different?
