Cruz over Nicks? Why? (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

 

[C-Bound]

On pace for 256 catches this season.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

On pace for 256 catches this season.

lol and 64 drops! could be a record breaking year

 

[One More Rep]

I say the first one was behind him. The second one was a definite drop

 

[cvnpoka]

both were bad drops wateva

 

[Futz]

Hard to take away much from this game besides saying the Dallas secondary seemed improved. Neither player had a lot of room to work. Hixon figured into the mix much more than I would have expected.

 

[Dragon1952]

I say the first one was behind him. The second one was a definite drop

Actually he dropped 3 and they all should have been caught.

 

[netnalp]

@PFF: Victor Cruz leads the NFL with 26 targets over 2 games. That's on pace for 208 targets this year. Roddy White led 2011 with 175

 

[Reepicheep]

Heh, what are the odds that they would have identical yards and TDs after 2 weeks. Awesome.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Again, that is why Cruz over Nicks all day.

Hakeem Nicks is listed as doubtful for Week 4 versus the Eagles after he developed swelling in his knee this week.Ramses Barden's fantasy value lives on for another week. Nicks is still experiencing pain in his surgical repaired foot, but it appears to be the unexpected knee swelling that is preventing him from playing this week. The Giants aren't tipping their hand on Nicks' replacement. Both Barden and Hixon will play in three-wide sets, with Victor Cruz in the slot. We like Barden over Hixon after the former's breakout game in Week 3. Neither player is a strong WR3 against a stingy Eagles defense.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Is it clear why now?

 

[HurryUpSundays]

There's no f*cking way I'm taking Victor Cruz over Hakeem Nicks - what are you guys smoking? #2 WRs have been getting falsely pimped by fantasy sites for years. The exception this year is Jordy - he was a top pick and a phenomenal talent. There's a reason Cruz was undrafted. It doesn't elite talent to play opposite Nicks.

Nicks is a 2nd round talent going in the 4th right now. Cruz is a 5th/6th going in the 3rd. Which is on every one of my teams this year? Nicks.

Just wondering if you would like me to pass you this Cruz joint I'm puffin' on?!

 

[ImTheScientist]

What it comes down to for me is that I think Nicks will maintain his performance, but I don't think Cruz will.

Switch Cruz w/ Nicks in your statement and you would be 100% correct. There isn't a WR in fantasy football I would rather own than Cruz. Cruz is money.

 

[just_want_2_win]

Nicks this season:

<pre>Week Opp Result Target Rec Yard Avg TD Att Yard Avg TD FFPts1 DAL L 17-24 6 4 38 9.5 0 0 0 - 0 3.82 TB W 41-34 15 10 199 19.9 1 0 0 - 0 25.96 at SF W 26-3 5 3 44 14.7 0 0 0 - 0 0 4.47 WAS W 27-23 10 5 53 10.6 0 0 0 - 0 5.38 at DAL W 29-24 7 4 46 11.5 0 0 0 - 0 4.6</pre>
Obviously Cruz was the guy to grab 1st in this dynamic duo this year. Because of his injuries Nicks has been pedestrian outside of game 2.

However, Nicks is practicing fully and every item I read recently he's been saying he's feeling better each game. I think Nicks is a good buy low -- could make some noise later and he's barely on the radar right now.

Upcoming schedule is PIT, @CIN, BYE, GB, @WAS, NO, @ATL, @BAL. Those post-bye games look pretty appetizing, especially the first three after the bye.

 

[Futz]

So as the OP and owner of both Cruz in one league and Nicks in the other, I fully get Cruz over Nicks now. I had never owned Nicks before and it always seemed I'd get rocked by him every time I played against him. Cruz is basically matchup proof and stays on the field. Nicks might be the prototypical super talent at the WR position you'd look for but he's never playing 100% healthy it seems.

 

[solorca]

I didn't really target either guy heavily this offseason, but I do own Cruz in a dynasty league and Nicks in one redraft. Cruz has obviously been the better performer so far, and probably will be for the remainder of the season.

With that said, Nicks looks like he's back to me. Sunday's game was a little odd because the Giants pulled out to a big lead early and went into a shell. After Dallas made the comeback, they never did go back to the passing game too heavily.

Nicks was running crisp routes and getting separation against tough competition. I think this week will be the start of Nicks returning to his old self. Even though the improvement didn't show up on the stat sheet, the actual play on the field was a HUGE difference from a week or two ago.

 

[ImTheScientist]

So as the OP and owner of both Cruz in one league and Nicks in the other, I fully get Cruz over Nicks now. I had never owned Nicks before and it always seemed I'd get rocked by him every time I played against him. Cruz is basically matchup proof and stays on the field. Nicks might be the prototypical super talent at the WR position you'd look for but he's never playing 100% healthy it seems.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I didn't really target either guy heavily this offseason, but I do own Cruz in a dynasty league and Nicks in one redraft. Cruz has obviously been the better performer so far, and probably will be for the remainder of the season.

With that said, Nicks looks like he's back to me. Sunday's game was a little odd because the Giants pulled out to a big lead early and went into a shell. After Dallas made the comeback, they never did go back to the passing game too heavily.

Nicks was running crisp routes and getting separation against tough competition. I think this week will be the start of Nicks returning to his old self. Even though the improvement didn't show up on the stat sheet, the actual play on the field was a HUGE difference from a week or two ago.

I'm tired of hearing this. He's been healthy for a couple of weeks now and has done nothing. His old self was when he produced even when he was hurt. Now, Cruz is the main man.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm tired of hearing this. He's been healthy for a couple of weeks now and has done nothing. His old self was when he produced even when he was hurt. Now, Cruz is the main man.

Health is relative. Everyone that lines up on the outside produces for the G-men. And Nicks is not "everyone" and will get his very soon. Dallas has 2 of the best corners in the NFL and Cruz didn't exactly light it up, either. The Dallas corners kept them both quiet week 1, too. Cruz is the better bet, but Nicks will produce.

 

[solorca]

I didn't really target either guy heavily this offseason, but I do own Cruz in a dynasty league and Nicks in one redraft. Cruz has obviously been the better performer so far, and probably will be for the remainder of the season.

With that said, Nicks looks like he's back to me. Sunday's game was a little odd because the Giants pulled out to a big lead early and went into a shell. After Dallas made the comeback, they never did go back to the passing game too heavily.

Nicks was running crisp routes and getting separation against tough competition. I think this week will be the start of Nicks returning to his old self. Even though the improvement didn't show up on the stat sheet, the actual play on the field was a HUGE difference from a week or two ago.

I'm tired of hearing this. He's been healthy for a couple of weeks now and has done nothing. His old self was when he produced even when he was hurt. Now, Cruz is the main man.

Don't know who you've been listening to, but everyone who covers the team has said that he was missing a step in previous weeks, and struggling to gain any separation. This week against Dallas, he looked like the Hakeem Nicks we're used to. Unfortunately, the game situation didn't give him a chance to produce high level numbers. Cruz actually finished with about half of what Nicks did for the same reason.I make it a point to watch the All-22 coaching film of players on my team who are struggling with fantasy numbers, to see if it's them or something external. With Nicks, he was clearly not himself on the field until this past Sunday.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I'm tired of hearing this. He's been healthy for a couple of weeks now and has done nothing. His old self was when he produced even when he was hurt. Now, Cruz is the main man.

Health is relative. Everyone that lines up on the outside produces for the G-men. And Nicks is not "everyone" and will get his very soon. Dallas has 2 of the best corners in the NFL and Cruz didn't exactly light it up, either. The Dallas corners kept them both quiet week 1, too. Cruz is the better bet, but Nicks will produce.

I sure hope so. It's getting later and later in the season and it's hard to keep starting guys who are doing nothing. I love the Giants, and never had a bad word to say about Nicks, but it's getting frustrating seeing him as the #2 option.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I didn't really target either guy heavily this offseason, but I do own Cruz in a dynasty league and Nicks in one redraft. Cruz has obviously been the better performer so far, and probably will be for the remainder of the season.

With that said, Nicks looks like he's back to me. Sunday's game was a little odd because the Giants pulled out to a big lead early and went into a shell. After Dallas made the comeback, they never did go back to the passing game too heavily.

Nicks was running crisp routes and getting separation against tough competition. I think this week will be the start of Nicks returning to his old self. Even though the improvement didn't show up on the stat sheet, the actual play on the field was a HUGE difference from a week or two ago.

I'm tired of hearing this. He's been healthy for a couple of weeks now and has done nothing. His old self was when he produced even when he was hurt. Now, Cruz is the main man.

Don't know who you've been listening to, but everyone who covers the team has said that he was missing a step in previous weeks, and struggling to gain any separation. This week against Dallas, he looked like the Hakeem Nicks we're used to. Unfortunately, the game situation didn't give him a chance to produce high level numbers. Cruz actually finished with about half of what Nicks did for the same reason.I make it a point to watch the All-22 coaching film of players on my team who are struggling with fantasy numbers, to see if it's them or something external. With Nicks, he was clearly not himself on the field until this past Sunday.

He's been missing a step for years, and it never effected his production before.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Now is the perfect opportunity to buy low on Nicks. Some people may read to much into a game where Eli threw for no TDs, his lowest completion and total yards on the season. They'll probably also forget DAL is allowing the 3rd fewest points to WRs on the season. A healthy Nicks is a WR1 with out any doubt in my mind. Also, aside from PIT/ATL, his ROS is very soft.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Nicks should be good down the stretch if he can stay healthy, but Cruz is the more reliable option, and the chemistry between Eli and Cruz is now off the charts.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Now is the perfect opportunity to buy low on Nicks. Some people may read to much into a game where Eli threw for no TDs, his lowest completion and total yards on the season. They'll probably also forget DAL is allowing the 3rd fewest points to WRs on the season. A healthy Nicks is a WR1 with out any doubt in my mind. Also, aside from PIT/ATL, his ROS is very soft.

Everyone says "now's the time to buy low" on players, but what kind of leagues do you guys play in where owners are stupid enough to give up premium players for cheap because they are having a bad year? Maybe in redraft, I only play dynasty, but as frustrating as it is to have a guy of Nicks' talent doing nothing, I would never give him away for anything less than I would have last year. Benching him is as far as I'll go, and even then, I'm going to have to really think about it. I'm a frustrated owner, but I would never trade low.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Now is the perfect opportunity to buy low on Nicks. Some people may read to much into a game where Eli threw for no TDs, his lowest completion and total yards on the season. They'll probably also forget DAL is allowing the 3rd fewest points to WRs on the season. A healthy Nicks is a WR1 with out any doubt in my mind. Also, aside from PIT/ATL, his ROS is very soft.

Everyone says "now's the time to buy low" on players, but what kind of leagues do you guys play in where owners are stupid enough to give up premium players for cheap because they are having a bad year? Maybe in redraft, I only play dynasty, but as frustrating as it is to have a guy of Nicks' talent doing nothing, I would never give him away for anything less than I would have last year. Benching him is as far as I'll go, and even then, I'm going to have to really think about it. I'm a frustrated owner, but I would never trade low.

Clearly, I was referring to redraft. When someone says to buy-low, 99% of the time they are referring to redraft for the exact reasons you mentioned.

 

[Concept Coop]

Clearly, I was referring to redraft. When someone says to buy-low, 99% of the time they are referring to redraft for the exact reasons you mentioned.

I say he's a buy in dynasty as well.Regardless of what anyone says (even if they themselves practice it) it is easier to get players after a bad stretch. He is cheaper than he was last year, in general.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nicks should be good down the stretch if he can stay healthy, but Cruz is the more reliable option, and the chemistry between Eli and Cruz is now off the charts.

This is what's bothering me.Last year I actually traded (over-traded, yes) Cruz to get Nicks... and I won my Championship because of their numbers in certain given weeks and the way it came out I would not have won out with Cruz.This year though with Nicks out so long and being limited thereafter just watching the games it feels like a whole other dynamic. Cruz is first, Nicks second and heck even Randle and Hixon are getting in there, and that's more like it used to be before last year with the Giants. Last year there was a real rash of injuries among the Giants WRs and it really seemed like it was Nicks and Cruz and occasionally if healthy a little something from Manningham. Maybe I'm remembering all that incorrectly, but again watching the games this year the dynamic seems different.

 

[Concept Coop]

Nicks should be good down the stretch if he can stay healthy, but Cruz is the more reliable option, and the chemistry between Eli and Cruz is now off the charts.

This is what's bothering me.Last year I actually traded (over-traded, yes) Cruz to get Nicks... and I won my Championship because of their numbers in certain given weeks and the way it came out I would not have won out with Cruz.This year though with Nicks out so long and being limited thereafter just watching the games it feels like a whole other dynamic. Cruz is first, Nicks second and heck even Randle and Hixon are getting in there, and that's mroe like it used to be before last year with the Giants. Last year there was a real rash of injuries among the Giants WRs and it really seemed like it was Nicks and Cruz and occasionally if healthy a little something from Manningham. Maybe I'm remembering all that incorrectly, but again watching the games this year the dynamic seems different.

The dynamic or splits are the same. The Giants offense doesn't dictate a #1. They favor the slot, or the 'X' in different situations. Just look at the targets that Nicks' replacemnts got while he was out. When healthy, targets won't matter - they'll both get plenty.

 

[Judge Smails]

I could get M Williams or Nicks for Sproles (non PPR). Own Eli. Believe it or not leaning towards Mike Williams. And I own Eli. Just afraid of the questionable every week situation.

 

[solorca]

I didn't really target either guy heavily this offseason, but I do own Cruz in a dynasty league and Nicks in one redraft. Cruz has obviously been the better performer so far, and probably will be for the remainder of the season.

With that said, Nicks looks like he's back to me. Sunday's game was a little odd because the Giants pulled out to a big lead early and went into a shell. After Dallas made the comeback, they never did go back to the passing game too heavily.

Nicks was running crisp routes and getting separation against tough competition. I think this week will be the start of Nicks returning to his old self. Even though the improvement didn't show up on the stat sheet, the actual play on the field was a HUGE difference from a week or two ago.

I'm tired of hearing this. He's been healthy for a couple of weeks now and has done nothing. His old self was when he produced even when he was hurt. Now, Cruz is the main man.

Don't know who you've been listening to, but everyone who covers the team has said that he was missing a step in previous weeks, and struggling to gain any separation. This week against Dallas, he looked like the Hakeem Nicks we're used to. Unfortunately, the game situation didn't give him a chance to produce high level numbers. Cruz actually finished with about half of what Nicks did for the same reason.I make it a point to watch the All-22 coaching film of players on my team who are struggling with fantasy numbers, to see if it's them or something external. With Nicks, he was clearly not himself on the field until this past Sunday.

He's been missing a step for years, and it never effected his production before.

No he hasn't. He has had injuries in the past, but when he's been on the field, he has looked 100%. Prior to last week, the only other time he has looked 100% was week 2.This injury slowed him a lot more than others have in the past, but he finally appears healthy and ready to produce.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Sold nicks in a dynasty two weeks ago and haven't regretted it yet. Couldn't take his constant injuries any longer. Didn't think id ever trade the guy.

 

[lbouchard]

Sold nicks in a dynasty two weeks ago and haven't regretted it yet. Couldn't take his constant injuries any longer. Didn't think id ever trade the guy.

What was the exact deal? Considering buying if I can get cheap

 

[ProBowler88]

Sold nicks in a dynasty two weeks ago and haven't regretted it yet. Couldn't take his constant injuries any longer. Didn't think id ever trade the guy.

What was the exact deal? Considering buying if I can get cheap

I'm interested in that deal as well. I'm fed up with him as well.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Sold nicks in a dynasty two weeks ago and haven't regretted it yet. Couldn't take his constant injuries any longer. Didn't think id ever trade the guy.

What was the exact deal? Considering buying if I can get cheap

It was two separate deals but both were planned together. 16 team idp league. Basically was Rivers and Nicks for Big Ben, Cobb and JJ Watt. Defensive players score well. Before his bye this week Watt was the 15th overall player.