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Cubs trade for Harden (1 Viewer)
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DoubleG
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Just heard it too. All they said was "major leaguers for major leaguers" - no details. No link (radio beat reporter tracking story)
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Gallagher and Cedeno
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Actually, it looks like this
Harden and Gaudin for Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson
Billy Beane just got fleeced.
Harden and Gaudin for Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson
Billy Beane just got fleeced.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Eric Patterson/Matt Murton/Sean Gallagher/Josh Donaldson/? for Harden
I didn't think Beane would sell Harden(elite talent when healthy, past arm problems limit his value on the market), then again you can't blame him for selling given Harden's history. That said, I don't think the A's get much in this deal outside of Gallagher and possibly Donaldson. If Harden is healthy come playoff time, the potential series with the Brewers could be excellent.
I didn't think Beane would sell Harden(elite talent when healthy, past arm problems limit his value on the market), then again you can't blame him for selling given Harden's history. That said, I don't think the A's get much in this deal outside of Gallagher and possibly Donaldson. If Harden is healthy come playoff time, the potential series with the Brewers could be excellent.
Sweetcan
Footballguy
Agreed!I liked I don't think they gave up too much either
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Wow, we didn't give much either. Obviously if Harden can't stay healthy, we didn't get much either. Gallagher's actually really outperformed my expectations. He looked like crap in spring training (results aside, he didn't look to have good stuff)
Murton, however expendable, will get his PT with the A's. Patterson can be a decent MLB 2B, but I'd part with him in a heartbeat. Don't know much about Donaldson, but unless Soto falls on his face sometime, I don't need to.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Murton(OF) is the prototypical 4th outfielder, and can help most clubs with his bat
Donaldson© appears to be an OBP machine, although he has been beyond horrible this season...if he can turn it around, his college/2007 stats suggest he can rake
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/j...donaldson.shtml
Gallagher(SP) looked like a MLB pitcher during his starts with the Cubs this summer, not sure if he is anything more than a potential #4/#5, but he'll probably stick around.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/s...gallagher.shtml
Eric Patterson(OF), like his brother, has the raw talent to play in the bigs, but his stats don't suggest he'll be a star.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/E...Patterson.shtml
All in all, the A's received a handfull of players that can help their team down the line. Still don't think trading Harden was wise, but the odds of the new A's out-lasting Harden and his troubled arm are fairly high.
Donaldson© appears to be an OBP machine, although he has been beyond horrible this season...if he can turn it around, his college/2007 stats suggest he can rake
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/j...donaldson.shtml
Gallagher(SP) looked like a MLB pitcher during his starts with the Cubs this summer, not sure if he is anything more than a potential #4/#5, but he'll probably stick around.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/s...gallagher.shtml
Eric Patterson(OF), like his brother, has the raw talent to play in the bigs, but his stats don't suggest he'll be a star.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/E...Patterson.shtml
All in all, the A's received a handfull of players that can help their team down the line. Still don't think trading Harden was wise, but the odds of the new A's out-lasting Harden and his troubled arm are fairly high.
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Eephus
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Because the A's aren't in Fremont yet.
pantagrapher
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Not a bad deal for a guy who's going to hit the DL before September.
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AnonymousBob
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Good riddance. I would've loved for Oakland to get more but he's worse than Crosby...made of glass. He's awesome when healthy but he's never healthy. The Cubs still suck.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
We've got young arms everywhere so losing Harden isn't as terrible as one would initially think. Now if we could get rid of Street and Blanton...
pantagrapher
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Necronomicon Ex-Mortis
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SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
its funny cuz hes an A's fan
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
pollardsvision
Footballguy
it's good to get rid of harden, but are these 4 players really much better than the 2 compensatory picks they'd have gotten when harden walked?
SuperAwesomeDude
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its a sell high while he's high type deal. cubs only really want him healthy for half of a season.
Mister Martie
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Giving away Harden and Gaudin for a bunch of steaming garbage? I mean, Gallagher was the only one who cracked the BA's top 100 prospects and just barely. This is a brutal deal for the A's.
SuperAwesomeDude
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cubs needed a #3 and might have gotten another #1
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Balco
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I am most surprised the A's gave up Gaudin. I see he is pretty cheap (1.75 mil). Does anyone know his contract status?
Harden is an injury waiting to happen. Beane did well getting something before his next breakdown.
Gallagher was the big piece for the $$$ conscious A's. Kid is 22 and will be under their control for the next several years. They are really stockpiling arms.
If Beane can get rid of Street and Blanton, the rebuilding will have officially begun.
The A's have stockpiled some very good young arms. They need the offense to go with it.
Harden is an injury waiting to happen. Beane did well getting something before his next breakdown.
Gallagher was the big piece for the $$$ conscious A's. Kid is 22 and will be under their control for the next several years. They are really stockpiling arms.
If Beane can get rid of Street and Blanton, the rebuilding will have officially begun.
The A's have stockpiled some very good young arms. They need the offense to go with it.
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awesomeness
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Where?
Wrigley
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Didn't you hear they traded for Harden?
SuperAwesomeDude
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i dont get how harden might not be a #1.... sheesh
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awesomeness
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For some reason i thought you were talking about the A's in your first post. My bad.
DoubleG
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...and by "another" you mean a 3rd:1A) Zambrano
1B) Harden
1AB) Dempster
...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
MAC_32
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Solid deal for both sides
We all know what the Cubs got in Harden, Gaudin's a fringe starter at best though - a fly ball pitcher in Wrigley with poor K and BB rates that gives up a few too many HR's.
Matt Murton was wasting away in a crowded Chicago OF and is just the type of guy Billy Beane likes - under valued/utilized by current club, solid contact rate with a good OBP.
Swapping Gallagher for Harden is more classic Beane, swapping a risky salary for young, cheap talent.
Don't know much about the other two, from what I've read Patterson is on the brink of journeyman status, what's the word on Donaldson?
We all know what the Cubs got in Harden, Gaudin's a fringe starter at best though - a fly ball pitcher in Wrigley with poor K and BB rates that gives up a few too many HR's.
Matt Murton was wasting away in a crowded Chicago OF and is just the type of guy Billy Beane likes - under valued/utilized by current club, solid contact rate with a good OBP.
Swapping Gallagher for Harden is more classic Beane, swapping a risky salary for young, cheap talent.
Don't know much about the other two, from what I've read Patterson is on the brink of journeyman status, what's the word on Donaldson?
Power Monster
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Setting up for a classic battle in the NL Central second half of the season. I have to believe that the team with the deep bullpen is going to have the advantage
pantagrapher
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DoubleG said:...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
Left hander for the pen, maybe?
Knightro
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funny, because the farm system is. They just traded away all of their OF depth and now have to play Pie if they need help. Josh Vitters is the only chip left on the farm to help. The farm was weak to begin with and now the Cubs have carved into what young talent they did have to get a guy who visits the training room more often than the pitcher's mound.DoubleG said:...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
urbanhack
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Is Murton going to see playing time right away?
Wrigley
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I agree with you Nightro, I don't see where Hendry would get the players to make another trade.But the Cubs DO have depth in the OF.Soriano, Dome', Edmonds, Derosa, and in a pinch Ward.Pie as a 6th outfielder isn't all that bad.funny, because the farm system is. They just traded away all of their OF depth and now have to play Pie if they need help. Josh Vitters is the only chip left on the farm to help. The farm was weak to begin with and now the Cubs have carved into what young talent they did have to get a guy who visits the training room more often than the pitcher's mound.DoubleG said:...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
DoubleG
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7th - you forgot Reed Johnson.I agree with you Nightro, I don't see where Hendry would get the players to make another trade.But the Cubs DO have depth in the OF.Soriano, Dome', Edmonds, Derosa, and in a pinch Ward.Pie as a 6th outfielder isn't all that bad.funny, because the farm system is. They just traded away all of their OF depth and now have to play Pie if they need help. Josh Vitters is the only chip left on the farm to help. The farm was weak to begin with and now the Cubs have carved into what young talent they did have to get a guy who visits the training room more often than the pitcher's mound.DoubleG said:...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
Wrigley
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Damn, I knew I was missing someone. weird, he's not listed here7th - you forgot Reed Johnson.I agree with you Nightro, I don't see where Hendry would get the players to make another trade.But the Cubs DO have depth in the OF.funny, because the farm system is. They just traded away all of their OF depth and now have to play Pie if they need help. Josh Vitters is the only chip left on the farm to help. The farm was weak to begin with and now the Cubs have carved into what young talent they did have to get a guy who visits the training room more often than the pitcher's mound.DoubleG said:...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
Soriano, Dome', Edmonds, Derosa, and in a pinch Ward.
Pie as a 6th outfielder isn't all that bad.
SuperAwesomeDude
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and cedeno has played some OFDamn, I knew I was missing someone. weird, he's not listed here7th - you forgot Reed Johnson.I agree with you Nightro, I don't see where Hendry would get the players to make another trade.But the Cubs DO have depth in the OF.funny, because the farm system is. They just traded away all of their OF depth and now have to play Pie if they need help. Josh Vitters is the only chip left on the farm to help. The farm was weak to begin with and now the Cubs have carved into what young talent they did have to get a guy who visits the training room more often than the pitcher's mound.DoubleG said:...oh, and Hendry quietly stated at the end of one of the interviews that he's "not done yet."
Soriano, Dome', Edmonds, Derosa, and in a pinch Ward.
Pie as a 6th outfielder isn't all that bad.
MAC_32
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I'd be very surprised if he does not. He's an instant upgrade over Emil Brown and Ryan Sweeney and while Cust's overall numbers are superior to Murton's his streaky nature and laughibly bad glove may give Murton priority over him too. I doubt all of Oakland's current OF + Travis Buck will still be on the roster by August 1, somebody's going to get moved.
AnonymousBob
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You seem to think Gaudin was anything special. He's not a bad reliever/spot starter but Oakland has LOTS of young arms. Gaudin was expendable. If Harden stays healthy it's a good deal for Chicago. And what are the chances of that happening? Who here would place $500 on Harden not getting hurt between now and the end of the season? Gallagher was the only piece they wanted. The rest of the guys we got weren't meant to become future superstars. But they'll all be able to contribute. We're not rich enough to have a team of All-Stars. It takes a lot of role players and Beane snagged a few of those in addition to the guy he wanted.Mister Martie said:
This was a fine deal for Oakland if Harden stays healthy. If (when) he gets hurt this starts becoming a lopsided deal in favor of the A's.
AnonymousBob
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Gaudin was nothing special. Losing him isn't a big deal. I agree Gallagher was the big piece - really the only piece they wanted. They have a ton of young arms coming up. I'm hoping Blanton and Street have a great run before the break so we can pawn them off. Blanton has been much better as of late but he has a long ways to go in order to restore his trade value.Balco said:
