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Cutler will not report on Monday (1 Viewer)
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Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
If the Broncos lose Cutler over this the Denver fans will be calling for McDaniels head on a stick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This is the craziest story I've heard in a while. What's next? Is he gonna start doing sit-ups in his driveway?
identikit
Footballguy
I think Cutler is outkicking his coverage.Many, many worse places for him in the NFL.He needs to buy some humble and go about the job he's under contract for.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
I'm sorry Bronco fans, I know Cutler is the saviour of the franchise, but he is acting like a baby.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Sure, until he leads the team to a better record than they had the last couple years.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
With who? Chris Simms? Patrick Ramsey?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I haven't delved into all the Cutler threads, but cliff notes?
Is this mainly all due to Cutler being offended the Broncos entertained offers on him?
Do I have the gist of it?
Is this mainly all due to Cutler being offended the Broncos entertained offers on him?
Do I have the gist of it?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Interesting...I hadn't heard that they met in person. If they did meet after that conference call it imo shows they're at least trying to mend fences.
Avery
Footballguy
I know we all saw this coming, but if you take a step back this whole situation just boggles the mind.
I keep thinking that both sides are going to give a little and come to their senses about this whole thing. McDaniels will realize he doesn't have a track record of success like his mentor or his mentor's mentor and can't go around acting like them and that Culter is a pretty damn good QB and tell him, "Hey Jay. You're our guy, I look forward to working with you and we're going to win a lot of games together." and Culter will realize that the NFL is a business and he shouldn't be so damn sensitive. Or even Pat Bolan would slap them both around and tell everyone to kiss and make up and get to work.
It's just really bizarre to me how everyone is digging in their heals.
I keep thinking that both sides are going to give a little and come to their senses about this whole thing. McDaniels will realize he doesn't have a track record of success like his mentor or his mentor's mentor and can't go around acting like them and that Culter is a pretty damn good QB and tell him, "Hey Jay. You're our guy, I look forward to working with you and we're going to win a lot of games together." and Culter will realize that the NFL is a business and he shouldn't be so damn sensitive. Or even Pat Bolan would slap them both around and tell everyone to kiss and make up and get to work.
It's just really bizarre to me how everyone is digging in their heals.
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nxmehta
Footballguy
WOW. What is going on here... where do the two sides think this is going to end up? Does Culter think he'll end up in a better situation somewhere else? Not gonna happen. Do the Broncos think they can win with Chris Simms? Not gonna happen.
A whole lotta stupid being passed around in Denver right now... and this is coming from a Browns homer.
A whole lotta stupid being passed around in Denver right now... and this is coming from a Browns homer.
Pat Bowlen supporting the coach over the QB is kind of interestinghttp://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11919325
thats the rumor iam hearing.. You on the Lions forum?
I don't think it's surprising at all. The coach is showing up for work; the QB isn't. The QB is being a baby; the coach isn't. If I were Bowlen, it wouldn't take me more than a millisecond to throw my support behind McDaniels.I really can't understand why any Broncos fans would take Cutler's side in this. If this saga runs Cutler out of town, it's because he lacks the maturity and mentality to be a successful team leader. In which case McDaniels is doing the franchise a big favor.
JMHO.
FUBAR
Footballguy
We'll have to see who they get for Cutler, but bringing in a veteran is a possibility still. If they're able to improve the D IMO the team will get better. I don't think losing Cutler helps them, but they could still be better than they were with him even if they'd be even better if they kept him. Make sense?
Sinrman
Footballguy
As a Lions fan, I would LOVE to see this happen. But come on... that's got to be complete speculation at this point. Have we seen anything even remotely concrete on anything like this happening?
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Yup, this isn't the quote you want to read if you're a Bronco fan:
“I’m very disappointed,” Bowlen said. “I’m disappointed in the whole picture, not just disappointed that we might lose our star quarterback.”
“I’m very disappointed,” Bowlen said. “I’m disappointed in the whole picture, not just disappointed that we might lose our star quarterback.”
FUBAR
Footballguy
Cutler to Calvin will have fans and FF owners drooling. Yes, moreso than Cutler to Marshall. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
identikit
Footballguy
I don't think it's surprising at all. The coach is showing up for work; the QB isn't. The QB is being a baby; the coach isn't. If I were Bowlen, it wouldn't take me more than a millisecond to throw my support behind McDaniels.
I really can't understand why any Broncos fans would take Cutler's side in this. If this saga runs Cutler out of town, it's because he lacks the maturity and mentality to be a successful team leader. In which case McDaniels is doing the franchise a big favor.
JMHO.
Well said.
My sentiments exactly.
I really can't understand why any Broncos fans would take Cutler's side in this. If this saga runs Cutler out of town, it's because he lacks the maturity and mentality to be a successful team leader. In which case McDaniels is doing the franchise a big favor.
JMHO.
Well said.
My sentiments exactly.
ICON211
Footballguy
I think he has to take McDaniel's side. If he does not back the coach he risks losing the whole team before the guy even coaches a game.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Ill say what I said in the other thread, if Bowlen says he isn't trading Cutler, then he is under contract as a Bronco. It is not like Cutler can make a trade happen by himself. Sure he can sit out.
Bottom line, both sides still hold plenty of cards, but none of which help themselves or the team.
Denver has a brutal schedule next year, even with Cutler behind center they are going to struggle. McD can't afford this---the Broncos are going to have to play well to win the AFC West, If Cutler is gone, all the blame is going to fall squarely on him.
Bottom line, both sides still hold plenty of cards, but none of which help themselves or the team.
Denver has a brutal schedule next year, even with Cutler behind center they are going to struggle. McD can't afford this---the Broncos are going to have to play well to win the AFC West, If Cutler is gone, all the blame is going to fall squarely on him.
No. Sitting on the couch. Yelling at the kids. Making this stuff as I go. Sorry. Should have qualified that.
Yeah....funny thing though....it was his (Bowlen's) own doing.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Yeah about the only thing I've found is:
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/cou...ler-212079.html
Still a lot of speculation...
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/cou...ler-212079.html
Still a lot of speculation...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I haven't followed this very closely, but my impression is that the Broncos were actively shopping Cutler - to the point where three or four teams were all trying to make a deal to land Cassell and then move him to the Broncs.
Word got out, and Cutler was pissed.
Then the Broncos denied that they were actively shopping Cutler - saying some PR nonsense about how 'they'd fielded offers.'
Someone lies to my face and thinks they can sell me some B.S. story that only a moron would buy and I'm gonna be pissed too.
Word got out, and Cutler was pissed.
Then the Broncos denied that they were actively shopping Cutler - saying some PR nonsense about how 'they'd fielded offers.'
Someone lies to my face and thinks they can sell me some B.S. story that only a moron would buy and I'm gonna be pissed too.
Avery
Footballguy
From a fantasy football prospective, is the Shark move to go get him if you don't have him or sell him if you do?
I realize it's a lot of speculation because we don't know what will happen but if you wait until something happens the market is set rather then taking advantage of being ahead of the curve.
I realize it's a lot of speculation because we don't know what will happen but if you wait until something happens the market is set rather then taking advantage of being ahead of the curve.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Saw this coming a mile away. This has Bus Cook's grimey fingers all over it. I'll say it again. This is McNair/Favre all over again.
I think it all depends on whether you believe in his talent and that it would persevere even in Detroit ... perish the thought. Well, I do believe in Cutler's ability to put up fantasy points, even in Detroit. For that reason, I will be looking to buy Cutler from owners who are worried. Selling now would be selling low. But, some are afraid of an impending trade. For them, trading Cutler probably is a good move. It is all about risk tolerance.
Avery
Footballguy
That's kinda how I see things as well.I'm sending out feelers for Culter in my dynasty leagues and going to see how many times I can type "Detroit" and "Lions" in one e-mail.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
easily the best joke I have read in the SP in quite some time, well done Andy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Do you ever not side with management?
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Memo to Vikings Mgmt:
If Cutler were available in the '09 draft, I think that he would be the hands down #1 pick. He was already a 1st round pick and he has proved that he can hold his own - plus he's still young and just scratching the surface on his potential. Also, QBs always go higher than other positions. Due to this, he would go 1st.
With that said, what would it take for the Vikes to trade up to the #1 pick?
#1 overall pick is worth 3,000
The Vikes would have to trade:
#22 overall - 780 points
2nd round pick - worth around 350
3rd round pick - worth around 160
4th round pick - worth around 60
That is not nearly enough ammo to move up that far.
And I would argue that Cutler is worth more than the #1 overall because of his contract. This is huge. We wouldn't have to pay him #1 money - big deal.
So, what would he be worth to us?
According to this, he's worth more than our entire draft. Now, you can agree/disagree on if you like him or not, but IMO he is worth it.
So, if we could get him for our #1, #3, next years #2 and a player(s) I would jump all over it and just sit back and smile. Franchise QB for the next 10 years.
If he ends up getting traded and we don't have our hat in the ring, I will be seriously pissed. Now, if he goes to a team such as Cleveland that kicks them back a young QB then I can understand. But, if it goes for picks and a mediocre QB, well that's not good.
I'm not saying that he's going to be traded - I still highly doubt it because the Broncos know his value as well. Hopefully, they've pissed Cutler off to the point that there is no return.
Childress/Spielman - please make it happen.
If Cutler were available in the '09 draft, I think that he would be the hands down #1 pick. He was already a 1st round pick and he has proved that he can hold his own - plus he's still young and just scratching the surface on his potential. Also, QBs always go higher than other positions. Due to this, he would go 1st.
With that said, what would it take for the Vikes to trade up to the #1 pick?
#1 overall pick is worth 3,000
The Vikes would have to trade:
#22 overall - 780 points
2nd round pick - worth around 350
3rd round pick - worth around 160
4th round pick - worth around 60
That is not nearly enough ammo to move up that far.
And I would argue that Cutler is worth more than the #1 overall because of his contract. This is huge. We wouldn't have to pay him #1 money - big deal.
So, what would he be worth to us?
According to this, he's worth more than our entire draft. Now, you can agree/disagree on if you like him or not, but IMO he is worth it.
So, if we could get him for our #1, #3, next years #2 and a player(s) I would jump all over it and just sit back and smile. Franchise QB for the next 10 years.
If he ends up getting traded and we don't have our hat in the ring, I will be seriously pissed. Now, if he goes to a team such as Cleveland that kicks them back a young QB then I can understand. But, if it goes for picks and a mediocre QB, well that's not good.
I'm not saying that he's going to be traded - I still highly doubt it because the Broncos know his value as well. Hopefully, they've pissed Cutler off to the point that there is no return.
Childress/Spielman - please make it happen.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Cutler to Desean/Boldin.
Please make this happen.
Please make this happen.
Avery
Footballguy
Hang in there, Vikings fan.McDaniels and Bolen are hard at work lowering Culter's trade value.
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Thanks.That's the only reason that I'm just suggesting 1, 3 this year and 2 next year.I just want to know that the Vikes' hat is at least in the ring.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
:tap on the shoulder
id you sleep thru the Sage signing? I'm not comparing him to Cutler but brother be happy you upgraded. Look at the Vikes under Childress...what if anything about the way they have been going about things over the past 3 seasons leads you to believe they have even a remote chance of getting Cutler? If they felt QB was really important they never would have tried to roll with Tavaris Jackson. They resurrected Gus Frrrerrrrotte's career and when you look at his career journeyman numbers as a whole that is really saying something. What your post means to me though is that Cutler being traded under almost any circumstances means that Denver is going to poopoo the bed here.
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All of this public banter cannot be good for the trade value. The Broncos appear to be painting themselves into a corner. They (and Cutler) are going down a path that leads to divorce and the other teams know this. If the phones were ringing last month, I bet they are even moreso now. At this point, it really does not matter whose "fault" it is, just that one party needs start patching the fence.
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ScottyFargo
Footballguy
I think that other teams may see that Cutler might becoming available, but let's not assume he's going to go cheap... what will drive up his value is the # of teams interested in him, and there would be MANY interested in him. The fact that they have to let him go might drop the initial offer, but when the Bears, Titans, Lions, Vikings and Tampa Bay are all interested the bidding will go up.That is aAll of this public banter cannot be good for the trade value. The Broncos appear to be painting themselves into a corner. They (and Cutler) are going down a path that leads to divorce and the other teams know this. If the phones were ringing last month, I bet they are even moreso now. At this point, it really does not matter whose "fault" it is, just that one party needs start patching the fence.
Avery
Footballguy
So is the entirely incompetent and unqualified "parent" in the picture representing Bolen or McDaniels?
There cannot be that many teams interested. The Titans just paid Collins way too much money. The Bears will go with Orton and have other holes to fill. The Lions and Bucs seem the most likely landing spots.I think that other teams may see that Cutler might becoming available, but let's not assume he's going to go cheap... what will drive up his value is the # of teams interested in him, and there would be MANY interested in him. The fact that they have to let him go might drop the initial offer, but when the Bears, Titans, Lions, Vikings and Tampa Bay are all interested the bidding will go up.That is aAll of this public banter cannot be good for the trade value. The Broncos appear to be painting themselves into a corner. They (and Cutler) are going down a path that leads to divorce and the other teams know this. If the phones were ringing last month, I bet they are even moreso now. At this point, it really does not matter whose "fault" it is, just that one party needs start patching the fence.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
"Pat Bowlen supporting the coach over the QB is kind of interesting".
Bowlen has no choice but to go with the coach. The coach chose to have a confrontation with the QB, chose not to mend the fences, but Bowlen has no choice. If he comes down on the side of Cutler, the damage to McDaniels is irretrievable. Yes, Cutler could have handled it more maturely; but he's still a young kid. The coach is supposed to be management, and to be wiser than his players. He hasn't acted that way. It's a stupid situation which never should have reached this point, but the coach chose to play the "I have more stars on my shoulder game." He's an idiot.
If I had a general manager who pissed off my star salesman, I'd have to support the general manager. But behind the scenes I would have told him he was an idiot.
Bowlen has no choice but to go with the coach. The coach chose to have a confrontation with the QB, chose not to mend the fences, but Bowlen has no choice. If he comes down on the side of Cutler, the damage to McDaniels is irretrievable. Yes, Cutler could have handled it more maturely; but he's still a young kid. The coach is supposed to be management, and to be wiser than his players. He hasn't acted that way. It's a stupid situation which never should have reached this point, but the coach chose to play the "I have more stars on my shoulder game." He's an idiot.
If I had a general manager who pissed off my star salesman, I'd have to support the general manager. But behind the scenes I would have told him he was an idiot.
