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Cutler will not report on Monday (1 Viewer)

""Coach" has been given control to make personnel decisions.

"Player" should keep his mouth shut and play football.
Normally, I'd agree....but in this case it seems pretty clear that the coach has been neither forthcoming nor honest in his dealings with his FRANCHISE QB. What coach in his right mind tells his franchise QB he'd rather have another team's BACKUP as his his starter????? (Nothing personel of course!) Regardless of any other he-said, she-said BS, that's a coaching blunder of epic proportions, and Cutler has plenty of reasons to be pissed. Cutler is a franchise caliber, pro-bowl QB!Seriously....I wouldn't show up to ANYTHING voluntary either.
In your first sentence you suggest that McDaniel hasn't been "forthcoming nor honest". In your 2nd sentence, you bash McDaniel for being too honest.Which is it?
Actually...I'm saying he's nuts! He lied at the beginning. Then, the truth was even worse. Cutler was irritated with the lies, and now furious with the truth.If the coach prefers another team's backup, then why shouldn't the franchise QB ask for a trade????????

 
Not really. If anyone is acting bigger than the franchise, it's Cutler.
Funny, how all the San Diego supporters come out and start circling like a bunch of turkey vultures. It is such a big surprise when you start placing all the blame on Cutler's shoulders.
 
What's going to make this much worse for McDaniel assuming Cutler is gone is the schedule this year. Besides the usual Chargers twice, they get:

Pittsburgh

Baltimore

Indianapolis

New England

Dallas

Philadelphia

New York (Giants)

Washington

Easy to forcast a losing record with this schedule

 
I'm about as far from a san diego fan (call monsterquest -- do they exist?) as you can get, and I think cutler's acting like a ####.

 
As a Jets fan, I was convinced they would go with Clemmens/Ratliff. McDaniels has painted himself into a corner now. I'm actually starting to think he is so stupid, he just might trade Cutler. He has created a situation that is completely untenable. Cutler almost HAS to be traded now.

Hey McDaniels, how about Kellen Clemmens and a second round pick? Has any other rookie HC ever dismantled a team's chemistry faster than this guy has? At least he had a passing offense... now he has nothing. This guy makes Mangini look like a sensitivity class instructor.

How many of you would work for a boss who has lied to you, undermined you and then had the balls to defend it? If I am Cutler... I sit out not only the voluntary workouts, I sit, period. Then, if I do show up.... I'll make it very hard on this rookie HC. Team captain, pro bowl QB, passed for 4,500 yards, and this newbie tool comes in, tries to trade me, lies about it, and then shoves it all down my throat? I would be disruptive in meetings, I would really put the screws to McDaniels. Let him sleep in the bed he made. He deserves no less.

 
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IF Cutler is going to get traded...its probably to Cleveland for Quinn.

I don't see Detroit, TB, or the Jets offering anything that would interest DEN.

The #1 pick is a far worse pick to have than the Bronco's own #12. Especially when you consider the top QB prospects are much more likely to be Alex Smith's than Matty Ice.

 
If I were KC Chiefs I would offer offer to take the Broncos malcontents "off their hands"; and offer Cassel to them for Cutler and Scheffler ... McDaniels has made such a mess of things he would probably go for it. The Chiefs make out like bandits and walk away with Cutler, Scheffler, and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick.

 
Cutler was a very good fantasy QB last year but he is way over rated as an NFL QB. He wasn't a winner in college and he is not a winner in the NFL. Now we have the I'm all upset because they considered trading me situation. He is nothing more than a mediocre QB and unless he can grow up and understand the business of the NFL he will continue to be an overated QB.

 
Cutler was a very good fantasy QB last year but he is way over rated as an NFL QB. He wasn't a winner in college and he is not a winner in the NFL. Now we have the I'm all upset because they considered trading me situation. He is nothing more than a mediocre QB and unless he can grow up and understand the business of the NFL he will continue to be an overated QB.
:thumbup: so when he does this he will be a solid qb in your eyes?

 
Cutler was a very good fantasy QB last year but he is way over rated as an NFL QB. He wasn't a winner in college and he is not a winner in the NFL. Now we have the I'm all upset because they considered trading me situation. He is nothing more than a mediocre QB and unless he can grow up and understand the business of the NFL he will continue to be an overated QB.
So when McDaniels grows up and understands the business of the NFL (ie, working with players) will he continue to be an overated coach.
 
I don't think it's surprising at all. The coach is showing up for work; the QB isn't. The QB is being a baby; the coach isn't. If I were Bowlen, it wouldn't take me more than a millisecond to throw my support behind McDaniels.I really can't understand why any Broncos fans would take Cutler's side in this. If this saga runs Cutler out of town, it's because he lacks the maturity and mentality to be a successful team leader. In which case McDaniels is doing the franchise a big favor.JMHO.
Do you ever not side with management?
Of course.I disagreed with the Cowboys' management when they signed T.O. I currently disagree with the Bills' management for the same reason.I disagreed with the Jets' management when they signed Favre.I disagreed with the Raiders' management when they signed Javon Walker to such a huge contract.I will disagree with the Broncos' management if they can get a first-rounder for Cutler but end up keeping him instead.I often disagree with the management of NFL teams.
None of those things are examples of siding with players in management/player disputes. I believe that's what the question was about.
 
Cutler was a very good fantasy QB last year but he is way over rated as an NFL QB. He wasn't a winner in college and he is not a winner in the NFL. Now we have the I'm all upset because they considered trading me situation. He is nothing more than a mediocre QB and unless he can grow up and understand the business of the NFL he will continue to be an overated QB.
:hifive: so when he does this he will be a solid qb in your eyes?
Most likely when his defense improves :lmao:
 
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Vic Lombardi DENVER (CBS4) ―

CBS4 has learned that disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler is no longer in Denver and is done negotiating with the team. Cutler will not be attending Monday's voluntary team workout. Sources tell CBS4 he has told the Broncos to trade him.

Cutler and his agent met face-to-face with the Broncos Saturday where no progress was made between the quarterback and his new head coach.

Cutler recently put his house on the market. We're told that the timing of the sale is merely coincidence. Cutler had been planning to sell the house for several months.

CBS4 has also learned that tight end Tony Scheffler intends on skipping Monday's voluntary session.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/cutler.nfl.b...s.2.958850.html
As a life long Bronco fan I say "Good riddance and I hope we can get solid players/picks in return". I think it is idiotic when any other player does this same thing each year and I think Jay is being an idiot too.I also think there is a chance that he still is in Denver come training camp. Denver could just let him stay home and fine him when mandatory meetings/practices start. The team has all the power in this situation, Cutler is under contract.

 
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QB on a bad college program plays very well, gets drafted in the first round by a legendary HC who has won a super bowlw. QB gets annointed as the "future", by same HC. Young QB shows some flashes puts up some big numbers like 3500 yards passing but the defense stinks, and the young QB makes too many mistakes. Legendary HC gets fired, new rookie HC gets hired and as his first act attempts to trade the "franchise QB". Young QB is upset. Feels like the rug was pulled out from under him. Talks with new rookie HC who says "anyone is tradable". New rookie HC indicates said trade was only intitiated by other teams. New rookie HC lies. Young QB is now very upset. QB and HC talk again. Young QB is even more upset. W9onder what went on in that conversation. Young QB decides not to show for VOLUNTARY workouts. So does his room mate, the young TE. Team is on the brink of mutiny. Captain Bligh (McDaniels)is found to be at no fault by some public opinion, as he rips a team apart, collecting an excess of worse than average RB's and other head scratching manuvuers. Young QB is called a baby. Team goes out and signs another player, this one the son of a pro football player as the most impressive part of his resume as an NFL QB. I gotta say, and I usually side with coaches and FO's... I think Cutler is getting screwed, he knows it and he also knows that Denver is going to be a bad team for several years under this HC's rule. Show me ONE, just one good thing McDaniels has done since he got hired. Lamont Jordan? That Denver D needed serious help, and they let every impact FA walk away. I have always liked the Broncos, but this new HC is a freakin disaster. If I'm Cutler, I want out, even if it is Detroit.
Dawkins is old but still very effective. They also signed Goodman from the Miami Dolphins who was part of the rejuvination in Miami last year...he shut down Marshalla lot during the Denver/Miami game...likely a major reason he is now in a Denver uniform.I am in Cutler's corner though so I agree with a lot of your thoughts.
 
Cutler's due to be paid $1.035MIL this year. With a 100k bonus if he shows for 90% of the workouts. So, his base is basically paying about $1.1MIL this season including offseason stuff. For a franchise QB?? Are you kidding me? Does anyone out there think that's right? Exactly. Neither do I. Not even considering he's yet to have a winning season. He's a Pro Bowl QB. You know who else thinks Cutler should be making more than that?? Cutler. And his agent. Favre's agent. Bus Cook. This situation is beyond ugly because now its pretty much become all about the money. And that's not even being talked about.

Denver needs to bring in Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich and open this thing up. And not worry about Cutler. They dont need to give into contract demands or trade him while his value is down. Make him sweat. He's not carrying this team to the promised land anyway.

Does he give Broncos fans a level of pride because he's good? Sure does. Is he a #s machine? Got it. Is he a winner?? I dont know. You tell me.
1st paragraph is spot on...your opinions in the next couple of lines I strongly disagree with...but that 1st paragraph and the money angle is going to be what prolongs this thing. Denver is backed themselves into a corner. Either pay Cutler about $100 million on a new contract or trade him.
 
Cutler's behaving like a prima donna but his skill set and on-field performance warrant his arrogance... nobody behind center was taking Denver to the playoffs with that defense last year;

I thought Cutler made an important adaptation to his game midway through the season last year; when teams started to take away Marshall he began a 3-4 game stretch where he became more disciplined in his progressions and the Bronco's offense became more efficient... keep in mind he's still a young QB;

Quick aside about the defense... does anybody else think Denver is missing the point? I think they've clearly upgraded their seconday, but without getting beef up front their going to get Dawkins and Bailey and whoever else killed making tackles in the opponent's running game

 
If I were KC Chiefs I would offer offer to take the Broncos malcontents "off their hands"; and offer Cassel to them for Cutler and Scheffler ... McDaniels has made such a mess of things he would probably go for it. The Chiefs make out like bandits and walk away with Cutler, Scheffler, and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick.
IMO, they come out better vs. the Broncos (division rival) if they stay put.
 
Belichick plant. There, I said it.

Let McDaniels sign with Denver. Have McDaniels create turmoil with the QB. Trade the QB. Come back to NE.

 
This is a Josh McDaniels pants on fire story.

When you make a mistake, admit it quickly.

Nobody likes to be lied to. Nobody likes to be lied about. The Broncos brass has done both, and about a 25 year old. A 25 year old who was voted the team captain. A 25 year old who just went to the pro bowl. A 25 year old who threw for over 4500 yards last season.

Broncos, that kid was one of the only things you had going for you.

Your running game is a shell of its former self. Your special teams are bad. Your defense was 29th in the league in yards allowed. Your # 1 Wide Receiver runs like a tight end and apparently likes going 15 rounds with every girl he meets.

Detroit isn't a bad situation for Jay Cutler. Roll Jay away from the rush and have him toss it to Calvin. Jay has played without a legit deep threat since he arrived in the league. He throws a pretty deep ball. It'd be nice to see it again. He gets that ball away fast and is tough. He'd make that Detroit o-line look A LOT better than it looked this year. Calvin could go for 1800 yards next year if he stayed healthy. Of everybody involved, B Marshall stands to lose the most if Cutler is traded. In the end, there's a reason Johnson went where he went in the draft and Marshall went where he went. A lot of those passes won't be there right when Brandon Marshall turns around next year. Unlike Denver, the city of Detroit would actually appreciate Jay Cutler and his earthy work ethic. The press there wouldn't criticize him every time he didn't show up with product in his hair wearing a three-piece suit for the ribbon cutting at the Piggly Wiggly. He's a football player, not an investment banker. Somebody should tell the Denver Post "writers" who are constantly badgering Cutler about his hair and clothes.

I'd like to see a deal that lands Denver Matt Leinart somehow. Or Brian Griese. Wait until you see Brandon Marshall and his 4.6 40 waiting for a Matt Leinart pass to arrive. Paint would dry faster. Darrell Green could cover that pass right now at the age of 49. Matt would get all dolled up, though, and wear his suit and hair just right for the Denver press. And isn't that what's really important?
This is a terrible post. The problem is that McDaniel and the Broncos are being too honest with Culter, telling him that they'll listen to offers for anyone, instead of lying to him to make his warm fuzzies feel better.What a ####### baby Jay Cutler is. Get over it already. Skipping workouts b/c his feelings are hurt? Are you kidding me?
LOL, I think you know that's not what happened here Tommy. But I understand that the more you drum up this opinion, the better Rivers looks. So I understand why you posted it.
 
Wow, what a mess. I didn't like that they let Shanny go (fired him) and now the team is on the verge of imploding. McDaniels better be a god if Cutler is dealt.

 
Seems to me that both sides are screwing this one up. Cutler because he doesn't just realize it's a business and move on, McDaniels because he's screwed this up from Day 1.

Not sure how anyone could give McDaniels a pass on this one. He says that he wanted Cassel because he knew him, etc, and yet couldn't even get things together enough to offer NE more than a 2nd rounder for him? Seems to me that's saying that Cutler isn't even worth a 2nd rounder. Either that, or that McDaniels is so incompetent that he wasn't even able to get an offer into NE before the trade was made. Then he compounds the problem by lying and saying that they didn't try to trade for Cassel, then when it's clear that they did, he takes the hardline stance of saying that he'll trade anyone he wants at anytime.

And Cutler needs to stop crying to the media. If you're upset about the situation, tell them team behind closed doors that you want a trade and leave it at that. If they don't trade you, then they obviously want you for at least one more season. Play out of your mind this season and show them that they're idiots and THEN publicly demand a trade.

 
I think there isplenty of moron to go around in this case, both sides need to put away the macho and make this right

I personally think the whole "Putting my house up for sale this week was a coincidence" line is awesome. If he dlievered that with a straight face he's got a career ahead of him as a politician

this meeting was doomed from the start

 
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Lions poised to pounce as Cutler situation sours

by Tom Kowalski

Monday March 16, 2009, 8:24 AM

According to a league source, the Detroit Lions will continue to talk to the Denver Broncos about the possibility of acquiring quarterback Jay Cutler in a trade. Cutler's anger with Denver initially began when he learned that the Lions and Bucs were involved in active trade talks. An effort to mend fences has apparently done more damage than good.

In a story that was originally reported by NFL.com, the Broncos were in trade discussions a couple of weeks ago with Detroit and Tampa Bay. The Broncos wanted those teams to acquire Matt Cassel from the Patriots and then turn around deal Cassel to Denver in exchange for Cutler.

The Lions have plenty of ammunition to use in a deal -- they have five draft picks in the first 82 choices in the upcoming draft -- but more teams are expected to enter the bidding for Cutler.
 
Seems to me that both sides are screwing this one up. Cutler because he doesn't just realize it's a business and move on, McDaniels because he's screwed this up from Day 1.

Not sure how anyone could give McDaniels a pass on this one. He says that he wanted Cassel because he knew him, etc, and yet couldn't even get things together enough to offer NE more than a 2nd rounder for him? Seems to me that's saying that Cutler isn't even worth a 2nd rounder. Either that, or that McDaniels is so incompetent that he wasn't even able to get an offer into NE before the trade was made. Then he compounds the problem by lying and saying that they didn't try to trade for Cassel, then when it's clear that they did, he takes the hardline stance of saying that he'll trade anyone he wants at anytime.

And Cutler needs to stop crying to the media. If you're upset about the situation, tell them team behind closed doors that you want a trade and leave it at that. If they don't trade you, then they obviously want you for at least one more season. Play out of your mind this season and show them that they're idiots and THEN publicly demand a trade.
This is a great post, especially the bolded parts.
 
Another thing to consider if a trade is made...Cutler will almost certainly want a new contract and I would wonder if a team would trade for a QB who is unhappy with their contract unless they plan on signing him to an extension.

As bad as the Lion's QB situation has been over the last 50 years and with their huge amount of room under the cap, they would definitely be a team that could sign him.

 
Interesting how this thing splits and people are strongly on one side or the other.

But one thing I've learned over a long career. If you don't tell the truth, people aren't going to trust you. And if you don't have trust, your effectiveness is undermined. Yeah, there are lies and there are lies. But you'd better play it straight with those who are on your team. If McDaniels had said, "Yes I tried to trade for Cassel because he and I had a special relationship, etc. but that's over now and it didn't work. So now, you're our guy. I'll work with you just like I did with him, and we can be winners together..." the whole situation would have blown over. That it didn't, is at the feet of McDaniels.

He may be good with X's and O's, but he stinks as a manager.

 
doubletrouble said:
Warhogs said:
Cutler was a very good fantasy QB last year but he is way over rated as an NFL QB. He wasn't a winner in college and he is not a winner in the NFL. Now we have the I'm all upset because they considered trading me situation. He is nothing more than a mediocre QB and unless he can grow up and understand the business of the NFL he will continue to be an overated QB.
:coffee: so when he does this he will be a solid qb in your eyes?
We can all have our opinions of Cutler. My opinion is that he does not have the makeup to be a consistent winner in the NFL. I think when his career is over he will be viewed as a disappointment. That is all I am saying.
 
doubletrouble said:
Warhogs said:
Cutler was a very good fantasy QB last year but he is way over rated as an NFL QB. He wasn't a winner in college and he is not a winner in the NFL. Now we have the I'm all upset because they considered trading me situation. He is nothing more than a mediocre QB and unless he can grow up and understand the business of the NFL he will continue to be an overated QB.
:rolleyes: so when he does this he will be a solid qb in your eyes?
We can all have our opinions of Cutler. My opinion is that he does not have the makeup to be a consistent winner in the NFL. I think when his career is over he will be viewed as a disappointment. That is all I am saying.
I couldn't disagree more.
 
Donnybrook said:
BigJim® said:
On a side note, now the Vikes really look goofy for jumping at Rosenfels as if he was Johnny Unitas hitting free agency. Still shaking my head in disgust at the timing of that move that could have waited. There's no way they tell a guy he's competing to start, sign him to a 3-year deal, and still have the guts to go after a Cutler.
A 4th round pick does not equal to Johnny Unitas. You would prefer it if the Vikings were not to be interested in Cutler? :rolleyes:
You're misunderstanding my post. I said they went after Rosenfels as if he were Unitas, not that they paid that way. I'm not following your second sentence. I said they won't seriously pursue him now that they've committed to Rosey. You disagree? Childress is going to be wrong about TJax and Rosenfels all in the same offseason? I didn't say I'd prefer it if they did not pursue Cutler, in fact I think I implied the opposite that it's a shame they probably won't.
 
This whole thing reeks of mismanagement to me. I'm generally all for management taking the "hard line" with dip#### players when the situation merits it (and in most cases, it does).

But this just makes no sense. First, why even go AFTER another QB in the first place? Just because the coach coached him before? You have a top shelf offense, and a bottom-feeding defense the year before, and you want your big splash in the offseason to be bringing in a new QB to replace the young talented QB you already have on contract (and CHEAP as well, I might add)? That's dumb part one.

Dumb part two is lying to the face of your franchise. According to Cutler, his MAIN beef with management is that they told him that they were not going after another QB, and that they were not actively trying to trade him. Given that it seems incredibly stupid to me in the first place, I can see where it would be difficult to try to explain that to the guy you are trying to get rid of, but as an "experienced" NFL guy, you should KNOW this stuff always gets out eventually, and that when it does you are going to look like even more of a schmuck. Gotta man up if you want the respect.

Dumb part three is not massaging the situation even AFTER it blew up. SHOULD an NFL head coach have to coddle a player? In a perfect world, absolutely not. But come on. This is still a very YOUNG man you dealing with. He came into the league and has done really good things for the most part (don't want to overplay this, but I think most would agree that he has at least been as good as advertised). Then all of the sudden, the only head coach he has had in the NFL gets canned. His offensive coordinator (who he has had a lot of success with) gets canned. His best friend on the team is being actively shopped. And the year after he goes to the Pro Bowl, his brand new coach who he has NO relationship with has LIED to him, and has been actively trying to replace him. I mean what do you guys calling Cutler a baby and whiner really expect? As 25 year old multi-millionaire starting NFL QB coming off of a very successful season, how would YOU feel about what gone down in Denver this off-season? You'd be saying WTF too. And where is the team now? You've either got a very pissed off QB trying to "lead" your team, or even if you still want to dump him, you've just lowered his trade value since the league KNOWS he's dying to get out of your city. Either way, you've hosed yourself. Yes, a coach should run his team. He's he boss. But there is a REASON franchise QBs make MORE money than coaches. They are critical to a teams success to say the least. As a coach or a front office guy, you MIGHT give that a little thought.

While I don't don't think Cutler as managed his end perfectly, I put the overall blame for this entire fiasco squarely on management. The whole things has been ridiculous.

 
Sinrman said:
Mmmm, Detroit takes the top OL with the 1.01 pick, then trades 1.20 to Denver for Cutler. They still have the 2.01 pick and go defense.Cutler to Calvin.... ohhh yeah I like the sound of that...
Nice job, but this isn't fantasy football.... :rolleyes:I could see Cutler landing in DET, but certainly not under these circumstances....
 
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This whole thing reeks of mismanagement to me. I'm generally all for management taking the "hard line" with dip#### players when the situation merits it (and in most cases, it does).But this just makes no sense. First, why even go AFTER another QB in the first place? Just because the coach coached him before? You have a top shelf offense, and a bottom-feeding defense the year before, and you want your big splash in the offseason to be bringing in a new QB to replace the young talented QB you already have on contract (and CHEAP as well, I might add)? That's dumb part one.Dumb part two is lying to the face of your franchise. According to Cutler, his MAIN beef with management is that they told him that they were not going after another QB, and that they were not actively trying to trade him. Given that it seems incredibly stupid to me in the first place, I can see where it would be difficult to try to explain that to the guy you are trying to get rid of, but as an "experienced" NFL guy, you should KNOW this stuff always gets out eventually, and that when it does you are going to look like even more of a schmuck. Gotta man up if you want the respect.Dumb part three is not massaging the situation even AFTER it blew up. SHOULD an NFL head coach have to coddle a player? In a perfect world, absolutely not. But come on. This is still a very YOUNG man you dealing with. He came into the league and has done really good things for the most part (don't want to overplay this, but I think most would agree that he has at least been as good as advertised). Then all of the sudden, the only head coach he has had in the NFL gets canned. His offensive coordinator (who he has had a lot of success with) gets canned. His best friend on the team is being actively shopped. And the year after he goes to the Pro Bowl, his brand new coach who he has NO relationship with has LIED to him, and has been actively trying to replace him. I mean what do you guys calling Cutler a baby and whiner really expect? As 25 year old multi-millionaire starting NFL QB coming off of a very successful season, how would YOU feel about what gone down in Denver this off-season? You'd be saying WTF too. And where is the team now? You've either got a very pissed off QB trying to "lead" your team, or even if you still want to dump him, you've just lowered his trade value since the league KNOWS he's dying to get out of your city. Either way, you've hosed yourself. Yes, a coach should run his team. He's he boss. But there is a REASON franchise QBs make MORE money than coaches. They are critical to a teams success to say the least. As a coach or a front office guy, you MIGHT give that a little thought.While I don't don't think Cutler as managed his end perfectly, I put the overall blame for this entire fiasco squarely on management. The whole things has been ridiculous.
:rolleyes: I agree totally. This reeks of the new guy coming in and putting his stamp on his team and letting everyone know he's the new sheriff in town. In the course of trying to do this he probably just blew up the team.
 
ConstruxBoy said:
GroveDiesel said:
Seems to me that both sides are screwing this one up. Cutler because he doesn't just realize it's a business and move on, McDaniels because he's screwed this up from Day 1.

Not sure how anyone could give McDaniels a pass on this one. He says that he wanted Cassel because he knew him, etc, and yet couldn't even get things together enough to offer NE more than a 2nd rounder for him? Seems to me that's saying that Cutler isn't even worth a 2nd rounder. Either that, or that McDaniels is so incompetent that he wasn't even able to get an offer into NE before the trade was made. Then he compounds the problem by lying and saying that they didn't try to trade for Cassel, then when it's clear that they did, he takes the hardline stance of saying that he'll trade anyone he wants at anytime.

And Cutler needs to stop crying to the media. If you're upset about the situation, tell them team behind closed doors that you want a trade and leave it at that. If they don't trade you, then they obviously want you for at least one more season. Play out of your mind this season and show them that they're idiots and THEN publicly demand a trade.
This is a great post, especially the bolded parts.
I agree with the bold, but I'm not following the italicized. I highly doubt they were going to offer better than KC's 2nd round pick for Cassel while Cutler was still on the roster. The Patriots sure weren't going to take Cutler in exchange for Cassel, so McDaniels needed to get another team or two involved, all willing to pay the right price in trades, all willing to trade with each other, and all the contracts had to work out. There's a reason we don't see many player for player deals and even less 3 team deals.
 
This whole thing reeks of mismanagement to me. I'm generally all for management taking the "hard line" with dip#### players when the situation merits it (and in most cases, it does).But this just makes no sense. First, why even go AFTER another QB in the first place? Just because the coach coached him before? You have a top shelf offense, and a bottom-feeding defense the year before, and you want your big splash in the offseason to be bringing in a new QB to replace the young talented QB you already have on contract (and CHEAP as well, I might add)? That's dumb part one.Dumb part two is lying to the face of your franchise. According to Cutler, his MAIN beef with management is that they told him that they were not going after another QB, and that they were not actively trying to trade him. Given that it seems incredibly stupid to me in the first place, I can see where it would be difficult to try to explain that to the guy you are trying to get rid of, but as an "experienced" NFL guy, you should KNOW this stuff always gets out eventually, and that when it does you are going to look like even more of a schmuck. Gotta man up if you want the respect.Dumb part three is not massaging the situation even AFTER it blew up. SHOULD an NFL head coach have to coddle a player? In a perfect world, absolutely not. But come on. This is still a very YOUNG man you dealing with. He came into the league and has done really good things for the most part (don't want to overplay this, but I think most would agree that he has at least been as good as advertised). Then all of the sudden, the only head coach he has had in the NFL gets canned. His offensive coordinator (who he has had a lot of success with) gets canned. His best friend on the team is being actively shopped. And the year after he goes to the Pro Bowl, his brand new coach who he has NO relationship with has LIED to him, and has been actively trying to replace him. I mean what do you guys calling Cutler a baby and whiner really expect? As 25 year old multi-millionaire starting NFL QB coming off of a very successful season, how would YOU feel about what gone down in Denver this off-season? You'd be saying WTF too. And where is the team now? You've either got a very pissed off QB trying to "lead" your team, or even if you still want to dump him, you've just lowered his trade value since the league KNOWS he's dying to get out of your city. Either way, you've hosed yourself. Yes, a coach should run his team. He's he boss. But there is a REASON franchise QBs make MORE money than coaches. They are critical to a teams success to say the least. As a coach or a front office guy, you MIGHT give that a little thought.While I don't don't think Cutler as managed his end perfectly, I put the overall blame for this entire fiasco squarely on management. The whole things has been ridiculous.
I like this post :lmao:
 
I think one thing for sure will come out of this and that is that McDaniels is going to have to at least be moderately successful this year and definitely successful the next year if he wants to have a job for more than 2 years. That's true whether Cutler is traded or not.

The Patriots' philosophy of "nobody is bigger than the team" has worked well for them. But if the team isn't successful, then everything is quickly going to fall to pieces. McDaniels may have had success under BB, but so have a lot of other coordinators that haven't panned out as head coaches. If McDaniels wants to take the hardline approach, he'd better pray that it works. If it doesn't, the players, fans and ownership will have him out so quick it will have his head spinning. And he'll never get another shot at a HC gig.

 
ConstruxBoy said:
GroveDiesel said:
Seems to me that both sides are screwing this one up. Cutler because he doesn't just realize it's a business and move on, McDaniels because he's screwed this up from Day 1.

Not sure how anyone could give McDaniels a pass on this one. He says that he wanted Cassel because he knew him, etc, and yet couldn't even get things together enough to offer NE more than a 2nd rounder for him? Seems to me that's saying that Cutler isn't even worth a 2nd rounder. Either that, or that McDaniels is so incompetent that he wasn't even able to get an offer into NE before the trade was made. Then he compounds the problem by lying and saying that they didn't try to trade for Cassel, then when it's clear that they did, he takes the hardline stance of saying that he'll trade anyone he wants at anytime.

And Cutler needs to stop crying to the media. If you're upset about the situation, tell them team behind closed doors that you want a trade and leave it at that. If they don't trade you, then they obviously want you for at least one more season. Play out of your mind this season and show them that they're idiots and THEN publicly demand a trade.
This is a great post, especially the bolded parts.
I agree with the bold, but I'm not following the italicized. I highly doubt they were going to offer better than KC's 2nd round pick for Cassel while Cutler was still on the roster. The Patriots sure weren't going to take Cutler in exchange for Cassel, so McDaniels needed to get another team or two involved, all willing to pay the right price in trades, all willing to trade with each other, and all the contracts had to work out. There's a reason we don't see many player for player deals and even less 3 team deals.
For New England to make the trade that they made (remember, they gave up Vrabel as well) as quickly as they made it, that tells me that the Patriots were never even contacted. If you think that you may have a 3 team trade, you would at least make sure that the Patriots are aware that they could be getting a better offer, right? The way that whole thing happened tells me that McDaniels was either way too slow on the trigger, or just royally screwed up somewhere.

 
This whole thing reeks of mismanagement to me. I'm generally all for management taking the "hard line" with dip#### players when the situation merits it (and in most cases, it does).But this just makes no sense. First, why even go AFTER another QB in the first place? Just because the coach coached him before? You have a top shelf offense, and a bottom-feeding defense the year before, and you want your big splash in the offseason to be bringing in a new QB to replace the young talented QB you already have on contract (and CHEAP as well, I might add)? That's dumb part one.Dumb part two is lying to the face of your franchise. According to Cutler, his MAIN beef with management is that they told him that they were not going after another QB, and that they were not actively trying to trade him. Given that it seems incredibly stupid to me in the first place, I can see where it would be difficult to try to explain that to the guy you are trying to get rid of, but as an "experienced" NFL guy, you should KNOW this stuff always gets out eventually, and that when it does you are going to look like even more of a schmuck. Gotta man up if you want the respect.Dumb part three is not massaging the situation even AFTER it blew up. SHOULD an NFL head coach have to coddle a player? In a perfect world, absolutely not. But come on. This is still a very YOUNG man you dealing with. He came into the league and has done really good things for the most part (don't want to overplay this, but I think most would agree that he has at least been as good as advertised). Then all of the sudden, the only head coach he has had in the NFL gets canned. His offensive coordinator (who he has had a lot of success with) gets canned. His best friend on the team is being actively shopped. And the year after he goes to the Pro Bowl, his brand new coach who he has NO relationship with has LIED to him, and has been actively trying to replace him. I mean what do you guys calling Cutler a baby and whiner really expect? As 25 year old multi-millionaire starting NFL QB coming off of a very successful season, how would YOU feel about what gone down in Denver this off-season? You'd be saying WTF too. And where is the team now? You've either got a very pissed off QB trying to "lead" your team, or even if you still want to dump him, you've just lowered his trade value since the league KNOWS he's dying to get out of your city. Either way, you've hosed yourself. Yes, a coach should run his team. He's he boss. But there is a REASON franchise QBs make MORE money than coaches. They are critical to a teams success to say the least. As a coach or a front office guy, you MIGHT give that a little thought.While I don't don't think Cutler as managed his end perfectly, I put the overall blame for this entire fiasco squarely on management. The whole things has been ridiculous.
:lmao: OUSTANDING SUMMARY!!!! :lmao: Cutler might be a little immature in this case...but it's still horrid management. Worse then horrid, because the thinking/decision making behind it is , at least in my (and many others') eyes, ridiculous (that Cassel would be a better QB for the Broncs, despite a 10 mil deal vs. a 1 mil deal).
 
Sinrman said:
Mmmm, Detroit takes the top OL with the 1.01 pick, then trades 1.20 to Denver for Cutler. They still have the 2.01 pick and go defense.Cutler to Calvin.... ohhh yeah I like the sound of that...
Nice job, but this isn't fantasy football.... :blackdot:I could see Cutler landing in DET, but certainly not under these circumstances....
What is wrong with those circumstances? Just curious....
 
I think one thing for sure will come out of this and that is that McDaniels is going to have to at least be moderately successful this year and definitely successful the next year if he wants to have a job for more than 2 years. That's true whether Cutler is traded or not.The Patriots' philosophy of "nobody is bigger than the team" has worked well for them. But if the team isn't successful, then everything is quickly going to fall to pieces. McDaniels may have had success under BB, but so have a lot of other coordinators that haven't panned out as head coaches. If McDaniels wants to take the hardline approach, he'd better pray that it works. If it doesn't, the players, fans and ownership will have him out so quick it will have his head spinning. And he'll never get another shot at a HC gig.
He might get another HC gig but to me this kind of reeks of another Mangini. The BB disciples seem to get their new gigs and try to be mini-BB's. BB has been in this game a long time and has earned that level of respect and like it or not I don't think a lot of these NFL players like these 32 year old coach's coming into their new jobs acting as if they are BB without proving a thing. Yes, they are smart, cerebral guys that know a ton about the game but there's more to coaching than X's and O's and you need to have a foundation of trust and earned respect especially if you are so young and new to an organization. I think some of the BB disciples view the players as chips on a poker table and leave some of the human aspect out of the game. That was always my thoughts on Mangini and it looks like McDaniels may be cut from the same cloth. I could be off base but that's my thought....
 
I just want to add that "it's just business" cuts both ways. You can't use that as a blanket defense for an organization and then complain when the player plays hardball in return.

Both sides are acting childish, but I lean heavily on Cutler's side of the story. Between Chris Mortensen and Peter King, we're getting two amazingly different accounts, though!

 
I just want to add that "it's just business" cuts both ways. You can't use that as a blanket defense for an organization and then complain when the player plays hardball in return.Both sides are acting childish, but I lean heavily on Cutler's side of the story. Between Chris Mortensen and Peter King, we're getting two amazingly different accounts, though!
Yeah, Peter King is good for bring out McDaniels' side of it, but I'm not sure I believe him that they weren't trying to actively get Cassel. Especially when you consider that he's brought in other former Pats and that it's the M.O. of most coaches from that "line" of coaches, from Parcells to Mangini. I just don't understand why McDaniels wouldn't just admit to Cutler that he was trying to get Cassel when the news first leaked out. Why not be honest and apologetic there and mend the bridge? My only thought is that as some DEN homers like Sonny have said, Cutler is really not that well liked in the community and by the team and the Broncos are trying to get rid of him while making it look like his fault? That might explain Bowlen staying silent.
 
For those in the "Cutler is childish" club, let me put this another way....

Cutler is the young employee, a kid really. But he's an important, critical employee who does stuff for the company that nobody else currently employed can do even half as well.

McDaniels is the manager. He's the older, experianced guy who's responsibility to the company is to get as much production as possible out of his employees, by whatever means necessary.

So...who has screwed up? The kid didn't go get caught with drugs or get in a bar-fight. He didn't sass the manager to start the problems. He did...well...what he was supposed to be doing.

Until the manager lied to him...then told him it was "just business".

Sorry...based on the information currently available, I can't see how anyone could realisticly blame the kid in this case. The manager should be fired.

 

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