Cutler will not report on Monday (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

It would say he doesn't want to play for McDaniels.

And what does that say about Cutler?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

It would say he doesn't want to play for McDaniels.

And what does that say about Cutler?

He wants to play for a coach that wants him as his QB?

 

[twitch]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

He chose to play his college football at Vanderbilt, despite being a perennial loser for years. That school didnt have a winning season in 20 years. Those 2 sets of decisions would pretty much speak for themselves, imho.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

Maybe it says he doesn't like being lied to, and he might not be lied to in Detroit.Maybe it says he wants to have the support of his coach (as in not actively trying to replace him), and he thinks he might get that in Detroit.Maybe it says he wouldn't mind throwing to Calvin Johnson.Maybe it says that even though he knows Detroit is in a bad way, Denver will suck too the way it is looking, so why not play for a team that would look at you as the guy who can lead them back to respectability rather than a team that thinks you are disposable?Maybe it says he wouldn't mind NOT making a little over $1M this year as one of the better young QBs in the game, when lesser players are signing some pretty nice deals all around him.Maybe it just says that he feels he has been completely undermined in Denver, and would be playing for and under a guy who clearly doesn't respect him, so ANYWHERE (even Detroit) would be better than that.And MAYBE, just maybe, Jay Cutler is just cocky enough to believe that he can make Detroit a good football team. I personally don't believe it, but anything's possible.Again, Cutler doesn't come out of this smelling like a rose, but he could thinking any or all of the above.

 

[sho nuff]

And Cutler needs to stop crying to the media. If you're upset about the situation, tell them team behind closed doors that you want a trade and leave it at that. If they don't trade you, then they obviously want you for at least one more season. Play out of your mind this season and show them that they're idiots and THEN publicly demand a trade.

This is Bus Cook's strategy with his players it seems.Use the media as much as possible to try and gain leverage.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

It would say he doesn't want to play for McDaniels.

And what does that say about Cutler?

He wants to play for a coach that wants him as his QB?

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

 

[Donnybrook]

On a side note, now the Vikes really look goofy for jumping at Rosenfels as if he was Johnny Unitas hitting free agency. Still shaking my head in disgust at the timing of that move that could have waited. There's no way they tell a guy he's competing to start, sign him to a 3-year deal, and still have the guts to go after a Cutler.

A 4th round pick does not equal to Johnny Unitas. You would prefer it if the Vikings were not to be interested in Cutler?

You're misunderstanding my post. I said they went after Rosenfels as if he were Unitas, not that they paid that way. I'm not following your second sentence. I said they won't seriously pursue him now that they've committed to Rosey. You disagree? Childress is going to be wrong about TJax and Rosenfels all in the same offseason? I didn't say I'd prefer it if they did not pursue Cutler, in fact I think I implied the opposite that it's a shame they probably won't.

Per KFFL,

Vikings | Expressed interest in CutlerMon, 02 Mar 2009 12:09:34 -0800Mike Klis, of The Denver Post, reports the Minnesota Vikings have expressed interest in acquiring Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler, according to a league source.

So it looks like the Vikings have looked at getting Cutler after Sage was acquired. I don't think that they are as deperate as other teams and maybe that is a good thing since I don't want to see another Hershal Walker type deal.

 

[Banger]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

It would say he doesn't want to play for McDaniels.

And what does that say about Cutler?

it says he doesn't trust and/or like McDaniels. What does that say about McDaniels?

 

[renesauz]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

It would say he doesn't want to play for McDaniels.

And what does that say about Cutler?

He wants to play for a coach that wants him as his QB?

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

 

[sho nuff]

On a side note, now the Vikes really look goofy for jumping at Rosenfels as if he was Johnny Unitas hitting free agency. Still shaking my head in disgust at the timing of that move that could have waited. There's no way they tell a guy he's competing to start, sign him to a 3-year deal, and still have the guts to go after a Cutler.

A 4th round pick does not equal to Johnny Unitas. You would prefer it if the Vikings were not to be interested in Cutler?

You're misunderstanding my post. I said they went after Rosenfels as if he were Unitas, not that they paid that way. I'm not following your second sentence. I said they won't seriously pursue him now that they've committed to Rosey. You disagree? Childress is going to be wrong about TJax and Rosenfels all in the same offseason? I didn't say I'd prefer it if they did not pursue Cutler, in fact I think I implied the opposite that it's a shame they probably won't.

Per KFFL,

Vikings | Expressed interest in CutlerMon, 02 Mar 2009 12:09:34 -0800Mike Klis, of The Denver Post, reports the Minnesota Vikings have expressed interest in acquiring Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler, according to a league source.

So it looks like the Vikings have looked at getting Cutler after Sage was acquired. I don't think that they are as deperate as other teams and maybe that is a good thing since I don't want to see another Hershal Walker type deal.

Might be about what it would take.Not sure the Vikes have enough to offer though.No solid QB in return...they don't have a high draft pick.Seems an unlikely place (thankfully as a Packer fan I would hate to see Cutler in Minny).

 

[moleculo]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

It would say he doesn't want to play for McDaniels.

And what does that say about Cutler?

He wants to play for a coach that wants him as his QB?

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

I think that w/o cutler, Detroit is probably a better team.Det D = Den DCalvin Johnson > Brandon MarshallKevin Smith > ???Only place where Denver is better than Detroit is OL. I suppose if Cutler goes to Detroit, it will be a good opportunity to see if sacks are a function of the QB (as Chase claims) or a function of the OL and playcalling.

 

[Banger]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

also, if Cutler is traded to Detroit are they that much worse than Denver? Who does Denver have that's any good? An aging Dawkins, an over rated CB and a troubled wr? Their offense was the only good part of that team and it was largely due to Cutler.

 

[Tybeeman]

This whole thing reeks of mismanagement to me. I'm generally all for management taking the "hard line" with dip#### players when the situation merits it (and in most cases, it does).But this just makes no sense. First, why even go AFTER another QB in the first place? Just because the coach coached him before? You have a top shelf offense, and a bottom-feeding defense the year before, and you want your big splash in the offseason to be bringing in a new QB to replace the young talented QB you already have on contract (and CHEAP as well, I might add)? That's dumb part one.Dumb part two is lying to the face of your franchise. According to Cutler, his MAIN beef with management is that they told him that they were not going after another QB, and that they were not actively trying to trade him. Given that it seems incredibly stupid to me in the first place, I can see where it would be difficult to try to explain that to the guy you are trying to get rid of, but as an "experienced" NFL guy, you should KNOW this stuff always gets out eventually, and that when it does you are going to look like even more of a schmuck. Gotta man up if you want the respect.Dumb part three is not massaging the situation even AFTER it blew up. SHOULD an NFL head coach have to coddle a player? In a perfect world, absolutely not. But come on. This is still a very YOUNG man you dealing with. He came into the league and has done really good things for the most part (don't want to overplay this, but I think most would agree that he has at least been as good as advertised). Then all of the sudden, the only head coach he has had in the NFL gets canned. His offensive coordinator (who he has had a lot of success with) gets canned. His best friend on the team is being actively shopped. And the year after he goes to the Pro Bowl, his brand new coach who he has NO relationship with has LIED to him, and has been actively trying to replace him. I mean what do you guys calling Cutler a baby and whiner really expect? As 25 year old multi-millionaire starting NFL QB coming off of a very successful season, how would YOU feel about what gone down in Denver this off-season? You'd be saying WTF too. And where is the team now? You've either got a very pissed off QB trying to "lead" your team, or even if you still want to dump him, you've just lowered his trade value since the league KNOWS he's dying to get out of your city. Either way, you've hosed yourself. Yes, a coach should run his team. He's he boss. But there is a REASON franchise QBs make MORE money than coaches. They are critical to a teams success to say the least. As a coach or a front office guy, you MIGHT give that a little thought.While I don't don't think Cutler as managed his end perfectly, I put the overall blame for this entire fiasco squarely on management. The whole things has been ridiculous.

Excellent post.Looks like the only common thread between McDaniels' and his mentor BB, is the arrogance.

 

[flapgreen]

Now asking for a trade. This has turned out to be a disaster on both sides. Sorry McDaniels. You have screwed up your 1st coaching opportunity badly. Ugh

 

[PatsWillWin]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

 

[Toads]

From the Sporting News:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

The story bye-line on the Sporting News boards reads "Jay Cutler told Chris Mortensen of ESPN tha he doesn't trust Josh McDaniel and wants to be traded."

 

[Joe Bryant]

From the Sporting News:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

Thanks toads.Wow, that's pretty big. I am a little surprised to see it turn this bad.

J

 

[Banger]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

I'm not a Cutler owner, I'm a SD fan and I think both sides have handled it pretty poorly but if I had to choose a side I'd choose Cutler's side.

 

[Bankerguy]

"5 stars"

 

[omally]

I think it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and Jay Cutler who is a millionaire is pitching a complete hissy fit, because his ego got bruised. boo hoo

 

[thesurfshop19]

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

You have got to be kidding me.I was about to submit virtually an identical post.

Really fascinating will all of the angles here. Add in fans of teams who want Cutler, and this is absolutely fascinating.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

I'm not a Cutler owner, I'm a SD fan and I think both sides have handled it pretty poorly but if I had to choose a side I'd choose Cutler's side.

You could have waited a couple of posts to destroy my premise. Point taken, but I think if you read the 3 or 4 threads on this, you'll see those general leanings.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

You have got to be kidding me.I was about to submit virtually an identical post.

Really fascinating will all of the angles here. Add in fans of teams who want Cutler, and this is absolutely fascinating.

Great minds think alike! :highfive:

 

[thesurfshop19]

I think it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and Jay Cutler who is a millionaire is pitching a complete hissy fit, because his ego got bruised. boo hoo

Hey, it's just business. The team should deal with it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Major gaffe by McDaniels on this one though. Huge error in my opinion.

J

 

[moleculo]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

I'm a bronco fan first and Cutler owner second. I'm really just disgusted with this whole mess - that's my perspective.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

This situation is fascinating for me because of the different factions of people on this board supporting one thing or another. You have the Cutler owners (who are generally pro-Cutler), you have the SD/Rivers fans (who are pretty much anti-Cutler), you have the NE fans (who are pretty much pro-McDaniels) and you have GB/Favre fans (who are pretty much anti-Bus Cook). It's like we need a program so we can understand where each poster is coming from, LOL.

I'm a bronco fan first and Cutler owner second. I'm really just disgusted with this whole mess - that's my perspective.

I don't blame you at all. It's pretty stupid on both sides.

 

[omahabrad]

Saturday at McDaniels office

McDaniels: Morning Jay.

Cutler: Morning

McDaniels: sorry about this whole fiasco, lets put this whole thing behind us and start over.

Cutler:That sounds great. I was hoping we get past this........

Meeting is ending Jay is about to leave.....

McDaniels: Oh Jay, one thing..

Cutler: What?

McDaniels: I'm still going to trade you, if I can....

 

[Ozymandias]

I think it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and Jay Cutler who is a millionaire is pitching a complete hissy fit, because his ego got bruised. boo hoo

I think you forgot to add the people dying of malnutrition in Africa, the 5 year old kid dying of leukemia, and the kid whose puppy got run over.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been defending McDaniels for the most part, but I certainly don't think he's handled this well, I just think it's for different reasons than most.

First, I don't think there's anything wrong with McDaniels trying to trade for Cassel, and ship Cutler out. When I say "nothing wrong," I'm not necessarily endorsing it as the best football move (though it may be, I think Cutler is pretty over-rated), I just mean it's certainly his perrogative, and I really don't think Jay Cutler has done enough in the NFL to get all offended that he, the Great Jay Cutler, could be traded.

Second, I don't think there's anything wrong with lying to Cutler about trying to trade him. There are sound reasons why you might not want Cutler finding out that he was being shopped, and I honestly don't think players have some kind of "right" to be privy to every trade option that the front office explores. Just how I feel about it.

Now, where McDaniels has screwed up is in the application of these things. First, if you're going to trade your very popular quarterback, you better make damn sure that you actually pull it off. Failing to trade for Cassel when he just went for a 2nd, is a pretty big blunder. There's been some questions posed by some, myself included, about how thorough a job the Patriots did in shopping Cassel, but generally speaking, everyone on the planet knew that Cassel was going to be traded this off-season, so how about being a little pro-active? Trying to trade for Cassel, and thus trade Cutler, and failing, is a huge mis-step IMO.

Secondly, you did a poor job lying to Cutler. Either that, or Cutler is just assuming it's BS, and using it as an excuse to throw a hissy fit, and maybe get a new contract somewhere. Either way, as the head coach, it's your job to keep your players productive, and you have to know that Cutler is the kind of guy who is going to get his panties in a bunch about the fact that he was involved in trade talks.

Finally, and this is something Mangini did too - not every coach can pull of the Belichick approach. I think the way Belichik handles things works great, and I understand why Mangini and McDaniels want to emulate it - but it never seemed like a personality fit with Mangini, it always came off as artificial and not very believable, and he wasn't even trying to trade a franchise-type QB. I think McDaniels should take a hard-line approach to most things, but this is a special situation, and needs to, at least behind closed doors, handled with a little more tact and diplomacy.

I don't let Cutler off the hook for acting like a total baby about the whole thing, but the situation should never have happened - either trade Cutler, or don't, and lie to him effectively, or don't. It's just gone alllllll wrong from an implementation standpoint.

 

[Donnybrook]

I wonder if McDaneils would like Kevin Kolb as his new QB. IRCC, Kolb was sucessfull in a similar type offense in college. I wonder what it would take to pry him away from the Eagles.

over

 

[renesauz]

So having a starting job and being paid millions of dollars ONE MIL, approximately 15% of what most similar QB's get paid to play quarterback for the Broncos isn't being "wanted" enough for him and so necessary is it for Cutler to feel like his coach thinks he's the best possible QB for that team, he is willing to go play for the laughing stock of the NFL to feel sufficiently "wanted."

fixedand added....so wanted they tried to trade him for another team's backup

Calling Cassel a backup is an ridiculous misrepresentation of the facts, and it reveals how biased you are here.Also, I like how Cutler being unhappy with a contract that he signed that had nothing to do with McDaniels is somehow a justification for him refusing to play for McDaniels.

Your right on the first point..calling Cassel a "backup" is a misrepresentation on my part.You're confused on the second. You basicly said Cutler is paid millions to play...so he should. I simply pointed out that he's well underpaid in comparison to the norm for his talent and position.

To be clear...I don't believe Cutler's contract has a lot to do with this whole fiasco. Performance bonuses and a 2010 roster bonus make his contract better looking then the 1 million figure suggests. Perhaps I wasn't clear in saying it, but his pay is not good enough to be the reason to "make nice" because his pay is well under the norm.

 

[Loopdog]

Anyone else feel like the Agent might be behind all of this and angling for a way to get Cutler out of Denver? I've never seen a situation where both sides have such vastly differing opinions on what happened.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels emphatically denies Jay Cutler's comments that the coach "made it clear" he could still entertain trading Cutler and that he wants his own guy at quarterback.

"Oh boy," McDaniels said. "No, no, no. Nothing like that was conveyed." The coach's and the player's versions of their Saturday meeting continue to be bizarrely at odds. Asked if he thinks he'll be forced to trade Cutler, McDaniels responded: "No. He's got three years left on his contract. We're not at the point where we're going to do it now ... [but] it's probably something we're going to have to talk about."

It's he said she said and every time this happens, it normally can be traced back to the agent filling the players head with thoughts of grandeur and how great they are and how much the team needs them and blah blah blah. I can't see any other reason why Cutler would be acting this way besides him getting bad advice and counsel.

 

[pantherclub]

As I said in previous thread:

Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.

Problem solved.

Whats wrong with that screnario

 

[PatsWillWin]

As I said in previous thread:

Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.

Problem solved.

Whats wrong with that screnario

It leaves Denver with Chris Simms as their starting quarterback.

 

[moleculo]

As I said in previous thread: Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.Problem solved.Whats wrong with that screnario

cutler>peppers.A better trade: Cutler for Peppers + Carolina's 1st and maybe 2nd.

 

[chook]

Anyone else feel like the Agent might be behind all of this and angling for a way to get Cutler out of Denver? I've never seen a situation where both sides have such vastly differing opinions on what happened.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels emphatically denies Jay Cutler's comments that the coach "made it clear" he could still entertain trading Cutler and that he wants his own guy at quarterback.

"Oh boy," McDaniels said. "No, no, no. Nothing like that was conveyed." The coach's and the player's versions of their Saturday meeting continue to be bizarrely at odds. Asked if he thinks he'll be forced to trade Cutler, McDaniels responded: "No. He's got three years left on his contract. We're not at the point where we're going to do it now ... [but] it's probably something we're going to have to talk about."

It's he said she said and every time this happens, it normally can be traced back to the agent filling the players head with thoughts of grandeur and how great they are and how much the team needs them and blah blah blah. I can't see any other reason why Cutler would be acting this way besides him getting bad advice and counsel.

Not that I would trust an agent as far as I could throw him, but who's to say McDaniels isn't lying when he says this also? Not telling the truth doesn't seem to phase this guy whatsoever.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I've been defending McDaniels for the most part, but I certainly don't think he's handled this well, I just think it's for different reasons than most.Second, I don't think there's anything wrong with lying to Cutler about trying to trade him. There are sound reasons why you might not want Cutler finding out that he was being shopped, and I honestly don't think players have some kind of "right" to be privy to every trade option that the front office explores. Just how I feel about it.

You really believe that lying to your starting QB and ostensibly one of your best players is an effective management strategy? Especially when history has shown that the kind of lie we are talking about almost always come out eventually?I guess if he (Cutler) were on a different team right now, he'd (McD) be in a better situation - I'll grant you that much. But things don't always go as planned obviously, and even if Cutler WAS gone at this point, you don't think he still has friends on the team that might be interested in hearing that they can't trust their head coach to tell them the truth? There were other ways it could have been handled.I guess I am naive, but I wouldn't want a team (of any kind) I was leading to think (know) I was a liar. Effective authority/leadership is generally based on respect and lying to your team members doesn't generally add to the respect that team has for you. Why listen to a guy when you know for certain that what he is saying could be complete BS?

 

[sho nuff]

As I said in previous thread: Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.Problem solved.Whats wrong with that screnario

In what world is a young franchise type QB not worth enough to get Peppers on his own?Umm...pretty sure it would be Carolina needing to pony up a pick to get Cutler in with that deal.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

As I said in previous thread: Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.Problem solved.Whats wrong with that screnario

cutler>peppers.A better trade: Cutler for Peppers + Carolina's 1st and maybe 2nd.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been defending McDaniels for the most part, but I certainly don't think he's handled this well, I just think it's for different reasons than most.Second, I don't think there's anything wrong with lying to Cutler about trying to trade him. There are sound reasons why you might not want Cutler finding out that he was being shopped, and I honestly don't think players have some kind of "right" to be privy to every trade option that the front office explores. Just how I feel about it.

You really believe that lying to your starting QB and ostensibly one of your best players is an effective management strategy? Especially when history has shown that the kind of lie we are talking about almost always come out eventually?

Not if you don't do it effectively. I think I was pretty clear about that.If McDaniels thinks that Player X is an upgrade over Cutler, and also knows that Cutler is going to throw a tantrum if he finds this fact out, what is McDaniels supposed to do? Not pursue that player to (in his opinion) the detriment of the team? No - try to get the player, and really make sure you get the deal done. If you fail at that, lie about it like there's no tomorrow. McDaniels screwed up both of these things, and that's what I blame him for.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Anyone else feel like the Agent might be behind all of this and angling for a way to get Cutler out of Denver? I've never seen a situation where both sides have such vastly differing opinions on what happened.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels emphatically denies Jay Cutler's comments that the coach "made it clear" he could still entertain trading Cutler and that he wants his own guy at quarterback.

"Oh boy," McDaniels said. "No, no, no. Nothing like that was conveyed." The coach's and the player's versions of their Saturday meeting continue to be bizarrely at odds. Asked if he thinks he'll be forced to trade Cutler, McDaniels responded: "No. He's got three years left on his contract. We're not at the point where we're going to do it now ... [but] it's probably something we're going to have to talk about."

It's he said she said and every time this happens, it normally can be traced back to the agent filling the players head with thoughts of grandeur and how great they are and how much the team needs them and blah blah blah. I can't see any other reason why Cutler would be acting this way besides him getting bad advice and counsel.

Not that I would trust an agent as far as I could throw him, but who's to say McDaniels isn't lying when he says this also? Not telling the truth doesn't seem to phase this guy whatsoever.

yeah, I said that in another post. Not sure why we would take McDaniels' word at face value in this any more than we'd take Cutler's, especially given his prior employer is known for "misleading" people.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Would Cutler prefer to be traded to Detroit? And if so, what does that say about Cutler?

He chose to play his college football at Vanderbilt, despite being a perennial loser for years. That school didnt have a winning season in 20 years. Those 2 sets of decisions would pretty much speak for themselves, imho.

vandy is an excellent college, probably went there more for the education, remember choosing a college has alot more to do with schooling than football for some people, regardless of football talent. The detroit thing tells you that he wants out bad and Detroit certainly has the ammo to trade with Denver

 

[ConstruxBoy]

As I said in previous thread: Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.Problem solved.Whats wrong with that screnario

In what world is a young franchise type QB not worth enough to get Peppers on his own?Umm...pretty sure it would be Carolina needing to pony up a pick to get Cutler in with that deal.

When his own management has torn him down enough to lower his value and "force" a trade?

 

[omally]

As I said in previous thread: Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.Problem solved.Whats wrong with that screnario

cutler>peppers.A better trade: Cutler for Peppers + Carolina's 1st and maybe 2nd.

Carolina doesn't have a 1st round pick for 2009. I'm not a big Cutler fan myself. I don't like his arrogance, and I think he lacks leadership. I also noticed last year when the Panthers played the Bronco's, Cutlers demeanor during the second half was like that of someone giving up. He hanged his head on the field, and noticeably looked like he stopped giving 100%, and just wanted to go home.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

As I said in previous thread: Peppers for Cutler and Denver's 2nd Round.Problem solved.Whats wrong with that screnario

cutler>peppers.A better trade: Cutler for Peppers + Carolina's 1st and maybe 2nd.

really mole? come on cutler is valuable but not that valuable

 

[fatness]

I think it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and Jay Cutler who is a millionaire is pitching a complete hissy fit, because his ego got bruised. boo hoo

You can just as easily say it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and the Denver Broncos are treating a productive valuable employee like an expendable piece of office furniture.

 

[tommyGunZ]

On a side note, now the Vikes really look goofy for jumping at Rosenfels as if he was Johnny Unitas hitting free agency. Still shaking my head in disgust at the timing of that move that could have waited. There's no way they tell a guy he's competing to start, sign him to a 3-year deal, and still have the guts to go after a Cutler.

A 4th round pick does not equal to Johnny Unitas. You would prefer it if the Vikings were not to be interested in Cutler?

You're misunderstanding my post. I said they went after Rosenfels as if he were Unitas, not that they paid that way. I'm not following your second sentence. I said they won't seriously pursue him now that they've committed to Rosey. You disagree? Childress is going to be wrong about TJax and Rosenfels all in the same offseason? I didn't say I'd prefer it if they did not pursue Cutler, in fact I think I implied the opposite that it's a shame they probably won't.

Per KFFL,

Vikings | Expressed interest in CutlerMon, 02 Mar 2009 12:09:34 -0800Mike Klis, of The Denver Post, reports the Minnesota Vikings have expressed interest in acquiring Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler, according to a league source.

So it looks like the Vikings have looked at getting Cutler after Sage was acquired. I don't think that they are as deperate as other teams and maybe that is a good thing since I don't want to see another Hershal Walker type deal.

So does Sage now throw a hissy fit, refuse to report to mini camp, and demand to be traded? I mean, the Vikings are expressing interest in acquiring another QB - his feelings have to be hurt.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and Jay Cutler who is a millionaire is pitching a complete hissy fit, because his ego got bruised. boo hoo

You can just as easily say it's disgusting that millions of people are being laid off in America, and the Denver Broncos are treating a productive valuable employee like an expendable piece of office furniture.

Actually I don't see any connection here.