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Matt Waldman
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
"Williams was my No.2 receiver in the 2010 Rookie Scouting Portfolio. His fluid athleticism made the USC receiver a player I think has potential to develop into a player of Donald Driver’s skill sets: ..."
And he scored a TD. Did not know that.
is this a flyer or a definite pickup given the space?
And he scored a TD. Did not know that.
is this a flyer or a definite pickup given the space?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Hopefully this article will help me sell him in the dynasty league I have him.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Not a fan?
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
D Williams is an interesting player right now to me.
You look at the upcoming schedule and the avg. fantasy points the defenses have given up to opposing WRs and he could be a solid sleeper for weekly points for the rest of the season.
I am in a very deep league (12 teams, 20 players, start 4 WR/TEs), so that impacts the consideration, but Id be lying if I said I wasn't considering taking a flyer out on him.
You look at the upcoming schedule and the avg. fantasy points the defenses have given up to opposing WRs and he could be a solid sleeper for weekly points for the rest of the season.
I am in a very deep league (12 teams, 20 players, start 4 WR/TEs), so that impacts the consideration, but Id be lying if I said I wasn't considering taking a flyer out on him.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok, got him.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/11160/damian-williams-titans-return-man
{Link from above linked article}.
he's in Britt's spot in what apparently is an offense determined to pass.
He's scored two straight weeks. He's improved two straight weeks.
And he fell in the draft not unlike Mike Williams last year due to the dreaded character issues.
Could be something.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/11160/damian-williams-titans-return-man
{Link from above linked article}.
he's in Britt's spot in what apparently is an offense determined to pass.
He's scored two straight weeks. He's improved two straight weeks.
And he fell in the draft not unlike Mike Williams last year due to the dreaded character issues.
Could be something.
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Flying Elvis
Footballguy
I've got my fingers crossed. $13 (13%) was enough to secure him for a team that features Marshall & AJ Green as WR1 / WR2 (not necessarily in that order) and then I added Clayton. Manningham / Floyd / Marshall & now Williams / Clayton . . . won't somebody please step up? lol
zamboni
Footballguy
Unfortunate for Britt, but his injury was definitely a good omen for Damien.
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audiolover
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
There are at least a dozen WRs with more points than him, but since the popular guys like DHB (by me), Baldwin, Little, Breaston, Cruz were all gone, I picked up Williams somewhat pre-emptively. I like his situation and Cook seems to drop half of his targets, and Hass looks 10 years younger so far this year.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I'm going to give this a bump.
After researching I think this guys is a sleeper going forward (barring any trades), available in 95% of leagues and I will explain why.
First, he has officially been moved into Britt's role. The Tennessean reports he is being pushed by the coaches as they expect more plays out of him. That means he should get red zone looks and has scored two weeks in a row.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111013/SPORTS01/310130049/Titans-want-more-from-Williams?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s
Second, his schedule is relatively soft for WRs. Going forward, the defenses he will be facing are ranked (as far as fantasy points allowed to WRs) - 12th, 7th, 29th, 25th, 3rd, 16th, and 8th. Playoff schedule - 17th, 7th, 28th. (1st is worst). I understand it is up and down, but overall I think the 2nd year WR has the size and speed to match up with the corners he will be facing (at minimum, the $2 CB on each team).
Third, he will get opportunity. His targets have been increasing and Tennessee is going to have to throw to win games.
Hass makes this all go. So if he goes down, throw this out. But I can say that for every good passing team in the league. Hass has been as good as anyone getting rid of the ball quickly.
Just my take.
After researching I think this guys is a sleeper going forward (barring any trades), available in 95% of leagues and I will explain why.
First, he has officially been moved into Britt's role. The Tennessean reports he is being pushed by the coaches as they expect more plays out of him. That means he should get red zone looks and has scored two weeks in a row.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111013/SPORTS01/310130049/Titans-want-more-from-Williams?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s
Second, his schedule is relatively soft for WRs. Going forward, the defenses he will be facing are ranked (as far as fantasy points allowed to WRs) - 12th, 7th, 29th, 25th, 3rd, 16th, and 8th. Playoff schedule - 17th, 7th, 28th. (1st is worst). I understand it is up and down, but overall I think the 2nd year WR has the size and speed to match up with the corners he will be facing (at minimum, the $2 CB on each team).
Third, he will get opportunity. His targets have been increasing and Tennessee is going to have to throw to win games.
Hass makes this all go. So if he goes down, throw this out. But I can say that for every good passing team in the league. Hass has been as good as anyone getting rid of the ball quickly.
Just my take.
CentralPA
Footballguy
Picked him up off the wire this week. Desperate for help for the rest of the season I hope you are right in your analysis!
I just picked him up in a dynasty league and I'm wondering about his actual talent level. I watched a neat little youtube video (
) that made him out to be the second coming of Calvin Johnson, obviously he isn't in that league. Realistically though what level of talent does he possess? All the talk about his situation and what his role on the team may be is all well and good, but honestly I feel like it all comes down to what level of talent he has that will determine his long term fate.
) that made him out to be the second coming of Calvin Johnson, obviously he isn't in that league. Realistically though what level of talent does he possess? All the talk about his situation and what his role on the team may be is all well and good, but honestly I feel like it all comes down to what level of talent he has that will determine his long term fate.
dickey moe
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Freaky deaky
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Have Brandon Lloyd and picked up Damian Williams. Really hoping Lloyd doesnt land in Tennessee as that would hurt both of their value IMO.
Seems like a pretty decent ceiling for Damian. Good thread.
Seems like a pretty decent ceiling for Damian. Good thread.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Your league must be pretty crazy if people were picking up Williams when he had 2 catches for 24yds on the yearWaldman wrote that last week'Bri said:
Crazy? When Britt went down williams was the obvious replacement wasnt he? In my dynasty salary cap league i got him the week britt went down. Havent started him yet, but hes getting more involved each week, and he could become an every week starter before too long.
No, when Britt went down, Washington appeared to be the obvious replacement. He was getting more targets, was executing the offense better, and had more experience. Washington was gone in my main league, but Williams was available (still is), and we roster 264 players in that league (non-IDP). I don't think that league is that unusual, as he was only owned in a little over 8% of MFL leagues last week.
whodeywhodey
Footballguy
I picked him up Sept 30th.
Well, Nate Washington was already on the field, so what i meant was the obvious replacement to take Britt's starting position. So at the very worst he was expected to be a starting wr, and if you were optimistic like me uou were hoping hed see a lot of the touches that britt saw before he got hurt.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I drafted him as my first WR. I knew Hass was going to have a career year, Britt was going get hurt and Williams would be the replacement.
Grand Poobah
Footballguy
crowe1130
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Krilons Resa
Footballguy
I'm completely riding the caboose of this train. 
I drafted Williams in FBG Survivor, but otherwise he was a WW pickup 2-3 weeks ago.He was hurt with a hammy to open the season and didn't really get going til 2 weeks ago, then last week. He was drafted to start opposite Britt and he was expected to do so this year. You know how the WW goes and all...I mean a starting WR is a starting WR at some points. I'm not pretending everyone adored the guy, but amidst other teams' 3rd and 4th WRs on the WW, Damian looked good. Nate is a complimentary WR that can play very well as a "#2" and in the slot. He's sorta made for that. I never saw this as Damian versus Nate at all.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
I took Jackie Battle #1 overall.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Bri
Known you for years on this board. You are one of the few people i know is ahead of the curve. The tools laughing just can't believe anyone is so far ahead of them on the curve.
There are a string of comments that have added nothing to this thread but garbage to sift through.
Welcome to the pool tools. Just can't resist seeing your own posts I guess.
First rule of not being a tool - when you post, add something constructive. The first joke was funny. Not nearly as funny the 17th time.
Known you for years on this board. You are one of the few people i know is ahead of the curve. The tools laughing just can't believe anyone is so far ahead of them on the curve.
There are a string of comments that have added nothing to this thread but garbage to sift through.
Welcome to the pool tools. Just can't resist seeing your own posts I guess.
First rule of not being a tool - when you post, add something constructive. The first joke was funny. Not nearly as funny the 17th time.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
No offense intended. But there is some good information in this thread. It would have been nice to keep that going.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
jantoniosus
Footballguy
I am in a 14 teamer and they are sharp, but not sharks... I am going to keep an eye on this thread and Williams till the end of sunday games till I make a move. I hope it stays useful, as I have noticed that there has been a lot more crap now days than usefulness..
lets keep the info coming!!!
lets keep the info coming!!!
Warrior
Footballguy
hostile
Footballguy
Not crazy. You have to take league size into account, I think.He hasnt been available in 6 out of the 7 dynasty leagues I play in since his rookie draft (obviously, all dynasty). He was only available this year in one of my leagues, and in that league we have small rosters (only 25).Of course, the *reason* he hasnt been available is that I drafted him in every league I could his rookie year based solely on Matt's RSP. I also snapped him up when Britt went down in my short roster league. Most people know who the obvious good WRs are, but Williams is a prime example of why FBG's is such a good resource. He was a great college receiver who people seemingly forgot about. I wouldnt have thought of stashing a guy like Williams if it werent for Matt's RSP.Props to Wildman and his RSP!
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I suppose analysis would depend on the size/structure of your league and size of your bench. Of that group, I think Little could turn out to be the most physically gifted. A beast. In today's NFL I like to see the ridiculous speed at the #1 in a west coast (D Jackson comes to mind). However, it may take a couple more seasons to adjust to the speed of the NFL. I think Little has the highest ceiling. Physically, he is alot like Britt. Crabtree is coming off an injury and it remains to be seen how he recovers, but I love what I see from Captain Comeback's offensive scheme. He did great things with nothing when he was in Indy (as the QB) and he is showing why. His football acumen os off the charts. If nothing else, that could hoist Crabtree higher than the other two faster. I expect Crabtree to be a valuable endzone and 3rd down target. However, I think the ceiling is lower with Harbaugh the coach because Captain Comeback will have the ball spread around. Little will be option A.Alexander is the one I know the least about so I will refrain from commenting without more research. I just haven't seen enough of the scheme or the player to comment.Having said all that, Williams has the physical skill set similar to Britt (albiet a little smaller) to succeed, but I think its too early to make any real conclusions as far as comparisons to the others. Give me 4 weeks after the bye. At that point I should have a little more to base an opinion on for this year and next. Right now I would say, from what I read, he still needs to work on conditioning and not taking plays off. But Williams has a great opportunity to do big things this year with Hass dealing the ball, Nate's emergence and Britt's injury. The question is whether he has the ability now to take advantage. Regardless, this should only help his long term development.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=614877&st=0&p=13613407&hl=damian%20williams&fromsearch=1entry13613407
We were talking about getting him in this forum, back when he had 2 for 24...
We were talking about getting him in this forum, back when he had 2 for 24...
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
People were talking Hawkins too (not sure why)This cat was omly 7% owned in CBS leagues THIS week after two decent outings.Congrats to those way ahead of the cureve on this one. You could grab him now and still be way ahead of most of the curve
Sabertooth
Footballguy
My thoughts. Little is a rookie but he's a freaking beast. I think Damian Williams will be more consistent for two reasons. Reason one is that he's got Hasselbeck at QB and that means a more even game from him. Secondly, rookies are kind of up and down. Crabtree is injured and to be honest, he's starting to appear to either be too soft for the NFL or his body just doesn't respond well when he is really injured. I guess it could be bad luck. Crabtree is one of those guys who I remember being on the cover of ESPN magazine in a cast during draft time and he's pretty much been hurt ever since. I don't expect that to change.Danario Alexander is going to be a poor man's Jordy Nelson. He'll have games where he gets targets, but they will be hard to predict. Especially if Brandon Lloyd and Mark Clayton arrive and can get up to speed. I don't really like him a ton. He's literally on his last legs after refusing surgery this offseason. I doubt he finishes out the season.I think out of your list that Williams and Little are a crapshoot with Williams being my preference because I believe he'll be more consistent. I think then I'd take Crabtree and then Alexander, neither of whom I like much at all.
we've got 2 or 3 posts saying this. Snowman about Little, others were about Williams. Other was skillset or...something else.IMO Britt is one of the best "physical specimen" WRs in a long time-since Calvin? There's times that his arms look 10 feet long and his huge hands so soft that he reminds ya of Dr. J in hoops. He looks slow ala Moss and takes these big strides and seems to blow by some defender as if they were running in sand. He can leap like a hoops player like young Plax.Britt doesn't always seem to work on his game. If he were Rice-like he'd probably be one of the best ever. He's not and we wind up with whatever effort he's put in developing. Anyhow, I just don't think many in the NFL are as physically blessed as Britt. Damian still has some nerves, but reminds me more of Steve Smith(NYG/PHI) than some big graceful giant with soft hands. He's much more a tactician than Britt is or ever will be. There's a reliability to his game. Maybe that is because that's how his role developed in TEN. They both went to USC, maybe they had a similar role there. Whatever the case, I don't think Williams is like Britt.Little looks raw to me. He's not comfy yet and I can't tell what type of WR he's like. I think there is a correlation to Titans WRs and Browns WRs.As an uncomfortable rook, he's better than everyone but Mass because he actually catches the ball. We have 1000 conversations here about WRs and so many on the Titans and Browns had a ridiculous number of drops last year. A WR is pretty useless if he drops the ball. I don't get it. Concentration? Nerves? Whatever...some of these guys should be cut or spend weeks with the Juggs machine. It doesn't appear that McCoy, Collins(last year), or Hasselbeck throw it super-hard and thus it's difficult to grab. IMO Little is going to be their #2 real fast. Last Browns game I saw he was typical rook-maybe third WR maybe fourth but they were making time for him; making it a point to get him in there more and more. You "can't" watch Robiskie and tell me Little won't be starting real quick.Last year, Williams was the only one NOT dropping passes left and right. It was very frustrating. Gage is gone. Nate's got it together. Hawkins is the same depth he was, but he is catching the ball now. Britt was so annoying! If you saw that Philly game where he had 200 or so yards, you saw an easy gimme pass that Hass could have thrown underhanded to him and somehow he dropped it. Since day one, Britt made these circus catches and somehow dropped the gimmes. Anyhow, he was fine this year on the gimmes and things seemed to really come together for him.I expect the Browns to go through a very similar transition as the Titans WRs from 2010-2011. IDK what happened in camp, with the coaching, or what not. I soooo only began to mention the frustration watching WRs drop the ball. (Yes we've been over Titans drop stats and many here disagree with them) The Browns have new coaches and Mass seems better(some) Cribbs did too. Robiskie...yeah well maybe he's sent packing. My pointWhen you are soooo frustrated with the drops while watching the game, Little and Williams are so sweet to see. It's pathetic, no doubt, but it's still very nice. It can't be that only the fans notice, the coaches have to have some similar feeling re-frustration and the ones catching. Mass and Britt drop plenty despite making nice plays too. My prediction is that Little and Williams will be appreciated for a long time and that each team has their #2 WR now. I'd grab both in dynasty and don't think it's worth the trouble to try and decipher who would be better. You're better off trading for the one you don't have. I think you'll see it in Williams this year and in Little next year
thank you
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Some good info in this thread. Really appreciate the notice and info on guys like this. Was able to get Williams off waivers this week in a 10 team, 22 man roster dynasty. I'll admit I didn't know much before this thread. I had heard of him, but assumed Hawkins was the #2 there. He seems really fluid in his game. You have to like a guy like this in dynasty because they also drafted a QB high this year in Locker. Although I'm not a fan of his per se, I've been wrong on QBs coming into the league before, and if he hits it could mean years of good production for Williams. You also have to factor the injury aspect now into Britt's already troublesome history which could mean even more production and targets for someone else in Tennessee.
Good stuff guys. Threads like this can really make a difference in someone's team.
Good stuff guys. Threads like this can really make a difference in someone's team.
Frank Black
Footballguy
This thread has both great insight by some and trash by others. For those of you who are focused on being comedians without offering analysis or meaningful commentary, bugger off. For those of you who have offered meaningful commentary, thanks!
This is the part of the FF season where it's real hard to find emerging players on the WW. Any insight is valuable and it's a shame that we have to shift through garbage in these threads to get to the insight.
This is the part of the FF season where it's real hard to find emerging players on the WW. Any insight is valuable and it's a shame that we have to shift through garbage in these threads to get to the insight.
FWIW for this I'd guess Mariani or someone not yet there.Mariani is 5-4 and 100 pounds, maybe a little more
but gives an effort like few others ever have. It would be difficult not to like him, but he simply isn't blessed with a 6-4 frame and all.
buck naked
Footballguy
I agree on thanking those for the quality analysis and discussion in this thread. I went hard after Damian in all leagues yesterday and got him almost everywhere I tried. Thanks!
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I'm a little concerned damien had his 6/66 on 11 targets when hasselbeck threw the ball 50x.
that probably won't happen very often, although I guess it's the completions that matter, and he's already had a couple comparable games there.
that probably won't happen very often, although I guess it's the completions that matter, and he's already had a couple comparable games there.
FunkyTeaParty
Footballguy
We are allowed larger rosters in the offseason of my dynasty league and Williams (and Andre Roberts) was one of my last cuts when I had to pare it down.
I got him back last week and with how thin my offense has become he may be put into my lineup a lot faster than the normal FA pickup.
I got him back last week and with how thin my offense has become he may be put into my lineup a lot faster than the normal FA pickup.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
What do you guys project his stats to be for the rest of the season?
I've got Vincent Jackson and Larry Fitzgerald on bye this week so I need to start Manningham but if he doesn't produce this week I am thinking of dropping Manningham for Williams. Will Williams produce better than Manningham,Avant, Crabtree, Little?
I've got Vincent Jackson and Larry Fitzgerald on bye this week so I need to start Manningham but if he doesn't produce this week I am thinking of dropping Manningham for Williams. Will Williams produce better than Manningham,Avant, Crabtree, Little?
