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D'Angelo Williams (1 Viewer)
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
'Cause he'll be hurt alot? :(
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I worry about his injury history too, but not enough to rate another back #2. This depends on who drafts him, so let's wait before selling anybody as # anything for fantasy drafts (fine if you want to rate Bush #1, but I'm waiting). Obviously there's some excellent teams who need RBs, and the RBs who land on them are going to get a big boost in fantasy value. For pure football ability, I think DeAngelo grades a little higher than Cadillac Williams. He is that good.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree. He has no real holes in his game. Can do it all and is a bit faster than Caddy too. Biggest negative I see is toughness. But the guy has gotten better every year with a heavy workload. It's hard to find somthing bad about him. I've been looking.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Its just my opinion from watching both of them play. More about style than pure speed measurment you get from 40 times (which I think give information but are still full of variables).
Williams looks quicker to me and out runs defenders at the 2nd level. More a one cut to the corner type speed.
Caddy is more shifty and better at breaking tackles than Williams I think although Williams can do this too.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133410
Williams looks quicker to me and out runs defenders at the 2nd level. More a one cut to the corner type speed.
Caddy is more shifty and better at breaking tackles than Williams I think although Williams can do this too.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133410
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospe...o_williams.html
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/prospe...c_williams.html
I'm not saying I think Deangelo Williams is better than Caddilac but it's possible and I do think he is in the same range of talent and ability. Both Rbs are very versitile. I think Cadilacs abilities of vision agility and breaking tackles are more reliable and hardest to find in Rb prospects. Deangelo on the other hand looks like a more natural reciever and possibly more of a big play threat (splitting hairs here) with well rounded abilities in every other facet of his game.I don't think any Rb compares well with LT. At least not until they have proven it at the pro level. And I wouldn't rate Deangelo Williams higher than Cadilac Williams for the same reason. Caddy has proven he can do well at this level allready.
Size and speed...
A picture is worth a thousand words right? How much is videos worth...
This is a video of all 23 of his touchdowns in 04.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VRYXwXxVHrQ&sea...gelo%20Williams
And here's where he breaks off an 80 yard one in the 05 season a la Reggie Bush style.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Klel0JY-GeA&sea...gelo%20Williams
A picture is worth a thousand words right? How much is videos worth...
This is a video of all 23 of his touchdowns in 04.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VRYXwXxVHrQ&sea...gelo%20Williams
And here's where he breaks off an 80 yard one in the 05 season a la Reggie Bush style.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Klel0JY-GeA&sea...gelo%20Williams
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
Am I reading this right? This guy has never fumbled? Sheesh, I fumble a beer or 2 every season walking from the fridge back to my chair!!
cstu
Footballguy
He impressed me by doing the Skills Challenge and Senior Bowl when no one expected him to - and was probably told that he shouldn't. His attitude was he likes to play football and had nothing to hide. On an aside, the first thread I ever started about him was right before the 2004 GMAC game when he broke his leg.
Kleck.
Footballguy
What I see in DeAngelo Williams is vision, balance, acceleration, more vision and a complete awareness of the defense and field. He has that sense of knowing exactly where to go, when to get there and how to make a defender miss. He can make a quick move after being patient waiting for blocks and anticipate what the defense will do next. He might not be the fastest, but he can reach his top speed in a blink of an eye and from a stand still position. A sneaky kind of power that you would not expect from a guy his size. Not a track star or world class athlete trying to play RB. He's simply just a football player and was born to be a RB.
This kid has some talents you just cannot measure. I'm a DeAngelo believer, and if he busts, I'll completely give up trying to critique RB prospects. There is nothing that I don't like about his game. If he lands in an ideal situation I would seriously consider ranking him #1 on my rookie RB list. I like him that much.
This kid has some talents you just cannot measure. I'm a DeAngelo believer, and if he busts, I'll completely give up trying to critique RB prospects. There is nothing that I don't like about his game. If he lands in an ideal situation I would seriously consider ranking him #1 on my rookie RB list. I like him that much.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
So he is an undersized, slow RB who cant catch? For his sake, i hope he ends up with one of the best Olines of all time like Emmitt did.
Islander
Footballguy
With the recent RB signings by the Ravens, Cards, and Vikings, which were the top 3 most likely places for DW to end up, I wonder now where he will be. Either he falls in late 1st round and starts for a team like the Broncos, otherwise he will be a backup in 2006 or stuck in a RBBC.
EBF
Footballguy
Positives:
- Had a stellar college career
- Played well at the Senior Bowl
- Tested pretty well at the combine
Negatives:
- Doesn't look to have much power
- Doesn't look quite as explosive to me as the other top RBs in this class
- Played in a weak conference
Williams is an interesting prospect. Everyone around here seems to like him, he was a star in college, he excelled at the Senior Bowl, and he tested pretty well at the combine. Nevertheless, I can't help but feel that he's a little bit overrated. He doesn't look quite as explosive/quick as the other top backs from recent classes. I still think he'll probably be an effective NFL player, but he doesn't strike me as superstar material.
I think the comparison of Curtis Martin is a pretty good one. Williams won't wow you like Reggie Bush, but he definitely has a lot of innate RB skills. If he can stay healthy then he'll probably be a pretty productive pro back, but I don't think he'll ever be a great YPC guy or a guy who will score a lot of TDs (unless he lands in the absolutely perfect system).
- Had a stellar college career
- Played well at the Senior Bowl
- Tested pretty well at the combine
Negatives:
- Doesn't look to have much power
- Doesn't look quite as explosive to me as the other top RBs in this class
- Played in a weak conference
Williams is an interesting prospect. Everyone around here seems to like him, he was a star in college, he excelled at the Senior Bowl, and he tested pretty well at the combine. Nevertheless, I can't help but feel that he's a little bit overrated. He doesn't look quite as explosive/quick as the other top backs from recent classes. I still think he'll probably be an effective NFL player, but he doesn't strike me as superstar material.
I think the comparison of Curtis Martin is a pretty good one. Williams won't wow you like Reggie Bush, but he definitely has a lot of innate RB skills. If he can stay healthy then he'll probably be a pretty productive pro back, but I don't think he'll ever be a great YPC guy or a guy who will score a lot of TDs (unless he lands in the absolutely perfect system).
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Displayed the best power of any back at the Senior Bowl including the bigger guys. He is exceptionally powerful. See his bench press performance at the Combine. He was easily the most explosive back at the Senior Bowl. A couple of those guys are more explosive than Maroney. Williams is second only to Bush in explosive, sudden, bursts of speed.
Proved the weak schedule was meaningless against top competition this post-season.
Boston
Footballguy
I'd love to see this kid in a Pats uniform. I doubt he'll be there ar #21 although the Ravens and Cards signing RBs does give a glimmer of hope. The Pats have an extra #3 and #4 and it wouldn't bother me if they made a deal to sneak up a few picks to nab him. The Pats are in dire need of a big play RB and adding him to Dillon, Faulk and Pass would give the Pats a big time backfield with tons of versatility.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Man, watching you guys in Z30 is going to be fun over the next couple of rookie drafts.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Man, watching you guys in Z30 is going to be fun over the next couple of rookie drafts.
EBF
Footballguy
That may have been the case, but I haven't seen the power when I've watched him play ( though I don't pretend to have seen a ton of his games).
I'm just going by what my eyeballs tell me. I haven't seen much of Addair or Norwood, but I have seen a lot of Jerome Harrison and I'm not convinced that Williams has much of an edge in lateral agility/burst. Again, I think Williams will probably be an effective pro, but I don't see the superstar qualities in him that a lot of other people do.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Agreed! For me it's more an endorsement for Harrison than criticism of DeAngelo though.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe DeAngelo Williams will be the next great RB. If he goes to Indianapolis or Pittsburgh, he'll be an instant superstar. Denver would also be a good destination, but I'm not sure he'd have an immediate impact becuase of the way Shanny "treats" rookie RBs. It might take him a little while to get going there (certainly by the middle of the season, though).
aDingoAteMyBaby
Footballguy
Watching him, I see a very fluid runner. He doesn't look like the quick-cut player you see in Reggie Bush. Reggie BushIn any case, Williams's older film (from 2004) posted on youtube.com is impressive. Many of his TD's came from 10 yds and out. He also has incredible balance when pressed up against the out-of-bounds line. You can also see that his vision is very good when he picks the cut back lane. Now this is a highlight video, so you can't tell if these happen to be his top plays, or a good sample of how he runs.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i think in the 2004 clips he does flash good power for his size... he breaks tackles & runs right through arm tackles...
i was a little concerned when after about a dozen TDs on the highlight reel it seemed like EVERY ONE was bounced outside (maybe thats why they became TDs & made the reel
)... but that may not be so easy to do as often once he becomes a pro... in later TDs, he did attack the holes between the tackles before doing his thing in the open field...
i think he has better than decent speed... i like the emmitt comps in terms of physical traits... at 5'9" almost 210 he is nearly a dead ringer... has same low center of gravity & powerful lower body with mammoth, tree trunk thighs... he is very strong (as CC noted... see combine bench reps vis-a-vis RB peers in his class)...
but in his bio (sorry no link... but i checked it at memphis) it says he was the arkansas prep record holder in the 100 m with a 10.8 (obviously that isn't as fast as prep records in bigger football states like CA, FL & TX)... i doubt if he is that fast now as he may have put on like 50 lbs since high school... but i'm pretty sure emmitt was NEVER that fast...\
i agree that the attributes that really roar off the screen for me are his patience, vision & instincts... & he does look quick & explosive to me... westbrook runs a pedestrian 40... but reid said he is one of most explosive football players in league in first 10 yards... to me it looks like he has that kind of electric burst, suddenness & instant acceleration...
but i have a lot of respect for EBFs take... it is interesting to me when others are looking at THE SAME thing... & can see such different things...
but it just goes to show we must not be looking at the EXACT same thing...
otherwise, our takes would be more convergent... even in a little picture like highlight reel, there is so much to see... so many ways to interpret it... we bring different backgrounds, histories & associations when we look at a film...
guess given that, shouldn't be so surprising that there is some, & in certain cases, a lot of variance...
i was a little concerned when after about a dozen TDs on the highlight reel it seemed like EVERY ONE was bounced outside (maybe thats why they became TDs & made the reel
)... but that may not be so easy to do as often once he becomes a pro... in later TDs, he did attack the holes between the tackles before doing his thing in the open field...i think he has better than decent speed... i like the emmitt comps in terms of physical traits... at 5'9" almost 210 he is nearly a dead ringer... has same low center of gravity & powerful lower body with mammoth, tree trunk thighs... he is very strong (as CC noted... see combine bench reps vis-a-vis RB peers in his class)...
but in his bio (sorry no link... but i checked it at memphis) it says he was the arkansas prep record holder in the 100 m with a 10.8 (obviously that isn't as fast as prep records in bigger football states like CA, FL & TX)... i doubt if he is that fast now as he may have put on like 50 lbs since high school... but i'm pretty sure emmitt was NEVER that fast...\
i agree that the attributes that really roar off the screen for me are his patience, vision & instincts... & he does look quick & explosive to me... westbrook runs a pedestrian 40... but reid said he is one of most explosive football players in league in first 10 yards... to me it looks like he has that kind of electric burst, suddenness & instant acceleration...
but i have a lot of respect for EBFs take... it is interesting to me when others are looking at THE SAME thing... & can see such different things...
but it just goes to show we must not be looking at the EXACT same thing...
otherwise, our takes would be more convergent... even in a little picture like highlight reel, there is so much to see... so many ways to interpret it... we bring different backgrounds, histories & associations when we look at a film...
guess given that, shouldn't be so surprising that there is some, & in certain cases, a lot of variance...
EBF
Footballguy
You'll get no argument from me there (although Tomlinson probably isn't a good example if you want to talk about bad measurables). My concerns on Williams don't stem from his measurables. I just don't think he's as impressive in games as guys like Cadillac, K. Jones, and Bush. Anyhow, I want to make it clear that I do think Williams can be a good pro. He'll probably end up as the #3 rookie on my draft board. Nevertheless, I don't think he appears to be quite as exceptional as some of the other top backs in recent classes.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Makes sense in light of your Harrison observation. Makes me wonder if this class of backs is overrated (DeAngelo is a little better than Harrison who probably isn't much of a pro prospect), or underrated (DeAngelo is a little better than Harrison who is very good).
EBF
Footballguy
I actually think that this class is very strong. It might be slightly overrated at the top, but the second and third tiers are much stronger than they were in the last couple of RB classes.Makes sense in light of your Harrison observation. Makes me wonder if this class of backs is overrated (DeAngelo is a little better than Harrison who probably isn't much of a pro prospect), or underrated (DeAngelo is a little better than Harrison who is very good).
Rev
Footballguy
A. Personally, I'd hate for Williams to land in Denver. He's too much like Tatum Bell and would likely share carries more than he should.
B. I like Williams alot. I think he could be a feature back who gets 20 TD's a year.
C. His speed is not a question.
D. He is very explosive and strong.
E. He has an excellent "running back sense" about him. You watch him run and you think of great running backs who just know when to make cuts and when to turn it on.
I'd like to know more about his injury history. Anyone have any details?
B. I like Williams alot. I think he could be a feature back who gets 20 TD's a year.
C. His speed is not a question.
D. He is very explosive and strong.
E. He has an excellent "running back sense" about him. You watch him run and you think of great running backs who just know when to make cuts and when to turn it on.
I'd like to know more about his injury history. Anyone have any details?
SoloMatisse
Footballguy
Williams is going to be a stud in the NFL. He looks to have the total package, but his greatest trait, imo, is that he's just solid. Solid? Right. Never fumbles, runs low with nice moves, not spectacular, good speed but not blazing, nice vision but doesnt seem to overcomplicate anything when trying to elude, good enough speed to get away from trailers but not the kindof speed that would label him as just a fast back. The good backs have a combo of all the skills....and the intanigbles. Whether or not he really has the intangibles is yet to be seen at the pro level, but Im willing to bet its there. He came back for a 4th year when clearly he could have come out last year. Didnt gain alot of attention for it, but it was a good move. He should be drafted late enough that he'll go to a team with a decent Oline and some surrounding talent where he wont have alot of pressure. It would be nice to see him land somewhere and compete for the starting gig, but Ive got a feeling he's going to end up with a club that drafts him more out of 'best available' than 'need' reasoning. There is no way he slides past the early 20s. I can see New England taking him in their slot, but he could go sooner. In the right spot, he's a great keeper/dynasty prospect imo.....Id rate him either #1 or 2 depending on where he ends up of course. Williams is not a very hard sell at all....what's not to like??
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Nice job with the video Waylander!
Englishteacher
Footballguy
And that's exactly why you got cut in Denver by Shanahan and in Dallas by Parcells!(thinking of that Lombardi quote about the oblong spheroid..... better to have.......)
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
They're just so darn slippery though....And that's exactly why you got cut in Denver by Shanahan and in Dallas by Parcells!(thinking of that Lombardi quote about the oblong spheroid..... better to have.......)
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Yeah.They're just so darn slippery though....And that's exactly why you got cut in Denver by Shanahan and in Dallas by Parcells!(thinking of that Lombardi quote about the oblong spheroid..... better to have.......)
Tell that to Tom Coughlin. 
You're obviously going to need Deangello for your squad. 
Wildman
Footballguy
DeAngelo Williams is more Tony Dorsett than Emmitt Smith. He can catch and he also has power. I scouted another game in addition to the one below, and I saw one of the more impressive feats of power from a "small back" in that second game. After a 69-yard run in the 4th QTR at the Motor City Bowl, Williams took a pitch on the next play, ran through an LB and then dragged about 550 lbs worth of DTs (yes, both DTs) the length of 2 yards and into the endzone. Mind you, this was right after the long run--no time out, no time on the bench for a breather. This is a strong RB with stamina, I wouldn't worry about him in that department.
Here's the first report...
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Here's the first report...
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