Darrell Jackson (1 Viewer)

[jeff_eaglz]

I've seen a number of posts in a few threads on this topic.

In summary:

Darrell Jackson caught a pass in the final minute of the second quarter but only got his left foot in bounds. He clipped the pylon as he stepped out of bounds. Why isn't this being discussed more?

The answer is this:

If you review the play, he catches the ball with his left foot in bounds. He then picks up the left foot and clips the pylon with the same foot and plants his right foot out of bounds.

You cannot complete a catch with "two feet in bounds" if they are the same foot hitting in twice.

I hope that helps.

 

[Loomba]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site. LOL.

 

[Ted the Caver]

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site. LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

 

[Islander]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

3. Locklear holding

4. Holding call on Warrick's 33 yd punt return

5. Delay of game not called on Stealers with zero on time clock

6. J Stevens fumble. Stealers fans say they got robbed, but actually we don't know if they would have recovered before the ball going out of bounds, and even if they did, the Hawks punted on the next play and the Stealers started at their own 20 so it would have made very little difference. Because the ball may have ended up out of bounds, it's actually the Hawks that got robbed, not the Stealers.

7. H Ward pass interference not called on the pass to the 2 yard line. If you call D-Jax, you have to call H Ward on that play as well.

8. Horse collar tackle on S Alex with 6-7 mins to go.

9. Two defensive offsides by the Stealers D not called

And I am probably missing a few.

I am not saying all those calls were wrong, but they were all debatable to some extent and all went the Stealers' way.

 

[Godsbrother]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

3. Locklear holding

4. Holding call on Warrick's 33 yd punt return

5. Delay of game not called on Stealers with zero on time clock

6. J Stevens fumble. Stealers fans say they got robbed, but actually we don't know if they would have recovered before the ball going out of bounds, and even if they did, the Hawks punted on the next play and the Stealers started at their own 20 so it would have made very little difference. Because the ball may have ended up out of bounds, it's actually the Hawks that got robbed, not the Stealers.

7. H Ward pass interference not called on the pass to the 2 yard line. If you call D-Jax, you have to call H Ward on that play as well.

8. Horse collar tackle on S Alex with 6-7 mins to go.

9. Two defensive offsides by the Stealers D not called

And I am probably missing a few.

I am not saying all those calls were wrong, but they were all debatable to some extent and all went the Stealers' way.

On the Seattle interception there was a clear block in the back of Roethlisberger that was not called.

 

[Wildcat]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

Both of these are judgement calls. DJax DID push off. Did it affect the TD? Nobody will know. Still, can't fault the ref. Could have went either way.The Roeth TD was a judgement call as well. The replay was inconclusive so the original call stands.

Why poeple are still debating these two is beyond me.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

3. Locklear holding

4. Holding call on Warrick's 33 yd punt return

5. Delay of game not called on Stealers with zero on time clock

6. J Stevens fumble. Stealers fans say they got robbed, but actually we don't know if they would have recovered before the ball going out of bounds, and even if they did, the Hawks punted on the next play and the Stealers started at their own 20 so it would have made very little difference. Because the ball may have ended up out of bounds, it's actually the Hawks that got robbed, not the Stealers.

7. H Ward pass interference not called on the pass to the 2 yard line. If you call D-Jax, you have to call H Ward on that play as well.

8. Horse collar tackle on S Alex with 6-7 mins to go.

9. Two defensive offsides by the Stealers D not called

And I am probably missing a few.

I am not saying all those calls were wrong, but they were all debatable to some extent and all went the Stealers' way.

Classic. I was actually wondering what the list would look like.

 

[Class Dismissed]

Did the Official say the replay was inconclusive or did he say the play stands as called on the field?

Maybe because this is what he saw.

Ben TD

 

[wannabee]

how about the hasselbeck chop block while making a tackle?

 

[CrossEyed]

Did the Official say the replay was inconclusive or did he say the play stands as called on the field?

Maybe because this is what he saw.

Ben TD

Thank you. Can we put this one to rest now?

 

[CrossEyed]

how about the hasselbeck chop block while making a tackle?

He hit the blocker first. That's the rule. A Steeler QB was hit with this exact same penalty earlier in the year.

 

[Class Dismissed]

I thought that was a bad call.....i thought it was a bad call earlier this year when they called it against hartings in the INDY Game on MNF

How about the Helmet to Helmet hit on Ward?....no flag there.....Clear as day.

 

[Class Dismissed]

What about the helmet first spear to the back of Randel El that sent him into spasms......No Flag....shouldn't that be on the list?

 

[jeff_eaglz]

I've seen a number of posts in a few threads on this topic.

In summary:

Darrell Jackson caught a pass in the final minute of the second quarter but only got his left foot in bounds. He clipped the pylon as he stepped out of bounds. Why isn't this being discussed more?

The answer is this:

If you review the play, he catches the ball with his left foot in bounds. He then picks up the left foot and clips the pylon with the same foot and plants his right foot out of bounds.

You cannot complete a catch with "two feet in bounds" if they are the same foot hitting in twice.

I hope that helps.

Does anyone else remember the purpose of this thread?It was regarding DJax and the pylon - that's it.

You want to gripe about the other calls, go to the 100 other threads on the topic.

 

[Hamstring]

Dunno the crap coverage showed one dodgy replay and they went to a crappy commercial. I thought it looked closer than incomplete.

 

[Das Boot]

You cannot complete a catch with "two feet in bounds" if they are the same foot hitting in twice.

What if a Receiver catches the ball along the sidelines and hops on one foot 2 or 3 times in bounds down the sideline before falling OB and never gets the opposite foot down in bounds?Boot.

 

[Bri]

we need more officiating threads

 

[apalmer]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

3. Locklear holding

4. Holding call on Warrick's 33 yd punt return

5. Delay of game not called on Stealers with zero on time clock

6. J Stevens fumble. Stealers fans say they got robbed, but actually we don't know if they would have recovered before the ball going out of bounds, and even if they did, the Hawks punted on the next play and the Stealers started at their own 20 so it would have made very little difference. Because the ball may have ended up out of bounds, it's actually the Hawks that got robbed, not the Stealers.

7. H Ward pass interference not called on the pass to the 2 yard line. If you call D-Jax, you have to call H Ward on that play as well.

8. Horse collar tackle on S Alex with 6-7 mins to go.

9. Two defensive offsides by the Stealers D not called

And I am probably missing a few.

I am not saying all those calls were wrong, but they were all debatable to some extent and all went the Stealers' way.

Don't forget the two questionable false start penalties against the Steelers in the very first series. Yeah, guys moved, but not much, and you can't call ticky-tacky penalties like that in the beginning of the Super Bowl, any more than you can call Jackson's "little" push off. If they hadn't called those penalties, the Steelers may have gone for a TD on that drive (just like the ball may have rolled out of bounds). That would have changed the whole game! Stinkin' refs tried to shaft the Steelers!

 

[PsychoMan]

You cannot complete a catch with "two feet in bounds" if they are the same foot hitting in twice. 

What if a Receiver catches the ball along the sidelines and hops on one foot 2 or 3 times in bounds down the sideline before falling OB and never gets the opposite foot down in bounds?Boot.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Can you also clear up the time mis-management and poor kicking/punting by Seattle during the Super Bowl, as THAT had just as much to do with them losing the Super Bowl as the officiating.

 

[Workhorse]

Did the Official say the replay was inconclusive or did he say the play stands as called on the field?

Maybe because this is what he saw.

Ben TD

First: The camera angle isn't on the goal line. It's from behind the goal line. And that blur is what exactly? It could be the football. It could also be his wristband. That's just as inconclusive as the replays from the game. Until you put a camera right on the goal line, you'll never know in these situations. Belichick has been lobbying the rules committee for years to get this done.Second: Big Ben was on Letterman last night. He admitted that he didn't score a TD on that play, but said that the Steelers would have made it on 4th down anyways.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Did the Official say the replay was inconclusive or did he say the play stands as called on the field?

Maybe because this is what he saw.

Ben TD

First: The camera angle isn't on the goal line. It's from behind the goal line. And that blur is what exactly? It could be the football. It could also be his wristband. That's just as inconclusive as the replays from the game. Until you put a camera right on the goal line, you'll never know in these situations. Belichick has been lobbying the rules committee for years to get this done.Second: Big Ben was on Letterman last night. He admitted that he didn't score a TD on that play, but said that the Steelers would have made it on 4th down anyways.

Let it go. Game's over and no amount of belly-aching will over-turn these calls. The calls went the Steelers way, get over it and quit crying like a little girl.

 

[Godsbrother]

Did the Official say the replay was inconclusive or did he say the play stands as called on the field?

Maybe because this is what he saw.

Ben TD

First: The camera angle isn't on the goal line. It's from behind the goal line. And that blur is what exactly? It could be the football. It could also be his wristband. That's just as inconclusive as the replays from the game. Until you put a camera right on the goal line, you'll never know in these situations. Belichick has been lobbying the rules committee for years to get this done.Second: Big Ben was on Letterman last night. He admitted that he didn't score a TD on that play, but said that the Steelers would have made it on 4th down anyways.

I doubt that Ben could have made the call while he was diving towards the goal.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

Both of these are judgement calls. DJax DID push off. Did it affect the TD? Nobody will know. Still, can't fault the ref. Could have went either way.The Roeth TD was a judgement call as well. The replay was inconclusive so the original call stands.

Why poeple are still debating these two is beyond me.

Also, apparently a fair number of people who post in the shark pool don't actually know what a "horse collar tackle" is. If they did, this point wouldn't keep coming up.

 

[Workhorse]

Did the Official say the replay was inconclusive or did he say the play stands as called on the field?

Maybe because this is what he saw.

Ben TD

First: The camera angle isn't on the goal line. It's from behind the goal line. And that blur is what exactly? It could be the football. It could also be his wristband. That's just as inconclusive as the replays from the game. Until you put a camera right on the goal line, you'll never know in these situations. Belichick has been lobbying the rules committee for years to get this done.Second: Big Ben was on Letterman last night. He admitted that he didn't score a TD on that play, but said that the Steelers would have made it on 4th down anyways.

I doubt that Ben could have made the call while he was diving towards the goal.

I agree. He wasn't really in position to know.And I also agree that call could have gone either way. But I still think that Belichick is correct when he says that the NFL needs to have cameras on the goal lines for these kinds of plays. One on each side of the field for each end zone.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Can you also clear up the time mis-management and poor kicking/punting by Seattle during the Super Bowl, as THAT had just as much to do with them losing the Super Bowl as the officiating.

These people don't want to acknowledge that. They want a goat other than Seattle to blame on this loss when in reality, it was Seattle's mistakes that cost them that game. Pittsburgh played a horrible game and probably should have lost but the Seahawks made too many mistakes. I love how the other poster in this thread literally picked every single penalty against Seattle and proclaimed it to be a bad call. Thats a classic.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1354105.html

I sure saw one in and one on pylon.

 

[Sabertooth]

I hope this clears up this issue, jeff_eaglz.

Now if you can clear up some of the calls for the people here, you should earn a free lifetime membership to this site.  LOL.

Let's start with the tackle chop-block!

Here are the other ones:1. PI on D-Jax

2. Roeth TD

3. Locklear holding

4. Holding call on Warrick's 33 yd punt return

5. Delay of game not called on Stealers with zero on time clock

6. J Stevens fumble. Stealers fans say they got robbed, but actually we don't know if they would have recovered before the ball going out of bounds, and even if they did, the Hawks punted on the next play and the Stealers started at their own 20 so it would have made very little difference. Because the ball may have ended up out of bounds, it's actually the Hawks that got robbed, not the Stealers.

7. H Ward pass interference not called on the pass to the 2 yard line. If you call D-Jax, you have to call H Ward on that play as well.

8. Horse collar tackle on S Alex with 6-7 mins to go.

9. Two defensive offsides by the Stealers D not called

And I am probably missing a few.

I am not saying all those calls were wrong, but they were all debatable to some extent and all went the Stealers' way.

From a Packers fan, I have to say

 

[jeff_eaglz]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1354105.html

I sure saw one in and one on pylon.

Good link (and OMG someone actually posted ON TOPIC).From the link:

# A player will be ruled in bounds if he touches the pylon at the goal line before going out of bounds. For example, a pass would be considered complete if one foot touches the pylon and the other foot is in bounds.

DJax was therefore NOT in bounds because it was the SAME foot that was in bounds AND hit the pylon. His right foot was never in bounds.

 

[AB in DC]

Why isn't this being discussed more?

It is.:honda:

 

[AB in DC]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1354105.html

I sure saw one in and one on pylon.

Good link (and OMG someone actually posted ON TOPIC).From the link:

# A player will be ruled in bounds if he touches the pylon at the goal line before going out of bounds. For example, a pass would be considered complete if one foot touches the pylon and the other foot is in bounds.

DJax was therefore NOT in bounds because it was the SAME foot that was in bounds AND hit the pylon. His right foot was never in bounds.

This was already covered in the other thread. John Clayton iwas just plain wrong. Here's the relevant link from NFL.com:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5153800

Notice that nowhere does it say that touching the pylon is considered inbounds -- it just says that touching the pylon _alone_ doesn't make you out of bounds. But you still need to get two feet inbounds.

Other descriptions can be found at http://www.answers.com/topic/2002-nfl-season

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_season

None of these would make Clayton correct about his example. John just misunderstood, plain and simple.

 

[jeff_eaglz]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1354105.html

I sure saw one in and one on pylon.

Good link (and OMG someone actually posted ON TOPIC).From the link:

# A player will be ruled in bounds if he touches the pylon at the goal line before going out of bounds. For example, a pass would be considered complete if one foot touches the pylon and the other foot is in bounds.

DJax was therefore NOT in bounds because it was the SAME foot that was in bounds AND hit the pylon. His right foot was never in bounds.

This was already covered in the other thread. John Clayton iwas just plain wrong. Here's the relevant link from NFL.com:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5153800

Notice that nowhere does it say that touching the pylon is considered inbounds -- it just says that touching the pylon _alone_ doesn't make you out of bounds. But you still need to get two feet inbounds.

Other descriptions can be found at http://www.answers.com/topic/2002-nfl-season

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_season

None of these would make Clayton correct about his example. John just misunderstood, plain and simple.

Sorry for the :honda: but with all the other threads appearing I missed that one.

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DJAX and the Pylon