Darrius Heyward-Bey (1 Viewer)

[jackdubl]

The English language is an ever changing thing. Hue is a man before his time, that's all.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

I'm convinced DHB did or said something that pissed Hue off after the signing of Housh. It was widely noted that the WR corps was extremely tight knit and Hagan was the vet big brother to them all. My guess is that DHB vocalized frustration to the team and Hue put him in his place to make a point. No other reason why you go from #1 to #5 like he did this weekend.Despite all the hate, DHB was outplaying all the Raider WR this year. He didn't deserve this and IMO, this move will blow up in Hue's face. He's acting like Bill Belichick but he doesn't have the locker room cred to pull off managing the roster with no regard to chemistry.

That's the only thing that makes sense. Maybe he feels he proved his point and will start DHB again. If he's not heavily involved against SD I'll be concerned.

 

[duaneok66]

he could have at least said "no comment" - to blame in on "certain sets" is a complete joke.

 

[finito]

The upgrade/downgrade section from footballguys makes it seem like DHB was benched "in the second half" because Moore/Ford have better rapport with Palmer and have better route skills. It also notes that it's likely DHB's time as a starter is over.

I thought he was benched in the first half as well?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The upgrade/downgrade section from footballguys makes it seem like DHB was benched "in the second half" because Moore/Ford have better rapport with Palmer and have better route skills. It also notes that it's likely DHB's time as a starter is over. I thought he was benched in the first half as well?

From that report by Wildman

I think Heyward-Bey better take up quilting because it will keep him busy and maybe he can make a silver and black blanket as the weather turns and those metal seats get cold.

He goes on to say that DHB's value is limited to bubble screens, comebacks, slants, and fade patterns. Well if you ask me, that's some pretty good value if he can contribute with that route tree. He's got the size and speed to execute these routes and take the punishment that comes with them. Hue Jackson has to realize that Carson Palmer needs a go-to guy and DHB is it. TJ Housh is an unnecessary piece of the puzzle in the Raider passing game. It's easy to criticize all of DHB's flaws, his body catching, etc. But he should continue to be a starter because he provides a deep threat, a large over the middle target, and he's a polished blocker. Don't expect DHB to be knitting blankets on the sidelines anytime soon.

 

[Wadsworth]

The upgrade/downgrade section from footballguys makes it seem like DHB was benched "in the second half" because Moore/Ford have better rapport with Palmer and have better route skills. It also notes that it's likely DHB's time as a starter is over. I thought he was benched in the first half as well?

There was also this:

He simply lacks the savvy to win space the way Ford and Moore can, and it's likely Heyward-Bey's time in the starting lineup is over.

DHB has converted 54% of his targets for 16.1 yards per catch. Moore 38.3 for 15.2 and Ford 57.1% for 13.7 yards. I am really confused by this take. The stats would seem to suggest that DHB does a fine job getting open and making catches for good yardage. In fact he has better yards per target than either one of them. Over the last 4 weeks DHB had 385 yards which projects out to a 1,500+ yard season. But he can't get open?

 

[jackdubl]

I picked up Ford hoping this is permanent. But it seems to me there has been a lot of knee jerk reactions to a guy getting benched one game for unknown reasons. I seem to remember FBGs making similar predictions for Kenny Britt whenever some bad news came out(that it was basically over for him), but it never happened. Let's just wait a little while and see what this actually means.

 

[ldizzle]

Didnt think this would be the year where everyone was up in arms that DHB was benched. Everyone was writing him off after the 1st 2 games and wanted moore and ford as the starters. DHB puts together a stream if solid games THEN gets benched? Im in bizarrofootball world.

 

[DoubleG]

DHB: First player in history to be benched for "comfortability".

In a related note, DHB is just hoping for a return to normalcy in the Raider WR roatation.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

The upgrade/downgrade section from footballguys makes it seem like DHB was benched "in the second half" because Moore/Ford have better rapport with Palmer and have better route skills. It also notes that it's likely DHB's time as a starter is over. I thought he was benched in the first half as well?

There was also this:

He simply lacks the savvy to win space the way Ford and Moore can, and it's likely Heyward-Bey's time in the starting lineup is over.

DHB has converted 54% of his targets for 16.1 yards per catch. Moore 38.3 for 15.2 and Ford 57.1% for 13.7 yards. I am really confused by this take. The stats would seem to suggest that DHB does a fine job getting open and making catches for good yardage. In fact he has better yards per target than either one of them. Over the last 4 weeks DHB had 385 yards which projects out to a 1,500+ yard season. But he can't get open?

Moore is a rookie and still learning the game. Common sense says Ford and DHB should be the starters.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

The upgrade/downgrade section from footballguys makes it seem like DHB was benched "in the second half" because Moore/Ford have better rapport with Palmer and have better route skills. It also notes that it's likely DHB's time as a starter is over.

I thought he was benched in the first half as well?

From that report by Wildman

I think Heyward-Bey better take up quilting because it will keep him busy and maybe he can make a silver and black blanket as the weather turns and those metal seats get cold.

He goes on to say that DHB's value is limited to bubble screens, comebacks, slants, and fade patterns. Well if you ask me, that's some pretty good value if he can contribute with that route tree. He's got the size and speed to execute these routes and take the punishment that comes with them. Hue Jackson has to realize that Carson Palmer needs a go-to guy and DHB is it. TJ Housh is an unnecessary piece of the puzzle in the Raider passing game. It's easy to criticize all of DHB's flaws, his body catching, etc. But he should continue to be a starter because he provides a deep threat, a large over the middle target, and he's a polished blocker. Don't expect DHB to be knitting blankets on the sidelines anytime soon.

He can't do a post pattern? From what I've seen he's been effective because defenses fear his speed and he has been taking advantage of guys playing off of him. I think when this guy gets a real QB he's going to be a stud.

 

[murzman]

FWIW Heyward-Bey is still listed as #1 on the Depth Chart on the Oakland Raiders website - and that's as of Nov 7/11, which is after the game where he apparently dropped to 5th. I would think this supports the notion that week 9 was a 1 game "punishment" for something he did??? If that's the case, then I would think he still has value as a WR3, moreso than Ford and Moore.

Does anyone know who puts out the depth charts on each team's website? Is it the coaching staff? Or just the editor of the website? The chart says "unofficial" at the top.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

FWIW Heyward-Bey is still listed as #1 on the Depth Chart on the Oakland Raiders website - and that's as of Nov 7/11, which is after the game where he apparently dropped to 5th. I would think this supports the notion that week 9 was a 1 game "punishment" for something he did??? If that's the case, then I would think he still has value as a WR3, moreso than Ford and Moore. Does anyone know who puts out the depth charts on each team's website? Is it the coaching staff? Or just the editor of the website? The chart says "unofficial" at the top.

Don't know how every team operates. But pretty sure it's front office execs, John Herrera and Amy Trask who have final sayso of what gets published as a depth chart on Raiders.com.But as someone else has already mentioned, Hue Jackson is becoming the skeletor of wide receivers. He obeys no written depth chart order. Disregarding fantasy implications for a minute, I am pretty pissed that Hue is spouting this weak sauce explanation that DHB's benching had to do with some sort of scheme nonsense. AD's credo was get the best players on the field and match the gameplan to thier ability, and never the other way around. Would Tim Brown ever be benched because of a "scheme"? Of course not. Mind you, I'm not comparing DHB to Brown, but that's just stupid coaching, imo.

 

[wudaben]

The upgrade/downgrade section from footballguys makes it seem like DHB was benched "in the second half" because Moore/Ford have better rapport with Palmer and have better route skills. It also notes that it's likely DHB's time as a starter is over. I thought he was benched in the first half as well?

There was also this:

He simply lacks the savvy to win space the way Ford and Moore can, and it's likely Heyward-Bey's time in the starting lineup is over.

DHB has converted 54% of his targets for 16.1 yards per catch. Moore 38.3 for 15.2 and Ford 57.1% for 13.7 yards. I am really confused by this take. The stats would seem to suggest that DHB does a fine job getting open and making catches for good yardage. In fact he has better yards per target than either one of them. Over the last 4 weeks DHB had 385 yards which projects out to a 1,500+ yard season. But he can't get open?

I think that DHB is coming on to be a solid possession receiver but he just doesn't have the ability with his hands to compete with Moore or potentially now Ford for the deep ball. If the Raiders are going to be successful then they will have to stretch the field to soften the defenses but it doesn't stretch it enough when only one of your outside receivers ever runs the deep routes. While Ford may have the body of a slot receiver I personally would put Ford and Moore on the outside to keep the safety honest and DHB in the slot.

 

[duaneok66]

alot of crazy talk in this thread - we have NO IDEA why Hue benched DHB. There is an in house reason, and I can respect that, but you don't bench a guy that has 82 yards for four weeks straight for "package reasons". I guess Hue thinks we are the dumbest people on earth.

 

[guderian]

We aren't the only ones who are perplexed...

(Rotoworld) Broncos CB Champ Bailey admitted he was "totally confused" by Darrius Heyward-Bey barely playing in Week 9. Analysis: If nothing else, the Raiders' decision to use Heyward-Bey as their No. 5 wideout kept the Broncos off balance. "I mean, he's their best guy getting off the bump. He's one of their fastest guys. I'm like, I don't understand why he's not playing," Bailey said. DHB's role tonight is unclear, but we can't trust him in fantasy. Bailey suggested that perhaps "something happened during the bye week."

 

[emge]

where is DHB now? even with Ford out most of the game, he still hasn't shown up...

 

[Deaddawg]

So, I guess we can safely say that DHB is done in Oakland. For whatever reason, he is not seeing the field. Maybe he did sleep with Hue's wife?

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Hue can lie all he wants but obviously DHB ####ed up. A guy doesn't go from averaging 11 targets a game to 0 without having done something wrong.

 

[Battles]

My guesses are that he skipped an "optional" bye week practice when they were getting Palmer up to speed or that Palmer just doesn't click with him. There was so much talk tonight about Palmer wanting the wrs to do it his way and how much he was working with them. Sounds like Hue is leaving the wr decisions to Palmer. Maybe too much reading between the lines.

 

[loose circuits]

My guesses are that he skipped an "optional" bye week practice when they were getting Palmer up to speed or that Palmer just doesn't click with him. There was so much talk tonight about Palmer wanting the wrs to do it his way and how much he was working with them. Sounds like Hue is leaving the wr decisions to Palmer. Maybe too much reading between the lines.

Palmer mentioned how fast DHB is in the post game interview with NFLN so I'm not sure that makes senseso I take it DHB didn't replace Ford once he was out of game? I was in class so I didn't catch it

 

[Battles]

My guesses are that he skipped an "optional" bye week practice when they were getting Palmer up to speed or that Palmer just doesn't click with him. There was so much talk tonight about Palmer wanting the wrs to do it his way and how much he was working with them. Sounds like Hue is leaving the wr decisions to Palmer. Maybe too much reading between the lines.

Palmer mentioned how fast DHB is in the post game interview with NFLN so I'm not sure that makes senseso I take it DHB didn't replace Ford once he was out of game? I was in class so I didn't catch it

Yeah, he talked about how D Moore and Ford can be a great wrs, elite talent, etc. Then said at the end,"and DHB ran a 4.2 at the combine." Carson might as well be a naysayer on fbg's with that endorsement. The typical he's fast, but doesn't have the talent talk. I was on board the DHB train, but he's stuck at the station at best. It's just how I read the situation.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

What did DHB do to Palmer? How can his stock plummet over night without an injury?

 

[RBM]

Really one of the most bizarre things ive seen. A guy that took so much heat, and rightfully so, finally starts coming around and just has the rug pulled out from under him.

Well now that he has shown some promise....do we start speculating on where he will be next yr?

 

[loose circuits]

I wouldn't give up just yet:

@PFF_KhaledKhaled ElsayedHeyward-Bey was on the field for all bar six Raiders offensive snaps. Impressive to feature that much, but at same time feature so little

https://twitter.com/#!/PFF_Khaled/statuses/134928226152742912also, for those speculating where he might go. He's signed through 2013 at an affordable price for a WR3 or WR4 so I wouldn't count on him leaving anytime soon

 

[RBM]

I wouldn't give up just yet:

@PFF_KhaledKhaled ElsayedHeyward-Bey was on the field for all bar six Raiders offensive snaps. Impressive to feature that much, but at same time feature so little

https://twitter.com/#!/PFF_Khaled/statuses/134928226152742912also, for those speculating where he might go. He's signed through 2013 at an affordable price for a WR3 or WR4 so I wouldn't count on him leaving anytime soon

Affordable? Didnt he get a big deal going that high in the draft? Seems like he has no role on this team going forward

 

[DaveGrumbles]

My guesses are that he skipped an "optional" bye week practice when they were getting Palmer up to speed or that Palmer just doesn't click with him. There was so much talk tonight about Palmer wanting the wrs to do it his way and how much he was working with them. Sounds like Hue is leaving the wr decisions to Palmer. Maybe too much reading between the lines.

Palmer mentioned how fast DHB is in the post game interview with NFLN so I'm not sure that makes senseso I take it DHB didn't replace Ford once he was out of game? I was in class so I didn't catch it

Yeah, he talked about how D Moore and Ford can be a great wrs, elite talent, etc. Then said at the end,"and DHB ran a 4.2 at the combine." Carson might as well be a naysayer on fbg's with that endorsement. The typical he's fast, but doesn't have the talent talk. I was on board the DHB train, but he's stuck at the station at best. It's just how I read the situation.

Also watched that post game interview. I thought it was telling how much Palmer kept steering the conversation back to Denarius and his potential. He seems to have really clicked with the kid. But when he talked about DHB and the way he used his full name as if he was talking about someone he doesn't know at all. It was a bit awkward and seemed a bit of a throwaway to just say 'oh and DHB ran a 4.2 a couple years back'. There's got to be an underlying event here that pushed DHB to the back of the line.

 

[loose circuits]

I wouldn't give up just yet:

@PFF_KhaledKhaled ElsayedHeyward-Bey was on the field for all bar six Raiders offensive snaps. Impressive to feature that much, but at same time feature so little

https://twitter.com/#!/PFF_Khaled/statuses/134928226152742912also, for those speculating where he might go. He's signed through 2013 at an affordable price for a WR3 or WR4 so I wouldn't count on him leaving anytime soon

Affordable? Didnt he get a big deal going that high in the draft? Seems like he has no role on this team going forward

he played in all but 6 offensive snaps, so they obviously think he has some role even if it is a blocking WR2012: $1.605 million, 2013: $2.21 million is affordable for a WR3 or WR4 especially when your starters are 4th and 5th rounders. Most of money for those old 1st round contracts comes up front

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

My guesses are that he skipped an "optional" bye week practice when they were getting Palmer up to speed or that Palmer just doesn't click with him. There was so much talk tonight about Palmer wanting the wrs to do it his way and how much he was working with them. Sounds like Hue is leaving the wr decisions to Palmer. Maybe too much reading between the lines.

It has to be something not football related since Palmer had good chemistry with DHB in the Chiefs game. DHB doesn't seem the type to skip a bye week practice and it's hard to imagine that Palmer just doesn't like him.

 

[wudaben]

DHB is a good guy and a good teammate so it's probably something as simple as him dropping passes in practice while Moore & Ford make the wow plays.

 

[guderian]

I honestly don't think I've ever seen anything like this. 11 targets a game to zero without an injury, suspension or anything else. Astounding. Well after two weeks of this, I guess we can assume he's dead now.

 

[Deaddawg]

DHB is a good guy and a good teammate so it's probably something as simple as him dropping passes in practice while Moore & Ford make the wow plays.

But where does that leave us? Is he droppable in all formats? He cost me a game last week with byes and Nicks hurt. I will definitely be trying to pick up Moore this week but I have little chance.

 

[jim k]

My thoughts are that the timing just isn't down with Palmer and Darrius Heyward-Bey.

Palmer does not have a comfortable grasp on the offense so passing plays are more apt to break down.

Moore and Ford are better receiving targets for Palmer due to this - less finesse and speed than DHB but more toughness and ability to fight for a 50/50 pass.

 

[finito]

DHB is a good guy and a good teammate so it's probably something as simple as him dropping passes in practice while Moore & Ford make the wow plays.

But where does that leave us? Is he droppable in all formats? He cost me a game last week with byes and Nicks hurt. I will definitely be trying to pick up Moore this week but I have little chance.

Dynasty he's a hold. In redrafts I'd consider dropping him for sure depending on who is out there (and the severity of Ford's injury).

 

[wudaben]

My thoughts are that the timing just isn't down with Palmer and Darrius Heyward-Bey.Palmer does not have a comfortable grasp on the offense so passing plays are more apt to break down.Moore and Ford are better receiving targets for Palmer due to this - less finesse and speed than DHB but more toughness and ability to fight for a 50/50 pass.

DHB is the better route runner and good short yardage receiver... those are good things for a QB like Campbell who doesn't have the accuracy to consistently hit the deep targets. Palmer has the accuracy to hit Moore & Ford on these deep patterns so while they were an after thought with Campbell under center they are now thriving with Palmer.Several things clearly had to happen for this to occur but the loss of Al Davis started the chain of events, followed by the addition of Palmer and the debacle at KC... this team needed to stretch the field and DHB cannot do that like these other two receivers can.

 

[Bayhawks]

My thoughts are that the timing just isn't down with Palmer and Darrius Heyward-Bey.

Palmer does not have a comfortable grasp on the offense so passing plays are more apt to break down.

Moore and Ford are better receiving targets for Palmer due to this - less finesse and speed than DHB but more toughness and ability to fight for a 50/50 pass.

DHB is the better route runner and good short yardage receiver... those are good things for a QB like Campbell who doesn't have the accuracy to consistently hit the deep targets. Palmer has the accuracy to hit Moore & Ford on these deep patterns so while they were an after thought with Campbell under center they are now thriving with Palmer.Several things clearly had to happen for this to occur but the loss of Al Davis started the chain of events, followed by the addition of Palmer and the debacle at KC... this team needed to stretch the field and DHB cannot do that like these other two receivers can.

I was under the impression that this was a big knock on DHB? That he wasn't able to run crisp routes, and was best at things like screens and short passes that don't require the best routes?

 

[oswizzle]

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2011/11/18/jackson-not-so-sure-about-seymour-playing-after-all/?gta=commentlistpos#commentlistpos

Jackson was asked if “With Ford out, that was an opportunity for Darrius Heyward-Bey to re-emerge?”

“I don’t think he de-emerged,” Jackson said. “Sometimes that’s the way it happens. The ball just didn’t go there. I think he’s going to be OK. He’s playing. And he’ll get his opportunities. Sometimes the defense dictates otherwise, but I expect Darrius Heyward-Bey to have a big game. I do.”

This guy has been paitient since Carsons arrival....Ford and Moore have both had huge games....guess who's next The goose Egg King is going to score 20+FF points this weekend...roll the dice and enjoy the show

 

[todisco1]

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2011/11/18/jackson-not-so-sure-about-seymour-playing-after-all/?gta=commentlistpos#commentlistposJackson was asked if “With Ford out, that was an opportunity for Darrius Heyward-Bey to re-emerge?” “I don’t think he de-emerged,” Jackson said. “Sometimes that’s the way it happens. The ball just didn’t go there. I think he’s going to be OK. He’s playing. And he’ll get his opportunities. Sometimes the defense dictates otherwise, but I expect Darrius Heyward-Bey to have a big game. I do.”This guy has been paitient since Carsons arrival....Ford and Moore have both had huge games....guess who's next The goose Egg King is going to score 20+FF points this weekend...roll the dice and enjoy the show

I wouldn't be that shocked if DHB did have a good game; just hard to trust him going forward. I do think he took a huge step this season though, but it remains to be seen whether he can turn that into reliable production.

 

[glumpy]

I'm not optimistic, and dropped him after getting psyched with Campbell keying in on him. Carson Palmer--who I picked up and am playing this week--is a gunslinger. He's going long, and DHB is not. With Campbell--who pretty much played it safe--DHB had some value and Denarius Moore had little, but now the roles are reversed. I missed on picking up Moore, but sure didn't waste time letting Heyward-Bey back into the pool. With tight rosters my bets are already placed elsewhere.

Good luck with him though. I sure wouldn't mind being wrong here and seeing an even split, owning neither!!

 

[loose circuits]

looked like he was the guy before carted off in stretcher. Any idea if he's ok? saw that he's using extremities, but usually that means people are fine??

 

[cstu]

looked like he was the guy before carted off in stretcher. Any idea if he's ok? saw that he's using extremities, but usually that means people are fine??

(KFFL) Updating a previous report, Oakland Raiders WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (neck) suffered a neck injury in Week 11 but was able to move all of his extremities. Head coach Hue Jackson said he hopes Heyward-Bey will be able to travel with the team.