Dash cam video of police running over suspect...BOOM (1 Viewer)

[Wingnut]

money shot at 1:55 into video.

https://youtu.be/AGIJznCz0Kg

"Oh! Jesus Christ, man down!"

Story:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/14/us/arizona-police-run-over-suspect/

 

[Bucky86]

I don't think cops drive Hondas.

 

[pantagrapher]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

 

[pricklypete]

Somebody has to do another video and have the cop screaming "LEEEEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEENKINS!

 

[Bucky86]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Just check out the police shooting thread.

 

[larch]

He didn't stick the landing.

Zero.

 

[Spin]

What is the proper move there instead? Serious question. He was clearly delusional.

Tucson Police Sgt. Pete Dugan told CNN that Valencia was involved in several incidents in Tucson the day he was struck.

At 6:45 a.m., Valencia robbed a 7-Eleven in Tucson with a metal object in his hand. Authorities said he was dressed only in his underwear. He was charged with theft.

A little more than an hour later, police said, Valencia set a fire at a church for which he was charged with arson of an occupied structure.

Just after that he entered a home and stole a car, police said.

Authorities said he drove to a Walmart where he stole a .30-30 rifle and ammunition. He fled the store with Walmart employees in pursuit.

Just keep talking and hope you get through to him? If he gets to the residential area and starts shooting are the cops responsible for not stopping him earlier? How else do you approach a man with a loaded gun?

This isn't nearly as bad as the case where the guy got shot in the back.

 

[spOOfy]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

because it was?

 

[belljr]

I'M OK WITH IT :shocker:

 

[belljr]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

So how do you handle a guy walking towards a populated area shooting a rifle into the air?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

At first I was with you, but after hearing the facts, I don't think they were out of line.

 

[Bucky86]

How long were they following this guy around town?

 

[irish eyes]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

 

[Bucky86]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

 

[squidrope]

That's awesome!

 

[Card Trader]

People actually have a problem with this?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

I must admit, the rate of speed caught me off guard.

 

[Jobber]

This guy was headed to a street with heavy traffic and likely a lot of pedestrians. He's lucky he didnt end up with 30 bullet holes in him.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

I must admit, the rate of speed caught me off guard.

I was expecting to see the guy get knocked down. Didn't expect the cop to ram him like he was playing Grand Theft Auto.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

I must admit, the rate of speed caught me off guard.

I think it caught his fellow officers off guard as well

 

[Ditka Butkus]

You can literally hear the motor accelarating

 

[TheIronSheik]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

So how do you handle a guy walking towards a populated area shooting a rifle into the air?

You get out of the car and shoot him. Hitting him with a car is just excessive force. He could have killed him.

 

[Cjw_55106]

The only thing they did wrong was cause damage to the vehical. They could have used a $2 bullet.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Not the most coordinated approach I've ever seen.

 

[matttyl]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

I'm not sure that's true. A police car rolls up on the other end of the street at the 1:47 mark in the video, and he had line of sight to the other side of the ~2.5 foot tall wall. I'm totally fine with this. The guy was a huge danger to both the general public and to himself (he threatens to take his own life). This outcome could have potentially saved his life, whatever that's worth.

 

[NCCommish]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

 

[Wooderson]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

I'm not bringing a taser or pepper spray to a gun fight.

 

[mr roboto]

Wasn't there a video from the other car too?

 

[msommer]

Rock Paper Scissor is the only sane choice

 

[The General]

Guy almost did a Triple Lindy.

 

[Jack White]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

That would put the officers at risk.

And if there's one thing we know about modern cops, it's that their own safety is paramount.

 

[jonessed]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

Corner a crazy guy firing a rifle with pepper spray

 

[chauncey]

Rock Paper Scissor is the only sane choice

 

[The Kerminator]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

What do you think the range of pepper spray or a taser is? Would you volunteer to get close enough to the guy that is carrying a .30-.30 rifle that has been firing it in the air to taser him or pepper spray him? Or is this where the "superior" numbers come in? Maybe if we line up enough officers he'll just put down his gun.

 

[The Kerminator]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

So how do you handle a guy walking towards a populated area shooting a rifle into the air?

You get out of the car and shoot him. Hitting him with a car is just excessive force. He could have killed him.

Yeah, shoot him, because, you know, bullets have never been known to like, kill people.

It could very well be argued that by ramming the person with his vehicle at the high rate of speed may very well have saved his life. The guy was walking down the street with the barrel of the gun to his chin. The high rate of speed may have caught him off guard and he didn't have time to pull the trigger and blow his head off. Instead, he's now in the hospital rather than a morgue.

 

[Juxtatarot]

If only cops had taser drones.

 

[Bucky86]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

I'm not sure that's true. A police car rolls up on the other end of the street at the 1:47 mark in the video, and he had line of sight to the other side of the ~2.5 foot tall wall. I'm totally fine with this. The guy was a huge danger to both the general public and to himself (he threatens to take his own life). This outcome could have potentially saved his life, whatever that's worth.

Oh, so the other cop was setting up a perimeter and this guy decided to play hero and drive his car into him.

 

[BoltBacker]

If only cops had taser drones.

Pffft, more like taser drones with killer bee's in their mouths.

I guess I am still stuck on how a guy walks into a walmart, grabs a gun and ammo, and then walks out. Are those items locked up? Or at least attended by an associate?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Guy almost did a Triple Lindy.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

Him being mentally ill doesn't mean they should take more caution to preserve his safety. It means they should take more caution to preserve others' safety.

 

[Leviathan]

Surprised they didn't light him up after he fired his 30-30.

 

[timschochet]

Kind of an odd choice (I would think they'd shoot him instead), but absolutely justified. Sorry NC, yeah he's mentally ill, yeah it would be nice to avoid having to hurt him, but public safety comes first. The cops did their job here.

 

[chauncey]

Leroy's Dashcam

 

[PatsWillWin]

Or perhaps they could have used their superior numbers to corner him and stop the obviously mentally Ill person without trying to kill him. Nah run him over or shoot him were the only options. No one has tasers or pepper spray on them.

Everyone knows that when you "corner" a crazy guy with a gun and approach him so that you can get into pepper spray range, that everyone is...wait, actually this is horribly ######ed posting.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Seriously. They damaged police property, public property, and put the police officer at risk by way of a car accident. It's inexecusable that they didn't just shoot him.

I assume this is what you meant.

 

[DaVinci]

Right idea, poor execution. Running him down is a lot safer for bystanders than getting into a shootout.

 

[Short Corner]

Just completely bonkers that the police actually argue this was proper.

Yeah, they should just reason with the guy carrying a riffle down the street.

Yeah really, give him a stern talking to LOL. So would it be better if they just shot him?? Either way this loser had to be dropped.

I dont disagree he should've been shot. It's just funny the cops are defending not getting into a shoot out, but are almost just as reckless by one of their cops driving through a wall at 30+ mph with no clear sight of whats on the other side.

I'm not sure that's true. A police car rolls up on the other end of the street at the 1:47 mark in the video, and he had line of sight to the other side of the ~2.5 foot tall wall. I'm totally fine with this. The guy was a huge danger to both the general public and to himself (he threatens to take his own life). This outcome could have potentially saved his life, whatever that's worth.

You don't hear anything from the the car on the otherside over the radio so I'm not sure how the hero knows what is or isn't in the background there. Cops aren't known to really give a #### about innocent bystanders though.

 

[pantagrapher]

Some of you people have been playing way too much Grand Theft Auto.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Some of you people have been playing way too much Grand Theft Auto.

What exactly do you think they should have done? Although unorthodox, what he did and a shooting are about the only options IMO.