Dave Chappelle and Politcal Correctness (1 Viewer)

[Toby2ElectricBugaloo]

It does. Which is why I hope they go out of business. In fact, I predict it. This is a horrible precedent. Future bookings will be evaluated on wokeness "You cancelled Dave but you're allowing THIS?!" Eventually only the most woke (and boring) shows will get booked and no one will buy tickets. 

A much better model is: If you don't like Chappelle, don't buy a ticket.

You hope and predict that First Avenue is going to go out of business?

I'll take that bet. By what date, would you say?

(people from the Minneapolis area- please refrain from comment until we have a wager)

 

[Toby2ElectricBugaloo]

First Ave has a zero percent chance of going out of business because of this decision. 

Between First Ave and 7th Street Entry they have music shows nearly every single night. Bands will still be booked and the music will continue. 

 

[AAABatteries]

Sure, I think this is part of it, but I think we've also normalized violent right wing militias taking cues from conservative talking heads in recent years. Feels like this would have been a much bigger story a decade ago.

I think violence, threatened violence and veiled threats are somewhat being normalized by both sides but the right wing militia types take it to a whole new level.  It’s scary and sad to watch some of those 1/6 videos last night.  It’s almost equally sad watching violent protestors.  If we don’t unequivocally denounce all of these people then we contribute to normalizing it.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

First Ave has a zero percent chance of going out of business because of this decision. 

Completely agree. Do you think the woke scolds will stop at this one decision? They might, and if it's a one time hit, then the venue should be in good shape. But if it's a precedent of things to come   

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

It does. Which is why I hope they go out of business. In fact, I predict it.

You hope and predict that First Avenue is going to go out of business?

I'll take that bet. By what date, would you say?

I'm not going to bet money sorry and as for the timing that would depend on how many more "woke booking review" they do. Either way we're kind of getting off track. Apparently you support this type of cancelation, good for you.

 

[Toby2ElectricBugaloo]

I'm not going to bet money sorry and as for the timing that would depend on how many more "woke booking review" they do. Either way we're kind of getting off track. Apparently you support this type of cancelation, good for you.

No, I support empowering labor against management. If they refused to work a Kathy Griffin show or whatever I'd be fine with that too. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

Continued the show since they know full well who Chapelle is. Let them quit and hire replacements. Believe it or not, not every single person is an activist - some people just want to work and earn an honest paycheck regardless of their politics.

Oh sure. I bet they have no problem hiring a full staff the day of a show.

if you want to argue that they should be fired and replaced going forward, I have no issue with that. But like everywhere else, I’m sure they have open positions already that they can’t fill.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Oh sure. I bet they have no problem hiring a full staff the day of a show.

if you want to argue that they should be fired and replaced going forward, I have no issue with that. But like everywhere else, I’m sure they have open positions already that they can’t fill.

This is kind of silly imo. Nothing was sudden here. They didn't suddenly become aware of who Chappelle is and they didn't suddenly realize he was booked. This isn't air traffic control - these woke scolds can, and should be replaced on the spot. Let them know to show up to work or don't come back and start lining up help. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

No, I support empowering labor against management. If they refused to work a Kathy Griffin show or whatever I'd be fine with that too. 

Me too, but they're saying at the 11th hour, no cancel the Kathy Griffen and move it to another venue kthxbai.  Completely different deal imo.

 

[Cjw_55106]

This is kind of silly imo. Nothing was sudden here. They didn't suddenly become aware of who Chappelle is and they didn't suddenly realize he was booked. This isn't air traffic control - these woke scolds can, and should be replaced on the spot. Let them know to show up to work or don't come back and start lining up help. 

If nothing was sudden, why did they move the show two hours before it was scheduled? I’m not referring to the “woke” employees, I’m talking about from the business perspective. Do you think first avenue knew about this weeks ago and decided to do nothing until the 11th hour?

 

[LawFitz]

Me too, but they're saying at the 11th hour, no cancel the Kathy Griffen and move it to another venue kthxbai.  Completely different deal imo.

It was a coordinated Woke protest enacted at the 11th hour to employ maximum leverage. The calculus for the theater owner(s) had to surely include a wider Woke backlash that would take place in the days/weeks that followed had they held their ground and fired the 'protesting' workers - that's assuming they'd logistically be able to replace them on such short notice, which I doubt, so instead the owners bent the knee.

But really, these aren't protests. This is underhanded chicanery by the Woke mob and this stuff is very likely to become more common before the pendulum swings back toward sanity. Sad times for everyone involved, including and perhaps most of all, LGBTQ+ communities, as such tactics often backfire and lead to more resentment toward them, not less. Imagine how Chappelle fans with show tickets felt about the cancellation.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Many of us have lost the ability to laugh at ourselves.  It's actually a life skill that I've tried to teach my kids.  It feels like a lot of current parents prefer to teach their kids to be angry or offended at everything.

I try to impart this on my kids as well.  Life is weird, our bodies are weird, laugh with it and have fun.  

 

[AAABatteries]

I try to impart this on my kids as well.  Life is weird, our bodies are weird, laugh with it and have fun.  

We got the afternoon
You got this room for two
One thing I've left to do
Discover me
Discovering you

One mile to every inch of
Your skin like porcelain
One pair of candy lips and
Your bubblegum tongue

And if you want love
We'll make it
Swim in a deep sea
Of blankets
Take all your big plans
And break 'em
This is bound to be awhile

Your body is a wonderland
Your body is a wonder (I'll use my hands)

Your body is a wonderland

You did mention that you are willing for the right price!

 

[matttyl]

If nothing was sudden, why did they move the show two hours before it was scheduled? I’m not referring to the “woke” employees, I’m talking about from the business perspective. Do you think first avenue knew about this weeks ago and decided to do nothing until the 11th hour?

I’m curious about this timeline as well.  When did these employees first voice their concerns?  Did they not realize who was scheduled to perform until the day of the event?  If they actually had concerns and waited until hours before the show and threatened the venue with walking out - fire them all.  If this was brought to light days or weeks before, and management delayed a decision until hours before the show, that’s stupid on them and I hope it impacts their bottom line.  

Dis these same employees go and attempt to stop the show from going on down the street? 

 

[glvsav37]

No, I support empowering labor against management. If they refused to work a Kathy Griffin show or whatever I'd be fine with that too. 

sure, I'm all for empowering workers against management.....when its a manager that is expecting his workers to violate OSHA regs and put themselves in harms way. Or a manager that refuses to fix the AC in a warehouse and makes his people work in 100 degree conditions. 

But empowering workers to stage walkouts b/c their feelings are hurt is garbage. Everyone has, at some point, had to do something at work they didn't agree with or didnt like...but thats life. These people work in an entertainment venue, they are bound to have an act or 2 that "They don't like" but that is no reason to force the theater to cancel the show. The theater is there to entertain the public, and obv the public wanted to see Dave b/c the show was sold out. 

You still have rights.....take the night off. Take a personal day. I'm sure there were other people in that staff that was counting on the money that night. I'd be pissed if their personal hissy fit impacted my ability to make money. 

And now, all the management did was neuter themselves. When you let the inmates run the asylum, you have lost control. Last night it was Dave, whats next? The wait staff is going to demand they approve all future bookings?

Sorry, but we have given small majority too big of a platform. Yes, the show went on down the road, but the theater sent a clear message that, while they may "care for" (in quotes for a reason) their employees, they have spit in the face of free expression for the public and any future act that comes there needs to be sanitized or risk getting their show canceled as well. 

 

[glvsav37]

Posting again in case anyone missed it

Netflix tells workers to quit if they are offended: ‘culture’ memo

“As employees we support the principle that Netflix offers a diversity of stories, even if we find some titles counter to our own personal values.

Depending on your role, you may need to work on titles you perceive to be harmful. If you’d find it hard to support our content breadth, Netflix may not be the best place for you.”

and no, this has nothing to do with the recent netflix stock price drop. All streaming/subscription services took a hit. 

 

[the moops]

I’m curious about this timeline as well.  When did these employees first voice their concerns?  Did they not realize who was scheduled to perform until the day of the event?  If they actually had concerns and waited until hours before the show and threatened the venue with walking out - fire them all.

Or First Ave made a business decision that losing all its employees is more damaging than having Chappelle not perform for a  night

 

[matttyl]

Or First Ave made a business decision that losing all its employees is more damaging than having Chappelle not perform for a  night

I don’t know much of the backstory here.  We’re ALL the employees willing to leave?  Or just a few?  When were these employees thoughts first brought up?

Also a bit disingenuous to say “not perform for a night” - he’s never going to perform there unless they go back on their word here.  

 

[glvsav37]

Also a bit disingenuous to say “not perform for a night” - he’s never going to perform there unless they go back on their word here.  

also the comedian community is very close knit.  I wouldn’t doubt a bunch of headliners will refuse to play there now.   
 

comedians esp have a deep regard for not being censored.  

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

comedians esp have a deep regard for not being censored.  

As should all Americans.

 

[djmich]

sure, I'm all for empowering workers against management.....when its a manager that is expecting his workers to violate OSHA regs and put themselves in harms way. Or a manager that refuses to fix the AC in a warehouse and makes his people work in 100 degree conditions. 

But empowering workers to stage walkouts b/c their feelings are hurt is garbage. Everyone has, at some point, had to do something at work they didn't agree with or didnt like...but thats life. These people work in an entertainment venue, they are bound to have an act or 2 that "They don't like" but that is no reason to force the theater to cancel the show. The theater is there to entertain the public, and obv the public wanted to see Dave b/c the show was sold out. 

You still have rights.....take the night off. Take a personal day. I'm sure there were other people in that staff that was counting on the money that night. I'd be pissed if their personal hissy fit impacted my ability to make money. 

And now, all the management did was neuter themselves. When you let the inmates run the asylum, you have lost control. Last night it was Dave, whats next? The wait staff is going to demand they approve all future bookings?

Sorry, but we have given small majority too big of a platform. Yes, the show went on down the road, but the theater sent a clear message that, while they may "care for" (in quotes for a reason) their employees, they have spit in the face of free expression for the public and any future act that comes there needs to be sanitized or risk getting their show canceled as well. 

Yes but imo this should all sort itself out by individual and corporate decisions.

The employees want to strike or whatever that’s fine.

The company wants to fire them or cave to their demands that fine.

Consumers want to stop patronizing the venue because they caved, that’s fine.

Employers need to be more careful who they hire since everyone is a Che Guevara now.

 

[BladeRunner]

Yes but imo this should all sort itself out by individual and corporate decisions.

The employees want to strike or whatever that’s fine.

The company wants to fire them or cave to their demands that fine.

Consumers want to stop patronizing the venue because they caved, that’s fine.

Employers need to be more careful who they hire since everyone is a Che Guevara now.

Turns out Joseph McCarthy may have been right - just 60 years to early.  Too many people have been snookered by the left and their slow march towards Socialism/Marxism and, ultimately, Communism.

 

[the moops]

Turns out


Joseph


McCarthy may have been right - just 60 years to early.  Too many people have been snookered by the left and their slow march towards Socialism/Marxism and, ultimately, Communism.

You sure are putting a lot of weight behind the actions of a few dozen First Ave employees.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Or First Ave made a business decision that losing all its employees is more damaging than having Chappelle not perform for a  night

In the heat of the moment, handing your lunch money over to the bully seems like the prudent course of action.  Bullies understand that dynamic perfectly well.  It's what makes them effective bullies.

All of us presumably understand as adults that giving them your lunch money isn't in your long-run best interests.  Nobody likes catching a bloody nose, but bloody noses heal and bullies won't go away until you give them a reason to go away.  I get the impulse to give in, but then you can't be surprised when they're waiting for you for the next morning.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

You sure are putting a lot of weight behind the actions of a few dozen First Ave employees.

If it was a few dozen people in one workplace then stories like this wouldn't be happening on a weekly/daily basis.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Posting again in case anyone missed it

Netflix tells workers to quit if they are offended: ‘culture’ memo

and no, this has nothing to do with the recent netflix stock price drop. All streaming/subscription services took a hit. 

As the saying goes "Freedom isn`t free"