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Dave Pear: "I wish I never played football." (1 Viewer)

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Former NFL star Dave Pear is sorry he ever played football

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Dave Pear went to the Pro Bowl and won a Super Bowl but can barely walk

Pear, 56, was initially denied disability benefits by NFL and now gets just $40,000

Pear is, in basic terms, a train wreck -- a football-inflicted train wreck

Dave Pear has a message for you.

"Don't let your kids play football," he says. "Never."

It is an odd thing, hearing these sort of words from a man like David Louis Pear, University of Washington standout, Pro Bowl defensive lineman for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Super Bowl champion with the Oakland Raiders. His five-year NFL career was one thousands of high school and college athletes would envy -- charging out of a darkened stadium tunnel, 70,000 fans screaming for you, loving you, praising you, idolizing you.

"You wanna know the truth?" says Pear.

The question lingers -- the 56-year-old ex-athlete preparing to unload one more skull-splitting hit.

"I wish I never played football. I wish that more than anything. Every single day, I want to take back those years of my life ..."

The words are not subtle. They spit from Pear's mouth, with a blistering contempt normally reserved for drunk drivers. We are speaking via phone. I am in New York, sipping a hot chocolate, leaning back in a chair. My two young children are asleep. A Pretenders song, "2000 Miles," plays in the background. No worries, no complexities. Pear is sitting at his home in Seattle. His neck hurts. His hips hurt. His knees hurt. His feet hurt. When he wakes up in the morning, pain shoots through his body. When he goes to sleep at night, pain shoots through his body. What does Pear do to stay active?

"My life is simple," he says. "It's hard to get out of bed, but eventually I do. I try and do a little walking on the treadmill. I take naps. I go to physical therapy once per week. I read my Bible."

He is, in basic terms, a train wreck -- a football-inflicted train wreck. Pear walks with a cane and, often, simply doesn't walk at all. He suffers from vertigo and memory loss. Over the past 18 years, he has undergone eight surgeries, beginning with a Posterior Cervical Laminectomy on his neck in 1981, and including disc removal and rod fusion in his back (1987), arthroplasty in his left hip (2008) and, earlier this year, four screws removed from his lower back. Though he chalks up his physical ailments to snap after snap of punishment, he pinpoints the biggest problems back to 1979 and '80, his final two NFL seasons. While playing for Oakland, Pear suffered a herniated disc in his neck that never improved. Despite the unbearable agony, he says the Raiders urged him to keep playing.

Be a man! Be tough! "Those last two years in Oakland were very, very difficult times," he says. "I was in pain 24 hours per day, and my employers failed to acknowledge my injury. Sure, I won a Super Bowl ring. But was it worth giving up my health for a piece of jewelry? No way. Those diamonds have lost their luster."

Throughout North America, many of Pear's retired football brethren hear his words and scream, Amen!Conrad Dobler, the legendary Cardinals offensive lineman, is about to go through his 32nd knee surgery. Wally Chambers, the Chicago Bears' three-time Pro Bowl defensive end, spends much of his time in a wheelchair. Earl Campbell, the powder blue bowling ball, struggles to walk and underwent surgery to remove three large bone spurs. The list is both heartbreaking and never-ending -- one NFL player after another after another, debilitated either mentally, physically, or both. I'm currently working on a book that has led me to interview more than 150 former players. I'd say 60 percent experience blistering pain from a sport they last played two decades ago.

"And the NFL," Pear says, "doesn't care."

Hence, he is fighting back. Two years ago, Pear started a blog, davepear.com, with the intent of supporting hobbled NFL veterans and calling out the league's laughable disability policy. Pear says he first applied for disability benefits in 1983, and was denied. He applied again in 1995, under a new provision that stated players would be compensated should they properly prove their injuries were permanently debilitating. A league-appointed physician examined Pear and filed a report stating that a man who once bench pressed 500 pounds could no longer sit, stand or bend for prolonged time periods.

To Pear's shock and dismay, benefits were again denied.

Finally, in 2009, Pear's request was accepted, and he now receives a whopping $40,000 annually. "Am I financially stable?" he asks with a laugh. "Let's put it this way. By the time I was 27 I had two children and medical bills that would reach $500,000. I can't work, my wife, Heidi, has had to hold two and sometimes three different jobs at the same time. And why? Because the NFL hasn't allowed me and my family to receiver proper benefits."

Pear pauses. He worries that he sounds like a typical whiner -- some ex-jock who didn't appreciate making it big. "This isn't even about me," he says. "It really isn't. There are guys so much worse off than me, it's criminal. We dreamed our whole lives to play professional football, and our dreams came true. And then they turn into nightmares."

Pear is blunt, like a rusty dental knife. He considered Gene Upshaw, the former NFL Players Association executive director, to be a criminal. "He was Ken Lay," he says of the deceased Enron CEO. "Same thing -- took all the veterans he supposedly represented for a ride." He holds out hope that Upshaw's replacement, DeMaurice Smith, might make things right. "I'm keeping an open mind," he says. "I hope Mr. Smith looks at the retired players and sees the wreckage.

"We need help," he says.

A long, painful sigh.

"We need help."
 
Disgusting. NFL is just like any other big corporation.

I was wondering if guys like this were happy when Upshaw croked.

 
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Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.

 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
That's an interesting take. Not sure I agree with it, but it's interesting.
 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
:lmao: :goodposting: :goodposting: He can't honestly say that he didn't know the risks ahead of time. Shame on Dave Pear for living through the glory days and then expecting everyone else to clean up the mess he made and was left with once it was all over.
 
The NFL can and should do more to protect players without affecting how the game is played--continue to improve field surface (some of the old astro turf was simply criminal) and also helmets. But the bottom line is that he chose to play a violent sport, but one that rewards you very well if you are successful.

As others have pointed out, there are regular, working Joes who also have very physically demanding jobs that take a toll on you and are dangerous and they don't retire at 27 and receive 40 Gs a year. He made a choice. Robert Smith of the Vikings chose to retire when he was in his prime because he didn't want to end up like Pear. While I am sympathetic, there are people with much worse situations. How about the thousands of GIs returning from Iraq and Afghanistan without limbs or with permanent brain damage? He has a powerful union, the NFLPA, and they could negotiate away some salary value in the present to give more money to old vets like Pear. Bottom line is these guys get given everything through college and throughout their NFL career, and many get easy street. Millions of Americans don't have basic Health Care and lose their homes or even die as a result: retired NFL players are not the most needy group of Americans by far.

And to blame Gene Upshaw is really low on Pear's part. Upshaw did more to ensure that old Vets get some money than anyone.

 
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The NFL can and should do more to protect players without affecting how the game is played--continue to improve field surface (some of the old astro turf was simply criminal) and also helmets. But the bottom line is that he chose to play a violent sport, but one that rewards you very well if you are successful.As others have pointed out, there are regular, working Joes who also have very physically demanding jobs that take a toll on you and are dangerous and they don't retire at 27 and receive 40 Gs a year. He made a choice. Robert Smith of the Vikings chose to retire when he was in his prime because he didn't want to end up like Pear. While I am sympathetic, there are people with much worse situations. How about the thousands of GIs returning from Iraq and Afghanistan without limbs or with permanent brain damage? He has a powerful union, the NFLPA, and they could negotiate away some salary value in the present to give more money to old vets like Pear. Bottom line is these guys get given everything through college and throughout their NFL career, and many get easy street. Millions of Americans don't have basic Health Care and lose their homes or even die as a result: retired NFL players are not the most needy group of Americans by far.And to blame Gene Upshaw is really low on Pear's part. Upshaw did more to ensure that old Vets get some money than anyone.
:goodposting: There are many players who had the same career that Pear had, who don't have those problems. Who can tell why some did and some didn't? Genetics, maybe and wear and tear. But that happens in a lot of other physically demanding occupations. There isn't enough money in the NFL to provide every player who ever stepped on a field with $250k for the rest of his life. They are responsible for investing their money wisely in the glory days.Having said that, I do believe the NFL could do a little more for retired players, particularly those whose disabilities may be a consequence of playing. But there isn't enough to give them all as much as they would want.
 
You have got to be kidding to think that the NFL doesn't know what happens when you throw your body around into what amounts to multiple car-wreck-type-force hits weekly. It is a crime that all that money from the current players and owners is not used to take care of the retirees.

Don't give me that 'they should have known better' stuff. The kids that play, pushed from an early age until they have that season ending injury at the ripe early age of 27, don't have perspective. It's what they do or always have done. They are kids when they choose this career.

Someone (the NFL, the players) should really step up to take care of the retirees.

 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
Did you even read the post? He's hardly lucky.I know people who got stic in the 70s from installing carpet (chemicals, fumes). He was unable to work after 4 years and "retired" at 25. He gets 50k a year and won a $1.2 million in a lawsuit. And 40k after suffering without benefits for 25 years? It's a complete joke. If you hire people to work for you, and it ####s them up for life you need to cover it. There's no "lucky it was the NFL". He's UNLUCKY it was the NFL. Any other business would have been forced to pay. You have cashiers getting money for carpal tunnel. This guy can't get out of bed, and they deny his claims? *lol* You have people spilling coffee getting 100,000s of dollars. This guy is disabled, and the NFL for 25 years acting like there was no link. *lol* It's sick. These guys built the league. It's chump change to the NFL. And the players union is just as bad. You can fat blobs like Russell making 60 million, and a quarter of that could help out every sick NFL vet. It's an utter disgrace.
 
The NFL can and should do more to protect players without affecting how the game is played--continue to improve field surface (some of the old astro turf was simply criminal) and also helmets. But the bottom line is that he chose to play a violent sport, but one that rewards you very well if you are successful.As others have pointed out, there are regular, working Joes who also have very physically demanding jobs that take a toll on you and are dangerous and they don't retire at 27 and receive 40 Gs a year. He made a choice. Robert Smith of the Vikings chose to retire when he was in his prime because he didn't want to end up like Pear. While I am sympathetic, there are people with much worse situations. How about the thousands of GIs returning from Iraq and Afghanistan without limbs or with permanent brain damage? He has a powerful union, the NFLPA, and they could negotiate away some salary value in the present to give more money to old vets like Pear. Bottom line is these guys get given everything through college and throughout their NFL career, and many get easy street. Millions of Americans don't have basic Health Care and lose their homes or even die as a result: retired NFL players are not the most needy group of Americans by far.And to blame Gene Upshaw is really low on Pear's part. Upshaw did more to ensure that old Vets get some money than anyone.
:goodposting: There are many players who had the same career that Pear had, who don't have those problems. Who can tell why some did and some didn't? Genetics, maybe and wear and tear. But that happens in a lot of other physically demanding occupations. There isn't enough money in the NFL to provide every player who ever stepped on a field with $250k for the rest of his life. They are responsible for investing their money wisely in the glory days.Having said that, I do believe the NFL could do a little more for retired players, particularly those whose disabilities may be a consequence of playing. But there isn't enough to give them all as much as they would want.
Probably 2 of the dumbest posts I've read this year. Grats!Some people get carpal tunnel. Some don't. So no one should ever get disability for it then? So one really tough guy, who never complains, never gets hurt from his job, NO ONE ELSE CAN EVER get disability for that job? *lol* Wow, just find 1 person who never got hurt, and it's impossible to get workmans comp ever. You guys should be lawyers. In the real world, which is seems you guys aren't familiar with, it's not 100% or 0%. By your logic if a company was at fault, EVERY single worker should have gotten hurt. If 99% of the people got hurt, but 1% didn't, then it must be genetics. How else can you explain the 1 worker who never got hurt? Thank god for him! As the guy said, he had a neck injury and his employer pressured him to keep working. They were horrible negligent. The NFL has already admitted his by paying him the benefits. He was in no condition to work, yet his team not only urged him but put him out there knowing he was hurt. No freaking way he plays today with that kind of neck injury. So yes, you are responsible. Yes they should have known better. And because it's a "sport" doesn't mean someone can be messed up for life and you can wash it away. If he worked in almost any other industry in the USA, he wouldn't have gone 25 years without benefits. And he was in a UNION!Can you imagine is someone who worked at the post office developed these injuries? *lol* They'd be living right a king right now. The NFL failed him. The PA failed him. And it's sick.
 
When Dave Pear played, it wasn't as well known and documented what the long term effects could be for playing football - similar to how not a lot was know on how bad smoking was to your health.

It is now better understood what the long term effects are in playing pro football and the knowledge we are developing on concussions has also rapidly advanced in the last few years.

In his era it was also more expected that you should suck it up and play through pain. That mantra still exists today - look at Hines Ward taking a jab at Roethlisberger.

 
The NFL can and should do more to protect players without affecting how the game is played--continue to improve field surface (some of the old astro turf was simply criminal) and also helmets. But the bottom line is that he chose to play a violent sport, but one that rewards you very well if you are successful.As others have pointed out, there are regular, working Joes who also have very physically demanding jobs that take a toll on you and are dangerous and they don't retire at 27 and receive 40 Gs a year. He made a choice. Robert Smith of the Vikings chose to retire when he was in his prime because he didn't want to end up like Pear. While I am sympathetic, there are people with much worse situations. How about the thousands of GIs returning from Iraq and Afghanistan without limbs or with permanent brain damage? He has a powerful union, the NFLPA, and they could negotiate away some salary value in the present to give more money to old vets like Pear. Bottom line is these guys get given everything through college and throughout their NFL career, and many get easy street. Millions of Americans don't have basic Health Care and lose their homes or even die as a result: retired NFL players are not the most needy group of Americans by far.And to blame Gene Upshaw is really low on Pear's part. Upshaw did more to ensure that old Vets get some money than anyone.
:goodposting: There are many players who had the same career that Pear had, who don't have those problems. Who can tell why some did and some didn't? Genetics, maybe and wear and tear. But that happens in a lot of other physically demanding occupations. There isn't enough money in the NFL to provide every player who ever stepped on a field with $250k for the rest of his life. They are responsible for investing their money wisely in the glory days.Having said that, I do believe the NFL could do a little more for retired players, particularly those whose disabilities may be a consequence of playing. But there isn't enough to give them all as much as they would want.
Probably 2 of the dumbest posts I've read this year. Grats!Some people get carpal tunnel. Some don't. So no one should ever get disability for it then? So one really tough guy, who never complains, never gets hurt from his job, NO ONE ELSE CAN EVER get disability for that job? *lol* Wow, just find 1 person who never got hurt, and it's impossible to get workmans comp ever. You guys should be lawyers. In the real world, which is seems you guys aren't familiar with, it's not 100% or 0%. By your logic if a company was at fault, EVERY single worker should have gotten hurt. If 99% of the people got hurt, but 1% didn't, then it must be genetics. How else can you explain the 1 worker who never got hurt? Thank god for him! As the guy said, he had a neck injury and his employer pressured him to keep working. They were horrible negligent. The NFL has already admitted his by paying him the benefits. He was in no condition to work, yet his team not only urged him but put him out there knowing he was hurt. No freaking way he plays today with that kind of neck injury. So yes, you are responsible. Yes they should have known better. And because it's a "sport" doesn't mean someone can be messed up for life and you can wash it away. If he worked in almost any other industry in the USA, he wouldn't have gone 25 years without benefits. And he was in a UNION!Can you imagine is someone who worked at the post office developed these injuries? *lol* They'd be living right a king right now. The NFL failed him. The PA failed him. And it's sick.
You're #1. Congrats. This is the dumbest post all year; but can't be helped because your reading comprehension is behind that of my 5 year old.
 
Well, geez, maybe smashing into another human being at full speed may not be the best thing for my health.

I may be wrong here, but I don't think human beings were designed to smash into each other.

All these NFL players must know the risks of playing this sport.

I think as the medical profession undercovers more and more about the ill effects of playing football, the sport will eventually

fade out into irrelevance, somewhat like boxing has. Kids will chose alternatives like baseball, hockey, basketball, etc.

Either that, or the equipment must improve substantially, or players have to trained not to engage in hard impacts.

I wonder how retirees of rugby are coping with the aftermath of playing a contact sport like that? In rugby, there is

limited protective equipment. Perhaps the body contact isn't as severe as American football? Not sure.

 
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Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
I don't know about you, but I don't think of not being able to walk as retirement. And I'm sure he would gladly give back his $40k "salary" just to have the use of his body back.
 
The NFL can and should do more to protect players without affecting how the game is played--continue to improve field surface (some of the old astro turf was simply criminal) and also helmets. But the bottom line is that he chose to play a violent sport, but one that rewards you very well if you are successful.As others have pointed out, there are regular, working Joes who also have very physically demanding jobs that take a toll on you and are dangerous and they don't retire at 27 and receive 40 Gs a year. He made a choice. Robert Smith of the Vikings chose to retire when he was in his prime because he didn't want to end up like Pear. While I am sympathetic, there are people with much worse situations. How about the thousands of GIs returning from Iraq and Afghanistan without limbs or with permanent brain damage? He has a powerful union, the NFLPA, and they could negotiate away some salary value in the present to give more money to old vets like Pear. Bottom line is these guys get given everything through college and throughout their NFL career, and many get easy street. Millions of Americans don't have basic Health Care and lose their homes or even die as a result: retired NFL players are not the most needy group of Americans by far.And to blame Gene Upshaw is really low on Pear's part. Upshaw did more to ensure that old Vets get some money than anyone.
:goodposting: There are many players who had the same career that Pear had, who don't have those problems. Who can tell why some did and some didn't? Genetics, maybe and wear and tear. But that happens in a lot of other physically demanding occupations. There isn't enough money in the NFL to provide every player who ever stepped on a field with $250k for the rest of his life. They are responsible for investing their money wisely in the glory days.Having said that, I do believe the NFL could do a little more for retired players, particularly those whose disabilities may be a consequence of playing. But there isn't enough to give them all as much as they would want.
Probably 2 of the dumbest posts I've read this year. Grats!Some people get carpal tunnel. Some don't. So no one should ever get disability for it then? So one really tough guy, who never complains, never gets hurt from his job, NO ONE ELSE CAN EVER get disability for that job? *lol* Wow, just find 1 person who never got hurt, and it's impossible to get workmans comp ever. You guys should be lawyers. In the real world, which is seems you guys aren't familiar with, it's not 100% or 0%. By your logic if a company was at fault, EVERY single worker should have gotten hurt. If 99% of the people got hurt, but 1% didn't, then it must be genetics. How else can you explain the 1 worker who never got hurt? Thank god for him! As the guy said, he had a neck injury and his employer pressured him to keep working. They were horrible negligent. The NFL has already admitted his by paying him the benefits. He was in no condition to work, yet his team not only urged him but put him out there knowing he was hurt. No freaking way he plays today with that kind of neck injury. So yes, you are responsible. Yes they should have known better. And because it's a "sport" doesn't mean someone can be messed up for life and you can wash it away. If he worked in almost any other industry in the USA, he wouldn't have gone 25 years without benefits. And he was in a UNION!Can you imagine is someone who worked at the post office developed these injuries? *lol* They'd be living right a king right now. The NFL failed him. The PA failed him. And it's sick.
You're #1. Congrats. This is the dumbest post all year; but can't be helped because your reading comprehension is behind that of my 5 year old.
No, he's right and you're wrong. My opinion, of course. You can call my post dumb, too, if it makes you feel better. Your claim that "these guys get given everything through college and throughout their NFL career" makes me think that you're pretty young and think the way it is now is the way it's always been. Pear is a 70s player. He didn't sign a $20 million signing bonus. It's easy to say they should have invested wisely...but they didn't make the same money-- even adjusted for inflation. But the injuries are real, and due to fewer rules to protect players (which fans whine about today) they subjected themselves to a lot more danger.There's nothing lucky about Dave Pear's life. The NFL is as "clueless" as the tobacco companies who lied before Congress and said they didn't think their product was harmful. They know; believe me. It will only be when these stories get out and the NFL is shamed into caring for these players that something will be done. Kudos to those who do the good work to bring them to light.
 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
:thumbup: :) :lmao: He can't honestly say that he didn't know the risks ahead of time. Shame on Dave Pear for living through the glory days and then expecting everyone else to clean up the mess he made and was left with once it was all over.
Seriously?!You SERIOUSLY think that guys back then didnt know the catastrophic effect the game would have on physically/mentally long term?! It's nearly 2010 and we still have guys like Hines Ward calling out his QB for not playing b/c of the effects of a concussion. More and more research is coming to light within only the last decade of what horrific things football does to people's brains, let alone in the day which Pear played.

To this day its still expected that you completely sacrifice your body to the Gods of the Almighty Dollar, and if you don't there is someone who will. To think the NFL truly, truly believes in the well-being of its players once they can no longer produce on the field is turning a blind eye to the truth.

 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
I don't know about you, but I don't think of not being able to walk as retirement. And I'm sure he would gladly give back his $40k "salary" just to have the use of his body back.
I feel bad for him. I'm sure his day-to-day life really sucks. But let's not forget that he made a choice to do that to his body. If he wants to be mad at someone, it should be his players union from 30 years ago. They knew the effects of the NFL on a players body but didn't have the proper retirement options in place. Like I said, he's lucky the NFL today is playing nice and giving him any money.
 
Well, geez, maybe smashing into another human being at full speed may not be the best thing for my health.I may be wrong here, but I don't think human beings were designed to smash into each other. All these NFL players must know the risks of playing this sport.I think as the medical profession undercovers more and more about the ill effects of playing football, the sport will eventuallyfade out into irrelevance, somewhat like boxing has. Kids will chose alternatives like baseball, hockey, basketball, etc. Either that, or the equipment must improve substantially, or players have to trained not to engage in hard impacts.I wonder how retirees of rugby are coping with the aftermath of playing a contact sport like that? In rugby, there is limited protective equipment. Perhaps the body contact isn't as severe as American football? Not sure.
The body contact is not nearly as severe as it is in football. I should know, I played rugby until I was 44.
 
Lots of revisionist history in some of the opinions expressed. As well as some opinions of, "knowledge today was known or should have been known 30 years ago".

 
It will certainly be interesting to see if the push for an 18 game regular season schedule gives more $ to the players union so they can pay more benefits to ex-players... by punishing the current crop of players physically each year.

Maybe instead of having a single bye week per team each season they should just have 18 weeks of football and make it a rule no player can play in more than 6 consecutive weeks so that each player gets 2-3 weeks off a year(of course many do already due to injuries). A side effect would make the salaries for key backups like QB much higher paying... which could also be a good thing for the players as a whole imo. I'd also just have one preseason game at neutral locations so the NFL can still get the international exposure it seems to crave so much and season ticket holders aren't forced to pay for any ridiculous preseason games.

Seems like there are lots of tweaks that could be made to benefit the players, the league and the fans.

 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
:thumbup: :hot: :goodposting: He can't honestly say that he didn't know the risks ahead of time. Shame on Dave Pear for living through the glory days and then expecting everyone else to clean up the mess he made and was left with once it was all over.
I would bet a lot that he didn't know the risks ahead of time.
 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
Did you even read the post? He's hardly lucky.I know people who got stic in the 70s from installing carpet (chemicals, fumes). He was unable to work after 4 years and "retired" at 25. He gets 50k a year and won a $1.2 million in a lawsuit. And 40k after suffering without benefits for 25 years? It's a complete joke. If you hire people to work for you, and it ####s them up for life you need to cover it. There's no "lucky it was the NFL". He's UNLUCKY it was the NFL. Any other business would have been forced to pay. You have cashiers getting money for carpal tunnel. This guy can't get out of bed, and they deny his claims? *lol* You have people spilling coffee getting 100,000s of dollars. This guy is disabled, and the NFL for 25 years acting like there was no link. *lol* It's sick. These guys built the league. It's chump change to the NFL. And the players union is just as bad. You can fat blobs like Russell making 60 million, and a quarter of that could help out every sick NFL vet. It's an utter disgrace.
Not :goodposting: but "outstanding".
 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
;) :lmao: ;) He can't honestly say that he didn't know the risks ahead of time. Shame on Dave Pear for living through the glory days and then expecting everyone else to clean up the mess he made and was left with once it was all over.
I would bet a lot that he didn't know the risks ahead of time.
what risks?prima donna players believe they are invincible

maybe if they were concerned about the long term health consequences, they could get a real job

 
Pear chose a career that had very limited retirement, benefits, and disability at the time. Then he retired from that career at age 27. I don't know about you, but I can't retire at age 27. Now he gets $40k annually which is a pretty nice retirement salary for someone who retired so young. He's really lucky that the NFL turned into a billion dollar business so that they could afford to pay him or else he'd be SOL.
I don't know about you, but I don't think of not being able to walk as retirement. And I'm sure he would gladly give back his $40k "salary" just to have the use of his body back.
I feel bad for him. I'm sure his day-to-day life really sucks. But let's not forget that he made a choice to do that to his body. If he wants to be mad at someone, it should be his players union from 30 years ago. They knew the effects of the NFL on a players body but didn't have the proper retirement options in place. Like I said, he's lucky the NFL today is playing nice and giving him any money.
Why would he? They got a pension plan and health insurance approved in the 60s. It's only when he actually needed it that he was denied......twice, and Upshaw and the NFLPA did nothing about it. Why would he? Those guys don't get a vote. They have no stake in today's game and no power. There's no incentive for the owners or NFLPA to care about whether past agreements are honoured. The only recourse for the players would be legal action - but they're too busy paying their medical bills.
 
My father-in-law drove a bread truck for the majority of his adult life. Both his rotator cuffs are basically gone, he can't left his hands above shoulder height, and it takes him 5 minutes to put a shirt on.

He didn't get to retire at 27 getting $40k/yr for the rest of his life. Instead he retired at 60 and gets little enough for it that he still has to work in his "retirement" to pay the bills.

As for this whole "people didn't know about the long term effects 30 years ago", c'mon, you don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize that running around getting hit by people all day year round is not good for your body. Unless Pear is claiming that he is the dumbest person on the planet, he knew what he was getting into.

 
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My father-in-law drove a bread truck for the majority of his adult life. Both his rotator cuffs are shot to heck, he can't left his hands above shoulder height, and it takes him 5 minutes to put a shirt on.He didn't get to retire at 27 getting $40k/yr for the rest of his life. Instead he retired at 60 and gets little enough for it that he still has to work in his "retirement" to pay the bills.As for this whole "people didn't know about the long term effects 30 years ago", c'mon, you don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize that running around getting hit by people all day year round is not good for your body. Unless Pear is claiming that he is the dumbest person on the planet, he knew what he was getting into.
It irritates me when people dont actually read to understand the article. Pear did NOT get 40K/year since he was 27. In fact his wife has been working 2 jobs to support him. It got approved finally in 2009 after being denied twice and having numerous surgeries done out of his own pocket.I think we all realize that the world is round. Why centuries ago did they not realize it? Something that is common sense now and something you think everyone should have known back then is biased by hindsight whether you want to admit it or not. Im sure going into football he didn't realize he was going to be disabled by the time he was 30.
 
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I think we all realize that the world is round. Why centuries ago did they not realize it?
That's a myth. There were "primitive" societies that were able to calculate and predict eclipses as well as build monuments that are aligned to the stars/sun. Saying that people believed the Earth was flat is like saying Columbus "discovered" America... it's just taught to reinforce a Eurocentric view of the world.
 
I think we all realize that the world is round. Why centuries ago did they not realize it?
That's a myth. There were "primitive" societies that were able to calculate and predict eclipses as well as build monuments that are aligned to the stars/sun. Saying that people believed the Earth was flat is like saying Columbus "discovered" America... it's just taught to reinforce a Eurocentric view of the world.
what's that got to do with Dave Pear?
 
I'm sure any number of people wish they never played football, not just professional football pensioners. It's a dangerous, physical game, one in which participants get severely hurt at all levels. Injuries are customary, foreseeable and expected.

I know a kid who lost his left eye playing baseball at the age of 12. Eyeball came out of the socket and rolled foul down the dirt along the third base line. He wishes he never played baseball.

Take a walk through the VFW sometime and talk to some of those guys and ask them for their list of things they wish they had never done. Many of them didn't have a legal choice about whether to do the things they regret. Some were conscripted, some followed orders and some chose between two terrible options through the smoke.

I understand the fact that Dave Pear chose to be an entertainer in a highly dangerous collision game as his trade doesn't make his pain any less, but I weigh his pain differently than the pain of people who were injured in the line of duty, maimed raising our food, infected trying to heal the sick, or shot trying to keep the public enemy off our doorsteps.

This may sound harsh or unfeeling, but if that circus guy who catches bullets with his teeth one day needs to see a dentist because his enamel is all screwed up, I won't be leading or contributing to the 501©(3) trying to get his dental bills paid.

One thing that would be helpful that the NFL can do NOW is to standardize the protective equipment that all players must wear. I see players not wearing proper protective gear out there every Sunday.

Regret is an awful part of life.

 
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And Celek gets fined for a Captain Morgan pose after a TD to help support the Gridiron Greats Fund... how sad..
Because beer companies that can find a way to advertise their product DURING the NFL games should be tolerated.
 
When a player plays thru pain and goes thru the entire offseason and is still not recovered from injuries and steps back out onto the field, then the fault switches over to them. They are great competitors and we all know many football players are not Einstein, but to not think about their own futures and live going forward was foolish on their part.

He played in the 70's? Did he not take a look at those who had played before him to see how they were faring with their post football lives? I feel bad for these guys who gave up their future for our entertainment and our enjoyment, but it was their choice at the end of the day.

 
Let's see, Dave Pear gets 40K per year from the business he worked for where the nature of the job contributed significantly to injuries that have racked up over 500K in medical bills and Pear should be considered lucky that the NFL gives him any money at all? I don't think so. It's understandable that the NFL in hindsight wasn't prepared for the physical effects of the game, but 40K is woefully inadequate.

I love football. I didn't play organized football past middle school, but I probably played football 3-4 days a week until I was 16 or 17. A significant amount of my work week is devoted to the sport. If I could retire and spend my days playing Madden and flag football, I'd do it. If there's a heaven and it incorporates what you personally desire to do, mine would include a game of football every day.

That said, I'd have serious reservations allowing any child of mine play organized football past middle school.

What I'm especially interested in seeing is whether we'll ever find out if the health issues of players from the 60s moving forward are worse than those who played in say the 50s and prior when the rules were less stringent, but the equipment didn't make players human projectiles.

This will be too controversial an approach, but if I had omnipotent power over the league I'd do this:

-Radically change the salary structure of the league where the minimum salary remains the same but the maximum salaries are cut significantly (50 percent).

- The 50 percent of those funds taken from these paychecks are automatically invested back into each NFL player through a medical/retirement trust fund. Basically a lot of players may make half of what they do today, but half of what they lose is invested in a trust fund that is essentially the NFL matching their salary for medical expenses.

- Another 25 percent would go into aggressive research into researching equipment to see whether the new stuff actually helps/hurts and into R&I for new equipment.

- The remaining 25 percent would be added to the budget for the retired veterans in need.

Maybe the numbers needed to be adjusted more towards the retired vets and less towards the current players since they will have significant dollars invested over a longer period of time, but you get my drift in broad strokes. I think the NFL has to focus on what they'll do to help players moving forward. I think this is one way to consider.

 
So how much was due to his playing in high school and college, and how much due to his playing in the NFL?

Did the injuries start in high school? Is that where the degeneration started?

I was playing soccer in the back yard with my kids and stepped into a depression and split my meniscus. Twenty years later I had to quit playing basketball because the pain was too great. Was it basketball, was it the soccer in my backyard?

Yes, the NFL could do more. But who knows how much of it is the NFL, and how much of it is genetic, and how much of it is previous injuries?

 
So how much was due to his playing in high school and college, and how much due to his playing in the NFL?Did the injuries start in high school? Is that where the degeneration started?I was playing soccer in the back yard with my kids and stepped into a depression and split my meniscus. Twenty years later I had to quit playing basketball because the pain was too great. Was it basketball, was it the soccer in my backyard?Yes, the NFL could do more. But who knows how much of it is the NFL, and how much of it is genetic, and how much of it is previous injuries?
well, seeing as how you were playing basketball 20 yrs later, and didn't have to undergo a dozen surgeries on your meniscus, I'd say your situation was somewhat different.how many kids who quit football after high school do you imagine are in pear's condition?
 
This will be too controversial an approach, but if I had omnipotent power over the league I'd do this:

-Radically change the salary structure of the league where the minimum salary remains the same but the maximum salaries are cut significantly (50 percent).

- The 50 percent of those funds taken from these paychecks are automatically invested back into each NFL player through a medical/retirement trust fund. Basically a lot of players may make half of what they do today, but half of what they lose is invested in a trust fund that is essentially the NFL matching their salary for medical expenses.

- Another 25 percent would go into aggressive research into researching equipment to see whether the new stuff actually helps/hurts and into R&I for new equipment.

- The remaining 25 percent would be added to the budget for the retired veterans in need.
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To clarify:

Example, Player A makes 1 million a year.

I'd take 50 percent of that (500K) out.

Of that 50 percent I took out, I'd take a half of that (250 K) I'd put into a retirement/med bills trust for the player. The player would receive the money for this trust for medical issues only until say 50 (it would need to be studied to determine an appropriate age) and then the rest of the money is distributed at his discretion.

Half of that 50 percent I took out, I'd put (25 percent or 125 K) I'd put into research

The remaining half of that 50 percent I took out (125K) I'd give to a fund for the retired vets.

I would also set up some kind of retirement fund where if you're a former player and you become a coach, GM, or staff on a team that you can continued to give into this plan on some level to benefit yourself and fellow vets.

 
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I see --- subtract the 'the' out and it makes sense.

- The 50 percent of those funds taken from these paychecks are automatically invested back into each NFL player through a medical/retirement trust fund. Basically a lot of players may make half of what they do today, but half of what they lose is invested in a trust fund that is essentially the NFL matching their salary for medical expenses.

- Another 25 percent would go into aggressive research into researching equipment to see whether the new stuff actually helps/hurts and into R&I for new equipment.

- The remaining 25 percent would be added to the budget for the retired veterans in need.
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To clarify:

Example, Player A makes 1 million a year.

I'd take 50 percent of that (500K) out.

Of that 50 percent I took out, I'd take a half of that (250 K) I'd put into a retirement/med bills trust for the player. The player would receive the money for this trust for medical issues only until say 50 (it would need to be studied to determine an appropriate age) and then the rest of the money is distributed at his discretion.

Half of that 50 percent I took out, I'd put (25 percent or 125 K) I'd put into research

The remaining half of that 50 percent I took out (125K) I'd give to a fund for the retired vets.
although, half of the 50% you took out is 250k, so I think you're just confusing things even more, but I see what you're trying to get at.now you've got 3 halves in there.

 
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I'll make easier for those of you whose reading comprehension is off this morning (or my communication is still sleepy)

Total Salary - 1 mil

500K taken out for these purposes: 250K for trust fund + 125K for research and innovation + 125K for retired vets.

Have a Kool Aid and enjoy...

 

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