TobiasFunke
Footballguy
This is another attempt to start a pleasant, informative thread about A-C-C basketball far from the prying eyes of certain posters. He found the the crochet thread, so maybe a different forum will work?
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Tau837
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Can we talk other teams here too?
Go Gophers.
Go Gophers.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Did anyone actually see what happened to Tech last night? Lots of surprised posters (like me), but haven't heard a postmortem yet.
The Commish
Footballguy
Thanks for the tip
I was watching the Orange Bowl, but if it was anything like what I watched against UNCC on Saturday, it was pretty bad. They were fortunate to win that game...UNCC was off and didn't have as many horses. I wasn't aware that a good number of the fans were that upset with the coaching staff, but I can understand why they are.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Didn't see it because of the Orange Bowl and glad I didn't. Totally frustrated with CPH.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Looking forward to the UNC-VaTech game to really show me how far the Tar Heels have fallen. Greenberg always gets them up for big games.
About last night, maybe the GaTech players were watching the Orange Bowl too?
About last night, maybe the GaTech players were watching the Orange Bowl too?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I had to do something to provide cover, and a figured a Royal was least likely to draw the attention of the baseball folks.I can talk DeJesus too, if you'd like. And his name. What's up with that?I'm disappointed by the direction of this thread.
Count me as a BIG DeJesus fan.
Reminds me of Bernardo O'Reilly
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Just watched the Magnificent 7 and he was Irish and MexicanI had to do something to provide cover, and a figured a Royal was least likely to draw the attention of the baseball folks.I can talk DeJesus too, if you'd like. And his name. What's up with that?I'm disappointed by the direction of this thread.
Count me as a BIG DeJesus fan.
Reminds me of Bernardo O'Reilly
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Anything posted in here draws the attention of us baseball folks.
That said, good luck with this.TommyGilmore
Footballguy
You know, it's easier to search for "A-C-C" than "ACC".
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Darn - I really likes David early on in his career. IF he falls to the right place in re-drafts he is worth the pick. I have not followed hoops alot thus far so I can't help ya'll there!
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm no search function expert. Just trying to avoid a particularly annoying poster. The LHUCKS of college basketball, he's been called.Sorry, baseball folks. If it helps, I like DeJesus, and look forward to visiting these parts regularly starting in a month or so to talk fantasy drafts and PECOTA projections and all that good stuff.
Eephus
Footballguy
DeJesus is a better player than he's given credit for, although much of his value comes from his ability to play a decent CF. If he loses some range and can't play CF, he'll take a hit.He'd get a lot more recognition if he played somewhere other than KC
great thread
shut it down
Footballguy
Cornell/KU.
Eephus
Footballguy
If he was manager of the KC Royals, they'd probably be a .500 club within two years. Either that or Zack Greinke would end up institutionalized
I haven't enjoyed watching a Duke player as much as I enjoy Scheyer since Battier. Same type of player - never the most athletic guy on the court, but someone who always seems to be in the right place, making the correct play under control, taking the right shot at the right time.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It an admin is going to let this fly, maybe we can actually have an enjoyable conversation about college basketball around here.Thanks to the baseball folks for letting us take a small corner of your board. If you've ever come across Ripleys/PantherPower, you understand.Another solid performance from Duke last night. What's the mood in the fan base? Are they thinking a 14-2 type ACC season, or are expectations tempered? Any word on Dawkins' state of mind? You gotta feel for the kid.
TLEF316
Footballguy
They wont go 14-2. The fan base is confident right now (at least the fan base i encounter on the rivals boards) but not overconfident. They recongize that the team has holes and issues with backcourt depth (if Scheyer or Smith gets hurt, it could get ugly). I do think they'll win the ACC outright by at least 2 games though. Dawkins hasnt played much since he got back. My guess is his head just isn't there right now. He's probably not focusing too well in practice, which would cost him playing time anyway. I dont think K is punishing him for that. His lack of PT is probably a combination of lack of focus and K just allowing him to take it easy. He'll be back. Just needs some time.Mason Plumlee looking better every day. If he makes the same phsyical jump from year 1-year2 that his brother did (in terms of finishing and adding muscle) he's gonna be a beast next year.
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
At this point I think most Duke fans think they'll go somewhere between 14-2 to 12-4 and win the ACC, but I don't think many of us think we're totally an NCAA Championship team. More than anything, this isn't the typical Duke team, so the fanbase doesn't really know what to expect.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I saw that Dawkins hasn't played much, and I assumed it was because of what happened, since the guy was obviously off to a great start to the season and he's clearly needed for backcourt depth. Was curious as to whether there was any inside scoop on how he's been doing. Tough break for the guy- he had been put in a great spot this season.The wife had the remote last night, but I'm really looking forward to checking out Duke-Tech Saturday afternoon. Certainly one of Duke's three or four toughest tests of the ACC season and should be one of the more entertaining games of the year.
TLEF316
Footballguy
people were on Mason Plumlee last night because he got beat off the dribble a few times. However, it wasn't really his fault. When a 6'10 guy is forced to switch onto a guard 20 feet from the basket, he's going to get beat. There's no excuse for the help defense to not be there in time when the drive starts so far out. Mason's footwork is still mediocre out there, but the help should get there on a drive that takes at least 3 (probably 4) dribbles to get to the rim.
Singler continues to struggle shooting the ball, but Smith is on fire.
Singler continues to struggle shooting the ball, but Smith is on fire.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Why can't it be both?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Really? Always thought Singler had a pure shot. Any thoughts on what is going on?
TLEF316
Footballguy
he's got 2's and 3's chasing him around instead of 4's. Plus, now when he beats his man off the dribble, those 4's and 5's that used to be on his hip are now coming from the weak side to challenge his layups and floaters. Forces him to rush shots with a hand in his face. He's still having a good year, but not the first team AA year Duke was anticipating.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Other matches
odgers- John Calipari. I think they're required by MLB rules to have a likable but also slightly mysterious Italian guy at the helm.Twins- Bo Ryan. Unassuming midwestern coach who has quietly put together remarkable results over the last decade despite limited resources paired with identical MLB team.White Sox- Roy Williams. South Side fans and press used to proven winners who also belittle them with sometimes irrational tirades.Mets- Sidney Lowe. He's used to the annual ritual of outsized expectations followed by inevitable failure.
shut it down
Footballguy
Oakland A's - John Beilein. Somewhat (although less so now) unorthodox philosophy that results in what appear to be some head-scratching personnel choices.Other matches
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Thanks. Hope to see the game tomorrow.TLEF316 said:
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Yankees (2002-2008) - Coach K. Dynastic in a different era but now overrated heading into each season, they always end up somehow convincing most people that they're a legit contender for a title even though they've got glaring holes. Then they lose way earlier than the majority expects, and everyone acts shocked.TobiasFunke said:Other matchesMichael Brown said:
Eephus
Footballguy
I was thinking Jerry Tarkanian and the UNLV booster club as a match for the Yankees front office.Yankees (2002-2008) - Coach K. Dynastic in a different era but now overrated heading into each season, they always end up somehow convincing most people that they're a legit contender for a title even though they've got glaring holes. Then they lose way earlier than the majority expects, and everyone acts shocked.TobiasFunke said:Other matchesMichael Brown said:
Kovax
Footballguy
Dudes wife is probably exhausted between all of the children and drunken beatings.Just watched the Magnificent 7 and he was Irish and MexicanI had to do something to provide cover, and a figured a Royal was least likely to draw the attention of the baseball folks.I can talk DeJesus too, if you'd like. And his name. What's up with that?I'm disappointed by the direction of this thread.
Count me as a BIG DeJesus fan.
Reminds me of Bernardo O'Reilly
Scheyer is having the year that many expected from Singler, and Singler is having the year many expected from Scheyer. You won't find any Duke fans who predicted "At mid point of season Scheyer will be a slam dunk first team AA, ACC POY, contender for NPOY", all of which he is right now. A lot can certainly happen in conference play that would change that, but right now, he's all of those things, which is shocking. Those things were predicted for Singler, not Scheyer.Also, I don't think too many predicted this kind of a season from Nolan. Hoped for perhaps, not predicted. The Dawkins situation is tragic to say the least. I know he's getting every ounce of support the team and doctors can give him, but I'm a 35 year old man who lost my sister earlier this year and it's taken me most of the year to get right. I cannot imagine losing a sister at his age unexpectedly. The question for me is can the four headed monster of a front court hit open 15 footer consistently, grab rebounds, and put in their 8-10 ppg. Especially Mason Plumlee - he's the best athlete of the group and his ceiling is sky high. 6'10" guys who can jump out of the gym are rare. If he continues to improve after the wrist injury set him back a couple of months and the bigs are consistently at least average, Duke is a legitimate Final Four team IF healthy. If Mason regresses or the front court starts to fade with as the rigor of conference play sets in, they're not. Also worth noting is the defensive adjustment this team has made over past Duke teams. Past Duke teams denied the ball and played the passing lanes to a fault. They were SO uber aggressive at pressuring the ball and trying to create steals/transition that they got beat off of the dribble too much (see Paulus, Greg). K finally dialed it back to a 9 instead of an 11. As a result, we're getting beat off of the dribble far less frequently and this is the best defensive Duke team in several years. They aren't creating as many TOs, but they're also not getting pounded off the dribble. This team wasn't going to excel in transition anyway, so playing balls out every possession for the steal wasn't going to work any better this year than it had in the last couple. You can play that way when you've Duhon or Daniel Ewing or Jason Williams to pressure the ball. You cannot play that way when Paulus is your primary PG defender.
Eephus
Footballguy
there's been a player named Jamie Moyer every decade since the 80s
boubucarow
Footballguy
And I am being reminded in a OOTP historical league that Moyer was basically the suck a long time before figuring out to throw his changeup insanely slow and to try and keep him on the Cubs until he does well costs way too much money.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Great to here from you about ACC basketball and sorry to hear about your sister.
shut it down
Footballguy
What are your theory/theories re: Duke's late-season swoons of the last few years?Unrelated, Roscoe Smif to Connecticut.
I know this makes me sounds like a homer, but my honest opinion is that the last few years worth of Duke teams haven't swooned late in the season. Instead, they've played over their heads during the regular seasons and earned seeds that were higher than they probably should have. The perception of Duke in decline is really nothing more than the class of 2005. That class - including Josh McRoberts and Greg Paulus - was higher rated than UNC's class that included Hansbrough. In retrospect, that was a disastrously awful class for Duke. Paulus never became an ACC caliber PG, McRoberts didn't come close to turning into the Ferry/Laettner clone most expected him to be and he didn't handle the expectations well at all. That class brought Duke back to the pack at the same time UNC was hitting recruiting home runs. As a result of that recruiting class and guys leaving early, Duke has been several years without a well balanced team. Lots of talented parts, but never put together correctly. There would be lots of guards with no bigs. Or lots of freshmen with no upperclassmen. Happens to lots of programs, and Duke is no exception. I think Krzyzewski managed to get some of those teams far gaudier regular season records than they probably should have had. The last Duke team that I think really failed to live up to expectations was 2006. There's no way that team had any business losing to LSU in the sweet 16.
shut it down
Footballguy
So I've really not kept up with the CBB chat over the last month or so in here, I assume what's-his-name has been his usual unbearable self? Is there any sort of protocol for directing people over into this thread, and I assume everyone *cough* is on board with not tipping him off this time?
Very tough game for UCONN tomorrow. The CBB league has been a blast so far, although there really seems to be no indicator as to how well one's going to do from week-to-week. It always seems to be a surprise.
Very tough game for UCONN tomorrow. The CBB league has been a blast so far, although there really seems to be no indicator as to how well one's going to do from week-to-week. It always seems to be a surprise.
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i'm not seeing it. Duke has a significant relative competitive disadvantage in their academic standards, whereas the Yankees have a significant relative competitive advantage in their payroll.Everyone else's comparisons have been spot on thoughYankees (2002-2008) - Coach K. Dynastic in a different era but now overrated heading into each season, they always end up somehow convincing most people that they're a legit contender for a title even though they've got glaring holes. Then they lose way earlier than the majority expects, and everyone acts shocked.Other matches
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Great recovery by GT to beat Du ke today after bad loss to Georgia the other night. Watching the game today I felt like GT has a lot more pure talent than Du ke but Du ke is so obviously more well-coached than Tech is. Everything Du ke does revolves around Scheyer. If I were game planning them I would take a tough, rugged defender and just pound on him and try to wear him down. Easier said than done.
It's Duke
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Thanks. Hoping the thread won't be found if that word is searched
True, but that's been a knock against Duke for the last 20 years - they're never freakishly athletic. From the Duke perspective, if did feel like GT was more athletic than Duke, but it felt like Duke had a better collection of basketball players, though not today clearly. Heck of an effort by Tech to not fold up in the second half. It's a conference road game against a ranked opponent, so I'm not surprised Duke lost. I am surprised by the disappearance of Kyle Singler. It seems like everything ran through Scheyer today because Singler laid a complete egg. On the up side, Mason Plumlee should replace Lance Thomas in the starting line up effective immediately. Good to see that effort from one of the bigs.
