David Garrard (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

He is ranked 11th in my league (19 pts a game) which would make him a QB1. Yet he has absolutely no value whatsoever. Ive tried trading him for a WR3/4 type and still no bites. How come Garrard, a QB1, is getting no love whatsoever?

 

[omally]

My guess is that it's based on Jacksonville's WR's. I think Garrard has been steady.

 

[faux_bear]

He is ranked 11th in my league (19 pts a game) which would make him a QB1. Yet he has absolutely no value whatsoever. Ive tried trading him for a WR3/4 type and still no bites. How come Garrard, a QB1, is getting no love whatsoever?

not really sure. Maybe it's the perceived lack of potential for an explosiveness game. He's been incredibly consistent, but hasn't really had an amazing game. I have Romo and Garrard and someone in my league recently offered me a trade for HIS backup QB, and suggested that I needed a better backup. Garrard has more PPG than Schaub or Jason Campbell, but I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would prefer Garrard right now.

 

[Wadsworth]

David has been steady and if you are good with around 200 yards, 1 TD and some rushing yards thrown in then by all means, he's your guy. The knock on David is that there is very little upside for a Jaguars QB while the defense is playing well. Del Rio will gladly lock down the offense and play not to lose any chance he gets and that is going to keep Garrard's numbers low/average most of the time.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

David has been steady and if you are good with around 200 yards, 1 TD and some rushing yards thrown in then by all means, he's your guy. The knock on David is that there is very little upside for a Jaguars QB while the defense is playing well. Del Rio will gladly lock down the offense and play not to lose any chance he gets and that is going to keep Garrard's numbers low/average most of the time.

VERY . This nails it to a T..........

 

[Tau837]

David has been steady and if you are good with around 200 yards, 1 TD and some rushing yards thrown in then by all means, he's your guy. The knock on David is that there is very little upside for a Jaguars QB while the defense is playing well. Del Rio will gladly lock down the offense and play not to lose any chance he gets and that is going to keep Garrard's numbers low/average most of the time.

I agree this is what lots of people think, but I'm not sure I agree. Maybe it depends on definition of upside - I agree Garrard isn't a candidate for 30+ point games. But he certainly is likely to have some bigger games this season than he has had so far.Last season, the Jags offense was #11 in total yardage; this year so far they are #27. They currently are averaging 1.5 TDs per game; last season, they averaged 2.5 TDs per game. There is a lot of room for improvement in their offense.Last season, Garrard played 10 games, and in 3 of them he had 2-3 passing TDs and 0 interceptions. Leftwich played in 6 games, and in 2 of them he had 2-3 passing TDs. Between them, they had 4 games of at least 21.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring). That in and of itself isn't overwhelming, but Garrard seems to be playing better this year IMO. So I think his upside is a bit higher than last year.Garrard's yardage is solid. He is averaging 212 passing yards per game and 26 rushing yards per game. He has no interceptions. He also has no rushing TDs or multiple TD games. Some of those will come, which by definition means he has upside over his performance this season to date. Meanwhile, he seems to have little downside.I have him as my second QB in a 16 team league, and I haven't played him, but I'm happy to have him. However, it is true that he doesn't have good perceived value - you'd think he would be valuable in a 16 team league with no QBs on the waiver wire and 12 backups starting in the NFL as of this week... but no one seems to be interested. I would love to see him put up a couple 20+ point games back to back and then try to move him as part of a package deal.

 

[wudaben]

I agree with you guys... I've got Garrard and am starting him in Peyton's absence this week. I tried to trade him a couple time but there weren't any takers but if you could tell me I'd be able to get a consistent 15-20 points every week from my qb then I'd jump on it. Shoot....if someone were able to overwhelm me in a trade I'd consider giving up Peyton in favor of Garrard!.....wait.....maybe not

 

[Wadsworth]

David has been steady and if you are good with around 200 yards, 1 TD and some rushing yards thrown in then by all means, he's your guy. The knock on David is that there is very little upside for a Jaguars QB while the defense is playing well. Del Rio will gladly lock down the offense and play not to lose any chance he gets and that is going to keep Garrard's numbers low/average most of the time.

I agree this is what lots of people think, but I'm not sure I agree. Maybe it depends on definition of upside - I agree Garrard isn't a candidate for 30+ point games. But he certainly is likely to have some bigger games this season than he has had so far.Last season, the Jags offense was #11 in total yardage; this year so far they are #27. They currently are averaging 1.5 TDs per game; last season, they averaged 2.5 TDs per game. There is a lot of room for improvement in their offense.Last season, Garrard played 10 games, and in 3 of them he had 2-3 passing TDs and 0 interceptions. Leftwich played in 6 games, and in 2 of them he had 2-3 passing TDs. Between them, they had 4 games of at least 21.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring). That in and of itself isn't overwhelming, but Garrard seems to be playing better this year IMO. So I think his upside is a bit higher than last year.Garrard's yardage is solid. He is averaging 212 passing yards per game and 26 rushing yards per game. He has no interceptions. He also has no rushing TDs or multiple TD games. Some of those will come, which by definition means he has upside over his performance this season to date. Meanwhile, he seems to have little downside.I have him as my second QB in a 16 team league, and I haven't played him, but I'm happy to have him. However, it is true that he doesn't have good perceived value - you'd think he would be valuable in a 16 team league with no QBs on the waiver wire and 12 backups starting in the NFL as of this week... but no one seems to be interested. I would love to see him put up a couple 20+ point games back to back and then try to move him as part of a package deal.

I agree that Garrard has some upside and more value than he seems to get credit for, but there is also some downside. If the Jags get a big lead early, David might not throw 15 passes in that game. For example, the Philly and Indy games last season where David totaled around 200 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT combined. The Jags won both games, but only attempted 31 passes combined. So 2 out of 10 games David got low single digit scoring. Also, David blew up with turnovers in 2 other games last season. Against Houston he had 255 total yards, but 4 INTs and then against Tenn he had 277 total and a TD, but also 3 INTs and a fumble. So that's another 2 games out of 10 with single digit scoring. So yea, David has some upside we haven't seen yet this season, but he also has some downside we haven't seen yet this season either.

 

[shadyridr]

David has been steady and if you are good with around 200 yards, 1 TD and some rushing yards thrown in then by all means, he's your guy. The knock on David is that there is very little upside for a Jaguars QB while the defense is playing well. Del Rio will gladly lock down the offense and play not to lose any chance he gets and that is going to keep Garrard's numbers low/average most of the time.

I agree this is what lots of people think, but I'm not sure I agree. Maybe it depends on definition of upside - I agree Garrard isn't a candidate for 30+ point games. But he certainly is likely to have some bigger games this season than he has had so far.Last season, the Jags offense was #11 in total yardage; this year so far they are #27. They currently are averaging 1.5 TDs per game; last season, they averaged 2.5 TDs per game. There is a lot of room for improvement in their offense.Last season, Garrard played 10 games, and in 3 of them he had 2-3 passing TDs and 0 interceptions. Leftwich played in 6 games, and in 2 of them he had 2-3 passing TDs. Between them, they had 4 games of at least 21.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring). That in and of itself isn't overwhelming, but Garrard seems to be playing better this year IMO. So I think his upside is a bit higher than last year.Garrard's yardage is solid. He is averaging 212 passing yards per game and 26 rushing yards per game. He has no interceptions. He also has no rushing TDs or multiple TD games. Some of those will come, which by definition means he has upside over his performance this season to date. Meanwhile, he seems to have little downside.I have him as my second QB in a 16 team league, and I haven't played him, but I'm happy to have him. However, it is true that he doesn't have good perceived value - you'd think he would be valuable in a 16 team league with no QBs on the waiver wire and 12 backups starting in the NFL as of this week... but no one seems to be interested. I would love to see him put up a couple 20+ point games back to back and then try to move him as part of a package deal.

I agree that Garrard has some upside and more value than he seems to get credit for, but there is also some downside. If the Jags get a big lead early, David might not throw 15 passes in that game. For example, the Philly and Indy games last season where David totaled around 200 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT combined. The Jags won both games, but only attempted 31 passes combined. So 2 out of 10 games David got low single digit scoring. Also, David blew up with turnovers in 2 other games last season. Against Houston he had 255 total yards, but 4 INTs and then against Tenn he had 277 total and a TD, but also 3 INTs and a fumble. So that's another 2 games out of 10 with single digit scoring. So yea, David has some upside we haven't seen yet this season, but he also has some downside we haven't seen yet this season either.

But if you average those upside and downside games we havent seen yet, youd think hed still average about 19 pts a game, still making him a QB1.

 

[omally]

Also, David blew up with turnovers in 2 other games last season. Against Houston he had 255 total yards, but 4 INTs

I remember watching this game last year, and 3 of those interceptions were not his fault. His receivers let him down big time in this game.

 

[Wadsworth]

Also, David blew up with turnovers in 2 other games last season. Against Houston he had 255 total yards, but 4 INTs

I remember watching this game last year, and 3 of those interceptions were not his fault. His receivers let him down big time in this game.

Same WRs still on the team, though.

 

[omally]

Also, David blew up with turnovers in 2 other games last season. Against Houston he had 255 total yards, but 4 INTs

I remember watching this game last year, and 3 of those interceptions were not his fault. His receivers let him down big time in this game.

Same WRs still on the team, though.

Which is too bad. Other than Jimmy Smith (and McCardell), they have had average WR's.

 

[rumblinbumblinstumbler]

I have him as my backup QB in both my leagues.

He has gotten 200 and a TD in each game so far.

To me, that is perfect for a backup. I want a guy who I can count on for steady production should my starter go down or for a bye week fill in. I'd rather have a solid guy in that spot than a guy who is just as likely to get a 0 as he is a 20.

 

[Possum]

Also, David blew up with turnovers in 2 other games last season. Against Houston he had 255 total yards, but 4 INTs

I remember watching this game last year, and 3 of those interceptions were not his fault. His receivers let him down big time in this game.

Same WRs still on the team, though.

I was at that Houston game and two passes went right off Matt Jones' hands for INTs - one was a slant that would've gone for a first down, the other one was more out towards the sideline (deep in or comeback or something). Man, that game sucked to watch.

 

[Moe Green]

I have him as my backup QB in both my leagues.He has gotten 200 and a TD in each game so far. To me, that is perfect for a backup. I want a guy who I can count on for steady production should my starter go down or for a bye week fill in. I'd rather have a solid guy in that spot than a guy who is just as likely to get a 0 as he is a 20.

I had him on two rosters until I dropped him in both for Warner. Garrard has been solid, if not spectacular this year. He won't blow up for 30 FF points, but he isn't going to give you the goose egg, either. He's a solid backup on FF rosters.

 

[AcerFC]

I plan on dropping Garcia for him this week as a bye week fill in for Kitna. I agree with the consitency aspect for a back up QB. I dont know if I would want to rely on him every week though

 

[shadyridr]

Great breakdown MoP. Solid.I just wanted to chime in on Garrard and his stats for the year to give a clearer picture why some may be a little higher on him that you. He is throwing at about 68% completion, only has one game so far this year under 25 attempts and has thrown a TD a game (no INTs) along with around 20 yards rushing per game. He is VASTLY better on his reads and progressions than last year, when he might as well have thrown the ball to the safeties considering his routes were jumped so often, and has a great sense of when to run and make the play with his legs. Personally, I think the Jags are going to lean on him more as the year goes on and he will come off the leash a bit more game by game. He hasn't keyed in on any reciever and is simply going to the open guy, and I think that is the first sign he is truly maturing as a QB. Houston is around 15th or so in pass defense on the year, and I think this will be a solid match-up - as AFC south divisional games are wont to be.ETA: I'm obviously a jags fan. I don't think my glasses are too teal colored however.

From the QB matchup thread

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Great breakdown MoP. Solid.I just wanted to chime in on Garrard and his stats for the year to give a clearer picture why some may be a little higher on him that you. He is throwing at about 68% completion, only has one game so far this year under 25 attempts and has thrown a TD a game (no INTs) along with around 20 yards rushing per game. He is VASTLY better on his reads and progressions than last year, when he might as well have thrown the ball to the safeties considering his routes were jumped so often, and has a great sense of when to run and make the play with his legs. Personally, I think the Jags are going to lean on him more as the year goes on and he will come off the leash a bit more game by game. He hasn't keyed in on any reciever and is simply going to the open guy, and I think that is the first sign he is truly maturing as a QB. Houston is around 15th or so in pass defense on the year, and I think this will be a solid match-up - as AFC south divisional games are wont to be.ETA: I'm obviously a jags fan. I don't think my glasses are too teal colored however.

From the QB matchup thread

Our league scoring system factors in completion % and turnovers, and Garrard is around QB 8 or 9 in PPG with a high week of 28 and a low week of 22.5. As others have noted, he has so far avoided the meltdown turnover games he had last year. His stats don't jump out at you, but if you are in a league that rewards efficiency he is one of the better kept secrets so far this year.

 

[timintey]

I'm comfortably playing him with Bulger out. And Bulger needs to show me something to replace him when he does come back...

 

[hoyaparanoia]

Ive dropped him in my league a couple of times and keep going back to him as my backup. Meanwhile, no one wants anything to do with him. I think he's a fantastic backup and gives me exactly what I need from a QB if you decided to draft a QB late.

Now with the bye weeks arrived, I hope he continues to produce at that level.

 

[Arschloch]

Everyone in this thread is referring to him as a backup. He's my starter!

No, I didn't plan on him being my starter at the beginning of the year, but that's just how it worked out. But I'm very happy with him -- as others have noted, he has been steady but unspectacular. He also picks up some rushing yards.

Here's what has me really amped: at Football Outsiders, he's ranked as the 4th best QB in the league this year. Note that this is "real" value, not "fantasy" value. So yes, even though he's only been throwing 25 passes per game, he has been extraordinarily efficient.

I'm curious to see how well he'll do if the Jags fall behind in a game and he has to throw it 40 times. If he can remain anywhere near as efficient, he'll have a big game.

 

[xenith]

I've got Gerrard as my backup. Satisfied enough I'm willing to move Kitna and use him as my starter.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

He's a steady QB and has some worth. He has scored, 15, 17, 19, 19 pts in his 4 starts in my 12 team Super Flex league (can start 2 QBs).

I was just offered Sammy Morris for him. Not bad value since Morris looks like a RB2/RB3 for the rest of the way even with Maroney back.

Since I picked Warner on the WW 2 weeks ago as a 3rd QB, I think I'll do the deal as I have 3 RBs on bye this week and now Jordan is iffy.

 

[OU#1]

I started Garrard last week and I have to start him this week since I just traded for Manning.

IMHO he's a SOLID low end QB1 in larger leagues since you know what your getting every week: Consistent points and he's not laying any eggs. You can't ask for much more than that from a JAX QB, or any QB for that matter. Just don't expect him to blow up any time soon...but he has some blow up potential with his rushing stats and the potential for a rush TD.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He is ranked 11th in my league (19 pts a game) which would make him a QB1. Yet he has absolutely no value whatsoever. Ive tried trading him for a WR3/4 type and still no bites. How come Garrard, a QB1, is getting no love whatsoever?

Because whether he's 9 or 11 or 13.....there's not much difference between those guys. BradyManningPalmerRomoFarveKitnaThose are my top 6 and then to me there's a big fantasy drop off. So, if you're offering me Garrard and I have Campbell or Eli Manning or Vince Young or Ben Roethesburger, do I really care?Shoot, anderson from Cleveland is a better option than him most of the time right now. So, not that he's a bad player ther'es just no real reason for love. He's just a 200 yard passing type guy who gets 1 to 2 Td's a week.Rather than trade away a WR 2 or heaven forbid a RB 2 for their team, guys would rather keep those positions filled and take a stab at starting Gus Ferrotte or Kurt Warner.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

He is ranked 11th in my league (19 pts a game) which would make him a QB1. Yet he has absolutely no value whatsoever. Ive tried trading him for a WR3/4 type and still no bites. How come Garrard, a QB1, is getting no love whatsoever?

I don't see how he could be that high unless your league gives an unusual number of points for QB rushing yards.In my league, we start 2 QBs and I've used him every week but the bye and he's ranked 19th.

 

[shadyridr]

He is ranked 11th in my league (19 pts a game) which would make him a QB1. Yet he has absolutely no value whatsoever. Ive tried trading him for a WR3/4 type and still no bites. How come Garrard, a QB1, is getting no love whatsoever?

I don't see how he could be that high unless your league gives an unusual number of points for QB rushing yards.In my league, we start 2 QBs and I've used him every week but the bye and he's ranked 19th.

.05 pts per passing yd, .1 pts for rushing yd, 6 pts per pass & rush td, -2 pt per int

 

[MU Seminole]

I like him but the JAX QB doesn't create much interest. He's solid with perceived low upside. In dynasty I've had a hard time dealing guys who people don't think can become a stud...solid guys are valuable in dynasty, too.

I had him on my roster for three years and traded him in Week 2 for Roddy White and a Rd 2 pick.

I historically got little interest for him, even during his starting stints. May have held onto him if not for a ton of QB depth, so moved him while news of being the longtime starter was still fresh.

 

[Tau837]

He is ranked 11th in my league (19 pts a game) which would make him a QB1. Yet he has absolutely no value whatsoever. Ive tried trading him for a WR3/4 type and still no bites. How come Garrard, a QB1, is getting no love whatsoever?

I don't see how he could be that high unless your league gives an unusual number of points for QB rushing yards.In my league, we start 2 QBs and I've used him every week but the bye and he's ranked 19th.

.05 pts per passing yd, .1 pts for rushing yd, 6 pts per pass & rush td, -2 pt per int

He is 13th in my league in ppg, which uses .0333 pts per passing yd, .1 pts per rushing yd, 6 pts per pass & rush TD, - 2 per int, -2 per lost fumble. However, Culpepper and Griese are both above him and have each played only 2 games... not sure they will remain above him. And Delhomme is above him, and is obviously done. So for current starters, he is no worse than 12th so far in my scoring system. My league is a 16 team league, so he is quite valuable IMO.

 

[shadyridr]