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David Price - Rays (1 Viewer)

gump

gump

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I don't play fantasy baseball...and am not sure what kind of an impact a guy like this can make...but thought I'd share a little insight from Tampa.

David Price, the 6-5 left-handed #1 overall draft pick, made his debut today in Tampa at Legends against the Yankees. I had front-row seats next to the Rays dugout.

Price mowed down the first batter he faced in 4 pitches...hitting at least 95 on a few fastballs.

Next batter he gets to 1-2, then DRILLS him in the back. Staking his claim on the inside.

Price then mows down the next 2 hitters in 7 pitches total...blowing multiple fastballs by each.

I was watching Maddon and Co...whispering to each other after every pitch.

He looked like a complete stud. A big left-hander who throws mid-90's. Granted it was backups he was facing...but I can't imagine he stays in the minors more than a month or two. He is a MAJOR part of the Rays plan for '09...and the more experience he gets in '08 the better.

Sleeper alert.

 
Highly doubt he's a sleeper in redrafts because he is not likely to have much of an impact this year. He shouldn't be a sleeper in dynasty leagues either if the teams know what they are doing since he was the #1 overall pick and has quite a college resume. I guess in keeper leagues he could be a late round add if you can hang onto him through the season and then keep upwards of 20 guys next year.

Regardless, the kid looks to be a frontline starter at the Major League level.

 
gump said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Highly doubt he's a sleeper in redrafts because he is not likely to have much of an impact this year.
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That's the point of my post...I think he makes more of an impact in '08 than people think.
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Doubt it. He might make an impact with the Devil Rays but I really don't think he'll make much of an impact in fantasy baseball. Andrew Miller is the same pitcher and last year was year one for him, look how that worked out. Not well in fantasy circles.
 
heh...I was probably about 8 rows behind you gump. If I would have known, I would have bought you a beer.

Anyways I agree...he was electric. Unbelievably impressive.

 
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Capella said:
heh...I was probably about 8 rows behind you gump. If I would have know, I would have bought you a beer.Anyways I agree...he was electric. Unbelievably impressive.
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:confused: Cappy! Funny listening to all the NYers #####ing about the cold!You could feel the energy in the dugout when Price screamed and stormed off the mound after that 3rd stikeout, couldn't you? I can't believe that Sonnanstine or Jackson will hold this guy off for long...
 
Doctor Detroit said:
gump said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Highly doubt he's a sleeper in redrafts because he is not likely to have much of an impact this year.
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That's the point of my post...I think he makes more of an impact in '08 than people think.
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Doubt it. He might make an impact with the Devil Rays but I really don't think he'll make much of an impact in fantasy baseball. Andrew Miller is the same pitcher and last year was year one for him, look how that worked out. Not well in fantasy circles.
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I'm not sure what the fantasy bball community expected Price's contribution would be...but I didn't think it was much. And that was backed by conversations I've had with people from the team itself. But I just can't imagine this guy being held back like planned...that's all I'm saying.
 
He looked great, I was impressed. It was pretty windy & chilly today, I even wore my wool hat (w/ shorts). And I'm in 104 at the end of the Yankee dugout, the shady section people looked really cold.

 
The Rays are loaded with # 1 starter type young arms in their minor league system. They are building something really good there.

 
gump said:
Capella said:
heh...I was probably about 8 rows behind you gump. If I would have know, I would have bought you a beer.Anyways I agree...he was electric. Unbelievably impressive.
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:thumbup: Cappy! Funny listening to all the NYers #####ing about the cold!You could feel the energy in the dugout when Price screamed and stormed off the mound after that 3rd stikeout, couldn't you? I can't believe that Sonnanstine or Jackson will hold this guy off for long...
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Edwin Jackson can tell them stories from when he was the #1 minor league pitching prospect :(
 
Eephus said:
gump said:
Capella said:
heh...I was probably about 8 rows behind you gump. If I would have know, I would have bought you a beer.Anyways I agree...he was electric. Unbelievably impressive.
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:thumbup: Cappy! Funny listening to all the NYers #####ing about the cold!You could feel the energy in the dugout when Price screamed and stormed off the mound after that 3rd stikeout, couldn't you? I can't believe that Sonnanstine or Jackson will hold this guy off for long...
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Edwin Jackson can tell them stories from when he was the #1 minor league pitching prospect :(
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Big difference though. Jackson was drafted in the 6th round. Price was #1 overall, and he won't spend enough time in the minors to be considered the best minor league prospect.
 
gump said:
Eephus said:
gump said:
Capella said:
heh...I was probably about 8 rows behind you gump. If I would have know, I would have bought you a beer.Anyways I agree...he was electric. Unbelievably impressive.
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:banned: Cappy! Funny listening to all the NYers #####ing about the cold!You could feel the energy in the dugout when Price screamed and stormed off the mound after that 3rd stikeout, couldn't you? I can't believe that Sonnanstine or Jackson will hold this guy off for long...
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Edwin Jackson can tell them stories from when he was the #1 minor league pitching prospect :bag:
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Big difference though. Jackson was drafted in the 6th round. Price was #1 overall, and he won't spend enough time in the minors to be considered the best minor league prospect.
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Not really that much difference, guy either has it or doesn't. Matt Anderson, Brian Bullington, Brien Taylor, and Tim Belcher were #1 overall picks also. Randy Johnson was a third round pick, John Smoltz was a 22nd round pick, and Johan Santana was a FA signing who ended up being exposed to the Rule 5 draft. Price could end up an All-Star or he could end up Tim Belcher but good money says he'll be a little better than Belcher.
 
gump said:
Eephus said:
gump said:
Capella said:
heh...I was probably about 8 rows behind you gump. If I would have know, I would have bought you a beer.Anyways I agree...he was electric. Unbelievably impressive.
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:banned: Cappy! Funny listening to all the NYers #####ing about the cold!You could feel the energy in the dugout when Price screamed and stormed off the mound after that 3rd stikeout, couldn't you? I can't believe that Sonnanstine or Jackson will hold this guy off for long...
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Edwin Jackson can tell them stories from when he was the #1 minor league pitching prospect :bag:
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Big difference though. Jackson was drafted in the 6th round. Price was #1 overall, and he won't spend enough time in the minors to be considered the best minor league prospect.
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The bigger difference is between High Schooler vs a College draftees. Without turning this into Moneyball II, Jackson had started Major League service at age 19 and put up a 2.45 ERA in three September starts. Price was a freshman at Vanderbilt at the same age.Jackson seems like he's been a disappointment forever but he's less than two years older than Price.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
gump said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Highly doubt he's a sleeper in redrafts because he is not likely to have much of an impact this year.
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That's the point of my post...I think he makes more of an impact in '08 than people think.
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Doubt it. He might make an impact with the Devil Rays but I really don't think he'll make much of an impact in fantasy baseball. Andrew Miller is the same pitcher and last year was year one for him, look how that worked out. Not well in fantasy circles.
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Same can be said of Tim Lincecum circa 2007, glad I took a shot in the dark with him with the last pick last year.
 
Darth Cheney said:
Thank God the Rays won't be able to pay all these guys in a few years. Hopefully the Yanks will snag one or two of them.
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They gave Shields long-term money this off-season and Kazmir has apparently been receptive of talks of the same. The same ownership group gave Crawford and Rocco new contracts after taking over too.Sorry to disappoint you, but this FO seems to have plans to keep these guys. Going to have to look elsewhere or *gasp* draft better.
 
Capella said:
Darth Cheney said:
Thank God the Rays won't be able to pay all these guys in a few years. Hopefully the Yanks will snag one or two of them.
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They gave Shields long-term money this off-season and Kazmir has apparently been receptive of talks of the same. The same ownership group gave Crawford and Rocco new contracts after taking over too.Sorry to disappoint you, but this FO seems to have plans to keep these guys. Going to have to look elsewhere or *gasp* draft better.
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I'm throwing you back. I was actually fishing for the "if there were a salary cap this team could keep all of its players" crowd. As far as the Yank's drafts go...they've done alright considering they are usually at the end of the round. It's not as hard when you continually have a top 10 pick.....which is IMO is something the above complainers never think through. If there were a salary cap....would the Rays (or any other team that people bemoan the demise of due to the inequality of team revenue) even have been able to amass such talent?
 
Darth Cheney said:
Capella said:
Darth Cheney said:
Thank God the Rays won't be able to pay all these guys in a few years. Hopefully the Yanks will snag one or two of them.
Click to expand...
They gave Shields long-term money this off-season and Kazmir has apparently been receptive of talks of the same. The same ownership group gave Crawford and Rocco new contracts after taking over too.Sorry to disappoint you, but this FO seems to have plans to keep these guys. Going to have to look elsewhere or *gasp* draft better.
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I'm throwing you back. I was actually fishing for the "if there were a salary cap this team could keep all of its players" crowd. As far as the Yank's drafts go...they've done alright considering they are usually at the end of the round. It's not as hard when you continually have a top 10 pick.....which is IMO is something the above complainers never think through. If there were a salary cap....would the Rays (or any other team that people bemoan the demise of due to the inequality of team revenue) even have been able to amass such talent?
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Yes it is. Signability is a huge issue in drafts. Agents can threaten to have their client go to college or sit out a year without signing. This causes many big name prospects to drop. (see JD Drew, Rick Ankiel, Matt Holliday).
 
Balco said:
Darth Cheney said:
Capella said:
Darth Cheney said:
Thank God the Rays won't be able to pay all these guys in a few years. Hopefully the Yanks will snag one or two of them.
Click to expand...
They gave Shields long-term money this off-season and Kazmir has apparently been receptive of talks of the same. The same ownership group gave Crawford and Rocco new contracts after taking over too.Sorry to disappoint you, but this FO seems to have plans to keep these guys. Going to have to look elsewhere or *gasp* draft better.
Click to expand...
I'm throwing you back. I was actually fishing for the "if there were a salary cap this team could keep all of its players" crowd. As far as the Yank's drafts go...they've done alright considering they are usually at the end of the round. It's not as hard when you continually have a top 10 pick.....which is IMO is something the above complainers never think through. If there were a salary cap....would the Rays (or any other team that people bemoan the demise of due to the inequality of team revenue) even have been able to amass such talent?
Click to expand...
Yes it is. Signability is a huge issue in drafts. Agents can threaten to have their client go to college or sit out a year without signing. This causes many big name prospects to drop. (see JD Drew, Rick Ankiel, Matt Holliday).
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Signability is an issue when it comes to a specific player. If you cannot continually hit on a top 10 draft pick...you have no business being a MLB GM.
 
Darth Cheney said:
Balco said:
Darth Cheney said:
Capella said:
Darth Cheney said:
Thank God the Rays won't be able to pay all these guys in a few years. Hopefully the Yanks will snag one or two of them.
Click to expand...
They gave Shields long-term money this off-season and Kazmir has apparently been receptive of talks of the same. The same ownership group gave Crawford and Rocco new contracts after taking over too.Sorry to disappoint you, but this FO seems to have plans to keep these guys. Going to have to look elsewhere or *gasp* draft better.
Click to expand...
I'm throwing you back. I was actually fishing for the "if there were a salary cap this team could keep all of its players" crowd. As far as the Yank's drafts go...they've done alright considering they are usually at the end of the round. It's not as hard when you continually have a top 10 pick.....which is IMO is something the above complainers never think through. If there were a salary cap....would the Rays (or any other team that people bemoan the demise of due to the inequality of team revenue) even have been able to amass such talent?
Click to expand...
Yes it is. Signability is a huge issue in drafts. Agents can threaten to have their client go to college or sit out a year without signing. This causes many big name prospects to drop. (see JD Drew, Rick Ankiel, Matt Holliday).
Click to expand...
Signability is an issue when it comes to a specific player. If you cannot continually hit on a top 10 draft pick...you have no business being a MLB GM.
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LINK to amateur draft resultsPick a year at random and check out the top ten picks. There are a bunch of busts every year. They're not just pitchers or high schoolers. The miss rate is significant.

 
Balco said:
The Rays are loaded with # 1 starter type young arms in their minor league system. They are building something really good there.
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it's pretty exciting what their rotation could look like 2 years from nowKazmirShieldsDavid PriceMatt Garza (if he can make the cut by then)Wade Davis and/or Jake McGee (2 of the top SP prospects in all of baseball)they've got a bunch of nice under-25 prospects that could be pretty good with some developing (howell, hammell, jackson), but they are about to get blown away by the absolute studs coming up the pipeline.
 
sometime this year, the Rays will make the decision to progress with McGee as a starter or make him a power closer. His changeup isn't so hot.

Don't forget Niemann in the group as he's lost weight this camp and has looked solid in games. He really should win one of the last two spots but probably wont as he has an option left while Hammel and Jackson are both out of options. Howell probably goes to the pen as the 2nd lefty (Trever Miller) this year.

 
The Ref said:
Patoons said:
Looks like he was sent down today - I'm sure we'll be seeing him later on in the year.
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Got him in my keeper Al draft with my last spot. i think I will be very happy about this come July.
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Anyone know what the story is here? He has looked very good in his 4 high A starts. I would have figured that they would have moved him up to AA by now.I have a "bad" feeling (fantasy related) that Price won't see any MLB time untill June 1 of next year so the Rays can hold onto Price for one more year.
 
The Ref said:
I have a "bad" feeling (fantasy related) that Price won't see any MLB time untill June 1 of next year so the Rays can hold onto Price for one more year.
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If the Rays are in the playoff hunt and need an arm, Price will be up.
 
gump said:
The Ref said:
I have a "bad" feeling (fantasy related) that Price won't see any MLB time untill June 1 of next year so the Rays can hold onto Price for one more year.
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If the Rays are in the playoff hunt and need an arm, Price will be up.
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Do you think he would be called up before Wade Davis and Jacob McGee? Not really sure how those guys are doing in the minors, but I would figure they would get the call before price. Rays fans?
 
Balco said:
gump said:
The Ref said:
I have a "bad" feeling (fantasy related) that Price won't see any MLB time untill June 1 of next year so the Rays can hold onto Price for one more year.
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If the Rays are in the playoff hunt and need an arm, Price will be up.
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Do you think he would be called up before Wade Davis and Jacob McGee? Not really sure how those guys are doing in the minors, but I would figure they would get the call before price. Rays fans?
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Not sure...but neither has better stuff than Price. I'm not saying Price would be plugged into the starting rotation though...could bea reliever...especially if one of the long relief guys gets a starting gig like Howell or Hammel.Peter Gammons said he'd be up by the end of the year...TIFWIW.
 
McGee isn't close to being ready and Davis isn't set either. Both were high-schoolers who I think are still younger than Price.

I think we'll see Price by August.

 
Capella said:
McGee isn't close to being ready and Davis isn't set either. Both were high-schoolers who I think are still younger than Price.I think we'll see Price by August.
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I hope so, I have him in a keeper league and want to see him pitch this year.
 
The Ref said:
The Ref said:
Patoons said:
Looks like he was sent down today - I'm sure we'll be seeing him later on in the year.
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Got him in my keeper Al draft with my last spot. i think I will be very happy about this come July.
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Anyone know what the story is here? He has looked very good in his 4 high A starts. I would have figured that they would have moved him up to AA by now.I have a "bad" feeling (fantasy related) that Price won't see any MLB time untill June 1 of next year so the Rays can hold onto Price for one more year.
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Well I didn't think he had anything left to prove at high A, and as it turn out the Rays agreed. Price has been promoted to the AA club.A solid month and a half here and I think we might see him in Mid August.
 
Things keep moving allong for this guy.....

JACKSON, Tenn. - Tennessee native David Price, pitching in his home state Sunday for the first time since he became baseball's no. 1 draft pick last year, threw seven innings to help the Montgomery Biscuits (8-11; 42-47) to a 3-1 win over the homestanding West Tenn Diamond Jaxx (6-12; 47-42).

Price (3-0) retired 17 Diamond Jaxx hitters down at one point, sticking around for the exact amount of time required to earn his third Double-A, and seventh professional, victory. He allowed four hits and one walk, striking out six, none beyond the fourth inning.

Nonetheless, West Tenn took a first-inning lead on Price after Brent Johnson doubled and Mike Wilson singled him home. Catcher Jose Yepez singled to lead off the ensuing inning, and no other Diamond Jaxx player would reach base again until Yepez doubled with two outs in the seventh.

The Biscuits caught up in the third inning, manufacturing a run on a Johnny Raburn double, Ronnie Merrill sacrifice bunt and Erold Andrus sacrifice fly.

For the totality of six innings, West Tenn starter Brodie Downs was effectively Price's equal. The righty allowed just one run on six hits, walking four and striking out one. He escaped a loss in his final inning, in which the Biscuits loaded the bases with one out but failed to score; a dubious feat that the Biscuits would repeat in the seventh inning against reliever Nelson Payano.

The Biscuits made Price, and indeed themselves, a winner in the eighth inning against reliever Shawn Kelley. J.T. Hall had led off the inning with a single, only to be erased on a double play when Matt Spring attempted to bunt him to second base. But a Raburn single and a Merrill walk re-ignited the inning, and Andrus smashed a comebacker up the middle off of Kelley's spikes. It ricocheted to third baseman Mike Mangini, who picked it up, and, in an ill-fated attempt to throw out Andrus at first, committed a two-base throing error, scoring Raburn and Merrill.

Roger Deago earned his fourth save by pitching two scoreless innings.

The Biscuits go for the four-game sweep Monday night behind righty Jeremy Hellickson. The righty is scheduled to oppose West Tenn lefty Ryan Ketchner.

 
Got a little more clarification...nothing concrete yet though.

He won't be called up this week (which originally it sounded like could happen)...will be 100% by Sept 1...likely mid-month.

They play 19 of 20 days over the first 3 weeks of this month. Seems like a good time?

 
gump said:
Got a little more clarification...nothing concrete yet though.He won't be called up this week (which originally it sounded like could happen)...will be 100% by Sept 1...likely mid-month.They play 19 of 20 days over the first 3 weeks of this month. Seems like a good time?
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True. And, as long as he is on the roster by August 31, he is eligible for the postseason.I tried picking him up in my league this morning, but someone already has him. I was a little too slow!
 
gump said:
Was last night enough to make the playoff roster?
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Yes, Price has too much talent to not be on the playoff roster for a young team like the Rays. He will most likely be put in long relief/emergency starter, but I could see him going in the rotation if one of their starters implodes or he is lights out in long relief.
 
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