This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
I've been following this thread on and off and this seems like a decent "full circle" summary. It seems like there's been a few pages of the Wilson bandwagon (the quality of the player) and several pages of people wishing the sheer power of their posts could send Bradshaw off to the glue factory. Wilson is a great asset but there's a lot more to managing player assets than deciding who is better.
he's not, you bet yer butt if the bradshaw goes down again a.brown is getting the start and most carries.Wilson is a dyno hold, re-draft cut if he hasnt been already
Wilson has clearly earned himself more carries. I'm not what sure makes you think we're still in the same boat as we were in weeks 2-3. It's week 7 and time heals all wounds. With the recent news of Bradshaw's injury, telling people to cut Wilson is pretty bad fantasy advice right now.'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Because we are. You can think that Wilson has earned more carries, but he the Giants don't. His touch totals have not gone up, with the exception of last week. Last week he only got touches because Bradshaw cramped up. They were still running Bradshaw in garbage time. That should tell you something.
They can keep running Bradshaw out there in garbage time or give Wilson change of pace carries to preserve his broken foot. Either way Wilson is trending up. Bradshaw is trending down.
How is Bradshaw trending down? I think if Wilson was really making any headway we would have seen an uptick in his carries in the SF game after Brown went down. Brown got hurt in the first quarter and I think there was a good chance Brown was looking at significant touches throughout the game. Then Brown gets hurt and Bradshaw gets 30 carries and Wilson 2? I distinctly remember a play where Bradshaw had a 30+ run and then literally the next play was another carry for him. They weren't even bringing Wilson in to spell him. I think that says what you need to know about how ready they feel Wilson is right now.
Wilson had 7 carries. Three to spell Bradshaw and then 4 to finish out the game. He did well. There were 2 plays where he got nothing. On those plays he was met just after the hand-off by 3-4 49ers, It's on the line that those plays failed. I think they still bring him along slowly though he may get another 7 carries or maybe a few more or a few less. It really depends on if they choose to lighten Bradshaw's load and if Brown continues to be productive as the back up. Wilson is doing the right things but he's still going to be brought along slowly.
I'm not going to argue that Wilson isn't doing well, I just don't think it's going to matter this year. Brown was great in Bradshaw's absence and it was still clearly Bradshaw's job when he came back. This whole "Bradshaw on the decline" thing is really just wishful thinking. Even if Wilson is amazing, I don't see him leapfrogging a healthy Brown and then taking away enough of Bradshaw's touches to be fantasy relevant this year. He's a great dynasty hold though.
Link?He is supposed to practice today. All we have is that his foot is "hurt". That's it.
Earth, Wind & Fire 2.0
Looks like bradshaw will see 15-20 touches....
I would say 15-20 carries, most weeks. Targets on top of that.
Brown.
ok. Just read that Brown practiced fully today so I guess his concussion-like symptoms are gone. Picking him up!
Not at all. We have seen all 3 healhty, Bradshaw got 13, Brown got 5, Wilson got less. No way Wilson is getting 8-10, and Bradshaw is getting more than 35-40%.
Yeah, I think I tend to side with those numbers more than the above quote. The wildcard is that Bradshaw is clearly not 100% judging from this week's practices -- and that could be a factor in Sunday's touches...
I simply think it is a lot to take "they'll all get touches" as "it's a full blown RBBC split almost evenly 3 ways! We haven't given Wilson more than 3 carries, except when Bradshaw was cramping and Brown was out, but now he's getting 3-4x that number!"
Jacobs, Bradshaw, Ward......Coughlin has a history of this.
I am a Wilson dynasty owner - I would love nothing more than a 21 YO Jamaal Charles. But what more can the Giants possibly do to make it clear to us? Wilson is not getting a shot to be the guy this year. He hasn't been put in pass protecting situations, ever. They are not going to go from none, to a full load. He is worth next to nothing in most re-draft leagues. Unless you have a big bench, move on.
Exactly - seems pretty clear. Also have him dynasty, and he's on mothballs until 2013 for me.The Giants are a team with Super Bowl aspirations and aren't going to risk Eli with a rookie that's not quite ready yet. Only chance he starts this year is if both Bradshaw and Brown go down, or in weeks 16/17 if a playoff spot is clinched and they can't move anywhere seed-wise.
That was what, 2007? When they actually were a running team.If the Giants get a nice lead or Brown and Wilson could excel in pass pro, I could see it happening. But I see nothing more than Wilson and Brown being in to spell Bradshaw for breathers and kill clock. (Like they should have done the last few weeks. AB shouldn't be carying it 30 times.)
With those 3 only Jacobs and Ward produced well, Bradshaw didn't do much. That O-line was much better than the current line and Eli wasn't near the QB he is today. The WRs are much better now then at that time too.
This week will clear the picture up a little. Either an injury or just how Coughlin does it will be made apparent as to who we should own.
I am trying to trade for Brown as well (own Bradshaw) to lock down this backfield from a redraft POV.
If Bradshaw misses time I'd have no problem calling Brown a RB2 but I'd also have no problem calling Wilson a high upside flex.
I thought the idea of birth control was that you're not supposed to come through?
