I'd like to mention that Brown is coming off a concussion where he missed last week's game. If he has a second concussion you're looking at a multi week absence (Daniel Thomas). I think Brown carries more risk than Bradshaw's foot. Wilson is a stash and a must own if you have Bradshaw.
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Teef
Footballguy
Pretty spot on and way back in August. ^^^Very interesting cut.My question is though, who is the next vet in line?Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs. Coughlin and Manning have recently spoke to his green-ness and how he's totally ran the wrong way on some plays in games. In preseason they only use Wilson in running plays, play action or have him running patterns while someone else stays in to block. Now I'm not making a talent comparison, but this is how Donald Brown was handled when he was a rook in Indy. They didn't want to tempt fate with a green guy blocking for Manning. Who would on a passing team? I envision a role similar to Donald Brown's rookie season.. He'll get usage on running downs, a series with plays designed for him here and there (plays he's comfortable with, very little PB responsibility) and possibly use him as the closer for games where they're protecting the lead. This team just won the Super Bowl, they aren't about to change up the offense for a rookie. If he can pick up the offense and leave his fumbling problems behind, his role will grow. I'm not meaning to rain on the parade here, but with late drafts and week 1 of the regular season coming, it's a good for us to assess what we have here. IMO, he is now overvalued in drafts. His current ADP is ahead of Jennings, Tate, Rodgers and DeAngelo Williams. That is just stupid and those taking him that early will regret it. Whether Bradshaw is healthy or not, Wilson has limited upside in this offense. Will he rise to the occasion?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If Bradshaw is out, Wilson will get some touches. He will break one, and will earn a role.Pretty spot on and way back in August. ^^^Very interesting cut.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
About now would be a great time for him to come out with a huge game. It might be getting close for him. If he could put a couple huge games together down the stretch, his dynasty value could skyrocket over the offseason.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Is it just me or is the coaching staff not behind NYG management on their 2012 first round pick? Seems like they point out the negative whenever possible with this kid.
SanDawg
Footballguy
Agreed. Really amazing how this has played out this year. I am an owner, and can admit a swing and a miss, but never quite like this.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
No kidding. I have been hanging onto him but all of this negative coach talk has me concerned.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't think it's negativity.
The Giants work differently than most organizations in that rookies - on both sides of the ball - have to earn their stripes before given a prominent role. Rarely do rookies make an immediate impact unless they "get it" right away and/or there is a significant lack of talent at the position in which a player was drafted.
Can't argue with their success.
The Giants work differently than most organizations in that rookies - on both sides of the ball - have to earn their stripes before given a prominent role. Rarely do rookies make an immediate impact unless they "get it" right away and/or there is a significant lack of talent at the position in which a player was drafted.
Can't argue with their success.
netnalp
Footballguy
Q: David Wilson was told that he’s next man up. Is he ready for this opportunity?
Coughlin: Well, let’s put it this way, he had 11 plays last night. If I was going into the game and wanted to sort it out, and find out what he could and couldn’t do and give him a chance, it probably would’ve been close to that number in the game. It’s his time. The timing as far as where he’s coming from couldn’t be any better, I don’t think. If he’s been very vigilant, and paid attention to the way that people have been corrected in front of him, then he’s going to give himself the best opportunity. It is a great opportunity for him and I think for our team as well, in terms of what could develop here in this stage of the season for David.
Coughlin: Well, let’s put it this way, he had 11 plays last night. If I was going into the game and wanted to sort it out, and find out what he could and couldn’t do and give him a chance, it probably would’ve been close to that number in the game. It’s his time. The timing as far as where he’s coming from couldn’t be any better, I don’t think. If he’s been very vigilant, and paid attention to the way that people have been corrected in front of him, then he’s going to give himself the best opportunity. It is a great opportunity for him and I think for our team as well, in terms of what could develop here in this stage of the season for David.
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When asked about rookie RB David Wilson this week, coach Tom Coughlin said, "it's his time."
Newly signed running backs Ryan Torain and Kregg Lumpkin are expected to be insurance behind Ahmad Bradshaw and Wilson. While the Giants have been hesitant to play the rookie thanks to his woes in pass protection and early-season ball security issues, Coughlin knows they are desperate for his special running ability after losing reliable No. 2 back Andre Brown. Wilson figures to get a crack at the 8.2 touches per game Brown was seeing, although he won't get the goal-line touches. There's some "wait-and-see" appeal for deep leaguers.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger Nov 28 - 9:00 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7448/david-wilson
Newly signed running backs Ryan Torain and Kregg Lumpkin are expected to be insurance behind Ahmad Bradshaw and Wilson. While the Giants have been hesitant to play the rookie thanks to his woes in pass protection and early-season ball security issues, Coughlin knows they are desperate for his special running ability after losing reliable No. 2 back Andre Brown. Wilson figures to get a crack at the 8.2 touches per game Brown was seeing, although he won't get the goal-line touches. There's some "wait-and-see" appeal for deep leaguers.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger Nov 28 - 9:00 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7448/david-wilson
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
His time is now.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Time to take the diapers off
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He'll take his time.
Koya
Footballguy
If he can't then he will spell Bradshaw on some 1st and 2nd downs and be in the backfield for some 3rd down plays where he is going on a route. Torain is a decent blocker, no? He could take the general third down role to spell bradshaw in that case, or they could just spell bradshaw more on running plays and utilize him on 3rd downs, though I'd think they'd not want to use the wear and tear for blocking.
steveski
Footballguy
I don't think the issue is whether or not he is capable of blocking, it's whether or not he knows the playbook and knows where he's supposed to go each and every play. Being a poor blocker is much better than going the wrong direction and letting someone come in untouched.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Hell I could memorize them.Executing them in a game situation, now thats the real trick
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
From more than a year ago (sorry, hard to find fresh info on a guy that has been chronically unemployed):
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
If Bradshaw misses time this guy is going to power a lot of teams to fantasy championships
doubletrouble
Footballguy
NO is dead last in rush defense....just saying
Oh ya I forgot that Bradshaw looked great against them too.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Bradshaw got hurt...nothing new there! But Wilson last two games against a real defense he didn't do squat
11 total touches in 2 games. What were you expecting?
zamboni
Footballguy
Saints have actually been playing good defense of late.
netnalp
Footballguy
I'm not worried. He's not as small as some people claim. He's and inch shorter than Tiki, the same weight and much faster. What I like is he's 21 so if he stays healthy maybe they get an extra couple of years with him compared to an older rookie. Though they partially wasted this year of his career.
but but but he fumbled the first game of the season
biggamer3
Footballguy
I dont think they wasted anything, he is now in his stride, has fresh legs, team is in a division battle and he has ample opportunity to be an X factor. I actually like the fact he had to wait a while to get his chance a little more than just forcing him out there just because he was drafted high.If he didnt play at all this year, that would ahve been a waste
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
what are you thoughts on his situation for next year assuming he continues to improve and get more carries through the rest of the year/playoffs?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I could see him getting 8-12the carries per game IF he doesn't fumble his chance away. Obviously if Bradshaw gets hurt that opportunity for carries could increase. I don't see him taking over as the bellow though.
Shutout
Footballguy
Fresh legs + Speed at this time of the year make things look a certain way. Nice situaiton for Wilson owners ther rest of the way.
next year: Probably enters as the heir apparent but there is something about Bradshaw that just keeps him at bay a while longer. I don't see it ever being as frustrating as it is for JSTEW owners but it might be more like a Frank Gore situation where everyone sees the hand-writing on the wall and it WILL tip at some point for good but might be more lie the middle of next year (enough to make Wilson seriously overdrafted for the first half of the season but a great coup of a trade around week 4-5).
next year: Probably enters as the heir apparent but there is something about Bradshaw that just keeps him at bay a while longer. I don't see it ever being as frustrating as it is for JSTEW owners but it might be more like a Frank Gore situation where everyone sees the hand-writing on the wall and it WILL tip at some point for good but might be more lie the middle of next year (enough to make Wilson seriously overdrafted for the first half of the season but a great coup of a trade around week 4-5).
Yenrub
Footballguy
If you are in a league that gives return yardage I can see starting him as a flex with upside
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
He's earned the trust now. Coaches have been talking him up the last few weeks even before the Brown injury. A fumble wont reduce his role now at this point.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
Dude looked like he was shot out of a rocket launcher!
Koya
Footballguy
Just catching up here - Had no idea that Torain was such a piss poor blocker, so I was (obviously) wrong on that accord. Maybe he was brought in as a guy that could pound it from the goal line, though I don't know his proclivities their to be honest.Either way, what a dynamic player. From the beginning of the year it was apparent that when he got a chance, Wilson had the opportunity to do something special. He's the only back with that type of breakaway speed on the team, but his issues with ball security, blocking and some say learning the full playbook hampered his rookie season - that's why they are rookies. Brown's emergence made it less of an issue for the team, but as I noted some time ago, Brown has had injury concerns his whole career as well.
All in all, have to be happy with this as a Giants fan. Looks great for the future and could play a key role now. Will be curious to see how things pan out next year. Bradshaw is getting up there and as we know, his body is broken already. Is the future a bit of thunder and lightning with Wilson and Brown, if Brown can stay healthy?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
It would be a shame if Bradshaw had to take a few weeks off to get healthy for the playoffs. A real shame!
Koya
Footballguy
That's easy to be said (especially now), but the fact is smaller bench leagues make that very difficult. Yes, Wilson had this upside and many knew it, but it took Bradshaw to get hurt (expected), then Brown to get hurt (for those who knew his history, still a good shot to happen) for this to take place. In this case, the lotto ticket was cashed, at least for a night.
