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[werdnoynek]

NYG has to have another backup in mind. They can't go to war with just Wilson and Jacobs.

I mean... They can... The plan was to go to war with Wilson to start the season. They're probably going to take Wilson off KR duties and active Cox.

I agree this shows that they have more confidence at this point in Cox than they do Scott IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able to extend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

How is that at all relatable? Pitt has a MO of basically never paying guys big money. Several other teams have and do. We heard for years that Wash could never sign player X. Then they go and sigh player X, Y and Z.

 

[Khy]

NYG has to have another backup in mind. They can't go to war with just Wilson and Jacobs.

I mean... They can... The plan was to go to war with Wilson to start the season. They're probably going to take Wilson off KR duties and active Cox.

I agree this shows that they have more confidence at this point in Cox than they do Scott IMO.

I mean... Scott NOT Cox was on the roster bubble prior to Brown getting injured. If Brown didn't get hurt prior to Week 1, Scott would have been cut then. The Giants have never been that high on Scott. He simply was the best pass blocking back left on the roster after Brown went down. Cox is nothing more than a KR at this moment in time though.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super

bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able to extend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

The Steelers could have kept Wallace if they wanted to. They offered him 5 / $50 million. They didn't think he was worth what the Dolphins ended up paying for him. BTW they were 100% right on that.

 

[msudaisy26]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able to extend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

How is that at all relatable? Pitt has a MO of basically never paying guys big money. Several other teams have and do. We heard for years that Wash could never sign player X. Then they go and sigh player X, Y and Z.

Now Antonio Brown says hi

 

[Concept Coop]

We heard for years that Wash could never sign player X. Then they go and sigh player X, Y and Z.

That was before the new CBA.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Meh, I'll attempt to buy again.

 

[msudaisy26]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super

bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able to extend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

The Steelers could have kept Wallace if they wanted to. They offered him 5 / $50 million. They didn't think he was worth what the Dolphins ended up paying for him. BTW they were 100% right on that.

The Steelers couldn't match what Miami offered if I remember correctly and they did want to keep him. Not sure if they were right or not, the Steelers are 0 - 4 and I am sure he would help the running game with his deep threat ability. I think they are better off without him long term though

 

[jurb26]

Now Antonio Brown says hi

Seriously? You're examples are getting worse. Again, it's about want too. The Steelers didn't want to pay Wallace what Mia offered. Simple as that. They could have.

Now, they are 0-4 and testing the waters on a guy they also don't feel will be worth the likely asking price come contract time.

 

[kyoun1e]

From Rotoworld.

Giants waived RB Da'Rel Scott.
It's a surprising move, and a vote of confidence in shaky starter David Wilson. It's a sign the Giants are ready to start using Wilson in more passing situations. It leaves the G-Men with just used-up veteran Brandon Jacobs and practice-squad type Michael Cox behind Wilson. Scott rushed five times for 26 yards against the Chiefs on Sunday, but was averaging only 3.5 yards per carry. That number slumps to 3.0 for his career.

 

[Khy]

From Rotoworld.

Giants waived RB Da'Rel Scott.

It's a surprising move, and a vote of confidence in shaky starter David Wilson. It's a sign the Giants are ready to start using Wilson in more passing situations. It leaves the G-Men with just used-up veteran Brandon Jacobs and practice-squad type Michael Cox behind Wilson. Scott rushed five times for 26 yards against the Chiefs on Sunday, but was averaging only 3.5 yards per carry. That number slumps to 3.0 for his career.

Welcome to the last two pages of the thread.

 

[msudaisy26]

Now Antonio Brown says hi

Seriously? You're examples are getting worse.Again, it's about want too. The Steelers didn't want to pay Wallace what Mia offered. Simple as that. They could have.

Now, they are 0-4 and testing the waters on a guy they also don't will be worth the likely asking price come contract time.

Let me put this so you can figure it out.

The Lions need a number 2 receiver.

It makes no sense to go after another injury prone receiver that is a rental at the cost of a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

The Steelers wanted to keep Wallace, they couldn't offer him what the Dolphins did. Just like what would happen at the end of this year if Nicks went to Detroit.

The Steelers paid Brown already 5 years 42.5 million that is a pretty good haul for a receiver. I believe it is right around what Victor Cruz got.

Do you understand now?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to

Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes

more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super

bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able to extend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

The Steelers could have kept Wallace if they wanted to. They offered him 5 / $50 million. They didn't think he was worth what the Dolphins ended up paying for him. BTW they were 100% right on that.

The Steelers couldn't match what Miami offered if I remember correctly and they did want to keep him. Not sure if they were right or not, the Steelers are 0 - 4 and I am sure he would help the running game with his deep threat ability. I think they are better off without him long term though

Pittsburgh's problems on offense are tied primarily to the offensive line. Sure, Mike would have helped, but he's not anywhere near worth the top-5 WR cash that Miami threw at him. The Steelers don't overpay anyone -- if that means guys end up walking then they'll deal with that. They'd be fine right now if DeCastro, Adams, and Gilbert had been the guys they were supposed to be. Instead, they can't run the ball and Ben is getting killed and turning the ball over like crazy.

 

[msudaisy26]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to

Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes

more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super

bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able toextend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

The Steelers could have kept Wallace if they wanted to. They offered him 5 / $50 million. They didn't think he was worth what the Dolphins ended up paying for him. BTW they were 100% right on that.

The Steelers couldn't match what Miami offered if I remember correctly and they did want to keep him. Not sure if they were right or not, the Steelers are 0 - 4 and I am sure he would help the running game with his deep threat ability. I think they are better off without him long term though

Pittsburgh's problems on offense are tied primarily to the offensive line. Sure, Mike would have helped, but he's not anywhere near worth the top-5 WR cash that Miami threw at him. The Steelers don't overpay anyone -- if that means guys end up walking then they'll deal with that. They'd be fine right now if DeCastro, Adams, and Gilbert had been the guys they were supposed to be. Instead, they can't run the ball and Ben is getting killed and turning the ball over like crazy.

I already agreed with that

 

[jurb26]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to

Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes

more sense.

Something like that makes sense, horrible move for Detroit if it happens, great move by the Giants. I guess that is why the Giants have won super

bowls and the Lions have never even been to one.

That would actually be a HUGE steal for the Lions assuming they would be able to extend Nicks. LeShoure is garbage.

They can't

They can and will if they want too. Everyone says this and yet teams always find a way to get things done.

Really? Mike Wallace says hi from Miami

The Steelers could have kept Wallace if they wanted to. They offered him 5 / $50 million. They didn't think he was worth what the Dolphins ended up paying for him. BTW they were 100% right on that.

The Steelers couldn't match what Miami offered if I remember correctly and they did want to keep him. Not sure if they were right or not, the Steelers are 0 - 4 and I am sure he would help the running game with his deep threat ability. I think they are better off without him long term though

Pittsburgh's problems on offense are tied primarily to the offensive line. Sure, Mike would have helped, but he's not anywhere near worth the top-5 WR cash that Miami threw at him. The Steelers don't overpay anyone -- if that means guys end up walking then they'll deal with that. They'd be fine right now if DeCastro, Adams, and Gilbert had been the guys they were supposed to be. Instead, they can't run the ball and Ben is getting killed and turning the ball over like crazy.

Yup, Pitt is about the worst possible team to try and use here. As you said, they don't over pay ANYONE. Plane and simple. They set a budget for what they Think a player as worth and don't go over it. If a team like Mia comes in and offers more they simply say thank you and good bye. Again, this is about what a team is willing to do. If Det sees the value of adding Nicks, potential SB run, they will make it work. The assertion that they don't need another injury prone WR means nothing to what I'm saying. If Det is willing to go to such lengths then they've already made their conclusion about his injury prone nature.

 

[Khy]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime. Obviously, we have no idea yet what this means for Wilson. I'm just assuming they're going to give him a shot at 75%+ of the snaps. As it seems illogical they'd cut Scott and then place Cox in Scott's old 50% role when the whole reason he was inactive was he was completely inept in Pass Protection compared to Wilson and Scott.

Mainly, let's not turn this into a Steelers front office thread.

 

[Concept Coop]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime.

It had little to do with Scott's playing time. It had to do with the fact that Wilson wasn't used in obvious passing situations.

A lineman got injured and they needed to make room for a replacement. They picked a RB. This could prove to be big for Wilson IF he is given the shot and doesn't screw it up. But it seems like an odd thing for Wilson supporters to hang their hat on.

 

[iamkoza]

is there any reason to think giants management released scott to force coughlin to play wilson more? were they dressing 4 RB's last few games? you typically want to ahve at least 3, with the 3rd being able to play special teams

 

[msudaisy26]

So in two years they will have 5 players making 10 million plus leaving 80 million for 48 other players. They better hope they don't have any injuries. Not to mention Riley Rieff looks good and has only 2 years left on his deal

 

[Loan Sharks]

Quick question for those who have time to look this up. They signed a center for Snees injury, is Snee on IR and if not will he be heading to IR? That would give the giants 2 slots to fill.

I haven't read anything about Snee's injury.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime. Obviously, we have no idea yet what this means for Wilson. I'm just assuming they're going to give him a shot at 75%+ of the snaps. As it seems illogical they'd cut Scott and then place Cox in Scott's old 50% rolenwhen the whole reason he was inactive was he was completely inept in Pass Protection compared to Wilson and Scott.

Mainly, let's not turn this into a Steelers front office thread.

I think it means that Scott largely sucked and the o-lineman they added from the PS is seen as more likely to make a meaningful contribution. When they signed Jacobs, I thought it was primarily to be used as a pass blocker, because he's garbage with the ball in his hands -- I still think that. Re: Wilson, I have no idea, but think it probably doesn't matter what % he gets because the Giants line and offense and team in general just blow right now. I wouldn't touch him right now in redraft. I've tried to buy Wilson for a future 1st and / or other prospects in dynasty and been shot down. My opinion (long term) on David Wilson has changed not at all since the day last season ended -- strong prospect with obvious running talent, but carrying big uncertainty as to his long term role as a 3 down workhorse. As I said, I'd move a random future 1st for him pretty easily -- the issue I've had all along is with the assumption on the part of a few that he was a top-10, 5, hell a few people were calling him THE #1 dynasty RB as of four weeks ago. That was, and is, insane IMO.

 

[Ray]

As mentioned waaay up thread, after Scott's fumble (credited to Eli, but it was on Scott), it was Wilson in the backfield, not Jacobs. Wilson proceeded to catch his first two passes of the season. It's going to be Wilson playing on third downs on Sunday.

Scott is tied at 11th among RBs with 17 targets. In PPR, Wilson will do well this week. Starting with fingers confidently crossed.

 

[T with T]

CHOOOOO CHOOOOOO no looking back like the guy up top said.... Get on board Mutha####ers.......

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Quick question for those who have time to look this up. They signed a center for Snees injury, is Snee on IR and if not will he be heading to IR? That would give the giants 2 slots to fill.

I haven't read anything about Snee's injury.

maybe somebody should post the info in this thread

 

[msudaisy26]

CHOOOOO CHOOOOOO no looking back like the guy up top said.... Get on board Mutha####ers.......

It takes long enough for the Sunday games to get here, I am very excited to see if he takes this chance and does well.

I felt this way opening week and he fumbled 2 times, I hope I don't jinx him again.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

I think it means that Scott largely sucked and the o-lineman they added from the PS is seen as more likely to make a meaningful contribution. When they signed Jacobs, I thought it was primarily to be used as a pass blocker, because he's garbage with the ball in his hands -- I still think that. Re: Wilson, I have no idea, but think it probably doesn't matter what % he gets because the Giants line and offense and team in general just blow right now. I wouldn't touch him right now in redraft. I've tried to buy Wilson for a future 1st and / or other prospects in dynasty and been shot down. My opinion (long term) on David Wilson has changed not at all since the day last season ended -- strong prospect with obvious running talent, but carrying big uncertainty as to his long term role as a 3 down workhorse. As I said, I'd move a random future 1st for him pretty easily -- the issue I've had all along is with the assumption on the part of a few that he was a top-10, 5, hell a few people were calling him THE #1 dynasty RB as of four weeks ago. That was, and is, insane IMO.

This is a very good post and why this thread will be on the first page for another season in 2014. That o-line, Eli's play, and the team as a whole under Gilbride is sucking bad. Wilson hasn't helped the situation at all regardless of what talent he has shown in flashes. Would have been quite interesting if he didn't fumble in the first game, stayed in games, and still weren't able to get anywhere thanks to the poor blocking and poor play by the G-men as a whole. This is a wait and see, cut and dry. I think Wilson will be a fine back in the NFL, I also believe he could be top 10 worthy some day. Right now though the problem is bigger than him in New York.

ETA: Do any of you think the Giants would have been better to this point if Brown didn't get hurt? You think Brown would have been a productive fantasy back in these four games?

 

[monk]

time and time again wilson-o-philes compare him to the best of the best backs, only to back off of it later

could this guy be the next jamaal charles?

sure, so could Scott for that matter, anything is possible

what we know is this year he is doing abysmal and the team has not seen the need to drmatically increase his use despite being 0-4

who knows what the future brings, but there is one thing this guy is already a hall of famer at, and that is making people adamantly believe he is elite

i think there's a chance he does well this week, i kinda hope so, the thread would be more fun if he has a big week

i still would not start him unless i had to, and i still think he's much more likely to finish his NFL career as an average/mediocre back than an elite one

Maybe KC will sign him

 

[Short Corner]

I know the guy isn't getting enough carries, has a terrible O-Line, has a QB that is completing less and less balls every week, but I don't know if DW is bad at pass protection.

He is. I don't know if Scott is any better, but Wilson is poor in pass protection. And regardless of what anyone says, or what stats they use to suggest otherwise, the only people whose opinions matter don't trust Wilson to keep the QB safe, and have said so. Until that changes, it is going to hinder his production.

Just to this point.. PFF has him ranked higher than: Arian Foster, LeSean McCoy, Jamaal Charles, Lamar Miller, Doug Martin, Ray Rice and Trent Richardson in pass protection situations. Also the coaches haven't made any mention to his protection woes since after Week 1. Actually quite the opposite, Coughlin complimented him on a few blocks that he had to the press.

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[monk]

I guess we'll see if they are right....good for Wilson owners.

I really don't think this means Wilson is the 3rd down back. I'm expecting someone else in that role. I hope I'm wrong, as a new Wilson owner.

I hope your wrong and I think you are ... I think they are finally coming to their senses.

Also note Wilson caught his first two passes of the season this past Sunday and had season high in carries

 

[monk]

The scott news is pretty big

would everyone agree now that if he has a bad week this week it is a bad sign for him?

He should get as many looks as he will get, against as bad of defense as he will see (perhaps other than the redskins)

if he has a crappy week this week can we agree he's in trouble?

Nope ... I think he can even fumble this week and they will still stay with him. They have no where else to turn it's Wilson or nothing and I think that is the message they are sending Wilson

 

[Coeur de Lion]

THIS is the week. Starting him with confidence.

 

[sandlotshrink]

It's this week or never!

 

[Andrew74]

This train is reboarding now people... for all those that jumped off after a rough start this season, your last chance to get back on is now. This is a high speed train and it;s on a high speed rail. Once it leaves the station this time, there's no looking back.

CHOO CHOO. MOTHER####ERS.

 

[FlapJacks]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes more sense.

We can hope. That would be a nice deal for both teams. Too good to be true.

That would be a nice deal for fantasy owners, that move sucks for Detroit

Really? Leshoure sucks

Nicks gives them another option in the passing game

 

[netnalp]

Just a thought. There were rumors last week of Nicks being traded to Detroit for LeShoure and a 2nd round pick (I think 2nd). And they were debunked. Maybe they were in talks and now that they are 0-4 and unlikely to resign Nicks they are trading him. And they are releasing Scott to make room for some part of a trade? No proof obviously, but nothing about this release makes sense to me. And a release to make trade room makes more sense.

Looks like the Giants will have around $28 Million in cap room if the expected cuts of Tuck, Snee, Diehl and Webster occur. That would be plenty of room to sign him.

 

[monk]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime. Obviously, we have no idea yet what this means for Wilson. I'm just assuming they're going to give him a shot at 75%+ of the snaps. As it seems illogical they'd cut Scott and then place Cox in Scott's old 50% role when the whole reason he was inactive was he was completely inept in Pass Protection compared to Wilson and Scott.

Mainly, let's not turn this into a Steelers front office thread.

I am surprised at you? Its pretty obvious what this means and it's the same thing that we have been talking about for the last 10 pages.

It was clear to everyone that is not a complete jackass that Wilson was outplaying the other RBs on the team. We didnt think that the Giants were noticing but obviously they were. Wilson had his most carries, receptions and total touches last week against a very good D and he looked good.

It is time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmS10ESpFwg

 

[Concept Coop]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime. Obviously, we have no idea yet what this means for Wilson. I'm just assuming they're going to give him a shot at 75%+ of the snaps. As it seems illogical they'd cut Scott and then place Cox in Scott's old 50% role when the whole reason he was inactive was he was completely inept in Pass Protection compared to Wilson and Scott.

Mainly, let's not turn this into a Steelers front office thread.

I am surprised at you? Its pretty obvious what this means and it's the same thing that we have been talking about for the last 10 pages.

It was clear to everyone that is not a complete jackass that Wilson was outplaying the other RBs on the team. We didnt think that the Giants were noticing but obviously they were. Wilson had his most carries, receptions and total touches last week against a very good D and he looked good.

It is time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmS10ESpFwg

He also didn't start or get the passing down work. If looking better than Scott and Jacobs is the argument - we're moving the goal line...again.

You called me out before the season and that doesn't look so good for you now. But maybe you're right this time.

Care to have a little fun with it? I'll bet you a beer ($5 via PP) Wilson doesn't lead the team in 3rd and 5+ snaps.

 

[monk]

Rams just released Matt Starks ... Giants should give him a shot at RT.

Sound like he doesn't have much left but could be better than what they have at RT and they could move Pugh to Guard

 

[ProBowler88]

Talent wins out here, Wilson will be fine.

 

[monk]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime. Obviously, we have no idea yet what this means for Wilson. I'm just assuming they're going to give him a shot at 75%+ of the snaps. As it seems illogical they'd cut Scott and then place Cox in Scott's old 50% role when the whole reason he was inactive was he was completely inept in Pass Protection compared to Wilson and Scott.

Mainly, let's not turn this into a Steelers front office thread.

I am surprised at you? Its pretty obvious what this means and it's the same thing that we have been talking about for the last 10 pages.

It was clear to everyone that is not a complete jackass that Wilson was outplaying the other RBs on the team. We didnt think that the Giants were noticing but obviously they were. Wilson had his most carries, receptions and total touches last week against a very good D and he looked good.

It is time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmS10ESpFwg

He also didn't start or get the passing down work. If looking better than Scott and Jacobs is the argument - we're moving the goal line...again.

You called me out before the season and that doesn't look so good for you now. But maybe you're right this time.

Care to have a little fun with it? I'll bet you a beer ($5 via PP) Wilson doesn't lead the team in 3rd and 5+ snaps.

I couldn't care less if Wilson gets 3rd downs as long as he gets 18-20 touches ... The problem is I'm not even sure that the Giants are cable of running that many offensive plays. However ... I will bet 18 as the over / under for touches.

I don't recall the specifics of me calling you out ... my arguments that I recall are "Wilson will be the starter no doubt about it"(and he is) and that 3rd downs don't matter because they are a very small percentage of the RB touches (and that's still true). I also said I expect Wilson to end up with around 270 touches and if he did he would be a stud. (Now .. I am not as confident in the Giants team as a whole to guarantee that he still will get that many touches but if they can turn things around now I think he still has a good chance).

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Bergen Record's Art Stapleton believes the Giants' release of Da'Rel Scott "presumably" means "more trust" in David Wilson, and potentially more playing time for Brandon Jacobs and/or rookie Michael Cox.
Stapleton is just guessing, obviously, and this line of thinking is subject to change if the Giants sign a passing-down specialist like Tim Hightower off the street tomorrow. For his part, Wilson has both pass protected well and displayed ball security in every game since the opener. Scott's release wasn't surprising because he was an ineffective player, but he was playing a lot of snaps -- more than Wilson to this point. It appears Wilson is going to get his opportunity to regain every-down back duties in Week 5 against the Eagles.

Source: Art Stapleton on Twitter

 

[FlapJacks]

still wondering if a trade is in the works

How many snaps do they think they can get out of old man Jacobs and Cox?

 

[Welshie]

I wonder if this it is just as simplistic as they signed Jacobs a few weeks ago, he's in better football shape after a few weeks with the team and they're going to use him now as the primary pass blocker on passing downs.

I find it hard to believe Cox will play any major role. Wilson's pass blocking was pretty terrible, so it really comes down to Jacobs to fill that role, or they're bringing someone else in.

 

[jurb26]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

 

[T with T]

Wilson is an every down back or at least capable of 15-20 touches a week...... Giants may have woke up finally 4 weeks late but better late then never, but never late is better....

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I wonder if this it is just as simplistic as they signed Jacobs a few weeks ago, he's in better football shape after a few weeks with the team and they're going to use him now as the primary pass blocker on passing downs.

I find it hard to believe Cox will play any major role. Wilson's pass blocking was pretty terrible, so it really comes down to Jacobs to fill that role, or they're bringing someone else in.

Wilson's pass blocking has been more than fine the last three weeks.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Quick question for those who have time to look this up. They signed a center for Snees injury, is Snee on IR and if not will he be heading to IR? That would give the giants 2 slots to fill.

I haven't read anything about Snee's injury.

maybe somebody should post the info in this thread

And here I thought I could find a non ##### to post it faster than reading 75 pages of a thread. Foolish me.

 

[Soulfly3]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

RBs do fumble here and there.

As long as it's not a common theme, he'll be treated like most players

 

[Welshie]

I wonder if this it is just as simplistic as they signed Jacobs a few weeks ago, he's in better football shape after a few weeks with the team and they're going to use him now as the primary pass blocker on passing downs.

I find it hard to believe Cox will play any major role. Wilson's pass blocking was pretty terrible, so it really comes down to Jacobs to fill that role, or they're bringing someone else in.

Wilson's pass blocking has been more than fine the last three weeks.

Not really. Scott's been playing more snaps, and seen the majority of the passing down situations. Problem was he's terrible too. Coughlin may have just figured Scott's not any better than Wilson, and since they're both bad, might as well keep Wilson out there since he's a better offensive threat, or he might be looking for someone else.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see John Connor get some third down pass blocking snaps. If none of these guys can do the job, use the fullback.

 

[rickyg]

what complicates this situation rt now is the giant's O line...they are in a shambles...totally banged up. I dont care how good a rb is, how much of a buy low can he be with a line like he is running behind rt now?