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[Welshie]

what complicates this situation rt now is the giant's O line...they are in a shambles...totally banged up. I dont care how good a rb is, how much of a buy low can he be with a line like he is running behind rt now?

He's a decent buy low in the sense that I think they still have two games vs. PHI and two vs. WAS which are nice games for any RB, but yeah, I wouldn't go nuts.

But the most important point is the only chance the Giants have to be productive is protect Manning, and the line is a wreck, which means there's going to be a premium on protecting the QB. Whoever can do it will get some substantial playing time, similar to what's happened with Moreno in Denver.

Maybe this move is them giving Wilson another chance, maybe they just realized Scott is terrible, and they're going to use Jacobs, Conner, or another guy off the scrap heap (although scrap heap guy probably wouldn't play this week since he's never going to learn the protection in time).

The more I think about it, the more I think Conner is entering the mix. He'll have absolutely no FF value, but may keep Manning upright.

 

[Eminence]

So, when does Andre Brown come back?

 

[Khy]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

 

[Loan Sharks]

So, when does Andre Brown come back?

Nov 10th, so week 10.

 

[msudaisy26]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

I agree with your take on Wilson, the Giants are smart they know the odds of making the playoffs at 0 - 4 are slim even in a horrible division, they also know that the odds are even worse without any type of running game. Unless he fumbles like 3 times this game or 5 times in the next 3 games I think this is his gig until Brown comes back. Whether he does well, or averages 3.5 ypc.

I don't think the front office stepped in, this isn't "Moneyball" and even that movie twists the story so it has more Hollywood appeal. No team cuts/trades players without talking to the coaches first. If they did by some strange reason it means Coughlin is on his way out, and I am 99% sure that isn't the case either.

 

[Eminence]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

 

[monk]

I wonder if this it is just as simplistic as they signed Jacobs a few weeks ago, he's in better football shape after a few weeks with the team and they're going to use him now as the primary pass blocker on passing downs.

I find it hard to believe Cox will play any major role. Wilson's pass blocking was pretty terrible, so it really comes down to Jacobs to fill that role, or they're bringing someone else in.

Wilson's pass blocking has been more than fine the last three weeks.

Not really. Scott's been playing more snaps, and seen the majority of the passing down situations. Problem was he's terrible too. Coughlin may have just figured Scott's not any better than Wilson, and since they're both bad, might as well keep Wilson out there since he's a better offensive threat, or he might be looking for someone else.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see John Connor get some third down pass blocking snaps. If none of these guys can do the job, use the fullback.

Dude, no offense but i think you might be a simpleton

 

[Soulfly3]

If Nicks held on to the EASY passes that were thrown at him last game, I feel like we'd be discussing a VERY different scenario...

One in which Wilson wouldve ran about 5-8 more times, which lets assume is about 20-40 more yards to his total and perhaps even a score

All speculation... but against a ROCK solid DEF in KC this weekend, he put up very respectable numbers and with the better field position and first downs that wouldve emerged if Nicks wasnt a bum, we'd know exactly what we're walking into this week

 

[Khy]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.

1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

 

[monk]

what complicates this situation rt now is the giant's O line...they are in a shambles...totally banged up. I dont care how good a rb is, how much of a buy low can he be with a line like he is running behind rt now?

He's a decent buy low in the sense that I think they still have two games vs. PHI and two vs. WAS which are nice games for any RB, but yeah, I wouldn't go nuts.

But the most important point is the only chance the Giants have to be productive is protect Manning, and the line is a wreck, which means there's going to be a premium on protecting the QB. Whoever can do it will get some substantial playing time, similar to what's happened with Moreno in Denver.

Maybe this move is them giving Wilson another chance, maybe they just realized Scott is terrible, and they're going to use Jacobs, Conner, or another guy off the scrap heap (although scrap heap guy probably wouldn't play this week since he's never going to learn the protection in time).

The more I think about it, the more I think Conner is entering the mix. He'll have absolutely no FF value, but may keep Manning upright.

Ok now I'm sure

 

[rickyg]

I wonder if this it is just as simplistic as they signed Jacobs a few weeks ago, he's in better football shape after a few weeks with the team and they're going to use him now as the primary pass blocker on passing downs.

I find it hard to believe Cox will play any major role. Wilson's pass blocking was pretty terrible, so it really comes down to Jacobs to fill that role, or they're bringing someone else in.

Wilson's pass blocking has been more than fine the last three weeks.

Not really. Scott's been playing more snaps, and seen the majority of the passing down situations. Problem was he's terrible too. Coughlin may have just figured Scott's not any better than Wilson, and since they're both bad, might as well keep Wilson out there since he's a better offensive threat, or he might be looking for someone else.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see John Connor get some third down pass blocking snaps. If none of these guys can do the job, use the fullback.

Dude, no offense but i think you might be a simpleton

How could he not take offense to that? That's just rude.

 

[monk]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

Get your ### off this wagon !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go pick up Da'rel Scott ... Quick !!! I just read he might be the next Jamaal Charles!!!

 

[monk]

I wonder if this it is just as simplistic as they signed Jacobs a few weeks ago, he's in better football shape after a few weeks with the team and they're going to use him now as the primary pass blocker on passing downs.

I find it hard to believe Cox will play any major role. Wilson's pass blocking was pretty terrible, so it really comes down to Jacobs to fill that role, or they're bringing someone else in.

Wilson's pass blocking has been more than fine the last three weeks.

Not really. Scott's been playing more snaps, and seen the majority of the passing down situations. Problem was he's terrible too. Coughlin may have just figured Scott's not any better than Wilson, and since they're both bad, might as well keep Wilson out there since he's a better offensive threat, or he might be looking for someone else.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see John Connor get some third down pass blocking snaps. If none of these guys can do the job, use the fullback.

Dude, no offense but i think you might be a simpleton

How could he not take offense to that? That's just rude.

I tried to break it to him easy ?

 

[Eminence]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.

1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

 

[Eminence]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

Get your ### off this wagon !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go pick up Da'rel Scott ... Quick !!! I just read he might be the next Jamaal Charles!!!

Here's a nice picture of some fireworks:

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4928531936119800&pid=15.1

 

[msudaisy26]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

Get your ### off this wagon !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go pick up Da'rel Scott ... Quick !!! I just read he might be the next Jamaal Charles!!!

How dare you slight Da'Rel Scott like that

 

[msudaisy26]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

Get your ### off this wagon !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go pick up Da'rel Scott ... Quick !!! I just read he might be the next Jamaal Charles!!!

(GO KILL YOURSELF)

And I thought you were taking the ribbing pretty well.

 

[Eminence]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

Get your ### off this wagon !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go pick up Da'rel Scott ... Quick !!! I just read he might be the next Jamaal Charles!!!

(GO KILL YOURSELF)

And I thought you were taking the ribbing pretty well.

Eh, sarcasm (I assume) responded to with sarcasm. I did think it was a little too extreme and ended up editing my original post.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Scott released, might actually play him this week and bench CJ?K

 

[Khy]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

I still would love to be in your head to be able to see what you see. Every single professional fantasy and nfl analyst sees Wilson's running talent as elite. His speed, balance, agility and power are all on an elite level. I'd love to know how you and like 5 others in this thread are the only people who see him as a mediocre running talent.

 

[Eminence]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

I still would love to be in your head to be able to see what you see. Every single professional fantasy and nfl analyst sees Wilson's running talent as elite. His speed, balance, agility and power are all on an elite level. I'd love to know how you and like 5 others in this thread are the only people who see him as a mediocre running talent.

I just don't think he has quicks which I think limits his upside quite a bit. His bread and butter is using his speed to gobble up available yards. In instances where I think he could be more patient, set-up a block or a cutback he just runs straight-forward into the defender.

With a head of steam, he does break a few tackles. But I want my 205 lb Running Back making people miss rather than bouncing off guys. If David Wilson had half the moves that LeSean McCoy had; he'd be a stud RB all-day. But as of right now, there's just a missing facet to his game for me to consider him "elite".

He initiates contact way too much for my liking for a 205 lb Running Back. And while that worked in College, I think he's going to have a harder time with his current skillset in the NFL.

 

[TheFanatic]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime.

It had little to do with Scott's playing time. It had to do with the fact that Wilson wasn't used in obvious passing situations.

A lineman got injured and they needed to make room for a replacement. They picked a RB. This could prove to be big for Wilson IF he is given the shot and doesn't screw it up. But it seems like an odd thing for Wilson supporters to hang their hat on.

You mean for them to hang their hat on the exact same thing you've been hanging your hat on? Yeah, that makes sense...

 

[Khy]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

I still would love to be in your head to be able to see what you see. Every single professional fantasy and nfl analyst sees Wilson's running talent as elite. His speed, balance, agility and power are all on an elite level. I'd love to know how you and like 5 others in this thread are the only people who see him as a mediocre running talent.

I just don't think he has quicks which I think limits his upside quite a bit. His bread and butter is using his speed to gobble up available yards. In instances where I think he could be more patient, set-up a block or a cutback he just runs straight-forward into the defender.

With a head of steam, he does break a few tackles. But I want my 205 lb Running Back making people miss rather than bouncing off guys. If David Wilson had half the moves that LeSean McCoy had; he'd be a stud RB all-day. But as of right now, there's just a missing facet to his game for me to consider him "elite".

He initiates contact way too much for my liking for a 205 lb Running Back. And while that worked in College, I think he's going to have a harder time with his current skillset in the NFL.

I feel like you put seriously way to much weight in well... Weight. You bring it up a lot with Wilson. And again, he has those quicks in spades. As for him initiating contact to much, again it was one of the biggest knocks on Peterson coming out of college as well. And Peterson actually carried with him a pretty long injury history. Wilson on the other hand has a clean injury history. So to imply he's at a higher risk of injury is silly. And to imply that because he's only a certain weight he can't break tackles is also silly. In fact, the discussion of his weight in general is irrelevant if you think about it with an unbiased mins. Tiki barber was the same size as him. Tiki is also quoted in saying he feels Wilson possesses more skill than tiki did in his prime.

 

[Khy]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime.

It had little to do with Scott's playing time. It had to do with the fact that Wilson wasn't used in obvious passing situations.

A lineman got injured and they needed to make room for a replacement. They picked a RB. This could prove to be big for Wilson IF he is given the shot and doesn't screw it up. But it seems like an odd thing for Wilson supporters to hang their hat on.

You mean for them to hang their hat on the exact same thing you've been hanging your hat on? Yeah, that makes sense...

It seems only logical. Now that my point of "Wilson's looked better than Scott in pass protection the past two weeks. And clearly was the better rusher and I expect he'll keep getting more and more work" can no longer be disputed with "Well clearly Coughlin doesn't think that". The next logical step is to say the cutting of Scott isn't much to hang our hat on.

 

[avina1]

Dodds is a big fan of him this week. His ranking as of now is pretty generous, I expect that to lower a bit in the coming days. But at the same time, this is the week to gamble on Wilson in your starting line-up IMO. I think I'll be starting him over Chris Johnson.

 

[FlapJacks]

Who's it going to be?

Ingarm or Dwyer via trade?

Wells

McKnight

 

[msudaisy26]

Who's it going to be?

Ingarm or Dwyer via trade?

Wells

McKnight

Not sure why they would trade for Ingram? They already have a big back that averages like 2.0 ypc in Jacobs

 

[TheFanatic]

Can we get back on topic. Concept Coop, what does this now tell you. You and Coeur kept saying that clearly Wilson's a liability because of Scott's playtime.

It had little to do with Scott's playing time. It had to do with the fact that Wilson wasn't used in obvious passing situations.

A lineman got injured and they needed to make room for a replacement. They picked a RB. This could prove to be big for Wilson IF he is given the shot and doesn't screw it up. But it seems like an odd thing for Wilson supporters to hang their hat on.

You mean for them to hang their hat on the exact same thing you've been hanging your hat on? Yeah, that makes sense...

It seems only logical. Now that my point of "Wilson's looked better than Scott in pass protection the past two weeks. And clearly was the better rusher and I expect he'll keep getting more and more work" can no longer be disputed with "Well clearly Coughlin doesn't think that". The next logical step is to say the cutting of Scott isn't much to hang our hat on.

Exactly. Now that his argument that he has been hanging his hat on for about 5 pages is negated, then it's not a big deal. There are few things I despise more than hypocrisy.

Here's a clue as to why Scott got released. These were third down plays in consecutive Giant possessions:

3-11-NYG 36 - (5:54) 10-E.Manning sacked at NYG 34 for -2 yards (91-T.Hali). FUMBLES (91-T.Hali), RECOVERED by KC-21-D.Robinson at NYG 35. 21-D.Robinson to NYG 35 for no gain (65-W.Beatty).


3-6-NYG 35

- (4:13) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning sacked at NYG 27 for -8 yards (97-A.Bailey).

 

[duaneok66]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

I still would love to be in your head to be able to see what you see. Every single professional fantasy and nfl analyst sees Wilson's running talent as elite. His speed, balance, agility and power are all on an elite level. I'd love to know how you and like 5 others in this thread are the only people who see him as a mediocre running talent.

there is a wide area between "elite" and "mediocre".

 

[FDC]

Lol at the trade speculation because of Scott being dropped.

Us fantasy owners should be the first to realize it makes no sense to drop someone before a trade.

 

[OG_GF]

Lol at the trade speculation because of Scott being dropped.

Us fantasy owners should be the first to realize it makes no sense to drop someone before a trade.

Yep. Pick up Andre Brown, if available.

 

[buddahj]

Due to injuries it looks like I'll be starting Wilson this week. :X

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Due to injuries it looks like I'll be starting Wilson this week. :X

hes been on my bench since week 2...i believe that they are going to give wilson a real shot at proving himself this weekend...starting him and hoping he passes this test.

 

[Khy]

Lol at the trade speculation because of Scott being dropped.

Us fantasy owners should be the first to realize it makes no sense to drop someone before a trade.

Yep. Pick up Andre Brown, if available.

You do realize that it's literally physically impossible for them to activate Brown until their Week 10 bye right? Just curious if you realize this or not. Maybe that's their shark move, confused everyone. Release Scott 6 weeks early to mess with the oppositions heads! Simply brilliant Coach Tom.

 

[steveski]

Maybe they're going to send Andre Brown to Walter White's guy and get him a new identity so he can step in and play right away. Only logical explanation I can see.

 

[crowe1130]

Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Yet here I go plugging Wilson in for the first time since week 2 and hoping for big things.

This is the week, right? Right?

 

[Eviloutsider]

So is there a reason why Wilson doesn't catch any balls? In PPR leagues he would be servicable with 50 rushing yards as long as he caught 3-4 balls with that.

 

[steveski]

So is there a reason why Wilson doesn't catch any balls? In PPR leagues he would be servicable with 50 rushing yards as long as he caught 3-4 balls with that.

No. There is no reason. He made some spectacular catches last year that 80% of RB's couldn't make.

 

[Khy]

So is there a reason why Wilson doesn't catch any balls? In PPR leagues he would be servicable with 50 rushing yards as long as he caught 3-4 balls with that.

No. There is no reason. He made some spectacular catches last year that 80% of RB's couldn't make.

It's mainly just been the situations they've been using him in all season. He hasn't been in on those 3rd and 4 type of plays where a backfield pass is a high percentage play for the first down. He 'should' be now and if he is? He'll start catching those passes.

How quickly we forget that he caught 7 passes in preseason on what was pretty much all first quarter work as they took him out of all the preseason games early. Because they were trying to work Brown in with some first team reps as well. But in 24 preseason rushing attempts he added 7 receptions. So it would stand to reason that IF they are going to give him a chance to play every down back now, he should be catching 2-3 passes a game.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

what complicates this situation rt now is the giant's O line...they are in a shambles...totally banged up. I dont care how good a rb is, how much of a buy low can he be with a line like he is running behind rt now?

He's a decent buy low in the sense that I think they still have two games vs. PHI and two vs. WAS which are nice games for any RB, but yeah, I wouldn't go nuts.

But the most important point is the only chance the Giants have to be productive is protect Manning, and the line is a wreck, which means there's going to be a premium on protecting the QB. Whoever can do it will get some substantial playing time, similar to what's happened with Moreno in

Denver.

Maybe this move is them giving Wilson another chance, maybe they just realized Scott is terrible, and they're going to use Jacobs, Conner, or another guy off the scrap heap (although scrap heap guy probably wouldn't play this week since he's never going to learn the protection in time).

The more I think about it, the more I think Conner is entering the mix. He'll have absolutely no FF value, but may keep Manning upright.

Ok now I'm sure

So he's a fool for suggesting that the Giants might use someone other than Wilson as a designated pass blocker? Yeah... OK.

I don't know that I've ever seen a more defensive, irrational, and stupidly stubborn bunch of people than the pro-Wilson guys this year. Wild conspiracy theories, calls to fire the coach, still clinging to the obviously ridiculous preseason projections of stardom -- while insulting and shouting down anyone who dares to state the obvious truth -- that Wilson is either not that good, period, or just not ready to handle a featured role yet. Either way, given the current state of the team, the chances of it happening this year are slim to none. You blew your 2nd round pick on an unproven pie-in-the sky pipedream. It's happened to all of us. Learn from it, move on, and realize that it's usually better to just hit boring singles that early in the draft. But no, it's easier to throw poo at other people on a messageboard.

If he's simpleminded, you (still clinging to your blindingly stupid 270 touch RB1 projection even now) have crossed over into full blown drooling ####### status.

 

[steveski]

So is there a reason why Wilson doesn't catch any balls? In PPR leagues he would be servicable with 50 rushing yards as long as he caught 3-4 balls with that.

No. There is no reason. He made some spectacular catches last year that 80% of RB's couldn't make.

It's mainly just been the situations they've been using him in all season. He hasn't been in on those 3rd and 4 type of plays where a backfield pass is a high percentage play for the first down. He 'should' be now and if he is? He'll start catching those passes.

How quickly we forget that he caught 7 passes in preseason on what was pretty much all first quarter work as they took him out of all the preseason games early. Because they were trying to work Brown in with some first team reps as well. But in 24 preseason rushing attempts he added 7 receptions. So it would stand to reason that IF they are going to give him a chance to play every down back now, he should be catching 2-3 passes a game.

I agree. Maybe I missed this earlier on in this thread, but what is your opinion as to why they cut Scott? I would think they wanted to fully unleash Wilson and make sure it works out before cutting his backup? Cutting their backup before trying it out seems kind of backwards, no?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Throwing Cox on my deep dynasty teams this week after Scott's release. He looked nice in the preseason. It might be time to start evaluating him.

 

[ShaHBucks]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things. 1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

Giants obviously want to develop Wilson into a main carry back. No matter how mediocre of a talent he is there is value in him getting 15+ touches a game. At pennies in the dollar why not if you have a roster spot or want to wait and see what happens? That's called good business.

 

[Khy]

So is there a reason why Wilson doesn't catch any balls? In PPR leagues he would be servicable with 50 rushing yards as long as he caught 3-4 balls with that.

No. There is no reason. He made some spectacular catches last year that 80% of RB's couldn't make.

It's mainly just been the situations they've been using him in all season. He hasn't been in on those 3rd and 4 type of plays where a backfield pass is a high percentage play for the first down. He 'should' be now and if he is? He'll start catching those passes.

How quickly we forget that he caught 7 passes in preseason on what was pretty much all first quarter work as they took him out of all the preseason games early. Because they were trying to work Brown in with some first team reps as well. But in 24 preseason rushing attempts he added 7 receptions. So it would stand to reason that IF they are going to give him a chance to play every down back now, he should be catching 2-3 passes a game.

I agree. Maybe I missed this earlier on in this thread, but what is your opinion as to why they cut Scott? I would think they wanted to fully unleash Wilson and make sure it works out before cutting his backup? Cutting their backup before trying it out seems kind of backwards, no?

Honestly I'm not sure why they cut Scott. If I had to wager a theory it'd be multi parted.

1. They picked up Center Dallas Reynolds from the Eagles last season after they released Scott.

2. Right after they picked up Reynolds reports started coming out of NY beat writers that Snee may need season ending surgery to his hip. Although Reynolds is a Center and that's Baas's position so it's interesting that they wouldn't grab a guard off FA instead of a Center.

3. It's possible both Baas AND Snee may miss significant time and they simply felt that Reynolds was the best pickup at this time.

4. Regardless of what people in this thread would have you believe because they haven't actually watched the games. Wilson has looked better than Scott in the past two weeks in pass blocking situations and without a doubt in running situations. I was saying it several pages ago after the Chiefs game that they were being to unpredictable with the Scott/Wilson mixture. If I'm just some guy on my couch at home and I'm able to guess with like 80% accuracy what each play is going to be. Then you bet your ### coaches who are being paid millions of dollars to coach football can figure it out. Especially when one of those coaches is Andy Reid, someone who has played against a Coughlin/Gilbride coached offense 2 times a year since 2007.

So my guess when adding all these together would be this:

They decided that after starting 0-4 and evaluating the tape of Wilson and Scott, they would just give Wilson the full shot he deserves as there's no where to go but up from 0-4 and scoring 7 points in the last 2 weeks. Scott has been no better than Wilson in pass protection so it's silly to keep him in on those downs when Wilson at least gives them the option to make a play out of the backfield that Scott simply doesn't provide. They probably intended on keeping Scott on the roster until the news came out about Snee possibly needing season ending surgery and (my guess) I'm willing to bet that Baas stands to miss some significant time as well, leaving Cordle as the only Center on the roster. Scott was on the roster bubble to begin the season, if Brown didn't get injured in the preseason he was to be cut anyway. So they decided to use Wilson and ride or die with him and see what they have in him now that this is a seemingly lost season. And hey, if Wilson hits big like a lot of people (including the coaches) thought coming into the season, maybe they start stringing together some wins in a division that is somehow still within their grasp after starting 0-4. If he doesn't and he fails to live up to expectations at least they know for next season for certain that he simply isn't going to be the guy they want him to be and they can plan accordingly for 2014. And they needed to sign another lineman for insurance purposes, the logical decision is to cut the guy that you didn't even want on the team in the first place. And if Snee needs to go to IR they'll sign someone for the time being who will likely be cut when they need to reactivate Brown in 5-6 weeks.

 

[T with T]

So, when does Andre Brown come back?

who cares????

 

[T with T]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.

1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

dude are you that stupid or just uninformed and don't watch football??????? David wilson doesn't have moves??????? what!!!!!!!!!! that's like saying peyton manning is a pee armed qb... That is total ####### info and totally wrong. he actually probably needs less blocking then a guy like AP.... He has vision, some of the best balance I have seen, cut back ability, side to side ability, speed, and basically everything a talented top back has.... The guy had one bad game against the cowboys, or should I say 2 in his whole career now he needs HUGE holes to do anything... Go back in your hole eminem or whatever your name is your clueless.....

 

[Khy]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

dude are you that stupid or just uninformed and don't watch football??????? David wilson doesn't have moves??????? what!!!!!!!!!! that's like saying peyton manning is a pee armed qb... That is total ####### info and totally wrong. he actually probably needs less blocking then a guy like AP.... He has vision, some of the best balance I have seen, cut back ability, side to side ability, speed, and basically everything a talented top back has.... The guy had one bad game against the cowboys, or should I say 2 in his whole career now he needs HUGE holes to do anything... Go back in your hole eminem or whatever your name is your clueless.....

A little harsh. But I'd have a tough time disagreeing. I have yet to see Eminence make an evaluation I agree with on these boards. Then again, he's a young kid who probably just doesn't know all that much about what to look for in players. Although... He does have a website.

 

[T with T]

Dodds is a big fan of him this week. His ranking as of now is pretty generous, I expect that to lower a bit in the coming days. But at the same time, this is the week to gamble on Wilson in your starting line-up IMO. I think I'll be starting him over Chris Johnson.

and the Last minute bandwagoners are FILLING UP CHOOOOO CHOOOOOO hurry hurry

 

[B-Deep]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

why would they sign and pay a player they know is worthless? Charity?

 

[T with T]

I think with every down back carries and 3rd down / gl Wilson could be a stud.... The giants put him in the worst poss situation to contribute in fantasy.... No passes thrown to him, no dump offs, screens, bubble screens, reverses, no gl... They basically trotted him out there and telegraphed it perfectly and ran him 8-10 up the gut.... WOW what a great ingenious way to get your soon to be stud back in a good situation to score points.... Jacobs/scott were in the game more then half the time... At 1-3 and needing a win bad Im all in with Wilson in my big $$$$$$$$ league and for some weird reason I think he goes off this week..... remember last year he was in the doghouse for like 10 weeks in a row then when they finally decided to give him carries he broke out over last 4..... let's get 12 good games out of him and salvage an early 3rd round pick..... as for Brown, he makes Mcfadden look durable... This guy has been on 6 teams and has 80 career carries and is hurt every other week... His injury list is longer then Martinizing's laundry list.