***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[B-Deep]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

I agree with your take on Wilson, the Giants are smart they know the odds of making the playoffs at 0 - 4 are slim even in a horrible division, they also know that the odds are even worse without any type of running game. Unless he fumbles like 3 times this game or 5 times in the next 3 games I think this is his gig until Brown comes back. Whether he does well, or averages 3.5 ypc.

I don't think the front office stepped in, this isn't "Moneyball" and even that movie twists the story so it has more Hollywood appeal. No team cuts/trades players without talking to the coaches first. If they did by some strange reason it means Coughlin is on his way out, and I am 99% sure that isn't the case either.

the idea that the front office is trying to get Coughlin to play wilson by cutting his backups without consulting the coaches is ridiculous

THIS is the type of "wilson is aweosme if not for the conspiracy" theories that make this thread fun

 

[TheFanatic]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

why would they sign and pay a player they know is worthless? Charity?

Why would they cut their second leading rusher and go to war with Wilson and Jacobs only?

 

[T with T]

Wilson is a stud that's why..... I don't care what any of you uneducated 1 gamers think about the guy... watch some tape.... watch him play... Giants offense has been terrible and line has been horrendous along with terrible play calling.. no space plays no passes to the back and he is in and out of the game like a hooker on bourbon street popping up and down.... he needs lots of carries/catches playing time.

 

[B-Deep]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

I still would love to be in your head to be able to see what you see. Every single professional fantasy and nfl analyst sees Wilson's running talent as elite. His speed, balance, agility and power are all on an elite level. I'd love to know how you and like 5 others in this thread are the only people who see him as a mediocre running talent.

how about a link to specific people calling him elite

give me

shefty

jaworski

theisman

dungy

ian rappaport

 

[B-Deep]

So is there a reason why Wilson doesn't catch any balls? In PPR leagues he would be servicable with 50 rushing yards as long as he caught 3-4 balls with that.

No. There is no reason. He made some spectacular catches last year that 80% of RB's couldn't make.

top 20% of recieivng talents eh?

stupid giants

sitting on the next marhsall faulk and not using him

 

[Khy]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

why would they sign and pay a player they know is worthless? Charity?

Why would they cut their second leading rusher and go to war with Wilson and Jacobs only?

I said it earlier and will say it again:

Jacobs isn't a good running back carrying the ball. He's never been that good in pass blocking. He's never been that good at short yardage. What is he on the team for then?

A veteran mentor presence for their talented 1st round pick who just needs a good influence around who has been through it all. Someone that can up his confidence and teach him through his mistakes. Think of when they brought in Warner to mentor Eli. Same situation, just someone to be a person that Wilson is comfortable leaning on for advice and help when it's needed.

 

[B-Deep]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.

1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

dude are you that stupid or just uninformed and don't watch football??????? David wilson doesn't have moves??????? what!!!!!!!!!! that's like saying peyton manning is a pee armed qb... That is total ####### info and totally wrong. he actually probably needs less blocking then a guy like AP.... He has vision, some of the best balance I have seen, cut back ability, side to side ability, speed, and basically everything a talented top back has.... The guy had one bad game against the cowboys, or should I say 2 in his whole career now he needs HUGE holes to do anything... Go back in your hole eminem or whatever your name is your clueless.....

first balloter!!!

you see it khy right?

how the hyperoble on this guy is MINDBOGGLING

 

[B-Deep]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.

I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

why would they sign and pay a player they know is worthless? Charity?

Why would they cut their second leading rusher and go to war with Wilson and Jacobs only?

correction

only wilson, since they know jacobs cannot play RB

 

[B-Deep]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

why would they sign and pay a player they know is worthless? Charity?

Why would they cut their second leading rusher and go to war with Wilson and Jacobs only?

I said it earlier and will say it again:

Jacobs isn't a good running back carrying the ball. He's never been that good in pass blocking. He's never been that good at short yardage. What is he on the team for then?

A veteran mentor presence for their talented 1st round pick who just needs a good influence around who has been through it all. Someone that can up his confidence and teach him through his mistakes. Think of when they brought in Warner to mentor Eli. Same situation, just someone to be a person that Wilson is comfortable leaning on for advice and help when it's needed.

Brandon Jacobs, a mentor?

come on now

 

[JFS171]

Said it a few pages ago. Still stand by it... Cox was going to make the team ahead of Scott before Brown got hurt. After Week 1, reports came out about Cox that the team felt he just wasn't ready yet.

Now they cut Scott, which leaves only Jacobs (who we know isn't very good) and Cox behind Wilson. Is he a longshot? Sure, but I found room on my dynasty rosters for Cox after the news. The team clearly likes him. While I agree it's more likely for Wilson to inherit more third downs and "workhorse" status, I'm not sure he will succeed with it (though the matchup can't be much better for this week).

Just saying... keep an eye on Cox. May just need a chance. Giants have a history of hitting with late round RBs (Bradshaw, Ward, Scott).

 

[steveski]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

 

[B-Deep]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!

the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Wilson is a stud that's why..... I don't care what any of you uneducated 1 gamers think about the guy... watch some tape.... watch him play... Giants offense has been terrible and line has been horrendous along with terrible play calling.. no space plays no passes to the back and he is in and out of the game like a hooker on bourbon street popping up and down.... he needs lots of carries/catches playing time.

This guy is pure gold. 'Grats on the GED dawg!!!

 

[hotlanta]

Regardless of whether the front office had a role in Scott being cut or not, the bottom line is a first round pick is a huge investment for a team. And not playing him because of a couple of fumbles is just plain ridiculous. He went over 70 carries last year without fumbling after the opening game. He's just too talented to be splitting carries with the likes of Jacobs, Scott, and Brown. He's already shown what he can do last year. It's not like the guy is unproven at this level

 

[T with T]

Said it a few pages ago. Still stand by it... Cox was going to make the team ahead of Scott before Brown got hurt. After Week 1, reports came out about Cox that the team felt he just wasn't ready yet.

Now they cut Scott, which leaves only Jacobs (who we know isn't very good) and Cox behind Wilson. Is he a longshot? Sure, but I found room on my dynasty rosters for Cox after the news. The team clearly likes him. While I agree it's more likely for Wilson to inherit more third downs and "workhorse" status, I'm not sure he will succeed with it (though the matchup can't be much better for this week).

Just saying... keep an eye on Cox. May just need a chance. Giants have a history of hitting with late round RBs (Bradshaw, Ward, Scott).

good point... I think it will be 1. Wilson 2. cox 3. jacobs unless they make a trade or sign hightower... jacobs is useless and only there bc he knows system and can help mentally for Wilson..... although I think jacobs is a whoos cry baby they should waive him to.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

 

[T with T]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!

the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

Ap would be just as bad with 8 carries and no gl 3rd down work.... He isn't even getting 15 carries a game guy wake up. The situation is terrible but should be lighting up soon as I think Giants are awake... as for the dip#### saying grats on the ged, why don't you use proper grammar tough guy. Bdeep and conaseur are just pathetic trolling wilson haters... Go to another forum... Although I must admit this David Wilson Thread is fun and will never die 150 + pages strong by week 12

 

[hotlanta]

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

What's the point? It's not like he can call plays or block for himself.

 

[LususV]

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

That's some deep analysis.

 

[T with T]

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

how many carries? good blocking? was he getting blown up in the backfield as soon as he got the ball? Their is always a lot of variables that go into this. With good blocking you can see the talent he has to run north/south in a hurry and only needs a crease to take it 75 yards. He has amazing talent just hasn't been able to use it because situation, gameplan, etc, bad breaks (fumbles, missed blocking assignments) have made it tougher. We are in week 4 and I think as a 2nd year player Wilson has grown substantially.... I will go out on a limb and say he is fantasy relevant from here on out.

 

[steveski]

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

That's some deep analysis.

That's all they can still spit out after over 4000 posts in this thread. Any time real analysis pops up they fall back on that.

 

[T with T]

coeur, bdeep, concept coop or poop are 3 of the little trolls that have been trolling from day 1. I wonder if Dwilson #### in their cheerios or they just have a man fetish for Dwilson... Whatever it is these guys give no facts and offer little to no analysis, discussion or reasoning to what they blurt out on message boards. Watch Dwilson run on an eye level and he is clearly and elite talent.... Forget numbers and what he has done in the NFL to this point because that's not even relevant at this point...... The one thing I do want to point out about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. Throughout his career guy doesn't miss time. Highschool, College and pros so far, albeit a limited opportunity. I think if the Giants can sustain some more drives and not go 3 and out 25 times a game and get in some rhythm and not telegraph every play and use 3 running backs and just totally find new, dumb ways to lose games then Wilson should be fine, and I just have this little itch telling me Wilson sees 20+ carries this week and turns heads.... Could be wrong but I have been eyeing this for breakout for weeks.....

 

[B-Deep]

coeur, bdeep, concept coop or poop are 3 of the little trolls that have been trolling from day 1. I wonder if Dwilson #### in their cheerios or they just have a man fetish for Dwilson... Whatever it is these guys give no facts and offer little to no analysis, discussion or reasoning to what they blurt out on message boards. Watch Dwilson run on an eye level and he is clearly and elite talent.... Forget numbers and what he has done in the NFL to this point because that's not even relevant at this point...... The one thing I do want to point out about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. Throughout his career guy doesn't miss time. Highschool, College and pros so far, albeit a limited opportunity. I think if the Giants can sustain some more drives and not go 3 and out 25 times a game and get in some rhythm and not telegraph every play and use 3 running backs and just totally find new, dumb ways to lose games then Wilson should be fine, and I just have this little itch telling me Wilson sees 20+ carries this week and turns heads.... Could be wrong but I have been eyeing this for breakout for weeks.....

i have not been in here since D1

sorry

nor am i anti wilson

i just don;t think he's proven to be nearly as elite as some.

 

[T with T]

I finally figured out why the Giants waived Scott........................... ready for it. He fumbled. It all seems so crystal clear to me now.

 

[B-Deep]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!

the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

Ap would be just as bad with 8 carries and no gl 3rd down work.... He isn't even getting 15 carries a game guy wake up. The situation is terrible but should be lighting up soon as I think Giants are awake... as for the dip#### saying grats on the ged, why don't you use proper grammar tough guy. Bdeep and conaseur are just pathetic trolling wilson haters... Go to another forum... Although I must admit this David Wilson Thread is fun and will never die 150 + pages strong by week 12

ap would get more than 15 carries, that is a huge part of the point

 

[T with T]

coeur, bdeep, concept coop or poop are 3 of the little trolls that have been trolling from day 1. I wonder if Dwilson #### in their cheerios or they just have a man fetish for Dwilson... Whatever it is these guys give no facts and offer little to no analysis, discussion or reasoning to what they blurt out on message boards. Watch Dwilson run on an eye level and he is clearly and elite talent.... Forget numbers and what he has done in the NFL to this point because that's not even relevant at this point...... The one thing I do want to point out about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. Throughout his career guy doesn't miss time. Highschool, College and pros so far, albeit a limited opportunity. I think if the Giants can sustain some more drives and not go 3 and out 25 times a game and get in some rhythm and not telegraph every play and use 3 running backs and just totally find new, dumb ways to lose games then Wilson should be fine, and I just have this little itch telling me Wilson sees 20+ carries this week and turns heads.... Could be wrong but I have been eyeing this for breakout for weeks.....

i have not been in here since D1

sorry

nor am i anti wilson

i just don;t think he's proven to be nearly as elite as some.

ok Bdeep give you that but Concept poop and Coeur have.

 

[B-Deep]

coeur, bdeep, concept coop or poop are 3 of the little trolls that have been trolling from day 1. I wonder if Dwilson #### in their cheerios or they just have a man fetish for Dwilson... Whatever it is these guys give no facts and offer little to no analysis, discussion or reasoning to what they blurt out on message boards. Watch Dwilson run on an eye level and he is clearly and elite talent.... Forget numbers and what he has done in the NFL to this point because that's not even relevant at this point...... The one thing I do want to point out about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. Throughout his career guy doesn't miss time. Highschool, College and pros so far, albeit a limited opportunity. I think if the Giants can sustain some more drives and not go 3 and out 25 times a game and get in some rhythm and not telegraph every play and use 3 running backs and just totally find new, dumb ways to lose games then Wilson should be fine, and I just have this little itch telling me Wilson sees 20+ carries this week and turns heads.... Could be wrong but I have been eyeing this for breakout for weeks.....

i have not been in here since D1

sorry

nor am i anti wilson

i just don;t think he's proven to be nearly as elite as some.

ok Bdeep give you that but Concept poop and Coeur have.

i was not really down on this guy, untill he started sucking

even now, i think his chances at being a serviceable back are pretty good, though form a fantasy perspective our season is almost 1/3rd over and he has been garbage.

but i don't think a fast 40 time and some limited success last season is enough to elevate him to nearly the levels people say in here. people were projecting him as a potential top 5 or top 3 back, some people called him THE top dynasty back, and we regularly hear that his upside is tomlinson/peterson/charles

sorry, i need to see actual performance to buy into that

at this point if he ends the season RB 15, which would be remarkable, he has not NEARLY lived up to the hype spewed in thie thread.

this week will be interesting though, i expect a great game, nothing less. I am certian then that the hype will ratchet up even more.

it is going to be fun watching this guy this season

but i am telling you know, if we project his current stats out and he ends the season RB50+ there will still be people hyping this guy next season as elite.

 

[T with T]

I love it this is a year and a half old thread........

 

[T with T]

If he plays great from here on out I will be hyping him to esp if he helps late surge playoff run or helps win championships... I will not hold first 4 weeks against him I will let that slide..... Wilson is only 22 years old and he is goin nowhere but up From here... Get your oxygen masks we are gonna go so high it may be hard to breathe fellass..... are we in denver?

 

[T with T]

82 pages and counting............................. This has been the hottest thread all offseason. David Wilson is a rockstar. :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL:

 

[Khy]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!

the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

coeur, bdeep, concept coop or poop are 3 of the little trolls that have been

trolling from day 1. I wonder if Dwilson #### in their cheerios or they just have a man fetish for Dwilson... Whatever it is these guys give no facts and offer little to no analysis, discussion or reasoning to what they blurt out on message boards. Watch Dwilson run on an eye level and he is clearly and elite talent.... Forget numbers and what he has done in the NFL to this point because that's not even relevant at this point...... The one thing I do want to point out about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. Throughout his career guy doesn't miss time. Highschool, College and pros so far, albeit a limited opportunity. I think if the Giants can sustain some more drives and not go 3 and out 25 times a game and get in some rhythm and not telegraph every play and use 3 running backs and just totally find new, dumb ways to lose games then Wilson should be fine, and I just have this little itch telling me Wilson sees 20+ carries this week and turns heads.... Could be wrong but I have been eyeing this for breakout for weeks.....

i have not been in here since D1sorry

nor am i anti wilson

i just don;t think he's proven to be nearly as elite as some.

ok Bdeep give you that but Concept poop and Coeur have.

Yeah not so much. If you bothered to, you know, actually read the thread, you'd know that I'm not a Wilson hater at all. In fact I gave my opinion on the guy in this post just yesterday. The hype on Wilson is totally out of control -- and you're one of the main culprits comparing him to Adrian Peterson, calling for the HOF coach to get fired, and throwing around insults like "stupid" and "uneducated" while sounding like a chest thumping 3rd grader at recess.

 

[TheFanatic]

how about a link to specific people calling him elite

give me

shefty

jaworski

theisman

dungy

ian rappaport

First, why would you want to know what Theisman has to say?

Schefter

Quoting Gilbride:

Giants OC Kevin Gilbride on rookie RB David Wilson: "I don't know if we've had a guy as explosive, regardless of the position, here.

RT a cool stat from college:

RT @PSchrags: According to STATS, David Wilson gained 990 yards last season after making contact with a defender, the best mark in the NCAA.

Someone asking Schefter about Wilson and his answer:

Q: David Wilson had a rough game for the New York Giants. How long do you think he’ll remain in Tom Coughlin’s doghouse, given the lack of a reliable backup RB? -- Fred (New York) A: Fred, maybe he will get out Sunday versus the Broncos. But he’s one fumble away from being back in, and being back in for good -- and he may be there already. At this point, it’s not even about being in the doghouse, it’s about giving the Giants a reliable threat in the running game. Wilson is talented. As one person who knows him said about Wilson, “He’s special.” But he’s a special person who can’t hold on to the football right now. I would guess New York has to give him another chance, especially with Andre Brown being sidelined for eight weeks with a broken leg. But Wilson is running out of opportunities.

And since Schefter isn't a talent evaluator, that's about as good as it gets.

Jaworski

Discussing Wilson after Brown went down:

[SIZE=14pt]Giants RB, David Wilson will be the featured back for New York this season due to injury to Andre Brown – Wilson showed improved patience as runner in Pre-Season with pressing the hole and setting up his blocks to better create running lanes, and possesses excellent lateral quickness and great vertical speed to break long runs.[/SIZE]

Hard to find much else from Jaws as he usually focuses on QB's.

Didn't find anything from Rapoport other than him reporting about the situation. As a Sr. Media Insider for the NFL, not sure what else he would do other than report instead of give opinion.

I didn't find anything from Dungy at all.

I did find this from his combine review:

OVERVIEWWilson is an electrifying runner who opted to come out early after an incredible junior year where he was named ACC Player of the Year. He truly runs with his own style, and it's obvious that he has love for the game. He was one of very few limited prospects who played for Team USA prior to enrolling in college, dominating the tournament and displaying elite athletic ability. He is a high risk-high reward player who loves to reverse field on the entire defense. He is a decorated track star who shows obvious explosion every time he touches the ball.

I think I am running low on quote bubbles, so going to just link.

Here is Sports Illustrated saying he could be a top five RB

The problem with finding quotes about David Wilson with the word Elite, is that the type of jersey that Nike makes with Wilson on it is called Elite. So every website that has DQ jerseys pops up in the search.

 

[Concept Coop]

coeur, bdeep, concept coop or poop are 3 of the little trolls that have been trolling from day 1. I wonder if Dwilson #### in their cheerios or they just have a man fetish for Dwilson... Whatever it is these guys give no facts and offer little to no analysis, discussion or reasoning to what they blurt out on message boards. Watch Dwilson run on an eye level and he is clearly and elite talent.... Forget numbers and what he has done in the NFL to this point because that's not even relevant at this point...... The one thing I do want to point out about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. Throughout his career guy doesn't miss time. Highschool, College and pros so far, albeit a limited opportunity. I think if the Giants can sustain some more drives and not go 3 and out 25 times a game and get in some rhythm and not telegraph every play and use 3 running backs and just totally find new, dumb ways to lose games then Wilson should be fine, and I just have this little itch telling me Wilson sees 20+ carries this week and turns heads.... Could be wrong but I have been eyeing this for breakout for weeks.....

I haven't had it pointed out in so long - I almost forgot my last name rhymes with pooper. Good times.

 

[TheFanatic]

I finally figured out why the Giants waived Scott........................... ready for it. He fumbled. It all seems so crystal clear to me now.

Scott got Eli sacked twice. Eli was sacked twice on 3rd down last week.

 

[Concept Coop]

Yeah not so much. If you bothered to, you know, actually read the thread, you'd know that I'm not a Wilson hater at all. In fact I gave my opinion on the guy in this post just yesterday. The hype on Wilson is totally out of control -- and you're one of the main culprits comparing him to Adrian Peterson, calling for the HOF coach to get fired, and throwing around insults like "stupid" and "uneducated" while sounding like a chest thumping 3rd grader at recess.

Don't forget "poop".

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I'm new to this shindig but after four weeks I've come to the conclusion we have the equivalent of Jermichael Finley hype of years ago for Wilson.

Much like Finley it was all hype. Dude just isn't very good. I realize some of you are heavily invested in this guy so making excuses ala line, carries ect. Makes you feel better but Andre Brown comes back and Wilson is a situational player. He's got some speed if he can find a nice lane but that's about it. Good backs make something out of nothing, that's not Wilson and I have not even mentioned his atrocious ball security.

Giants will draft a RB next year no doubt.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Yeah not so much. If you bothered to, you know, actually read the thread, you'd know that I'm not a Wilson hater at all. In fact I gave my opinion on the guy in this post just yesterday. The hype on Wilson is totally out of control -- and you're one of the main culprits comparing him to Adrian Peterson, calling for the HOF coach to get fired, and throwing around insults like "stupid" and "uneducated" while sounding like a chest thumping 3rd grader at recess.

Don't forget "poop".

Pretty sure he called me "queer" too a few pages back. Guy is full of brilliant football insight.

 

[Khy]

Here is Sports Illustrated saying he could be a top five RB

The problem with finding quotes about David Wilson with the word Elite, is that the type of jersey that Nike makes with Wilson on it is called Elite. So every website that has DQ jerseys pops up in the search.

I'll add to this with some quotes (good and bad) from Matt Waldman's analysis of him in the RSP.

Wilson’s great acceleration and willingness to bang into players without a lot of patience is reminiscent of Darren McFadden during the Raiders RB’s college career. Wilson has better cutting ability than McFadden, but like McFadden, CJ Spiller, LeSean McCoy, and Jamaal Charles, Wilson needs to learn to become a better decision maker at the line of scrimmage. He tries to bounce runs to the corner too often and he’ll even attempt to reverse his field once his initial bounce doesn’t work.

He’s also not consistent with using his left arm when he carries the football to the left side of the field but he did it enough times that I’m giving him credit (all but once in this game). His footwork-punch coordination needs to be refined. He often delivers a punch when his feet aren’t in good position against the defender he’s tring to block and this can get him into trouble with better edge rushers. However, the potential to develop into a good pass protector is there.

Wilson’s quickness, speed, balance, and stop-start agility is among the best in the country and it makes him a special athlete/runner in the open field. Get him in space and he’s a nightmare to bring down. When he’s disciplined about what he’s doing conceptually, he has the pad level, acceleration, and technique to be productive as a between the tackles, chain-moving runner. Physically he might have as much upside as any back in this draft. He catches the ball well with his hands and he has potential to develop into a good pass protector because he generally diagnoses the blitzes that he Va Tech faces and his initial footwork before contact is good. Wilson is a “strong,” 205 pounds and I think he can probably add another 10 pounds to his frame as he matures. Talent-wise I don’t know if there’s a better runner in this draft other than Trent Richardson and Wilson probably has better speed and lateral agility.

I generally know that I have a player with immense upside but clear deficiencies that might take time for him to address. Here’s a one-play taste of that upside in terms of agility, balance, and functional power. Wilson fits that description as well as any back I’ve watched in a decade.

 

[Tango]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN30m
Tom Coughlin indicates Brandon Jacobs' role will increase -- especially on short-yardage/goal line -- now that Da'Rel Scott is cut.


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[ShaHBucks]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college. You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

 

[T with T]

Yeah not so much. If you bothered to, you know, actually read the thread, you'd know that I'm not a Wilson hater at all. In fact I gave my opinion on the guy in this post just yesterday. The hype on Wilson is totally out of control -- and you're one of the main culprits comparing him to Adrian Peterson, calling for the HOF coach to get fired, and throwing around insults like "stupid" and "uneducated" while sounding like a chest thumping 3rd grader at recess.

Don't forget "poop".

Pretty sure he called me "queer" too a few pages back. Guy is full of brilliant football insight.

I have given out more facts, proof and insight then your line he has 38 carries for 138 yards.... OK thanks for that insight boss.

 

[T with T]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college.You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

Kenny Irons?????? are you kidding me? that guy couldn't hold Dwilson's jock.... Dwilson is hard to compare to any rbs playing right now because he has a different style then any of them. I think he is far superior to Kenny Irons. That is comical the names that were on the list. Sorry guy your wrong.

 

[T with T]

curtis keaton and brandon jackson... them are god awful comparisons.....

 

[ShaHBucks]

Pull up the Tyler Wilson/ Gabbert scouting report. I got a kick out of those

Here is Sports Illustrated saying he could be a top five RB

The problem with finding quotes about David Wilson with the word Elite, is that the type of jersey that Nike makes with Wilson on it is called Elite. So every website that has DQ jerseys pops up in the search.

I'll add to this with some quotes (good and bad) from Matt Waldman's analysis of him in the RSP.

Wilson’s great acceleration and willingness to bang into players without a lot of patience is reminiscent of Darren McFadden during the Raiders RB’s college career. Wilson has better cutting ability than McFadden, but like McFadden, CJ Spiller, LeSean McCoy, and Jamaal Charles, Wilson needs to learn to become a better decision maker at the line of scrimmage. He tries to bounce runs to the corner too often and he’ll even attempt to reverse his field once his initial bounce doesn’t work.

He’s also not consistent with using his left arm when he carries the football to the left side of the field but he did it enough times that I’m giving him credit (all but once in this game). His footwork-punch coordination needs to be refined. He often delivers a punch when his feet aren’t in good position against the defender he’s tring to block and this can get him into trouble with better edge rushers. However, the potential to develop into a good pass protector is there.

Wilson’s quickness, speed, balance, and stop-start agility is among the best in the country and it makes him a special athlete/runner in the open field. Get him in space and he’s a nightmare to bring down. When he’s disciplined about what he’s doing conceptually, he has the pad level, acceleration, and technique to be productive as a between the tackles, chain-moving runner. Physically he might have as much upside as any back in this draft. He catches the ball well with his hands and he has potential to develop into a good pass protector because he generally diagnoses the blitzes that he Va Tech faces and his initial footwork before contact is good. Wilson is a “strong,” 205 pounds and I think he can probably add another 10 pounds to his frame as he matures. Talent-wise I don’t know if there’s a better runner in this draft other than Trent Richardson and Wilson probably has better speed and lateral agility.

I generally know that I have a player with immense upside but clear deficiencies that might take time for him to address. Here’s a one-play tastehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MazffVhy6pw of that upside in terms of agility, balance, and functional power. Wilson fits that description as well as any back I’ve watched in a decade.

 

[T with T]

I could go with Knowshon Moreno even or maybe at best case a Jamaal charles/doug martin type of back... Runs with super low pad level and always leaned forward with superior balance, agility,vision and able to deliver hits. That's why his yards after contact are so great because you see how low he gets and how far forward his body is leaning it's insane.

 

[T with T]

I don't ever want to hear curtis keaton and David wilson in the same sentence... That is blasphemy and just plain wrong.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college.You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

Kenny Irons?????? are you kidding me? that guy couldn't hold Dwilson's jock.... Dwilson is hard to compare to any rbs playing right now because he has a different style then any of them. I think he is far superior to Kenny Irons. That is comical the names that were on the list. Sorry guy your wrong.

You do realize that your dabating against facts? Some of us call them numbers. They hardly ever lie.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Closer measurable/production to Ryan Moats than Barry Sanders.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Don't waste your time man. They don't start teaching math until 1st grade -- let the guy work on his English first.