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Tom Coughlin indicates Brandon Jacobs' role will increase -- especially on short-yardage/goal line -- now that Da'Rel Scott is cut.


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[Soulfly3]

^^ obvious.

 

[T with T]

Don't waste your time man. They don't start teaching math until 1st grade -- let the guy work on his English first.

oh your so funny.. What numbers are the same about kenny irons and dwilson... some players are workout warriors and not good football players..... measurables and things don't tell the whole story anyway. You are probably a middle aged guy with marital issues who trolls on dwilson forums looking for other people to attack.. Go stick your head in a sand box guppy.

 

[T with T]

Jacobs at the GL makes no sense to me when Dwilson is a far better gl runner. Only way Jacobs would get any carries is on 3rd and 1 and 4th and inches. That's a shame that Dwilson was only on the field for 45 % of the snaps.

 

[Concept Coop]

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders?

Then what's the point? They are nothing alike, style wise.

"Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson"

This is sig-worthy.

Also - Wilson didn't run a sub 4.4 at the combine.

 

[Concept Coop]

I had to post this again, sorry:

"[barry] Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson" - Khy

 

[Coeur de Lion]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

 

[steveski]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

 

[Khy]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college.You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

Oh man what a great site. Lets look at some other amazing comparisons shall we?

LaDainian Tomlinson: Compares closest to Marion Barber, Kolby Smith, Mario Fannin. Some real winners.

Adrian Peterson: Compares to Jalen Parmele, Musa Smith and Glen Coffee WHOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEE.

Jamaal Charles: Right up there with the greats of Chad Simpson, Ramonce Taylor and Trung Canidate.

Okay, now that we've debunked using that awful website for anything. Oh and btw, Barry Sanders isn't an option for comparison on that site as it only goes back to 1999 combine numbers. I fail to see how you can deny that Wilson and Sanders combine numbers are almost identical. They're all separated by pretty much small decimal points.

When did I say suspect agility?

 

[Concept Coop]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[msudaisy26]

So, more looks for Wilson appears in the cards. What if he fumbles again?

At this point, they're 0-4 and just cut Scott. They KNOW with 100% fact that Jacobs isn't any actual type of RB anymore. Hasn't been for years.I feel like at 0-4 this is ride or die for them and Wilson. I think regardless of his production or fumbles they're rolling with him for at least the next 2-3 games with confidence.

Someone mentioned this above and the thought did cross my mind. I wonder if the Front Office stepped in here in the cutting if Wilson. No GM wants to see their 1st Round pick being criminally under utilized for ridiculous reasons such as fumbles. I wouldn't be completely shocked if at 0-4 and the Giants still using Scott who is a borderline NFL talent at best, just as much as Wilson pissed the front office off. And Jerry Resse stepped in and cut him.

There could be some validity to this. I guess you have to figure, if you're not going to get anything from your Running Game. You might as well give it to a guy who has the potentially to break it for a 50 - 60 yard score; 14+ times a game.

Again, Wilson's fantasy value is going to rely on those "big plays". The more times he touches the ball, the more likely he is to break said plays.

Then again, Scott only had 6 touches last-week. But assuming Wilson inherits those 6 touches at the 4.2 YPC he had last game, he easily could have had a statline of about 85 Yards. Which wouldn't be terrible for Fantasy Purposes.

2 things.1. I thought he had no talent?

2. many of the best RBs in the NFL rely on big plays. Take away Petersons huge runs this season and his stat line is pathetic. Take away Charles and Spillers huge runs from last year same story. The truly "elite" RBs are almost never people who average 4.5ypc for real. They usually average 2.5ypc on 18 carries and then like 25ypc on two other carries.

1.) Quote me where I said, "David Wilson has no talent".

2.) Yeah, but Peterson uses an arsenal of moves to make his big plays. David Wilson uses perfect blocking to just run past everyone. The nature of their big plays are EXTREMELY different. In my opinion, Adrian Peterson is the kind of player who makes his own yards. David Wilson is not, his big plays are usually a product of perfect blocking where he goes 50+ yards untouchded.

What I'm trying to say is that I can more reasonable expect big plays from Peterson because he wills his way down the field. With someone like David Wilson, I have to hope the conditions are just right and the blocking is perfect. Obviously it's not a negative to have that kind of burst that David Wilson has.

But it's not something that I want to "rely on" for Fantasy Purposes. I'd be much happier if he'd juke a guy out; ran with patience; etc.

I still would love to be in your head to be able to see what you see. Every single professional fantasy and nfl analyst sees Wilson's running talent as elite. His speed, balance, agility and power are all on an elite level. I'd love to know how you and like 5 others in this thread are the only people who see him as a mediocre running talent.

how about a link to specific people calling him elite

give me

shefty

jaworski

theisman

dungy

ian rappaport

http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/david-wilson-4/

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/david-wilson?id=2533035

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/04/what-theyre-saying-about-giants-pick-david-wilson-plus-more-draft-nuggets

 

[Soulfly3]

LOL

this thread is $$$$$$$$

 

[Khy]

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders?

Then what's the point? They are nothing alike, style wise.

"Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson"

This is sig-worthy.

Also - Wilson didn't run a sub 4.4 at the combine.

Probably a bad usage of the term. By cut on a dime I'm not really referencing his start and stop agility. Which is a mistake on my part. I more so mean you rarely saw him make enormous cuts where he'd stop and leap 2-3 yards side ways. He had the ability to do it and sometimes did. But more often that not he made small moves and changes in direction which allowed him to keep his momentum and aide his balance better than enormous cuts that we see McCoy, Peterson, Charles types make.

 

[Concept Coop]

" [barry Sanders} didn't make ankle breaking cuts..."

 

[ShaHBucks]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college.You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

Oh man what a great site. Lets look at some other amazing comparisons shall we?

LaDainian Tomlinson: Compares closest to Marion Barber, Kolby Smith, Mario Fannin. Some real winners.

Adrian Peterson: Compares to Jalen Parmele, Musa Smith and Glen Coffee WHOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEE.

Jamaal Charles: Right up there with the greats of Chad Simpson, Ramonce Taylor and Trung Canidate.

Okay, now that we've debunked using that awful website for anything. Oh and btw, Barry Sanders isn't an option for comparison on that site as it only goes back to 1999 combine numbers. I fail to see how you can deny that Wilson and Sanders combine numbers are almost identical. They're all separated by pretty much small decimal points.

When did I say suspect agility?

I said he has suspect agility. And you insist on using a unofficial 40x instead on the combine numbers. Line the numbers up yourself.Super Mario is a freak athlete btw

 

[msudaisy26]

Barry Sander's moves had moves.

 

[Concept Coop]

Probably a bad usage of the term. By cut on a dime I'm not really referencing his start and stop agility. Which is a mistake on my part. I more so mean you rarely saw him make enormous cuts where he'd stop and leap 2-3 yards side ways. He had the ability to do it and sometimes did. But more often that not he made small moves and changes in direction which allowed him to keep his momentum and aide his balance better than enormous cuts that we see McCoy, Peterson, Charles types make.

Nobody leaps sideways 9 feet. That doesn't happen. And nobody you listed makes bigger cuts than Barry did. You're digging a bigger hole here. You likely didn't watch much of Barry, and that's okay. But he ran nothing like Wilson and was, is, and always will be THE "stop on a dime" player.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.

BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

 

[steveski]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.

BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

 

[TheFanatic]

Probably a bad usage of the term. By cut on a dime I'm not really referencing his start and stop agility. Which is a mistake on my part. I more so mean you rarely saw him make enormous cuts where he'd stop and leap 2-3 yards side ways. He had the ability to do it and sometimes did. But more often that not he made small moves and changes in direction which allowed him to keep his momentum and aide his balance better than enormous cuts that we see McCoy, Peterson, Charles types make.

Nobody leaps sideways 9 feet. That doesn't happen. And nobody you listed makes bigger cuts than Barry did. You're digging a bigger hole here. You likely didn't watch much of Barry, and that's okay. But he ran nothing like Wilson and was, is, and always will be THE "stop on a dime" player.

Yeah, KHY, for the first time, I agree with Coop. Stop. For your sake. Stop.

 

[TheFanatic]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.

BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

And if guys gave up on Charles as early as they are giving up on Wilson, they would've regretted it. Eerily similar numbers to start their careers...

 

[msudaisy26]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.

BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

Oh that is how it works? No wonder I am sucking this year. I have to go get Eddie Royal because he is going to catch 2 touchdowns this week and 3 next week.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message

board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

Yeah, some people might find his actual numbers more relevant than "CHOO mfing CHOO," "Coughlin should get fired," comparisons to Barry Sanders / Adrian Peterson, "this is the week," "starting him with confidence," and all of the other nonsense, hyperbole, and general garbage that all of the pro-Wilson folks are spouting to try to justify their side of the discussion. Because the actual cold hard data about David Wilson, in terms of both his usage and his effectiveness, doesn't line up with what they (you) want to see.

 

[Khy]

Probably a bad usage of the term. By cut on a dime I'm not really referencing his start and stop agility. Which is a mistake on my part. I more so mean you rarely saw him make enormous cuts where he'd stop and leap 2-3 yards side ways. He had the ability to do it and sometimes did. But more often that not he made small moves and changes in direction which allowed him to keep his momentum and aide his balance better than enormous cuts that we see McCoy, Peterson, Charles types make.

Nobody leaps sideways 9 feet. That doesn't happen. And nobody you listed makes bigger cuts than Barry did. You're digging a bigger hole here. You likely didn't watch much of Barry, and that's okay. But he ran nothing like Wilson and was, is, and always will be THE "stop on a dime" player.

I'll give up. It's funny as I read your posts and don't disagree with you I just can't find a way to put into words what I'm actually trying to say. Which is where the disconnect is...

Just so we're clear, in my opinion Barry Sanders is the GOAT. Not at RB just in general period, end of sentence. But when I watched him play and even now when I just go to Youtube and watch his old highlights. I don't see what I consider "dramatic cuts". Most of Barry's cuts were very small... 3-5 inch "cuts" (or what I refer to as more change in direction) just to make a defender lose his squared up position. When you watch film of Barry you don't often see him make defenders completely miss, you often see their arms sliding off his waist. And that wasn't because defenders were bad, Barry just had this ability to always put defenders in that position.

You're not wrong in what you're saying, neither am I really I just can't find a way to "really" explain what I'm trying to without you like standing in front of me so I can kind of play it out. It's just a hard thing to put into words.

 

[steveski]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message

board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

Yeah, some people might find his actual numbers more relevant than "CHOO mfing CHOO," "Coughlin should get fired," comparisons to Barry Sanders / Adrian Peterson, "this is the week," "starting him with confidence," and all of the other nonsense, hyperbole, and general garbage that all of the pro-Wilson folks are spouting to try to justify their side of the discussion. Because the actual cold hard data about David Wilson, in terms of both his usage and his effectiveness, doesn't line up with what they (you) want to see.

You aren't posting cold hard data. You are posting his data in the most condensed form possible. This isn't twitter. You can post more than 140 characters.

 

[Khy]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message

board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

Yeah, some people might find his actual numbers more relevant than "CHOO mfing CHOO," "Coughlin should get fired," comparisons to Barry Sanders / Adrian Peterson, "this is the week," "starting him with confidence," and all of the other nonsense, hyperbole, and general garbage that all of the pro-Wilson folks are spouting to try to justify their side of the discussion. Because the actual cold hard data about David Wilson, in terms of both his usage and his effectiveness, doesn't line up with what they (you) want to see.

So this years numbers are relevant when the Giants look like one of the worst teams in the NFL? But last seasons numbers when he completely tore teams up in the limited action he saw was irrelevant to the conversation. Gotcha. Taking stats from the 3 games he saw more than 10 carries in last season (close to the same as his 4 games this season) we see these numbers:

2012 - 3 Games: 40 carries, 230 yards 5.75ypc, 2 TDs

2013 - 4 Games: 38 carries, 130 yards, 3.42ypc, 0 TDs

Nobody, the anti or pro crowd can ignore the other stat line. The answer we don't have is which of these is the real David Wilson? My bet is on 2012 as the Giants weren't an 0-4 team doomed to mediocrity last season. The line didn't have 2 new starters on it every week. And Eli wasn't throwing 3 INTs a game.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had

and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

And if guys gave up on Charles as early as they are giving up on Wilson, they would've regretted it. Eerily similar numbers to start their careers...

Link to even one person saying "give up on Wilson" or cut him or anything similar? Particularly re: any dynasty or keeper format? Benching him until he shows signs of life is pretty much the most extreme measure that anyone is suggesting here.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message

board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David

Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

Yeah, some people might find his actual numbers more relevant than "CHOO mfing CHOO," "Coughlin should get fired," comparisons to Barry Sanders / Adrian Peterson, "this is the week," "starting him with confidence," and all of the other nonsense, hyperbole, and general garbage that all of the pro-Wilson folks are spouting to try to justify their side of the discussion. Because the actual cold hard data about David Wilson, in terms of both his usage and his effectiveness, doesn't line up with what they (you) want to see.

So this years numbers are relevant when the Giants look like one of the worst teams in the NFL? But last seasons numbers when he completely tore teams up in the limited action he saw was irrelevant to the conversation. Gotcha. Taking stats from the 3 games he saw more than 10 carries in last season (close to the same as his 4 games this season) we see these numbers:

2012 - 3 Games: 40 carries, 230 yards 5.75ypc, 2 TDs

2013 - 4 Games: 38 carries, 130 yards, 3.42ypc, 0 TDs

Nobody, the anti or pro crowd can ignore the other stat line. The answer we don't have is which of these is the real David Wilson? My bet is on 2012 as the Giants weren't an 0-4 team doomed to mediocrity last season. The line didn't have 2 new starters on it every week. And Eli wasn't throwing 3 INTs a game.

Relax dude. You're so freakin defensive about this guy you're not even slowing down to read what people are saying. As I have said, repeatedly, I pretty much agree with you for the most part on Wilson's actual running ability / talent. But stuff like usage and team situation are pretty damn important in terms of figuring out what his short term production is most likely to be. And his numbers thus far this year are certainly much more relevant to what he'll likely do THIS WEEK than are his stats last year, even though the latter are, IMO, closer to a true reflection on his ability as a runner.

 

[ShaHBucks]

This is exhausting

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Barry Sander's moves had moves.

Barry Sanders had so many moves he gave his extra ones to his son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQsykbQXVRA

 

[Grahamburn]

This is exhausting

I don't even really read it any more. I just click the white star and scroll to the end. I'm not sure why.

Khy 273 Concept Coop 137 netnalp 134 ShaHBucks 120 msudaisy26 116 TheFanatic 113 B-Deep 105 T with T 96 Eminence 95 monk 86 Banger 75 Koya 68 Touchdown There 61 ponchsox 58 Sabertooth 55 Yenrub 54 zamboni 50 steveski 49 Avery 47 Clifford 40 JuniorNB 38 Rick James 37 Kenny Powers 37 Grahamburn 35 RushHour 34 duaneok66 31 Coeur de Lion 31 Kool-Aid Larry 30 Khy is pretty adamant about his guy.

 

[TheFanatic]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had

and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

And if guys gave up on Charles as early as they are giving up on Wilson, they would've regretted it. Eerily similar numbers to start their careers...

Link to even one person saying "give up on Wilson" or cut him or anything similar? Particularly re: any dynasty or keeper format? Benching him until he shows signs of life is pretty much the most extreme measure that anyone is suggesting here.

If all the nay sayers were saying was, he just needs time to come around, so keep him on the bench until he does, this thread would not be 80 pages long...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

how much do you want to bet he breaks a 50 yd td in the first 5 min and then gets knocked out for the year?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had

and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

And if guys gave up on Charles as early as they are giving up on Wilson,

they would've regretted it. Eerily similar numbers to start their careers...

Link to even one person saying "give up on Wilson" or cut him or anything similar? Particularly re: any dynasty or keeper format? Benching him until he shows signs of life is pretty much the most extreme measure that anyone is suggesting here.

If all the nay sayers were saying was, he just needs time to come around, so keep him on the bench until he does, this thread would not be 80 pages

long...

So in other words, you've got nothing. Keep on setting up those strawmen and knocking em down, brotha!

 

[ShaHBucks]

This is exhausting

I don't even really read it any more. I just click the white star and scroll to the end. I'm not sure why.

Khy 273 Concept Coop 137 netnalp 134 ShaHBucks 120 msudaisy26 116 TheFanatic 113 B-Deep 105 T with T 96 Eminence 95 monk 86 Banger 75 Koya 68 Touchdown There 61 ponchsox 58 Sabertooth 55 Yenrub 54 zamboni 50 steveski 49 Avery 47 Clifford 40 JuniorNB 38 Rick James 37 Kenny Powers 37 Grahamburn 35 RushHour 34 duaneok66 31 Coeur de Lion 31 Kool-Aid Larry 30

Khy is pretty adamant about his guy.

Wow I need a life

 

[T with T]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college.You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

Oh man what a great site. Lets look at some other amazing comparisons shall we?

LaDainian Tomlinson: Compares closest to Marion Barber, Kolby Smith, Mario Fannin. Some real winners.

Adrian Peterson: Compares to Jalen Parmele, Musa Smith and Glen Coffee WHOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEE.

Jamaal Charles: Right up there with the greats of Chad Simpson, Ramonce Taylor and Trung Canidate.

Okay, now that we've debunked using that awful website for anything. Oh and btw, Barry Sanders isn't an option for comparison on that site as it only goes back to 1999 combine numbers. I fail to see how you can deny that Wilson and Sanders combine numbers are almost identical. They're all separated by pretty much small decimal points.

When did I say suspect agility?

Glen coffee????? holy #### that's a funny one... he was out of the league for a while. Good college player in the SEC.

 

[T with T]

" [barry Sanders} didn't make ankle breaking cuts..."

Ya I have to agree with you concept I saw that to and I live in Detroit and by him saying that I almost have to say he loses all credibility, unless he meant something different than how it reads.

 

[Nucker101]

This might be one of my all-time favorite threads at FBG's.

On a more serious note, if I was a Wilson owner I might try to shop him around this week after the Scott news in hopes of someone potentially buying into the hype again. Maybe package him for a more reliable RB to an owner who still believes in Wilson.

 

[snitwitch]

Thanks for the quality posts B-Deep. At least Eminence tries to post information and data even though it's all made up in his head.

any time!the exaggeration on this kid is insane

he is routinely accepted by some as elite, he is compared constantly to the best backs in the nfl,. you yourself said he makes catches 80% of the RBs in the league cannot make

if you read the pro wilson threads you'd think this guy was the #1 back in the NFL, and he simply has not shown that, at all.

if he is NEARLY as good as people in here say coughlin and everyone at the giants should be fired for not featuring him as a 25+ touch a game stud. Which, by the way, people in here agree with!

His problem is his blocking, although someone said he needs less blocking than Peterson. I wonder if anyone thinks Peterson would be this bad on this team...answer is probably yes because clearly Wilson has Peterson upside

forgive me for wanting to see some results before crowing David Wilson the king of all Running Backs

he'll never meet some of the expectations in this thread, because they are so high if he did he would be a fist ballot hall of famer

I feel like you've never tried to evaluate a player before. Most people when evaluating a player in ANY sport compare new players to the greats of old. They try to look at their combinations of size, speed, agility etc. to get an idea of who they might be like if everything lined up right for them. When Peterson came out he was often compared to Dickerson and people would post the same thing "You can't compare Peterson to Dickerson that's nonsense" and when Tomlinson came out he was compared to Emmitt and people would say the same thing "You can't compare Tomlinson to Emmitt that's nonsense". When I say (as I have said several times) that I've compared Wilson to Sanders... I'm not in any way shape or form saying that Wilson will ever be even half the running back Barry Sanders was in his time. I'm simply looking at footage of them side by side and see a lot of comparable features in both their size and their style and skillsets.

- Sanders was a smaller back (5'8" 200 lbs). Wilson is a smaller back (5'9" 205 lbs).

- Sanders probably had 1/5 of his weight in his thighs alone. Wilson is the same way.

- Sanders had unbelievable balance that often left people saying "Was he just walking horizontally?", Wilson displays similar balance.

- Sanders had good speed, not elite speed like a Chris Johnson, but good pad speed. He was fast to the hole and could run in between tacklers and was deceptive with his quicks. Wilson is very similar in that aspect.

- Sanders wasn't really a 'cut on a dime' runner like we see from people like Shady or Peterson. He was more of a quick change of direction back. He didn't make ankle breaking cuts he would change direction and use his leg power and balance to simply ignore the fact that the defender hit him rather than completely avoid contact. Wilson is very similar, he has a good one cut but he isn't going to just cut back and forth and make 5 guys miss. He'll cut once make a guy miss then just run through the next arm tackle and keep his feet under him.

- Sanders rarely went down after first contact, Wilson almost never goes down after first contact, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 runs of his where he did.

- Sanders and Wilson also share very similar combine numbers.

Sanders 40 time was about 4.37. Wilson's combine mark was 4.38.

Sanders vertical jump was 41.5". Wilson's combine mark was 41".

Sanders broad jump was 10' 11". Wilson's combine mark was 11'.

Again, am I saying David Wilson is the next Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying David Wilson's upside is Barry Sanders? No. Am I saying I even predict David Wilson will have 50% of Barry Sanders career? No. What I'm saying is when you watch video of the two side by side; when you look at their builds (height, weight, structure) and when you compare their combine marks. They are very similar/comparable. Either way, I'm reading for the inevitable "WHAHAHAHAHDLKHDFHDLFSDHFSDF YOU THINK WILSON IS BARRY SANDERS YOU BAFFOOONNNN!!!!" because nobody in this thread seems to have the capability to read and comprehend and seems to enjoy only reading the parts of posts they want to read.

EDIT: Just to touch on another part of this... I believe Wilson does have some crucial problems he needs to fix before he has real elite potential. They aren't hard to fix and none of them are really 'football related'. I think a lot of his issues come from mental set backs. The kid is very emotional and HATES when he messes up. I assure you every time he fumbles he's 10x more devastated than any fan or coach of the Giants. Which means every time he makes a mistake it hurts his confidence more and more. He needs to get over this mental hump before he can really and truly succeed in the league and make his talent become what it should be. When Adrian Peterson fumbles he doesn't get down on himself, he just goes out on the next drive and breaks a 60 yard TD run to make up for it. When Eli throws a crucial INT he doesn't get down on himself. He completely forgets it happens and goes out on the next drive and throws a perfect 70 yard TD to Cruz. These mental things are what set apart a lot of people with immense talent between being elite and being mediocre. If you don't believe in yourself and let your instincts take over, you're going to make more and more mistakes until eventually you fail. Think... Jay Cutler as a good example of this... had ALL the talent in the world coming into the league and could never put together the mental aspect of it all.

In real life, David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. Not last week, total. As in combined on the year.

Hope they're keeping a spot clear for him in Canton.

Nobody is putting him in Canton. And please, stop posting stats for him.

David Wilson has 38 carries,130 yards, 3.4ypc and 0 TDs

Ray Rice has 30 carries, 89 yards, 3.0ypc and 1 TD

Trent Richardson has 33 carries, 95 yards, 2.9ypc and 2 TDs

Clearly Ray Rice and Trent Richardson are trash as well and should be dropped in all formats.

Just stop. Sanders didn't have suspect agility and he was nice on the bench. Smmfh at the production Barry Sanders had in college.You really want a athletic comp? http://mockdraftable.com/player/302/

How does Kenny Irons sound to you? He does not profile like a difference maker at all, just another useful rb.

Oh man what a great site. Lets look at some other amazing comparisons shall we?

LaDainian Tomlinson: Compares closest to Marion Barber, Kolby Smith, Mario Fannin. Some real winners.

Adrian Peterson: Compares to Jalen Parmele, Musa Smith and Glen Coffee WHOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEE.

Jamaal Charles: Right up there with the greats of Chad Simpson, Ramonce Taylor and Trung Canidate.

Okay, now that we've debunked using that awful website for anything. Oh and btw, Barry Sanders isn't an option for comparison on that site as it only goes back to 1999 combine numbers. I fail to see how you can deny that Wilson and Sanders combine numbers are almost identical. They're all separated by pretty much small decimal points.

When did I say suspect agility?

Glen coffee????? holy #### that's a funny one... he was out of the league for a while. Good college player in the SEC.

Trung Canidate. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time.

 

[steveski]

This might be one of my all-time favorite threads at FBG's.

On a more serious note, if I was a Wilson owner I might try to shop him around this week after the Scott news in hopes of someone potentially buying into the hype again. Maybe package him for a more reliable RB to an owner who still believes in Wilson.

Just as a FYI, you're in a Wilson Bandwagon thread, so most people in here are believers in him and were just waiting for him to get the right opportunity. I don't think people that are believers in him are looking to sell now that they think his opportunity is improving.

If you weren't a believer in him then you probably should have sold him a while ago or not drafted him at all. If you held onto him this long, you're crazy to not hang onto him a few more days to see how he does. If he blows up and you're still not a believer, that is the time to sell.

 

[T with T]

yea he was fast but ended up fodder...

 

[TheFanatic]

IMO asking me to "please stop using stats" on a fantasy football message board was even better...

Because these are "your stats": David Wilson has 138 total yards, 2 catches, and zero TDs. What's next? Are you going to tell me he plays for the NY Giants?

Everyone knows that the best way to analyze a player is to look at his "stats" in the rawest form and ignore everything else, which is why Antonio Brown is the 5th best WR in all of football. And Rivers is the 3rd best QB.

I checked again, and I was right, those are actually David Wilson's stats, not mine. Although, even at almost 20 years past my playing days, I probably wouldn't do too much worse -- I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have fumbled quite as much.BTW this is a fantasy football forum. You know, magic football, the game where we draft guys and use statistics to figure out how many magic football points they score? Stats might have just a bit of relevance here guy.

Oh I see. What's the point of forums then when those "stats" are there clear as day for everyone to see? Who cares how many carries he's had

and if there is any other competition for him on the team? It doesn't matter because it's so clear. He's only run for 138 yards so far. Therefore he will run for 138 yards in the next 4 weeks. Boy this game of fantasy football is much easier now. Thanks!

And if guys gave up on Charles as early as they are giving up on Wilson,

they would've regretted it. Eerily similar numbers to start their careers...

Link to even one person saying "give up on Wilson" or cut him or anything similar? Particularly re: any dynasty or keeper format? Benching him until he shows signs of life is pretty much the most extreme measure that anyone is suggesting here.

If all the nay sayers were saying was, he just needs time to come around, so keep him on the bench until he does, this thread would not be 80 pages

long...

So in other words, you've got nothing. Keep on setting up those strawmen and knocking em down, brotha!

Say what? So you accuse me of setting up straw men when you make no argument here whatsoever. Not even defending your position. Not sure if that is a straw man or well, if you can't say something nice--

 

[T with T]

45 percent of the snaps scares me.... All this brandon jacobs role to increase sucks to.... Maybe wilson isn't gonna be featured... at least if wilson can play 3rd down and get 15-18 touches could be relevant... Gl would be nice inside 3 ... maybe at 1 put in jacobs.

 

[TheFanatic]

45 percent of the snaps scares me.... All this brandon jacobs role to increase sucks to.... Maybe wilson isn't gonna be featured... at least if wilson can play 3rd down and get 15-18 touches could be relevant... Gl would be nice inside 3 ... maybe at 1 put in jacobs.

The question you have to ask about Jacobs is, if he can handle that load effectively, wouldn't he have been on a roster? He will likely not perform that role well, or he will get injured.

 

[steveski]

45 percent of the snaps scares me.... All this brandon jacobs role to increase sucks to.... Maybe wilson isn't gonna be featured... at least if wilson can play 3rd down and get 15-18 touches could be relevant... Gl would be nice inside 3 ... maybe at 1 put in jacobs.

Do you honestly think Jacobs role will increase substantially? Honestly?

If anything, I see Jacobs getting the goal line work, which I think will be short lived as well. There's no way of knowing though because the Giants never get to the goal line.

 

[Khy]

45 percent of the snaps scares me.... All this brandon jacobs role to increase sucks to.... Maybe wilson isn't gonna be featured... at least if wilson can play 3rd down and get 15-18 touches could be relevant... Gl would be nice inside 3 ... maybe at 1 put in jacobs.

Do you honestly think Jacobs role will increase substantially? Honestly?

If anything, I see Jacobs getting the goal line work, which I think will be short lived as well. There's no way of knowing though because the Giants never get to the goal line.

I think it's 'possible' the Jacobs role increases a little bit. That said... on 11 carries he's averaging 1ypc this season. In Week 2 he got 7 carries, Week 3 he saw 3 carries then last week he saw 1. Clearly the Giants are sitting there watching him run the ball thinking "God... okay, maybe he's fine to use in pass protection. But my god is he plodding". They'd be better off taping the football to a comically large bowling ball and rolling it up the field than handing it off to Jacobs. His size is irrelevant now, he's just old and has no gas left in the tank. He's still a big guy and perfectly fine as a pass blocking fill in but I don't see him really getting much actual work.

Just like his carries have gone from 7 to 3 to 1 over the past 3 weeks since his signing; his snaps have also decreased from 14/79 (17.7% of the snaps) to 6/53 (11.3% of the snaps) to 5/64 (7.8% of the snaps). I highly... highly doubt they 'saw something' in Jacobs that left them feeling comfortable with releasing Scott. The only real logical situations I can see is they either:

A) Felt Wilson was finally up to the task or at the very least felt his pass protection was on par with Scott's at this stage (which isn't saying much to be honest).

B) Needed the roster space and decided to just ride or die with Wilson as the seasons nearly lost anyway

C) Saw some great things from Cox and feel like he can take over Scott's roll in a reduced scenario of say a 70/30 snap split between Wilson/Cox.

Regardless, of how the snap counts work out between the RBs I'd expect that Wilson will continue to see most of the actual running action out of the backfield as he has been seeing exponentially more each week.

Week 2

• Wilson: 24 snaps, 7 rushes.
• Scott: 39 snaps, 7 rushes.
• Jacobs: 14 snaps, 7 rushes

Wilson: 33% of the rushes

Week 3

• Wilson: 26 snaps, 11 rushes
• Scott: 21 snaps, 1 rush
• Jacobs: 6 snaps, 3 rushes

Wilson: 73.3% of the rushes

Week 4

• Wilson: 29 snaps, 13 rushes
• Scott: 28 snaps, 5 rushes
• Jacobs: 5 snaps, 1 rush

Wilson: 68.4% of the rushes

So he has been seeing that 70% of the pie the past few weeks. The hope needs to be that the pie as a whole increases and he can see more than 13 carries now. And as I said earlier, I'd like to see them use him on more than 2-3 consecutive snaps to see if the team is less predictable as I think it would help not only open up running lanes but also open up the passing game as well. I feel like right now they're SO predictable that it's actually making the offensive line play seem even worse than it is in reality. They're run blitzing when Wilson's in and dropping back into coverage with Scott's in and it's making things worse on that offensive line. As opposed to the defensive coordinator having to make an educated guess and actually having a chance to be wrong.

 

[T with T]

but my point is that if he is only in on 45 percent of the snaps, when he is in the Defense can key on him.... That's just it. It's all about not knowing... If I know your plays and know you are running when wilson is in and when this comes in your gonna do that and this guy u do that and so on..... They telegraphed everything and had no element of surprise... they need to keep wilson in there for 40-50 snaps and let him be the bellcow in any situation. 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down and gl and not be so telegraphic with him and he will be in much better shape in that aspect alone.

 

[T with T]

13 carries on 45 % of the snaps tells me that he ran almost every time in game.... way to telegraph that one, they should just send over the playbook.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

gonna be kind of tough for jacobs to see gl carries when wilson's bangin' 'em in from 20 yds out

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

13 carries on 45 % of the snaps tells me that he ran almost every time in game.... way to telegraph that one, they should just send over the playbook.

wut?