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[Routilla]

Jacobs could be a TD vulture big time this week. Going to give him a shot.

 

[B-Deep]

drop wilson for j-cobs?

that's insane

 

[B-Deep]

Was considering him as he was on WW then my opponent for this week picked him up and put him in the team. The release of their other RB is concerning me now along with Philly D !

Lions signed Ogletree. I'd say that lessens chance of nicks considerably

if he was on the WW i would not think twice about grabbing him

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[B-Deep]

starting jacobs over wilson is looney

 

[Khy]

exactly gilbride is garbage and has no offensive mind or ability to be creative, get his best players involved. Run's a garbage system and doesn't put best players on the field or give them opportunity to be what they could be. TC is a good coach and has won superbowls but I think NYG just needs a fresh face with an inquisitive offensive coordinator. They would be an NFC powerhouse for years... Jon Gruden or cowher wouldn't be bad replacements.

Oh come on! I havent been all that crazy about Gilbride either but its hard to argue with his previous results

He hasnt done a good job adjusting the offense this year to help out the poor offensive line but the offense has been productive under himhead scratching at times but productive

2012 14th in yards and 6th in scoring

2011 8th in yards and 9th in scoring

2010 5th in yards and 7th in scoring

2009 8th in yards and 8th in scoring

2008 7th in yards and 3rd in scoring

Sure... but 1, you're forgetting 2007 where they were 2007: 16th in yards and 14th in scoring. 2 I feel like you also have to look at the team before he took over...

2006: 14th in yards and 11th in scoring

2005: 4th in yards and 3rd in scoring

2004: 23rd in yards and 22nd in scoring

I mean... looking at the difference from 2004 - 2006 it's clear this was a team on the rise. John Hufnagel was forced out of town during the 2006 season for the same reason Gilbride is being scrutinized now. Hufnagel took this team from bottom of the barrel offensively to Top 5 in 2005, then had a small drop off in 2006 and was pushed out of town. Gilbride has ALWAYS posted a good stat line with the Giants but one does have to wonder... was a lot of this due to the surrounding talent he had simply being that good?

Gilbride took over for an up and coming QB with one of the top offensive line units in the league. With good young receivers and also happened to have a few good young running backs at his disposal. And he also had the pleasure of a good defense to keep him in games.

I think this season we're starting to see the biggest degrade this team has seen in years. Easily since Coughlin's been around. In 2006, Coughlin saved his job by firing Hufnagel and moving Gilbride from QB coach to OC. That happened mid-season if memory serves me right. Hufnagel was pushed out of town by increasing pressure from fans and ownership about Hufnagel's questionable play calling and failure to commit to the ground game. Shockingly enough, that's literally the exact same thing that's happening now with Gilbride. If he doesn't turn this around soon, Gilbride will be out of town before the end of the season.

EDIT: The big thing right now and a few analysts have mentioned this... specifically Carl Banks was analyzing the past few weeks the other day and was saying what I felt I'd been seeing. The defense has more or less been playing lights out for 3 of the 4 quarters each of the last 4 weeks. They've actually played pretty good all in all and eventually just fell apart in the 4th quarter. Now you can say "Well you have to play all 60 minutes" but that doesn't apply so much here. We're watching an offense that's giving up almost 4 turnovers a game. A defense that is getting almost the same amount of turnovers for the offense then watching said offense go three and out and put no points on the board to help them out. By the time the 4th quarter hits these guys are not only exhausted from having to be on the field so much more than they should have to be, but demoralized because the offense isn't capitalizing on any of the opportunities the defense is giving them.

I'd say 90% of the teams issues right now are offensively and that all should fall back on Gilbride's terribly and unimaginable play calling and player usage to this point.

I figured the last 5 years was a good enough sample size to prove that Gilbride isnt garbage like T with T suggestedOf course talent has a lot to do with an offenses success and right now the Giants dont have enough talent on the offensive line.

I do agree that Gildbride needs to make some adjustments to help the offensive line out a bit

No, he isn't garbage. I do however think he's in the bottom half of offensive coordinators in the NFL. I've honestly been trying to ignore most of what T with T is saying. As even though he's on my side, I can't even understand half of what he's typing. I assume he's either very young or English isn't his first language. Also he's resorted to name calling on more than several occasions. Which I don't really approve of, even though a lot of us have had a semi heated back and forth on this thread. For the most part it was kept civil until he and evanescence or whatever that dudes name was came in here and started jawing off at people.

 

[Khy]

I said this before, Giants will miss Jacobs as a pass blocker and as someone who can wear down defenses. It's time to get back to what won the Giants 2 Superbowls.

stop

No.

I can't stand the "big guys wear down a defense" mentality. Trust me... Jamaal Charles wears a defense down A LOT more than Brandon Jacobs. Defenses get tired chasing guys around, not knocking into a large clumsy wall and knocking him over.

 

[TheFanatic]

lol

every single profesional and fantasy football analyst = the people i want to consider analysts

face it, that was an extreme exaggeration

Sporting news, Pro Football Weekly, NFL.com, Yahoo sports, yeah, I just found some obscure idiots that supported my side. I'm sorry, were you actually wanting me to show a 100% concensus of every single analyst in the country? Or was it the world? Maybe the universe? Because if that is what you wanted, then you are a moron.

I'd like YOU to go out and find the guys that said he wouldn't be great this season. I found a few when I dug these up. And I'd be willing to bet your sources are a LOT more obscure and fewer and farther between than mine.

So please, take the time to go find the analysts that had negative things to say about Wilson prior to the start of the season. I dare you. Hell, I'll jump to the triple dog dare! When you're done, then we'll compare your sources. If you don't do this, then you show your true measure.

 

[OG_GF]

I said this before, Giants will miss Jacobs as a pass blocker and as someone who can wear down defenses. It's time to get back to what won the Giants 2 Superbowls.

stop

No.

I can't stand the "big guys wear down a defense" mentality. Trust me... Jamaal Charles wears a defense down A LOT more than Brandon Jacobs. Defenses get tired chasing guys around, not knocking into a large clumsy wall and knocking him over.

6' 4" and 265 is an anomoly for an NFL RB. There really is nobody tocompare Jacobs to.

 

[Khy]

I said this before, Giants will miss Jacobs as a pass blocker and as someone who can wear down defenses. It's time to get back to what won the Giants 2 Superbowls.

stop

No.

I can't stand the "big guys wear down a defense" mentality. Trust me... Jamaal Charles wears a defense down A LOT more than Brandon Jacobs. Defenses get tired chasing guys around, not knocking into a large clumsy wall and knocking him over.

6' 4" and 265 is an anomoly for an NFL RB. There really is nobody tocompare Jacobs to.

It doesn't really matter though. What's more tiring? Catching a turtle and flipping it over? Or catching a rabbit?That's the comparison we're making here. It's just a ridiculous though that brining down a heavy back is more tiring than chasing down a quick shifty back. You're not bench pressing Jacobs to bring him down, you're wrapping his ankles or just pushing him and letting his own weight bring him down. Trying to being down Wilson you're trying to square him up and hit him and hoping his balance doesn't keep him on his feet.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I said this before, Giants will miss Jacobs as a pass blocker and as someone who can wear down defenses. It's time to get back to what won the Giants 2 Superbowls.

stop

No.

I can't stand the "big guys wear down a defense" mentality. Trust me... Jamaal Charles wears a defense down A LOT more than Brandon Jacobs. Defenses get tired chasing guys around, not knocking into a large clumsy wall and knocking him over.

6' 4" and 265 is an anomoly for an NFL RB. There really is nobody tocompare Jacobs to.

how about lurch on the adams family?

 

[B-Deep]

lol

every single profesional and fantasy football analyst = the people i want to consider analysts

face it, that was an extreme exaggeration

Sporting news, Pro Football Weekly, NFL.com, Yahoo sports, yeah, I just found some obscure idiots that supported my side. I'm sorry, were you actually wanting me to show a 100% concensus of every single analyst in the country? Or was it the world? Maybe the universe? Because if that is what you wanted, then you are a moron.

I'd like YOU to go out and find the guys that said he wouldn't be great this season. I found a few when I dug these up. And I'd be willing to bet your sources are a LOT more obscure and fewer and farther between than mine.

So please, take the time to go find the analysts that had negative things to say about Wilson prior to the start of the season. I dare you. Hell, I'll jump to the triple dog dare! When you're done, then we'll compare your sources. If you don't do this, then you show your true measure.

Did i say only obscure sites say he is elite? Did i say anything about how many analysts thought he would suck this season?

nope

not at all

I responded to a ridiculous statement

what was said, was EVERY SINGLE PROFESIONAL NFL AND FANTASY ANALYST says he has elite talent

every single analyst, not most, not some, not a handful of respected, not every site, not the vast majority, EVERY SINGLE

that's a clear exaggeration

hell, i'll wager not every single professional NFL and fantasy analyst has gone on record about Wilson's talent being elite or not


it is the kind of crap that has made this thread an entertaining train wreck

 

[OG_GF]

I said this before, Giants will miss Jacobs as a pass blocker and as someone who can wear down defenses. It's time to get back to what won the Giants 2 Superbowls.

stop

No.

I can't stand the "big guys wear down a defense" mentality. Trust me... Jamaal Charles wears a defense down A LOT more than Brandon Jacobs. Defenses get tired chasing guys around, not knocking into a large clumsy wall and knocking him over.

6' 4" and 265 is an anomoly for an NFL RB. There really is nobody tocompare Jacobs to.

It doesn't really matter though. What's more tiring? Catching a turtle and flipping it over? Or catching a rabbit?That's the comparison we're making here. It's just a ridiculous though that brining down a heavy back is more tiring than chasing down a quick shifty back. You're not bench pressing Jacobs to bring him down, you're wrapping his ankles or just pushing him and letting his own weight bring him down. Trying to being down Wilson you're trying to square him up and hit him and hoping his balance doesn't keep him on his feet.

They don't get worn down from chasing him, they get worn down from being hit by him.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

ying to square him up and hit him and hoping his balance doesn't keep him on his feet.

They don't get worn down from chasing him, they get worn down from being hit by him.

dude, there's 11 players on defense, not even counting the ones that get rotated in --- if I'm getting worn down watching j-cobs run into the guy next to me on one of his 5 carries, I probably shouldn't be in the nfl.

 

[OG_GF]

ying to square him up and hit him and hoping his balance doesn't keep him on his feet.

They don't get worn down from chasing him, they get worn down from being hit by him.

dude, there's 11 players on defense, not even counting the ones that get rotated in --- if I'm getting worn down watching j-cobs run into the guy next to me on one of his 5 carries, I probably shouldn't be in the nfl.

It takes more than 5 carries for the "wear them down" theory to work, but it does work.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Physics dictates that 200 pounds moving at 30 mph can transfer more kinetic energy on impact than 250 pounds moving at 20 mph. And Jacobs needs a lot of room to get up to full speed. Room that he won't get behind what passes for an o line in NY these days. I guarantee you that every defender on the field unless there is a blitz called and it's a passing down is thrilled when Jacobs steps on the field. Thrilled.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I scarcely post in this topic because it's borderline absurd. I just wanted to stop in to say, as someone who doesn't have a dog in this race, that this week is Wilson's week. If you were able to buy-low, congratulations.

 

[steveski]

ying to square him up and hit him and hoping his balance doesn't keep him on his feet.

They don't get worn down from chasing him, they get worn down from being hit by him.

dude, there's 11 players on defense, not even counting the ones that get rotated in --- if I'm getting worn down watching j-cobs run into the guy next to me on one of his 5 carries, I probably shouldn't be in the nfl.

It takes more than 5 carries for the "wear them down" theory to work, but it does work.

I see what you're saying but I think your reasoning is wrong. Jacobs can wear down the defense if he's productive because him being productive is getting 6 yards at a time. 6 yards at a time for 100 yards wears down a defense. Wilson or a quick back breaking 20-30 yards on one carry means the defense is less tired because they've played less. A slow, steadily moving offense wears down the defense.

 

[TheFanatic]

Physics dictates that 200 pounds moving at 30 mph can transfer more kinetic energy on impact than 250 pounds moving at 20 mph. And Jacobs needs a lot of room to get up to full speed. Room that he won't get behind what passes for an o line in NY these days. I guarantee you that every defender on the field unless there is a blitz called and it's a passing down is thrilled when Jacobs steps on the field. Thrilled.

You mean like the tarmack at Laguardia?

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

OG, your logic is sound but you're wrong about jacobs. Jacobs' problem isn't his size. He thinks he's gonna break things outside, find gaps, and run like a smaller back. he's even said so when he was at the top if his game. He doesn't want to be a bruiser and he really does suck at it. that's why they got rid of him in the first place. his mentality, his skills, and his overall game just doesn't fit this even if his size says he should be this. this conversation was debunked about Jacobs about 4 years ago, no way he all of a sudden becomes this guy the Giants wanted him to be and gave him all of the opportunities to be. he's not even worthy of being a goal line back let alone a bruiser to wear down defenses.

 

[msudaisy26]

I said this before, Giants will miss Jacobs as a pass blocker and as someone who can wear down defenses. It's time to get back to what won the Giants 2 Superbowls.

stop

No.

I can't stand the "big guys wear down a defense" mentality. Trust me... Jamaal Charles wears a defense down A LOT more than Brandon Jacobs. Defenses get tired chasing guys around, not knocking into a large clumsy wall and knocking him over.

I am sure Jacobs wears down the those two defensive tackles that keep tackling him at or behind the line on his runs up the middle. The only problem is the 9 other guys still fresh on the field.

 

[msudaisy26]

Physics dictates that 200 pounds moving at 30 mph can transfer more kinetic energy on impact than 250 pounds moving at 20 mph. And Jacobs needs a lot of room to get up to full speed. Room that he won't get behind what passes for an o line in NY these days. I guarantee you that every defender on the field unless there is a blitz called and it's a passing down is thrilled when Jacobs steps on the field. Thrilled.

You mean like the tarmack at Laguardia?

 

[TheFanatic]

lol

every single profesional and fantasy football analyst = the people i want to consider analysts

face it, that was an extreme exaggeration

Sporting news, Pro Football Weekly, NFL.com, Yahoo sports, yeah, I just found some obscure idiots that supported my side. I'm sorry, were you actually wanting me to show a 100% concensus of every single analyst in the country? Or was it the world? Maybe the universe? Because if that is what you wanted, then you are a moron.

I'd like YOU to go out and find the guys that said he wouldn't be great this season. I found a few when I dug these up. And I'd be willing to bet your sources are a LOT more obscure and fewer and farther between than mine.

So please, take the time to go find the analysts that had negative things to say about Wilson prior to the start of the season. I dare you. Hell, I'll jump to the triple dog dare! When you're done, then we'll compare your sources. If you don't do this, then you show your true measure.

Did i say only obscure sites say he is elite? Did i say anything about how many analysts thought he would suck this season?

nope

not at all

I responded to a ridiculous statement

what was said, was EVERY SINGLE PROFESIONAL NFL AND FANTASY ANALYST says he has elite talent

every single analyst, not most, not some, not a handful of respected, not every site, not the vast majority, EVERY SINGLE

that's a clear exaggeration

hell, i'll wager not every single professional NFL and fantasy analyst has gone on record about Wilson's talent being elite or not


it is the kind of crap that has made this thread an entertaining train wreck

Oh, I misenterpreted that entirely! Sorry

 

[Khy]

Physics dictates that 200 pounds moving at 30 mph can transfer more kinetic energy on impact than 250 pounds moving at 20 mph. And Jacobs needs a lot of room to get up to full speed. Room that he won't get behind what passes for an o line in NY these days. I guarantee you that every defender on the field unless there is a blitz called and it's a passing down is thrilled when Jacobs steps on the field. Thrilled.

You mean like the tarmack at Laguardia?

Yeah... except more like a plane on the tarmac missing it's front wheel and the tar is still wet and not set in...

 

[OG_GF]

OG, your logic is sound but you're wrong about jacobs. Jacobs' problem isn't his size. He thinks he's gonna break things outside, find gaps, and run like a smaller back. he's even said so when he was at the top if his game. He doesn't want to be a bruiser and he really does suck at it. that's why they got rid of him in the first place. his mentality, his skills, and his overall game just doesn't fit this even if his size says he should be this. this conversation was debunked about Jacobs about 4 years ago, no way he all of a sudden becomes this guy the Giants wanted him to be and gave him all of the opportunities to be. he's not even worthy of being a goal line back let alone a bruiser to wear down defenses.

It's not my logic, it was the Giants game plan for a few years and during that time they won 2 Superbowls.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

That would be a much stronger point if the Giants hadn't featured Bradshaw and finished dead last in rushing in 2011. Oh yeah, and if Brandon Jacobs were five years younger.

 

[Khy]

OG, your logic is sound but you're wrong about jacobs. Jacobs' problem isn't his size. He thinks he's gonna break things outside, find gaps, and run like a smaller back. he's even said so when he was at the top if his game. He doesn't want to be a bruiser and he really does suck at it. that's why they got rid of him in the first place. his mentality, his skills, and his overall game just doesn't fit this even if his size says he should be this. this conversation was debunked about Jacobs about 4 years ago, no way he all of a sudden becomes this guy the Giants wanted him to be and gave him all of the opportunities to be. he's not even worthy of being a goal line back let alone a bruiser to wear down defenses.

It's not my logic, it was the Giants game plan for a few years and during that time they won 2 Superbowls.

No it's your logic. The Giants game plan was to use Jacobs to wear down defenses, not because he was big... simply because he was a worse RB than Bradshaw. You let Jacobs get none of the production and let the defense get tired a little bit... then late in the game put in Bradshaw's fresh legs and a defense that's lost half a step. It had absolutely nothing to do with size though. There is no possible way you could prove that a larger back is harder to bring down. If anything as Couer pointed out, physics would tell us that it's quite the opposite. A smaller faster back generates more energy and thus uses more energy to bring down than a bigger heavier back. This also almost never worked as planned as the two were almost never healthy at the same time.

 

[OG_GF]

I'm not saying it will work, I'm saying they are going to try it, again.

 

[craer]

lol

every single profesional and fantasy football analyst = the people i want to consider analysts

face it, that was an extreme exaggeration

Sporting news, Pro Football Weekly, NFL.com, Yahoo sports, yeah, I just found some obscure idiots that supported my side. I'm sorry, were you actually wanting me to show a 100% concensus of every single analyst in the country? Or was it the world? Maybe the universe? Because if that is what you wanted, then you are a moron.

I'd like YOU to go out and find the guys that said he wouldn't be great this season. I found a few when I dug these up. And I'd be willing to bet your sources are a LOT more obscure and fewer and farther between than mine.

So please, take the time to go find the analysts that had negative things to say about Wilson prior to the start of the season. I dare you. Hell, I'll jump to the triple dog dare! When you're done, then we'll compare your sources. If you don't do this, then you show your true measure.

Did i say only obscure sites say he is elite? Did i say anything about how many analysts thought he would suck this season?

nope

not at all

I responded to a ridiculous statement

what was said, was EVERY SINGLE PROFESIONAL NFL AND FANTASY ANALYST says he has elite talent

every single analyst, not most, not some, not a handful of respected, not every site, not the vast majority, EVERY SINGLE

that's a clear exaggeration

hell, i'll wager not every single professional NFL and fantasy analyst has gone on record about Wilson's talent being elite or not


it is the kind of crap that has made this thread an entertaining train wreck

Oh, I misenterpreted that entirely! Sorry

Well, this ended in surprising fashion. What a bummer, this argument was the only reason i kept refreshing this thread!

 

[TwinTurbo]

Sure every now and then some CB will try to hit Jacobs high and get bulldozed, but he tips over like a fat pile of Ron Dayne if anyone hits him low. Sweep the leg!

 

[Short Corner]

lol

every single profesional and fantasy football analyst = the people i want to consider analysts

face it, that was an extreme exaggeration

Sporting news, Pro Football Weekly, NFL.com, Yahoo sports, yeah, I just found some obscure idiots that supported my side. I'm sorry, were you actually wanting me to show a 100% concensus of every single analyst in the country? Or was it the world? Maybe the universe? Because if that is what you wanted, then you are a moron.

I'd like YOU to go out and find the guys that said he wouldn't be great this season. I found a few when I dug these up. And I'd be willing to bet your sources are a LOT more obscure and fewer and farther between than mine.

So please, take the time to go find the analysts that had negative things to say about Wilson prior to the start of the season. I dare you. Hell, I'll jump to the triple dog dare! When you're done, then we'll compare your sources. If you don't do this, then you show your true measure.

That's what happens when you make an absolute statement that you have no chance of backing up. Hyperbole does nothing for your argument.

 

[Ace Matherton]

Just traded McGahee, D Richardson and R Woods for Wilson, Kuhn and S Greene. None of those guys will sniff my starting lineup so I'll see if the potential ever hits.

 

[Concept Coop]

What does everyone put his HOF chances at? 50/50?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

OG, your logic is sound but you're wrong about jacobs. Jacobs' problem isn't his size. He thinks he's gonna break things outside, find gaps, and run like a smaller back. he's even said so when he was at the top if his game. He doesn't want to be a bruiser and he really does suck at it. that's why they got rid of him in the first place. his mentality, his skills, and his overall game just doesn't fit this even if his size says he should be this. this conversation was debunked about Jacobs about 4 years ago, no way he all of a sudden becomes this guy the Giants wanted him to be and gave him all of the opportunities to be. he's not even worthy of being a goal line back let alone a bruiser to wear down defenses.

It's not my logic, it was the Giants game plan for a few years and during that time they won 2 Superbowls.

No it's your logic. The Giants game plan was to use Jacobs to wear down defenses, not because he was big... simply because he was a worse RB than Bradshaw. You let Jacobs get none of the production and let the defense get tired a little bit... then late in the game put in Bradshaw's fresh legs and a defense that's lost half a step. It had absolutely nothing to do with size though. There is no possible way you could prove that a larger back is harder to bring down. If anything as Couer pointed out, physics would tell us that it's quite the opposite. A smaller faster back generates more energy and thus uses more energy to bring down than a bigger heavier back. This also almost never worked as planned as the two were almost never healthy at the same time.

of course, they didn't even use them like that, but I don't want to discourage the power of a youngster's imagination.

 

[Soulfly3]

What does everyone put his HOF chances at? 50/50?

Probably a shoe-in once this season ends.

 

[Khy]

What does everyone put his HOF chances at? 50/50?

I love how people saying someone has really high prospects means we're putting them in the HoF.

 

[T with T]

exactly gilbride is garbage and has no offensive mind or ability to be creative, get his best players involved. Run's a garbage system and doesn't put best players on the field or give them opportunity to be what they could be. TC is a good coach and has won superbowls but I think NYG just needs a fresh face with an inquisitive offensive coordinator. They would be an NFC powerhouse for years... Jon Gruden or cowher wouldn't be bad replacements.

Oh come on! I havent been all that crazy about Gilbride either but its hard to argue with his previous results

He hasnt done a good job adjusting the offense this year to help out the poor offensive line but the offense has been productive under himhead scratching at times but productive

2012 14th in yards and 6th in scoring

2011 8th in yards and 9th in scoring

2010 5th in yards and 7th in scoring

2009 8th in yards and 8th in scoring

2008 7th in yards and 3rd in scoring

Sure... but 1, you're forgetting 2007 where they were 2007: 16th in yards and 14th in scoring. 2 I feel like you also have to look at the team before he took over...

2006: 14th in yards and 11th in scoring

2005: 4th in yards and 3rd in scoring

2004: 23rd in yards and 22nd in scoring

I mean... looking at the difference from 2004 - 2006 it's clear this was a team on the rise. John Hufnagel was forced out of town during the 2006 season for the same reason Gilbride is being scrutinized now. Hufnagel took this team from bottom of the barrel offensively to Top 5 in 2005, then had a small drop off in 2006 and was pushed out of town. Gilbride has ALWAYS posted a good stat line with the Giants but one does have to wonder... was a lot of this due to the surrounding talent he had simply being that good?

Gilbride took over for an up and coming QB with one of the top offensive line units in the league. With good young receivers and also happened to have a few good young running backs at his disposal. And he also had the pleasure of a good defense to keep him in games.

I think this season we're starting to see the biggest degrade this team has seen in years. Easily since Coughlin's been around. In 2006, Coughlin saved his job by firing Hufnagel and moving Gilbride from QB coach to OC. That happened mid-season if memory serves me right. Hufnagel was pushed out of town by increasing pressure from fans and ownership about Hufnagel's questionable play calling and failure to commit to the ground game. Shockingly enough, that's literally the exact same thing that's happening now with Gilbride. If he doesn't turn this around soon, Gilbride will be out of town before the end of the season.

EDIT: The big thing right now and a few analysts have mentioned this... specifically Carl Banks was analyzing the past few weeks the other day and was saying what I felt I'd been seeing. The defense has more or less been playing lights out for 3 of the 4 quarters each of the last 4 weeks. They've actually played pretty good all in all and eventually just fell apart in the 4th quarter. Now you can say "Well you have to play all 60 minutes" but that doesn't apply so much here. We're watching an offense that's giving up almost 4 turnovers a game. A defense that is getting almost the same amount of turnovers for the offense then watching said offense go three and out and put no points on the board to help them out. By the time the 4th quarter hits these guys are not only exhausted from having to be on the field so much more than they should have to be, but demoralized because the offense isn't capitalizing on any of the opportunities the defense is giving them.

I'd say 90% of the teams issues right now are offensively and that all should fall back on Gilbride's terribly and unimaginable play calling and player usage to this point.

I figured the last 5 years was a good enough sample size to prove that Gilbride isnt garbage like T with T suggestedOf course talent has a lot to do with an offenses success and right now the Giants dont have enough talent on the offensive line.

I do agree that Gildbride needs to make some adjustments to help the offensive line out a bit

No, he isn't garbage. I do however think he's in the bottom half of offensive coordinators in the NFL. I've honestly been trying to ignore most of what T with T is saying. As even though he's on my side, I can't even understand half of what he's typing. I assume he's either very young or English isn't his first language. Also he's resorted to name calling on more than several occasions. Which I don't really approve of, even though a lot of us have had a semi heated back and forth on this thread. For the most part it was kept civil until he and evanescence or whatever that dudes name was came in here and started jawing off at people.

hey bro. I speak english as a first language.. Don't tell me Im calling people names then try to put me down fool... What do you mean you can't understand what im typing... It makes perfect sense... Giants coordinators are garbage and can't adjust and they need to get Dwilson the ####in ball. Wake up KHY with a name like that what are you chinese??? Im 31 by the way JACK> don't get me started.... Let's discuss wilson not how old you think I may be or what language I speak.

 

[duaneok66]

What does everyone put his HOF chances at? 50/50?

Probably a shoe-in once this season ends.

He's a shoe in right now.

 

[T with T]

OG, your logic is sound but you're wrong about jacobs. Jacobs' problem isn't his size. He thinks he's gonna break things outside, find gaps, and run like a smaller back. he's even said so when he was at the top if his game. He doesn't want to be a bruiser and he really does suck at it. that's why they got rid of him in the first place. his mentality, his skills, and his overall game just doesn't fit this even if his size says he should be this. this conversation was debunked about Jacobs about 4 years ago, no way he all of a sudden becomes this guy the Giants wanted him to be and gave him all of the opportunities to be. he's not even worthy of being a goal line back let alone a bruiser to wear down defenses.

Dwilson is actually a better short yardage back and gl back.... Not to mention just a better overall talent by far... It's funny how uneducated people come in here and think Jacobs is gonna vulture all of these tds because hes 250 lbs LOL and slow as molasses.... Wilson is low to ground, always leaning forward and explosive, yards after contact by a ton and totally a better nose for endzone... Jacobs should get 1-4 carries and wilson 20... . PERIOD end of story.

 

[Pots]

OG, your logic is sound but you're wrong about jacobs. Jacobs' problem isn't his size. He thinks he's gonna break things outside, find gaps, and run like a smaller back. he's even said so when he was at the top if his game. He doesn't want to be a bruiser and he really does suck at it. that's why they got rid of him in the first place. his mentality, his skills, and his overall game just doesn't fit this even if his size says he should be this. this conversation was debunked about Jacobs about 4 years ago, no way he all of a sudden becomes this guy the Giants wanted him to be and gave him all of the opportunities to be. he's not even worthy of being a goal line back let alone a bruiser to wear down defenses.

Dwilson is actually a better short yardage back and gl back.... Not to mention just a better overall talent by far... It's funny how uneducated people come in here and think Jacobs is gonna vulture all of these tds because hes 250 lbs LOL and slow as molasses.... Wilson is low to ground, always leaning forward and explosive, yards after contact by a ton and totally a better nose for endzone... Jacobs should get 1-4 carries and wilson 20... . PERIOD end of story.

You forgot to mention Wilson's Elite.

 

[monk]

exactly gilbride is garbage and has no offensive mind or ability to be creative, get his best players involved. Run's a garbage system and doesn't put best players on the field or give them opportunity to be what they could be. TC is a good coach and has won superbowls but I think NYG just needs a fresh face with an inquisitive offensive coordinator. They would be an NFC powerhouse for years... Jon Gruden or cowher wouldn't be bad replacements.

Oh come on! I havent been all that crazy about Gilbride either but its hard to argue with his previous results

He hasnt done a good job adjusting the offense this year to help out the poor offensive line but the offense has been productive under himhead scratching at times but productive

2012 14th in yards and 6th in scoring

2011 8th in yards and 9th in scoring

2010 5th in yards and 7th in scoring

2009 8th in yards and 8th in scoring

2008 7th in yards and 3rd in scoring

Sure... but 1, you're forgetting 2007 where they were 2007: 16th in yards and 14th in scoring. 2 I feel like you also have to look at the team before he took over...

2006: 14th in yards and 11th in scoring

2005: 4th in yards and 3rd in scoring

2004: 23rd in yards and 22nd in scoring

I mean... looking at the difference from 2004 - 2006 it's clear this was a team on the rise. John Hufnagel was forced out of town during the 2006 season for the same reason Gilbride is being scrutinized now. Hufnagel took this team from bottom of the barrel offensively to Top 5 in 2005, then had a small drop off in 2006 and was pushed out of town. Gilbride has ALWAYS posted a good stat line with the Giants but one does have to wonder... was a lot of this due to the surrounding talent he had simply being that good?

Gilbride took over for an up and coming QB with one of the top offensive line units in the league. With good young receivers and also happened to have a few good young running backs at his disposal. And he also had the pleasure of a good defense to keep him in games.

I think this season we're starting to see the biggest degrade this team has seen in years. Easily since Coughlin's been around. In 2006, Coughlin saved his job by firing Hufnagel and moving Gilbride from QB coach to OC. That happened mid-season if memory serves me right. Hufnagel was pushed out of town by increasing pressure from fans and ownership about Hufnagel's questionable play calling and failure to commit to the ground game. Shockingly enough, that's literally the exact same thing that's happening now with Gilbride. If he doesn't turn this around soon, Gilbride will be out of town before the end of the season.

EDIT: The big thing right now and a few analysts have mentioned this... specifically Carl Banks was analyzing the past few weeks the other day and was saying what I felt I'd been seeing. The defense has more or less been playing lights out for 3 of the 4 quarters each of the last 4 weeks. They've actually played pretty good all in all and eventually just fell apart in the 4th quarter. Now you can say "Well you have to play all 60 minutes" but that doesn't apply so much here. We're watching an offense that's giving up almost 4 turnovers a game. A defense that is getting almost the same amount of turnovers for the offense then watching said offense go three and out and put no points on the board to help them out. By the time the 4th quarter hits these guys are not only exhausted from having to be on the field so much more than they should have to be, but demoralized because the offense isn't capitalizing on any of the opportunities the defense is giving them.

I'd say 90% of the teams issues right now are offensively and that all should fall back on Gilbride's terribly and unimaginable play calling and player usage to this point.

I figured the last 5 years was a good enough sample size to prove that Gilbride isnt garbage like T with T suggestedOf course talent has a lot to do with an offenses success and right now the Giants dont have enough talent on the offensive line.

I do agree that Gildbride needs to make some adjustments to help the offensive line out a bit

No, he isn't garbage. I do however think he's in the bottom half of offensive coordinators in the NFL. I've honestly been trying to ignore most of what T with T is saying. As even though he's on my side, I can't even understand half of what he's typing. I assume he's either very young or English isn't his first language. Also he's resorted to name calling on more than several occasions. Which I don't really approve of, even though a lot of us have had a semi heated back and forth on this thread. For the most part it was kept civil until he and evanescence or whatever that dudes name was came in here and started jawing off at people.

hey bro. I speak english as a first language.. Don't tell me Im calling people names then try to put me down fool... What do you mean you can't understand what im typing... It makes perfect sense... Giants coordinators are garbage and can't adjust and they need to get Dwilson the ####in ball. Wake up KHY with a name like that what are you chinese??? Im 31 by the way JACK> don't get me started.... Let's discuss wilson not how old you think I may be or what language I speak

Wow!!!!!!! What a jackazz Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just traded McGahee, D Richardson and R Woods for Wilson, Kuhn and S Greene. None of those guys will sniff my starting lineup so I'll see if the potential ever hits.

Woods for Wilson seems like a pretty good deal....

 

[T with T]

not really bud.. wilson > woods.

 

[Concept Coop]

not really bud.. wilson > woods.

Wilson = Peterson = Barry > Woods

 

[Coeur de Lion]

not really bud.. wilson > woods.

Wilson = Peterson = Barry > Woods

You forgot poop and CHOO mfing CHOO.

 

[Concept Coop]

not really bud.. wilson > woods.

Wilson = Peterson = Barry > Woods

You forgot poop and CHOO mfing CHOO.

Elite.

 

[Khy]

exactly gilbride is garbage and has no offensive mind or ability to be creative, get his best players involved. Run's a garbage system and doesn't put best players on the field or give them opportunity to be what they could be. TC is a good coach and has won superbowls but I think NYG just needs a fresh face with an inquisitive offensive coordinator. They would be an NFC powerhouse for years... Jon Gruden or cowher wouldn't be bad replacements.

Oh come on! I havent been all that crazy about Gilbride either but its hard to argue with his previous results

He hasnt done a good job adjusting the offense this year to help out the poor offensive line but the offense has been productive under himhead scratching at times but productive

2012 14th in yards and 6th in scoring

2011 8th in yards and 9th in scoring

2010 5th in yards and 7th in scoring

2009 8th in yards and 8th in scoring

2008 7th in yards and 3rd in scoring

Sure... but 1, you're forgetting 2007 where they were 2007: 16th in yards and 14th in scoring. 2 I feel like you also have to look at the team before he took over...

2006: 14th in yards and 11th in scoring

2005: 4th in yards and 3rd in scoring

2004: 23rd in yards and 22nd in scoring

I mean... looking at the difference from 2004 - 2006 it's clear this was a team on the rise. John Hufnagel was forced out of town during the 2006 season for the same reason Gilbride is being scrutinized now. Hufnagel took this team from bottom of the barrel offensively to Top 5 in 2005, then had a small drop off in 2006 and was pushed out of town. Gilbride has ALWAYS posted a good stat line with the Giants but one does have to wonder... was a lot of this due to the surrounding talent he had simply being that good?

Gilbride took over for an up and coming QB with one of the top offensive line units in the league. With good young receivers and also happened to have a few good young running backs at his disposal. And he also had the pleasure of a good defense to keep him in games.

I think this season we're starting to see the biggest degrade this team has seen in years. Easily since Coughlin's been around. In 2006, Coughlin saved his job by firing Hufnagel and moving Gilbride from QB coach to OC. That happened mid-season if memory serves me right. Hufnagel was pushed out of town by increasing pressure from fans and ownership about Hufnagel's questionable play calling and failure to commit to the ground game. Shockingly enough, that's literally the exact same thing that's happening now with Gilbride. If he doesn't turn this around soon, Gilbride will be out of town before the end of the season.

EDIT: The big thing right now and a few analysts have mentioned this... specifically Carl Banks was analyzing the past few weeks the other day and was saying what I felt I'd been seeing. The defense has more or less been playing lights out for 3 of the 4 quarters each of the last 4 weeks. They've actually played pretty good all in all and eventually just fell apart in the 4th quarter. Now you can say "Well you have to play all 60 minutes" but that doesn't apply so much here. We're watching an offense that's giving up almost 4 turnovers a game. A defense that is getting almost the same amount of turnovers for the offense then watching said offense go three and out and put no points on the board to help them out. By the time the 4th quarter hits these guys are not only exhausted from having to be on the field so much more than they should have to be, but demoralized because the offense isn't capitalizing on any of the opportunities the defense is giving them.

I'd say 90% of the teams issues right now are offensively and that all should fall back on Gilbride's terribly and unimaginable play calling and player usage to this point.

I figured the last 5 years was a good enough sample size to prove that Gilbride isnt garbage like T with T suggestedOf course talent has a lot to do with an offenses success and right now the Giants dont have enough talent on the offensive line.

I do agree that Gildbride needs to make some adjustments to help the offensive line out a bit

No, he isn't garbage. I do however think he's in the bottom half of offensive coordinators in the NFL. I've honestly been trying to ignore most of what T with T is saying. As even though he's on my side, I can't even understand half of what he's typing. I assume he's either very young or English isn't his first language. Also he's resorted to name calling on more than several occasions. Which I don't really approve of, even though a lot of us have had a semi heated back and forth on this thread. For the most part it was kept civil until he and evanescence or whatever that dudes name was came in here and started jawing off at people.

hey bro. I speak english as a first language.. Don't tell me Im calling people names then try to put me down fool... What do you mean you can't understand what im typing... It makes perfect sense... Giants coordinators are garbage and can't adjust and they need to get Dwilson the ####in ball. Wake up KHY with a name like that what are you chinese??? Im 31 by the way JACK> don't get me started.... Let's discuss wilson not how old you think I may be or what language I speak

Wow!!!!!!! What a jackazz Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You tell me not to tell you that you're calling people names then in your very next post you state how everyone's "uneducated" and several times in this thread you've called people idiots and tards. Then you called me a fool. And no, a good majority of what you type is very hard to understand as most of it is filtered with #####. Please tell me you think my name in real life is Khy... cause that would be rather fantastic. It's an internet handle... what does T with T mean?

Back on the subject, we'll all have a much better idea of what Wilson can possibly be after this week. I don't see how he makes it through this game without 20 touches short of another 2 fumble performance.

 

[LususV]

not really bud.. wilson > woods.

Wilson = Peterson = Barry > Woods

You forgot poop and CHOO mfing CHOO.

Elite.

I'm guessing your content per post approaches zero?

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm guessing your content per post approaches zero?

Par for the thread - yes. Unless cries for Coughlin to be fired and comparisons to Barry Sanders and Adrian Peterson qualify as content.

 

[Banger]

Just traded McGahee, D Richardson and R Woods for Wilson, Kuhn and S Greene. None of those guys will sniff my starting lineup so I'll see if the potential ever hits.

nice deal...spare parts for potential upside.

 

[Khy]

Just traded McGahee, D Richardson and R Woods for Wilson, Kuhn and S Greene. None of those guys will sniff my starting lineup so I'll see if the potential ever hits.

nice deal...spare parts for potential upside.

I mean kind of... honestly I feel like McGahee and Richardson are washes as are Kuhn and Greene. This trade might as well just say Robert Woods for David Wilson. I'm 'assuming' this is dynasty though as I don't know why anyone in redraft would have Kuhn and Shonn Greene rostered. In dynasty it's a really really interesting trade, as Robert Woods has looked nothing short of amazing through 5 weeks this season. Kids getting open with ease and is catching everything thrown his way.